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/dprk/ -- DPR Korea General Comrade 08/05/2019 (Mon) 14:04:23 No. 9051
Thread for news and discussions of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, its material conditions, the status and health of its socialist tradition, disproving common myths about it, etc.
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>>559431 from my limited knowledge, the DPRK is still a planned economy (cockshott, for example, considered it a socialist country in one of his youtube comments). the overwhelming majority of economic assets are state-owned, there is a plan (i don't know the # of years it encompasses, however), basic utilities are either owned or heavily subsidized by the state. I don't know anything about profit motives, but it should be noted that even Stalin advocated for the introduction of profit as one of many plan indicators to improve efficiency (new conditions - new tasks in economic construction). The existence of profit as an indicator does not necessitate that production is not for use. the recent reforms have, from my limited knowledge, not changed the economic mechanism of the country but have instead encouraged more foreign investment by opening new "special economic zones" and expanding already existing ones. the reforms taking place are not tantamount to the doi moi or those of deng. attached are pdfs about the dprk's economy. one is from the 70s so its relevance to today is dubious but still worth the read.
>>515737 Cuba is far more self sufficient. The economy of the DPRK - which bourgeois economists label as an advanced industrial economy, is far more advanced than Cuba, which is basically incapable of industrializing due both to geography and it's low population. A good example of this is that Cuba regularly sends their military equipment to get repaired in the DPRK as they lack to the ability to carry out regular maintenance on their own stuff.
>>515868 The DPRK exports shit? What do they sell to China?
American white cop murders a black, Minnesota declares emergency http://www.pyongyangtimes.com.kp/?bbs=34525 Minnesota of the United States declared a state of emergency amid intensifying protest actions against the murder of a black man by a white policeman. The white cop pressed down on the neck of the black in his 40s with his knee as he detained him in Minneapolis of Minnesota on May 25. The latter was driven to a hospital, but died. The following day, a video clip of the man being pressed down was posted on the Internet, which shows him crying out it was suffocating. Protests are reportedly being staged in the city to condemn the police’s racial discrimination against the black people and demand the punishment of the culprit.
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North Korea is a meritocratic state capitalist economy quite similar to the Yugo and whatnot
>>559528 From the outset, the DPRK seems to have far more and far bigger industrial plants while Cuba has barely any. But then the question is, how many of those industrial plants in the DPRK are actually consistently operated, due to energy shortage and underinvestment in maintenance. Cuba's capital stock is smaller, but it seems to be operating at full capacity.
>>559808 Coal, mostly. Also, I've heard about perfume exports, beer, soy, garments and rare earths. It's hard to know because of the sanctions. Only very few items are allowed to be traded, amongst them are wigs and fake eyelashes.
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>>562586 Energy will no longer be an issue in the long run, at least in industrial sectors, once the massive hydro stations being built in Orangchon and Tanchon are completed, Kim has long been pushing to accelerate a drive for free energy based on the country's geography. The plans have already existed since like Imperial Japan, but were never implemented until the current leader readopted it as part of the 5 year strategy announced in 2015 to bolster its energy situation, and they're now only a few months ahead of completion. And that's quite something for a country with an ongoing international sanction. Quite frankly, the only serious threat that has been cast on it at the moment, as the leadership openly addresses, is unironically food supply, which is inherent to the land size. But that's also likely going to be history in the future as the new land reclamation projects along the west coast of South Hwanghae province are making progress, and if they go successful, it might actually be the Netherlands in the region.
>>562608 >>562608 You might actually want to add pig iron to the list, as it has recently figured out how to refine the ore without relying on the coke, which consequently normalized steel production to a significant level. Also, reminder that North Korea is literally sitting on a heap of iron and coal, the entire region is like Rhein-Ruhr, plus rare earth.
Americans take to streets in 30 cities, troops set to crack down on protesters http://www.pyongyangtimes.com.kp/?bbs=34544 Anti-racist demonstrations are now expanding to all parts of the US with the murder of a black man by a white policeman in Minnesota as a momentum. On May 30, crowds from all walks of life in some 30 cities turned out for protest actions, including Washington DC and New York. In particular, fierce protest demonstrations take place every day in Minneapolis of Minnesota, where the black man was killed. Los Angeles, Chicago, Atlanta and 22 other cities have been placed under curfew and lots of defence troops have been mobilized to crack down on demonstrators in 15 states. Even the White House was blocked, the governor of Texas declared a state of disaster and the US administration is reportedly expected to commit government forces to suppress the demonstrations.
Pompeo daydreams of destroying Communist party, socialism http://www.pyongyangtimes.com.kp/?bbs=34567 “Branding socialism led by the Communist Party as dictatorship destroying the Western-style ideal, democracy and values, Pompeo cried out that he would build a world of the US and the West free from the rule by the Communist Party of China. Though in reverse order, his nonsensical remarks indicate an intention to dare to destroy even socialism in the DPRK led by the Workers' Party of Korea,” said a spokesman for the International Affairs Department of the WPK Central Committee on June 3. This is the present reality of the crumbling US where demonstrators enraged by extreme racism throng even to the White House and it is American-style freedom and democracy to stigmatize the demonstrators as leftists and threaten to break up demonstration by setting even the dogs on them, he derided. Pompeo should not daydream of undermining the growing Communist Party and socialism, he added.
