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Comrade 01/27/2020 (Mon) 13:36:56 No. 221
What Internet browser does /tech/ use? personally, I just use firefox
Firefox and chrome. I'm a filthy tabwhore so I need several browsers.
Pale Moon Mozilla is complete cancer now but Webkit is even worse.
I use firefox but I harden that shit way way beyond vanilla settings. >No cookies >No trackers >No telemetry >Spoof tor headers >Spoof all headers >etc etc etc https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/2018/09/firefox-hardening-guide/ I also use privoxy for all my traffic. If you don't know what privoxy is look it up and if you aren't using linux you are doing it wrong.
Pale Moon, complete with a suite of old firefox extensions I try to keep jury rigging into working. All-in-all it runs faster than chrome (what I used to use) while also giving me a lot more control over how I want it to look. Decent amount of labor went into making it work for me though.
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>>221 Same. Firefox works fine for me.
>>227 >>226 >>225 What do you guys think of icecat? Worth the switch from firefox?
>>228 I use IceCat as my daily browser on GNU + linux and it works quite well except for a few extensions (but µMatrix and µBlock work fine so I don't care that much) and videos on twitter have a really distorted sound. Would recommend if privacy really matters to you if not just keep using Firefox. It's like a ready to use hardened Firefox (see >>224).
Why Chrome, of course. The most trusted browser in the world made by the most trusted infotech giant in the world!
>>230 I audibly kek'd.
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Pale Moon with good communist night mode
>>229 Would you say it's more secure than a hardened Firefox like >>224? I wish I could just use the tor browser as my default but I can't get privozy working with it right.
>>233 I'm not an expert but I think they're pretty much equivalent. At the end of the day, it's a question of trust, would you rather put your trust on Mozilla (Firefox) or The Free Software Foundation (IceCat)? The other thing to consider is that IceCat is based on the ESR version of Firefox so if you want a more up to date Browser with the latest features you might want to stick with a "hardened" Firefox.
>>222 >Chrome ew
>>235 Brrtty sure he was joking comrade.
Tor Browser -> Icecat -> Firefox -> ... -> ... -> ... -> Pale Moon I.E. and the *oogle browser obviously shouldn't be installed software to anyone with a tinge of reason.
>>233 You shouldn't add change settings in Tor Browser except for the adjustment of the Security Levels, as part of Tor Browser's purpose is it's locked down design, in order to maximize your anonymity (unique browser = you fucking up). If you have installed additional addons to your TB I would suggest you re-install the browser anew. Do what you did with TB previously in another, non-anonymous browser, like Icecat or a hardened FF (going through your always-on VPN, ofc). Tor network for out-of-the-box Tor Browser, unless you really know what you're doing / is studying compsci / comp engineering / read the manual (you clearly didn't this time). https://tb-manual.torproject.org/plugins/ >[T]he only add-ons that have been tested for use with Tor Browser are those included by default. Installing any other browser add-ons may break functionality in Tor Browser or cause more serious problems that affect your privacy and security. It is strongly discouraged to install additional add-ons, and the Tor Project will not offer support for these configurations.
My recommendation would be Firefox if you want something that just werkz out of the box. IceCat if you don't like Mozilla telemetry, but it generally doesn't get new features very often. Pale Moon if you want to customize the fuck out of everything, but most extensions are old and you will likely have to find/create your own alternatives. I try to avoid Chrome, but Iridium Browser or UnGoogled Chromium are passable. You don't have to use all of these extensions, but here are some I use on Firefox: >uBlock Origin Gets rid of 99% of porky ads on the net. Highly dependent on filter lists, but the defaults work well. >ClearURLs Not really needed if you don't care about tracking, but it basically removes all the referral codes and other junk from hyperlinks. >Multi Account Containers If you use containers in Firefox, this adds a toolbar button for easily managing containers and lets you always open sites in a specific container you choose. I like to have a "SFW" and "NSFW" container for sites I login with and temporary containers for the rest, this will vary on the amount of identities you want to use/keep separate. >Cookie Auto Delete Lets you whitelist sites to keep cookies and delete the rest (for persistent logins). Configure the settings to enable auto-clean and containers support, if you use that. Localstorage removal for containers is already covered by Temp. Containers (below), so you don't need to enable that here, unless you don't use containers. IF YOU USE THIS DON'T CLEAR COOKIES ON BROWSER EXIT, let the extension do it for you. >uMatrix (for advanced users) Good for blocking third party javascript bloat slowing down your browser. Unfortunately you have to manually allow sites that break, which takes time as you browse (there is an import/export function, though). Disable the extension when you are doing work/school so it doesn't error out important transactions or page loads. >Temporary Containers (for advanced users) Kind of like incognito mode but per-tab. Just like regular containers, the cookies saved in these don't touch other containers. In addition to that, the temp containers (and all the site storage) automatically delete after you are done with them. You can choose when/how to purge the temp containers, per-domain isolation, and if every new tab should automatically become a temporary one by default. Also check out ghacks user.js if you want some Firefox config hardening, like the anti-fingerprinting settings TOR browser uses. Keep in mind the more privacy extensions and prefs you add, the more sites will break and you will get a LOT of Google captchas and Cloudflare challenges. Finally, nothing you do on the internet is private, so don't do retarded glowy shit thinking you are some leet hacker god.
