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Centralization of the Internet; what to do about it and would decentralization come back in a socialist economy? Comrade 04/20/2020 (Mon) 21:22:16 No. 1287
Hey all, It is sort of eerie, back in the Web 1.0 days, (I know showing my age here) there were so many websites all created by ordinary people all expressing themselves. Now big corporations have barged in and so many people are now using these centralized websites and services without even knowing of any alternatives. Would such a decentralization and expression come back to the internet in a socialist world or would it be used for something different?
>>1287 >Would such a decentralization and expression come back to the internet in a socialist world or would it be used for something different? Outside of government/state/defense/scientific network/Internet use it would be similar to how it was in the beginning: hobbyists running servers and websites. The profit motive and market that enables advertising is the reason for most of the websites existing, it's all SEOs, paywalls and ads, once that is gone, the shit parts of the Internet will be too.
Depends on material conditions. You should be expecting federation / decentralization in an industrialized country. Right-wing Communist governments like those of PRC, DPRK, Vietnam and Cuba centralize with the argument that they're still developing and need to wade off inefficiencies to capital accumulation or whatever.
>>1289 >Right-wing Communist governments like those of PRC, Vietnam and Cuba, as well as centrist Communist one of DPRK* Forgot, my bad.
>>1288 How do we even deal with the issue of moderation, though? I think moderation would not even be remotely necessary if we didn't have fucking pedophiles to deal with.
The world wide web itself might need to be discarded in order to achieve that.
>>1296 The communist meshnet!
>>1297 This thread is now for discussion about meshnets.
>>1301 Ok, so what would be a good way to establish a meshnet? Could it work as sort of a municipal/community run network as a alternative to an ISP?
How about a distributed IPFS-based web alternative?
i'm more anti-ISP than anti-big tech. internet access should be free like water, i advocate a blockchain-based wireless mesh network to replace ISPs kind of like how bitcoin replaces paypal
>>1311 So...zeronet right?
>>1312 I've heard zeronet and ipfs are very sloppily built projects. This is just a guess, but I believe I2P is a better built network than both, technically.
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>>1301 This shit's cool IMO. I read one of the features was it has a "bridge" mode that lets you communicate over gnunet without requiring any of your current applications to be rewritten for it.
>>1305 There is a meshnet in my town and it's pretty cool, they use wireless equipment for connecting to each other. I haven't researched how much the equipment would cost but i'd guess that its somewhere in the hundreds for just a short link, but the subscription is dirt cheap and the speeds are very fast. Internet access isn't guaranteed though, there are some people within the network that share their internet connection. Meshnets should be way more popular and widespread than they currently are.
>>1362 I was always curious about this but I could never figure out how to get it set up or understand exactly how it works.
>>1288 >it's all SEOs, paywalls and ads, once that is gone, the shit parts of the Internet will be too. Link extremely related: https://idlewords.com/talks/what_happens_next_will_amaze_you.htm If the surveillance/advertising/datamining/botnet bubble pops, the entire corporate web and its SNSs could die overnight. >>1296 Quick reminder WWW was just supposed to be HTML+CSS via HTTP, for creating/editing/distributing hypertext documents, with GUI editing integrated into all clients using a standard open library, raw markup and URLs never supposed to be seen nor touched by humans. Both the 1-way consoomer "Web 1.0" and the monstrous JS hodgepodge of "Web 2.0" are perverse accidents of history. Note there was an attempt by the web's original authors to fight all this, and right the course of the web with semantic metadata: https://www.w3.org/2009/Talks/01-15-steven-website/ But it was scuppered by Google/Apple in the fight between W3C vs. WHATWG, resulting in the death of XHTML in favor of HTML5.


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