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uuuhhhh.... based??
>>574232 I want to vore Mike Pompeo with my penis
Which countries are allies of North Korea, or does it Stand Alone? https://youtu.be/p2Dj3OfZdgs https://youtu.be/vD9pAZ0qpLE
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Not that Kim is alive and well, what is /ourgirl/ up too?
>>586976 In the last two years it has become just a Chinese province.
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>>586985 Considering that China is industrial and quite rich, does that means that everyone has access to Huawei, Geely and Chinese food? Asking, because few months ago I asked about North Korean gadgets and car brands, but didn't hear much about any of them. I am unironically disappointed that Kim uses Mercedes and noth some retro Soviet or at least new Chinese car.
>>586985 A "Chinese province" which is sanctioned by China, has nukes despite China being against it, is not implementing Chinese style privatization, and does not follow Chinese foreign policy.
>>586985 >>587020 They seem somewhat reliant on Chinese imports. But so is the USA. Is the USA a Chinese province?
>>586982 issued a statement a few days ago lambasting some worse koreans throwing propaganda leaflets across the border into the north.
>>587001 >North Korean phone Uh, that's an iPhone X. Or maybe I'm not getting something.
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Trump frantically calling Kim to save his shitty peace plan rn
>>587088 Never had iphone, always prefered android. Just googled North Korea phone, because from r/FULLCOMMUNISM know that North Korea produces some
>>594781 So is reunification this century completely out of the question?
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>>594930 >Our faces when the Koreas become annihilated with nuclear hellfire before they get to reunify
Could anynone look up in their national news if you see something similar to this? Apparently the DPRK is potentially making millions through selling sand lmao. Based if true https://cnnespanol.cnn.com/2020/06/10/corea-del-norte-podria-estar-haciendo-millones-y-violando-sanciones-vendiendo-arena-si-arena/amp/
>>587066 Kind of an understatement. Honestly I’m surprised to see this thread so bare given the magnitude of what is going on here. South Korean CIA funded NGO’s sent balloons full of pamphlets depicting photoshopped images of Kim Jong Un, his wife and KIS/KJI in hardcore pornography. Based on what a friend from the DPRK has said, they were pretty bad. Likely involving homosexuality (big no no in DPRK) and goatsee tier disgust porn. Bare in mind that in the DPRK, pornography is illegal and most people have absolutely no exposure to even mild porn, in a culture where even mild public displays of affection are considered very rude. Suddenly ordinary people, children are exposed to these disgusting images, word has spread and people in the DPRK are fuming. If you watch videos of the recent youth rally, you’ll see the speakers on the verge of tears they’re so angry. Ordinary North Koreans - who in normal times are more militantly anti American and nationalistic than their government, are demanding blood. This is why the DPRK has been forced to cut communications with the south and hold these rallies. Honestly, the situation is pretty heated. I wouldn’t be surprised if the group that did this is one of those crazy South Korean doom cults trying to stir up tension. At a bare minimum, this isn’t going to be resolved without the perpetrators being detected and executed publicly (this seems to be the core demand of the masses in the DPRK right now) although that likely won’t be enough on its own. This is one of those crazy things that could legit lead to war, not because the WPK or s korea wants it, but because the population of the North is demanding a very harsh response. Moon is also between a rock and a hard place, because if he gives concessions he damages relations with the US and looks weak internally, if he doesn’t this can only escalate. At the very least, if serious concessions aren’t offered & anyone who had a hand in this handed over for capital punishment to the DPRK, a 2013 style border skirmish is very much possible.
>>598632 What in the fuck
>>598632 Wow. Is there anywhere we can read more about this?
>>598632 holy shit source? fuck occ*pied korea
>>598668 Voice of Korea, recent KCNA releases and riding sinmun. They don’t mention by name what the content of the pamphlets is, but you can figure it out pretty quick based on the reaction. S korea has sent pamphlets into the DPRK for decades. DPRK friend shared a censored version of one of the images - featured Kim’s wife photoshopped into a porn scene. That was apparently one of the milder ones.