>>237 I know right? It's like, why would you chose the fork with added proprietary shit? Never got why people chose the dusty-ass looking Pale Moon.
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>>238 Changing the proxy settings have nothing to do with the actual browser settings themselves. The only reason people use privoxy through the tor browser is so they can use other hidden services like i2p and zeronet in a secure browser, as well. But changing the proxy settings through privoxy don't actually change the internet settings of the browser itself.
>>241 Didn't Whonix recently develop an actual browser (finally) to I2P?
>>242 Having to literally boot up a whole different operating system in order to securely use one hidden service is way, way, inconvenient. I understand the whole Convenience =/= Privacy dichotomy, but, come on. I should be able to use tor and i2p and Freenet/zeronet with out switching to dedicated browsers/operating systems.
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>>243 >Having to literally boot up a whole different operating system That's not what I meant to imply, sorry for the confusion. I meant to convey that I was pretty sure Whonix were helping with developing a solid I2P Browser. >I should be able to use [two different darknets] with out switching to dedicated browsers[...]. I totally disagree. <[researching, catching up on last 6 months of I2P's development] I'm pleasantly surprised! They seem to have made major design improvements, the project no longer gives the impression of 2003 malware, which is great. On a more serious note they seem to have (with the help of Whonix developers) integrated what was previously the "I2P Router" with the new I2P Browser https://geti2p.net/en/browser/releasenotes#r20b5 >2.0 Beta 5 (Sep 12 2019) >The browser now ships with the router on Linux >The browser now ships with the router on Windows >The browser now ships with the router on Mac OS X This is what I was referring to. For anyone interested in what the fuck it is we're arguing about, here's an intro page: https://geti2p.net/en/browser/intro But to reiterate something I think is important that you understand (and don't confuse others with) see, just quickly skimming their website I encounter passages like this: https://geti2p.net/en/browser/roadmap >Besides enabling I2P features, there is also the on-going work of backporting and enabling enhancements from TBB, which sometimes require alteration to work with I2P. This highlights that shit like this actually requires a team of programmers dediced to bugfix browsers with access to unique darknets - I'm just trying to advocate responsibility in this public forum of people I care about when we're talking security, privacy, anonymity and filesharing networks where people break the law and shit. I don't want people to get half-assed advice when there are robust projects already active, which is also easier to use btw. So there are multiple reasons actually. No hard feelings, comrade.
>>240 Because the add-ons actually fucking work on Pale Moon. I'll switch to Icecat as soon as they reject all the fucking bullshit Mozilla added over the years to kill the very extensions that made their browser unique and appealing in the first place.
>>244 I wasn't trying to be rude, anon. I hope I Didn't come off that way; >I totally disagree. I do want to go off on a tangent about this, though: Why do you disagree with this? If I can use the tor browser for all of my privacy needs why should I have to use a different browser for i2p? Isn't that just more development to keep up with and more load on the user all together? It seems unnecessary. > the project no longer gives the impression of 2003 malware Audible kek.
>>221 Firefox with duckduckgo
I've been using Tor Browser for literally everything for years now, don't have any other browser on my system. But my Internet surfing is very modest and adapted to that, can't remember the last time I logged into a user account for example. Not gonna lie, sometimes it can be frustrating when Tor is blocked or you end up with a slow circuit, but at this point connecting over clearnet feels like going naked outside of my house.
Dissenter
>>331 The fuck is dissenter? >>248 The only thing that prevents me from doing something like this is the fact that tor, for some reason, won't "work properly" with privoxy. Limiting my ability to only using onions. Like, what gives? I know they are "trying to protect normies" but if you are even using a Linux machine you are well above the average computer user.
