As explained in >>4300
, therapy should attempt to find the cause of "gender dysphoria", and deal with that, helping people to accept themselves. It's really just that, again, why is that so hard to believe?
> In this present day however, ignoring race would be a huge failure.
Totally agree, but race and gender are treated differently, as they are different concepts too ("race", liberally speaking, and sex are biological, gender is a social cateogry) Trans-race conversations are another example. Blackface is (rightfully) recognized as harmful, while drag is woke. I want the attitude towards gender to be the same as towards race, and until now, the only people I have found with that position are radical feminists.
> So please elaborate, what do they want you to do?
They propagate a false understanding of gender, as mentioned before, which is my main issue. My personal discomfort is irrelevant.
> In a similar way I want you to answer how you wish to solve the transgender-question.
There's no question, I reject the question. I reject their categories and their framework as unsound, and don't trust reasoning within said framework.
> It isn't just being 'scared' of them (what a vague term...),
Ok, in my case it's just disgust, but as I said, this is irrelevant. I separate this personal disgust/fear/whatever from my analysis. An argument is an argument, regardless of who presents it, your inclinations just make it harder or easier to accept the logical consequence.
> Why would they fake gender dysphoria?
You dismissing the danger to women shown by the current trans narrative doesn't make it less real. Following is currently taken to be true:
1. A woman is someone who belies she is a woman
2. Sex doesn't influence gender
3. A person who claims they are trans, are trans, no matter what anyone else says
You famously don't need an analysis, don't need therapy, don't need anything beyond point 1. to be accepted by your trans sisters. No 7 years of waiting, no chaining anything about yourself. And then this happens:
Medical procedures are one thing, but that just protects honest individuals. The system pushed for by activists wants to liberalize the way to "womanhood" so that, intentionally or accidentally, malicious actors can abuse it.
> get outside your propaganda bubble
I formulated my stances by being in the presence of trans people. I saw their arguments, their believes, their complaints and wishes. I saw their bubble, their nonchalance when threatening people they disliked (https://terfisaslur.com/)
the way they dominate LGBT discussions, the personalities they attract. Reality is the best propaganda.
> Still you moralize about "body mutilation", which isn't actually bad.
I apologize for that, this discussion is just at times somewhat infuriating, when I have to repeat myself again and again, and defend my position against formulaic attacks that have nothing to do what I'm saying.
Part of the problem, generally speaking, is that large parts of the media are pressured to be one-sided. That's why there is a disproportional over-coverage of trans-critical topics on conservatives sites, than on liberal ones (that's disregarding fringe media). In my time with the "TERF"s, I noticed that this annoyed them too, and they had to fight of naive conservatives that believed they were on the same side. Inadvertently, the conservative languages rubs off on people, even if I don't want it to be the case, so I thank you for calling me out on that. I know if I want to free the left from this dogma, I cannot to it with the wrong terms.
> Yes it is, it is the most effective thing we have FOR THE PEOPLE THAT DESIRE IT.
You wanting something, is no argument in itself. They are in fragile positions, close to mental breakdowns and suicide, and this is channeled through the language of "gender dysphoria". It would be naive to take their words literally.
> Could it be that trans people 'scare' people like yourself?
Again, personally I think it is a mistake, and when I see sites like https://turn-me-into-a-girl.com/
or horrible subreddits like /r/egg_irl, 40 year old men "suddenly" realizing they are "girls" (not women), leaving their families, I find it hard to sympathies with the movement. But again, my views are irrelevant.
> but you have avoided the key question repeatedly of how we should treat trans people
I very kindly ask you to please accept my answer, the same answer I have given you multiple times over. I don't know if this is a game, where you selectively ignore things I say, or if I am unable to express myself, but please just take my word. This is an anonymous image board, I don't have a reason to lie.