>>598680 *rodong sinmun Sorry phone typing sucks
>>598680 >>598688 i would ri sol ju 2bh
>>598680 Holy shit you're right. Rodong Sinmun is full of this stuff today. My fucking God
>>598700 >>598707 Another example of how heated this is right now. Language is strong even for DPRK: https://kcnawatch.org/newstream/1591779696-160338399/clubbing-is-best-for-mad-dog
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>>598632 The pornography in question wasn't gay. The porn is supposedly a photoshop of Ri Sol-ju's face onto some Japanese porn "Love in Seoul" (or however you translate it). I don't know if they included the porn or just the cover was photoshopped, but a lot of people are pretty pissed in South Korea too. https://www.dmm.co.jp/digital/videoa/-/detail/=/cid=17rad00007/?i3_ref=list&i3_ord=2 the porn in question in case you're really that curious. Some right-wing newspapers in the south argue that the photos in question are from older incidents, but generally the flyers and shit they send over follow the same type of thing. Considering that they're run by super old conservative guys, I doubt they would send anything other than straight porn. Rodong Sinmun and news organizations in the DPRK generally don't report on anything too sexual, so I'd suggest looking at Chongryon-afilliated newspapers in Japan. Looked at Choson Sinbo's Korean and Japanese articles, but it seems to follow similar editorials to Rodong Sinmun.
>>598717 Thanks for the clarification. Is it possible multiple images were dropped? If that is the only one I’ll chalk it up to hear-say in my circles. DPRK friends comments were understandably limited.
>>559443 I seconded this.
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>>598717 Ok I found a closer copy of this photo. Idk if it's this time, but this is the type of propaganda they send over. (rough translation) "The DPRK’s Great International Shame Who would do this kind of vulgar act.. General Kim Jong Un’s wife?? It can’t be! Ri Sol-ju, the mother of Son’gun, stripped off all her clothes, filmed vulgar pornos with elder KWP cadres and got cash from overseas?! Nine female members of the Unhasu Orchestra told the truth and were publicly executed?" (can't read the rest over the watermark) The banner behind says "Ri Sol-ju Porno: Kim Jong Un knows, the North Korean people don't" >>598720 Idk from what I know about these defector groups, it's definitely possible though
>>598717 >old conservative guys >I doubt they would send anything other than straight porn le smug face.jpg
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>>598632 >Bare in mind that in the DPRK, pornography is illegal It's illegal in South Korea too, this map is up-to-date (2020, April), source wiki article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pornography_laws
>>598806 Why's it banned in Iceland?
>>598810 iceland has the larpy laws regarding port aka it on the internet but you cant sell it
updates on north/south relations?
https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1271472092425474053 North Korea says it is pulling away from its relationship with the U.S. two years after a historic handshake between President Trump and Kim Jong Un.
2 dprk threads with 50+ replies general thread meant for this dead.
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>>476938 people like you deradicalize me a little bit everyday
>>615711 if thats enough to "de-radicalize" you, then you are a massive faggot
>>615868 >h-how dare you not be hyper nationalist idealist cry more you nigger, good on that anon
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>>615892 >Being so mad you start using racial slurs
>>477139 Yeah, obviously trying to stop imperialism in any way is retarded. You shouldn't try to oppose the propaganda machine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hands_Off_Russia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hands_Off_Venezuela https://handsoffiran.com/ http://www.handsoffsyriasydney.com/ >>477167 DDR anon is based
imagine i don't know anything about the DPRK: why doesn't china provide economic aid to the DPRK? if it does, why not more? if there are natural resources aplenty, surely this would be advantageous for china to reap the rewards, or does the DPRK not permit BRI-esque investment? correct my assumptions if you can
>>617400 China does provide some aid to the DPRK. A big problem is that the DPRK is under a ton of sanctions and economic blockade by the west. China is constantly being accused of violating the sanctions, but they cannot wholesale just ignore them without severely hurting their own economy and ability to operate on the world market, which unfortunately they must do at this stage. There is some evidence that plenty of products produced in the DPRK are sold as "made in China"
So, is the current situation going to turn into a continuation to the Korean War? Would the DPRK win, if that were to happen?
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Can I get some good books and videos that show north korea favorably rather than propagandized?
>>621533 >North Korea is despicable for executing its people for trying to leave the country What's a response to this?
>>621798 People do leave the country, there are plenty of DPRK citizens in China. They execute traitors trying to defect to the US occupied southern puppet regime (as they should).
>>621900 Are all of them traitors though? Can't it just also be a lot of people that are fleeing poverty?
>>621905 >fleeing poverty In the 90s, during the arduous march that might have been true. The economy these days is not bad, people are not starving. If people are worried about poverty they would stay in the North, not go to the South where defectors starve to death.
>>621912 Can you provide sources for North Koreans not being hungry and defectors starving?
>>621912 Why do defectors risk starvation to flee?
>>621961 Many are kidnapped, bribed, or blackmailed by SK intelligence. They are also payed around a million dollars by the SK government if they have useful intelligence, so it can be pretty lucrative. If you make up an insane enough story, you can get on tv, do speaking events for rightwing groups etc. You have to be good looking and with a really good story to make all this money though, or else the south throws you into the gutter to die. Occupied South Korea is a capitalist nightmare state. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/13/why-do-north-korean-defector-testimonies-so-often-fall-apartyou https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktE_3PrJZO0 check out this documentary. it can be hard to find reliable info, but I would suggest looking deeper into things
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>>562900 Same energy.