>>332 >The fuck is dissenter? Fork of Brave from the Gab people https://dissenter.com/ pretty lame
>>229 thank you for acknowledging the contributions of the GNU project in development of GNU/Linux
desktop - Firefox with extensions and cherrypicked user.js changes from https://github.com/ghacksuserjs/ghacks-user.js/ paranoia - tor browser on tails mobile - Vanadium (hardened Chromium from GrapheneOS https://grapheneos.org )
The internet will never forget how Mozilla breathed new life into it and then allowed Google to destroy them. It will be a tragedy told for generations to come, like Homer's epics. You were the chosen one, Mozilla! You were supposed to destroy the enemies of the internet, not join with them! Bring balance to browser standards, not leave them in darkness!
>>233 It just sucks so many things require accounts. For some reason I foresee companies no longer allowing guest checkout, for example. I want to use Tor for everything, but Chrome is what works best with school for example. I HAVE to have a school email and HAVE to register online bullshit
>>221 The web browser I use to fun post is actually abp mobile app. While for the desktop is a broswer called Brave. Blocks all those trackers and ads and built off the chromium source code.
>>247 Same + ublock, umatrix, privacy badger, and https everywhere.
Firefox. It's honestly the best browser a person can use right now. Yeah Mozilla's a bit on the crazy side of things, but at least their business doesn't function on enslavement of human beings. Chrome users are little eichmanns and should be banned.
Firefox just works. plus I enjoy using a browser that triggers alt-rights because of muh SJW Code of Conduct etc
surf.suckless.org because I'm an anal-retentive piece of human garbage and it works surprisingly well, considering.
>>770 Emacs is honestly the best one if you can getting it actually functioning like a proper browser
>>221 Tor browser bruh.
>>831 Or rather, Tor for imageboards and most things and Firefox for places that don't play nice with Tor.
>>832 Gonna be honest. I just avoid places that don't play nice with tor. If I have to use youtube I do it from invidios. Otherwise, I just use mutt to pull my emails and run youtube through vlc and that's how I check my subs and I am even pulling away from that.
Any lightweight browsers?
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>>845 EMACS
>>845 >Without JS Lynx, Links2, elinks, w3m, netrik, uzbl, vimb >Without JS but with GUI Dillo >With primitive JS Netsurf, Midori (Both useless since you don't have many options at blocking ads and tracking scripts that cause the slowdown) >With good JS support Seamonkey/Iceape, Palemoon.
>>851 I find that blocking adds with normie addblockers causes more slowdown in itself than the browser itself.
>>854 For me at least uBlock Origin and uMatrix are a must. In the past maybe it was this way, but right now getting blasted with ads and JS payloads from 10 domains at the same time kills performance regardless. It's a lose-lose situation.
>>221 I used microsoft edge because I don't enjoy chrome but like chromium extensions. But feel guilty because I should probably supporting firefox since they are smaller than google and microsoft. ALSO FOR FUCKS SAKE PLEASE DON'T ABANDON EDGE, MS!
>>1170 Have you been diagnosed as retarded? Edge is terrible.
>>1186 idk man i like the new chromium version, it's chrome but less ugly. do you have suggestion for another chromium based browser then? which has a great mobile version too??
>>1207 Opera has a great mobile version. I would just suggest that you use firefox since it's quite similar to chromium
>>1208 i am using firefox desktop and mobile currently but i miss some chromium specific extensions so i am hoping to switch later to edge, i have been forcing myself to use firefox out of guilt for 4 months.
Searching for a minimalist security based browser for linux, do you guys recommend any?
>>1216 How minimalist though? Lynx is pretty minimal, and has no javascript support. There's also w3m, which is basically lynx but with image rendering. Don't bother with "minimal" browsers with javascript support, because they have no extensions, it's better to just install tor browser/firefox with security patches if you want javascript support.
I just started using Next Browser. It has Emacs and Vim keybindings.
>>1223 what are emacs and vim keybindings
>>1230 C-b C-n C-p C-f hjkl
>>1231 what curse did you just put on me? ANSWER ME???
>>1250 The first line is an example of emacs keybindings. It's written in emacs keybinding notation, where uppercase C stands for "Ctrl". The second line is an example of vim keybindings. Basically in vim what is done with a single letter keybinding is a key combination in emacs.
Tor browser Firefox for anywhere where I log in with just uBlock
>>1270 Firefox is based off tor browser and can be hardened nearly just as much as it. Unless you are doing some Timothy McVeigh shit then that should be good enough.
>>1271 >firefox is based off tor browser
>>1284 Lol, I ment for is based off Firefox, obviously.
>>1257 You won another lifetime, wizard.
>>1250 It's left, down, up, right. You can remember it as (b)ack, (n)ext, (p)revious, (f)orward for emacs, and (h)ack, (j)ext, (k)revious, (l)orward for vim.