>>622225 CALL TO DESTRUCTION OF THE SYMBOLS OF PAGANISM
Another based take from Stephen Gowans >While Pyongyang had proposed that the two states engage in a series of reciprocal confidence-building measures, Washington was pursuing a campaign of maximum pressure, designed to strongarm Pyongyang into giving up its nuclear weapons. [8] >The campaign was, on the world stage, what Derek Chauvin’s knee on the neck of George Floyd was on the streets of Minneapolis—an act of suffocation designed to bring about submission, even death. >Washington’s aim was to starve North Korea of oxygen by organizing a near-total blockade of the country, using occasional summits and meetings with the North Koreans as platforms for demanding a North Korean surrender. >If we believe the Western news media, by blowing up the inter-Korean liaison office, North Korea has scorned hopes for peace on the Korean peninsula. >But neither Washington nor Seoul were ever interested in peace, except on US terms, and US terms require North Korea’s surrender and its absorption into a hierarchy of nations in which the United States sits at the top. >North Korea has given its answer. It will not happen. https://gowans.blog/2020/06/20/why-north-korea-blew-up-the-inter-korean-liaison-office/
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Should I join the KFA as like a secondary organisation? They seem more like a book club to me.
Preliminary Meeting for 5th Meeting of 7th WPK Central Military Commission Held​ Pyongyang, June 24 (KCNA) -- A preliminary meeting for the fifth meeting of the Seventh Central Military Commission of the Workers' Party of Korea (WPK) took place through video conferencing on June 23. Kim Jong Un, chairman of the WPK and chairman of the WPK Central Military Commission, presided over the meeting. Attending the preliminary meeting were Ri Pyong Chol, vice-chairman of the WPK Central Military Commission, and some members of the commission. The meeting examined agenda items of major military policy to be laid before the fifth meeting of the Seventh WPK Central Military Commission, and made a study of a report and decisions, which will be submitted to the fifth meeting, and some documents carrying the state measures for further bolstering the war deterrent of the country. At the preliminary meeting, the WPK Central Military Commission took stock of the prevailing situation and suspended the military action plans against the south brought for the fifth meeting of the Seventh Central Military Commission by the General Staff of the Korean People's Army. https://dprktoday.com/abroad/songun/1218?lang=e
How's the quality of life in NK according to Leftypol? How wealthy is the average person?
>>640007 >How's the quality of life in NK according to Leftypol? Cheap legal weed lmao
>>640007 I have talked to people who have worked in NK so If you talk about the average person the he is poor but better than people in siera leone or poor folk in the Philippines ,the well off urban folk tend to consume a lot of western products and avoid the 8 year millitary service so i guess at the level of a well off middle class american
>>640015 Glad to see that class stratification is alive and kicking even in remote places like the DPRK.
>>640038 The rural areas are always internal colonies of the urban centers.
>>640051 https://www.brookings.edu/essay/the-education-of-kim-jong-un/ >In addition to the beauty industry, the vision of economic development that Kim has been promoting includes ski resorts, a riding club, skate parks, amusement parks, a new airport, and a dolphinarium, perhaps because he considers these as markers of a “modern” state. Or in his naiveté he may simply want his people to enjoy the things to which he has had privileged access. (Fujimoto claimed that when Kim was 18, he ruminated to the sushi chef, “We are here, playing basketball, riding horses, riding Jet Skis, having fun together. But what of the lives of the average people?”) Also he's talked about unification of the countryside and city from the critique of the golgotha plan iirc
>>640015 >8 year military service That's insane.
>>640061 kim has been a reformer in the sense that he opened at least the urban part of nk to the world, people are more willing to talk to foreighners and the punisments for decent are way less harsh ,also as you said more infrastructure in the countryside >>640066 Soldiers are more used as free labour sine feeding them is cheaper than paying them
>>640007 Anyone sending neoliberal HDI is a retard. You can poke millions of holes into the methodology of the index. Methodology is basically liberal democracy = good life, using unequality adjusted one would be better. Quality of life isn't good there but still it isn't the hell on earth that media or public defectors that can't tell the same story twice describe. I imagine it's nearly in the same level as the northeastern industrial cities of China in many places some probably better.
>>640076 The Northeastern industrial cities of China have a fairly high quality of life. I can't imagine that the DPRK is there yet. A comparison with more Western provinces like, say, Gansu or Shaanxi would probably be more accurate.
>>640085 I was talking about Manchurian industrial cities not Beijing
>>640087 I was talking about Dongbei, not Beijing.
>>640038 This is uneven development, not class stratification. Around 70 percent of the population lives in cities.
>>640427 If you have inequality of that scale, you basically have class stratification.
>>640076 Despite that neoliberal methodology, the DPRK was still ranked as having a high HDI (0.766) the last time they were included in the yearly UNDP report.
>>640076 >Methodology is basically liberal democracy = good life <From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: >The Human Development Index (HDI) is a statistic composite index of life expectancy, education (Literacy Rate, Gross Enrollment Ratio at different levels and Net Attendance Ratio) , and per capita income indicators The only iffy one might be per capita income, since socialist countries aren't necessarily oriented towards profit maximization, however the other two are pretty good metrics, don't you think?
>>640063 it's fucking amazing the class consciousness, political and civic education that north koreans have is a thing of admiration as well as the reason why the whole thing is still going on and frankly beyond porky intervention l think the lack of the aforementioned was the main reason why people cheered c*pitalism in all former communist countries esp in europe to suffer in famine and pestilence for years and years and not at least pull something like 1989 romania is tbh incomprehensible dog bless nord gorea
>>640784 Remember kids, don't trust a word your liberal professors tell you when they talk about Juche Theory Juche is simply the korean term for subject[ivity] The first development of juche theory was a speech where Kim il Sung said the Korean people have strong juche
>>640829 The most retarded claim from a liberal about Juche comes from B.R. Myers, who says that the DPRK doesn't actually believe in Juche and that the whole thing as made up to fool foreigners. Basically the "DPRK is literally the Truman Show" meme but applied to their political ideology.
>>640921 This is so ridiculous, because if they were making shit up to make foreigners like them more, I think they would go with something foreigners actually like, and not Juche lol.
Does anyone have any sources showing the south started the Korean war?
>>641207 I don't think you could really make a case for that. It seems that there were just two sides, each mutually intolerant of the other, and it was just a matter of who would strike first. Kind of like Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union. The South "started the Korean war" by existing as a capitalist state backed by the capitalist bloc, though something similar could be said about the North.
>>641207 This book written by a former south Korean ambassador. According to him, Syngman Rhee wanted a violent unification and provoked the war with US backing.
Is Songbun real?
>>642146 is this the pedo poster?
>>641273 The Korean war would've never happened if America had not overthrown the PRK to halt the revolution that was taking place there. Also it's not really comparable to WW2.
>>642198 Wasn't the DPRK itself a deviation from what the founders of the PRK wanted?
>>642243 In what way?
>>598680 >DPRK friend Where do you make DPRK friends?
>>642243 Many of its leaders were communists and left wing nationalists. After the suppression of the peoples committees in the southern zone, they either left to the north or stayed in the south to oppose the US puppet regime. And there are mass organizations such as the Korean Womens League and the Korean Democratic Youth League which were formed around the same time as PRK and supported its program. These organization still exist in the DPRK under different names.
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Western propaganda fail. Article claims foreign films are illegal in DPRK while showing images of foreign films publicly being sold in DPRK.
>>643121 I dont want to be an asshole but korea has a lot of illegal markets and sellers that the police doesnt care about
>>640829 I'm not that well versed in Juche but from reading pamphlets, speeches and books about Juche it sounds very similar to Heidegger's concept of "Dasein". It's not surprising considering the fact that even Heidegger himself was influenced by Asian religious philosophies like Buddhism and Taoism, it's a very immaterialist concept but still understandable how Juche came into being. My criticism of Juche comes from their rejection of historical materialism not muh concentration camps.
>>643178 > My criticism of Juche comes from their rejection of historical materialism Assume it doesn't reject dialectical or historical materialism but rather these are axiomatic and juche is derived from them What do you see?
>>642682 Can you debunk it?
>>643149 They literally show foreign films on national TV
>>643149 Not everything in North Korea is "illegal" just because it isn't the state conducting it. Read their constitution, they actually do have things like freedom of expression etc. - people renting out DVDs of Frozen or whatever is completely okay, police doesn't care about it because it's not ideologically dubious. I'd imagine they would crack down on movies financed by the Pentagon or the CIA like The Avengers, but generally North Koreans can watch and read whatever they like.
>>643686 Do you have any sources to back this one up apart from the constitution. I'm curious to see how this plays out in reality, because afaik, you aren't allowed to bring in certain forms of reading material when you go to the DPRK.
>>643686 Also, there is something I want to also express because I've seen reservations that the DPRK has "legalized markets" or whatever. "Markets" were never illegal as such. There was nothing illegal about one citizen trading an item with another citizen. What was illegal was when a cooperative did it, because the produce was supposed to go to the state to a certain percentage, so they did allow for farmer markets in the 90s when the distribution system collapsed. But that's the only real "liberalization" if you want to call it like that, yes, there are commodity markets in bigger cities but they're not to be "legalized" because they're not illegal. When someone buys a lot of commodities in China that aren't available domestically, he can sell them in those market halls, and he could have done so in 70s. Socialism is socialized means of production. What would be a liberalization would be what Cuba did where they allowed for private property on businesses to a very limited extent. Remember that we get our information about "market liberalization" from bourgeois outlets like 38North of the John Hopkins University, those people don't know about socialism nor do they care. For them, socialism is "when the government does stuff" so when more Koreans trade, this must mean that the DPRK is "liberalizing."