>>223 >>225 >>232 Don't use furry-ware. And they don't even have close to the resources that are necessary to maintain secure browser.
>>1307 why would you need a mnemonic to remember four contiguous keys on the home row
>>1309 Because I use DVORAK, the way god intended?
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>>221 Firefox on my home, and portable Palemoon from an USB I carry around when I have to use another computer. You might think that carrying around a USB with a bunch of lightweight basic software is pointless and a bit autism-tier, but believe me, you would be amazed how much time and frustration you'll save on the long term by having a portable non-fucked web browser, pdf reader, plain text editor, Rufus and a Ubuntu ISO around when you have to deal with PCs from libraries, public places or normies.
Is there a Firefox alternative that doesn't eat up half my ram just to have 2 tabs minimised?
>>1472 go to about:memory and click GC
So after finally losing my tabs after an accident happened to one of my family members while browsing, I've decided to finally install Firefox on this fucking toaster. So sick of having to share a browser with my entire family. I've only ever used the original Firefox, but I was thinking of downloading an alternative like Icecat or Pale Moon for extra privacy (not that I'm super autistic about that) and not having to adjust privacy Firefox settings myself. Should I still use Firefox though? Is it worse now?
>>3547 Firefox is complete trash for serious internet browsing now because they've killed all the add-ons that ever made it good. Install Palemoon (or one of its derivatives with XUL support) and grab Session Manager and Tree Style Tab.
Firefox, Chrome, Opera, Tor; in that order.
Alright guys this may be super retarded but hear me out. I like the way tor browser looks and acts, but sometimes need to log into unsecure shit, run js, and make it full screen. Is there like an un-tor'd tor browser or something? Basically firefox as close to tor browser as possible, but without the tor shit as I feel that would make me stick out online.
>>232 the contrast is way too steep. use grayer blacks and darker reds
>>3556 You can grab the underlying tor tech from the website and just configure your PC to route all traffic through that. Just be aware that you will be fingerprinted on the non tor browser. You can also just change your security level in Tor browser to allow JS and unsecure sites and I think you can disable the letterboxed screen (at the cost of being less anonymous).
>>3558 I want the actual tor browser for when I want to be super anonymous, and some stripped back tor for regular browsing. I guess I may be able to just duplicate the tor application and rename it to something else and do what you say with the letterboxing and stuff... But this modification in combination with tor would make me stand out a lot, and also it's just a lot slower than a normal browser as well.
>>3558 I think I found the answer, tor is actually based on Mozilla's Extended Support Release (ESR) Firefox branch, which seems a lot more like what I'm looking for. Here's a link to download it >https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/all/#product-desktop-esr So I should be able to modify that as required, thanks!
>>3563 TOR only provides anonymity if you are uniform with other clients. Regular browsing with TOR will just get you fingerprinted and the first slip up will get you identified.
>>3556 You can easily untor Tor Browser itself: run it with TOR_SKIP_LAUNCH=1 TOR_TRANSPROXY=1 env vars. This is enough but I also recommend modifying certain prefs (via about:config or user.js): // Disable circuit display user_pref("extensions.torbutton.display_circuit", false); // Disable Tor test (check.torproject.org) user_pref("extensions.torbutton.test_url", ""); user_pref("extensions.torbutton.test_enabled", false);
>>1223 >Emacs and Vim keybindings Based, will download right away
>>3595 It is now called Nyxt, no doubt named after n1x of /dead/ fame: https://nyxt.atlas.engineer/ Not only it has emacs keybindings, it is extensible in Common Lisp. It tries to be the "emacs of browsers".
>>221 I need a good less botnet browser for my smartphone and desktop that can have extensions and sync across
>>221 Vivaldi good?
>>521 RIP Mozilla
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>>521 >NOOOOOOO!! YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE, MOZILLA! YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO DESTROY THE ENEMIES OF THE INTERNET, NOT JOIN WITH THEM! BRING BALANCE TO BROWSER STANDARDS, NOT LEAVE THEM IN DARKNESS!
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Did you ever hear the tragedy of Mozilla the Wise? I thought not. It's not a story Google would tell you. It's a hacker legend, you see. Mozilla was a Dark Lord of the Internet, so powerful and so wise he could use his browser to influence web standards... He had such a knowledge of webdev that he could even keep floundering file formats from dying. The dark side of webdev is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural. He became so powerful... the only thing he was afraid of was losing his power, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his apprentice everything he knew, then his apprentice killed him in his sleep. It's ironic... he could save others from death, but not himself.
>>4022 >Vivaldi Hell no, it's proprietary

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