>>643692 Freedom of expression is restricted, most constitutions have designated restrictions of their basic rights. For example, swastikas are outlawed in many European countries. The only country that "nominally" has complete unlimited freeze peach is the US. The DPRK probably restricts expression a hell of a lot more of course, but it's not necessarily done informally, but via correct legal procedure. If the constitution was just a piece of paper they wouldn't amend and change it all the time. I would imagine anything from the outside that is explicitly politically would be under scrutiny considering how hostile most politics in other countries are to them. But then again they allowed for implicitly political stuff to be shown like Laibach in an official concert. I also imagine that the everyday North Korean in Wonsan or whatever can probably do whatever to a large degree. Police doesn't give a shit, why would they, more trouble than its worth. I imagine the elite in Pyongyang to be watched much more closely. The higher you get in their food chain, the more you are under scrutiny.
>>465632 Maybe personality? Looks to have powerful character and actual assertiveness in general.
Remember when communist space aliens helped the North during the Korean War? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E85-tQ2lO_I https://www.history.com/news/korean-war-us-army-ufo-attack-illness
>>664614 the southern government was nothing once the U.S. fucked off, so come 1975 it was as easy as rolling the tanks in saigon and setting up a provisional government which worked with north vietnam.
Tell me about persecution of Christians in N. Korea
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>>669302 doesn't exist. they have a few churches, and a few Christians, but most of the population isn't interested, since they have adopted a scientific world outlook. But they have religious freedom for those who want it.
>>669382 I've read that thousands of Christians are imprisoned and tortured, in prisons that are even worse than normal ones. Also, the churches and laws about religious freedom are just for show. Of course by default I believe all of that imperialist propaganda is bullshit, but I'd like some more concrete proof or in-depth discussion of this.
>>669453 >I've read that thousands of Christians are imprisoned and tortured, in prisons that are even worse than normal ones. Also, the churches and laws about religious freedom are just for show. This comes from the Christian fundamentalist cults in South Korea. It’s not trustworthy at all. These are the same people that didn’t believe Covid-19 existed and infected themselves drinking a giant bowl of “holy water”.
>>669453 I don't know exactly what proofs I can give that won't just be dismissed out of hand by the kind of people that make anti-Korea claims, but some good evidence I think that the DPRK doesn't repress Christians is the fact that many important politicians have been Christian, including Kim Il-Sung's mother. They have 5 churches, 3 protestant, 1 Catholic, 1 Russian Orthodox. They've had the pope visit even. The idea that all of that is just for show is as ridiculous as the claims that everything else is all just for show to westerners.
>>669503 I knew they've invited Francis, but afaik the pope has never visited the DPRK.
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Statement of First Vice Foreign Minister of DPRK >Words “DPRK-U.S. summit” which have become dim even in our memory have become a topic for conversation from some days ago, drawing the attention of the international community. >There is a person who thoughtlessly voices an intention to mediate the summit, utterly regardless of what we, the dialogue party, would think of it, and there is rumor that the U.S. ruling quarters admit the need to hold DPRK-U.S. summit before the U.S. presidential election. >There are even some dreamers hoping to leverage our denuclearization measures for conditional lifting of sanctions, while raising hope for “October surprise.” >Now is a very sensitive time when even the slightest misjudgment and misstep would incur fatal and irrevocable consequences. We can not but be shocked at the story about the summit indifferent to the present situation of the DPRK-U.S. relations. >Is it possible to hold dialogue or have any dealings with the U.S. which persists in the hostile policy toward the DPRK in disregard of the agreements already made at the past summit? >It is clear to us, even without meeting, as to what shallow trick the U.S. will approach us with, as it has neither intention nor will to go back to the drawing board. >The U.S. is mistaken if it thinks things like negotiations would still work on us. >We have already worked out detailed strategic timetable for putting under control the long-term threat from the U.S. >There will never be any adjustment and change in our policy, conditional on external parameters like internal political schedule of someone. >Long talk is not necessary. >We do not feel any need to sit face to face with the U.S., as it does not consider the DPRK-U.S. dialogue as nothing more than a tool for grappling its political crisis. Pyongyang, July 4, Juche 109(2020) http://www.mfa.gov.kp/en/statement-of-first-vice-foreign-minister-of-dprk/
>>671986 >'October Suprise' So what Dolan wants to win the election by making himself out to be a peacemaker by lifting sanctions with the DPRK? lol
>>669453 they aren't but they should be
Is the DPRK really "Democratic"? Pretty much everyone is forced to vote and they only have one choice, and there are certainly repercussions to not voting for the one candidate.
>>673598 Voting and elections are not democracy.
>>673598 Are you sure this is true?
>>673598 Candidates are selected before the elections in mass meetings
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>>673598 >forced to vote
>>676750 Source
>>676764 Yes, got a rebuttal?
>>677711 >being forced to vote is literally 1984 >no, not like mandatory voting in australia, switzerland, belgium, or argentina, that's fine
>>673598 there's multiple parties in the dprk dummy
>>677744 Yea but realistically, the WPK is like 90% of the parliament and controls everything.
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what did she mean by this
>>679384 watching shitty movies is fun, same logic applies
>>679384 >baka! I just want to show these to my friends and then we can laugh at how pathetic your parades are. i-it's not that I like you or anything
>>679384 It was probably just placating trump
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>The Mayor of Seoul + Possible Presidential opponent for moon was just found dead. Hours after being reported missing. Did Moon just epstein some guy?
>>679415 when a number on a piece of paper is your god, anything is possible.
>>673598 im forced to vote too :(((( australian btw
Can someone find that one report that says that North Koreans aren't taught about the existence of Africa or Australia?
>>682598 >North Koreans aren't taught about the existence of Africa That would be pretty weird, considering the DPRK's many links to Africa. The DPRK has been involved with the NAM for decades lol, like, they know what exists outside of their borders.
>>682598 There was no report saying that. It was just the claim of one celebrity defector on Twitter.
>>682725 Is this the original tweet or is there something earlier?: https://twitter.com/andreachalupa/status/1006368736323006464?lang=en
>>682730 Yeah, that's the original.
From Wiki: >Although the coroner's post-mortem examination had found that Warmbier's teeth were "natural and in good repair", two of Warmbier's private dentists testified that his post-mortem dental x-rays indicated that some of his lower teeth were bent backward when compared to his earlier dental records, consistent with "some sort of impact."A scar on Warmbier's foot, previously described by the coroner as "inexplicable",was held up by some expert witnesses as evidence that Warmbier may have been subjected to torture (such as electric shock) by his North Korean jailers. So he was tortured after all? Was he killed in the end or was it something else, like a suicide attempt?
>>682725 So here's the thing: if we can't use the statements of dissidents and defectors at all, how are we supposed to prove that the DPRK has issues at all? I mean, it's not like they are going to admit to not teaching about Africa and Australia themselves, if indeed, they don't teach about that, so what utility does it have to dismiss defectors by definition?
>>684991 Most likely a suicide attempt. There have been several foreigners who were imprisoned by the DPRK for various reasons and none of them have reported that they were tortured even after their release.
>>684999 What about the injuries?
>>682598 DPRK had diplomatic and maybe even trade relationships with many African countries. Laughable claim.
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>>684991 >Wikipedia
>>684996 That particular defector, Park Yeon Mi is a known liar who has repeatedly made demonstrably false claims. Also the DPRK has no reason to hide the existence of those continents and they do have world maps and geography textbooks in school. https://archive.org/stream/DPRKTexts/Education/Secondary/1/geography This is just another attempt to make the DPRK seem as outlandish as possible.
>>684996 >hOw DO we kNoW tHAt itS noT tRUe thAt noRTH KorEaNs DonT kNOw thAt aUstRAliA eXistS?!?!? It's because immediately–hold on, iTs BeCaUSE iMMediAtely After tHAT AlLegAtioN waS mADE pEoplE pOinted TO cOUNTer eXamples fRom noRth KorEaN mEdiA.
>>685004 It is not the most laughable claim.
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>>685233 Well, it says it right there, she is an actress.
>>685233 Mein Gott, burgers really are the brainwashed zombies they believe the norks to be. I wonder whether there's a thing going on among the ex-norks where they make bets who can say the most stupid shit and get that published.
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>>685233 I mean, I could imagine this being true, in that NK has pretty traditional and modest gender representation, and so red lipstick might seem somewhat indulgent, but unless she elaborates on this just a little further, it's obvious silly
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I don't like red lipstick on women, it looks uncanny, but plenty of them wear it there. It is true that makeup is banned for those who haven't graduated high school though, not sure what age Nara Kang defected.
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>>685307 there are plenty of pictures out there of women in the DPRK wearing red lipstick lol.
>>685430 >>685435 Yeah well, I know that it is not so common (mind you, I don't think it's bad that it's uncommon) but fair enough, none of these pics appear to be meant for western eyes only or something, so point taken. The most charitable reading is that, if the claim is true, it doesn't apply to all women in the DPRK, and that's a little unlikely.
>>685297 Damn Pyongyang looks like brutalist cyberpunk. Kinda cool looking, but all that cement and all those blocks are kinda eff, but I do understand the situation and symphatyse.
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>>685233 Incredible
>>685233 >effthe color red represent capitalism Their flag has a red start They cannot even use wikipedia.
>Commercial satellite imagery indicates steady progress has been made on numerous large construction projects around Pyongyang. Some are mandated to be completed by October when the Workers’ Party of Korea (WPK) marks its 75th anniversary and major celebration events are planned. https://www.38north.org/2020/07/pyongyang070920/
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Anti-DPRK propaganda outlet alters details of a previously held interview to match a later article
>>699262 Devil's advocate: exile was the most common practice known to the Daily NK and with newer reports it turns out some people pay bribes to avoid such, and as a result the Daily NK had to change a past story because it turns out there are some exceptions.
>>701101 Okay fine, then write it like that, but literally changing this guy's words in a quotation is absolutely scummy.
>>701111 Maybe he himself didn't know better, and has only seen/heard of people get deported and not surveilled/pay bribes.
>>685233 //eeeeeeêweeeeweee
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>>719348 God I hope this is fakenews
>>719348 They'll be fine if they swiftly lockdown
>>719430 Confirmed by Reuters, sadly not fake
Kim Jong-un declares emergency & puts Kaesong City on total lockdown after 1st suspected Covid-19 case in North Korea https://www.rt.com/news/495873-north-korea-kaesong-emergency-coronavirus/ The city of Kaesong has been placed on lockdown after a person with symptoms of coronavirus “illegally crossed” the border, North Korean leader Kim Jong-un announced at an emergency anti-epidemic meeting. Kim Jong-un said he “took the preemptive measure of totally blocking Kaesong City and isolating each district and region from the other” on July 24, as soon as he was informed of the incident, according to state news agency KCNA. An emergency meeting was held on Saturday “to discuss the dangerous situation in Kaesong City that may lead to a deadly and destructive disaster.”
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THREAD THEME https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gK9h-n7nw7k So it appears the joint Trumpoid USA-Dengoid China project's lab-made bioweapon has unfortunately penetrated into Best Korea, one of the last strongholds on the planet that continues to be free from the domination of the imperialist enemy. How long until we start seeing bodies being burned en masse? What's left? Where on the whole fucking Earth is still safe now? Nunavut if the indigenous/Aleut finally kick out the whitoid Euro Canadians and their mining corporations? Sentinel Island? The Deep Amazon/Deep Congo?
>>719348 I guess this BTFOs everyone who claimed that they simply shot everyone who developed a fever instead of reporting it to the outside world.
>>719747 Turkmenistan still claims that they have no cases
So, now nkoreans will be vaccine sterilized and porky will took everything they have in a couple of generations, pretty sad tbh.
>>720703 >vaccine sterilized ....
>>465672 Damn, no wonder Mao was such a sex fiend
>>720708 Well, war is impossible, subversion of socialism is impossible too, there. The only option left is biological extermination. I wonder what kind of people KJU met when he was in Switzerland and what did they do to him. Or is he dead and being impersonated by a double?
Why was Warmbier sentenced to 15 years in a labor camp? Was he really expected to serve all of those just for stealing a poster?
>>723403 No, the sentence was symbolic. In every case where the DPRK imprisoned a foreigner, they were released within a relatively short period of time https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foreign_nationals_detained_in_North_Korea
>>719520 >>719450 >>719348 South Korea Confirms a Defector Swam Back to the North >North Korea has accused him of bringing Covid-19 across the border. A South Korean news outlet says the 24-year-old man was wanted for questioning over a rape accusation. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/27/world/asia/north-korea-defector-coronavirus.html https://archive.is/KgekN
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These are the true masters of North Korea (except the one on the left, ofc)
>>735435 What is this?
>>735272 Rather odd that I haven't seen fifty headlines talking about the heroic risks of this defector, coupled with sponsorships and international speaking tours. Very odd indeed
>>735451 a stamp celebrating the royal family
>>736902 Yes but North Korea is celebrating the Welsh?
>>735451 Part of a series of stamps they made in order to sell them to stamp collectors
>>735435 Ok, DPRK is most certainly NOT LaRouche gang
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How do you like this new apartment building in Sinuiju, /leftypol/?
>>744642 i like it, modest but stylish
>>744642 I think North Korean color schemes are pretty ugly. Not a fan of the architectural style for that reason, but I am glad that they are upholding the great communist tradition of commieblocks.
>>744642 It's more entertaining than your suburb in the states at least. It's kind of gaudy though.
>>744642 North Korea and Cuba both have cities whose buildings are all pastel-colored, which kind of has an appeal but also looks a bit messy. That also looks like something the USSR would produce if it lasted a bit longer.
>>744642 Not fair why do only best Koreans get to live in hopeful golden age scifi
>>744677 The Cuban buildings look good, while the North Korean look awful.
How is Nazism and Nazi imagery treated in North Korea? Do they have cultural standards/laws against it as much as in more western socialist states?
>>744727 They hate everything associated with the Japanese Empire including Nazi Germany. And sometimes their media compares their enemies to Nazis.
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New shirts fresh from the printers
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This Youtube channel seems to be run directly from the DPRK: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvJhrLWhqTQ
>>756902 Oh weird I was literally just watching a bunch of their videos when I came back to check out what the board is up to. Still trying to figure out how I feel about the DPRK but I think I'm too retarded to have real opinions.
>>771577 Most of what? The fancy buildings? Those are all built by the army. >slave labor in their extensive prison camp system Literally every socialist state has this accusation thrown at them. Even if the maximum estimate by imperialist sources for prisoners in DPRK is correct, it is still lower than the number of prisoners in the US. Also the economic output of the population outside gulag would obviously be greater.
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>>751027 I would unironically wear a hoodie like this; considering the juche symbol would be very unknown to almost all people where I'm from (plus it already looks kinda distorted into the adidas symbol in pic related) it would be subtle enough to use in public. Asian anons are probably fucked though lol
https://defendkorea.com/2020/08/15/decree-of-amnesty-promulgated-in-dprk/ >According to the decree, amnesty will be granted to those, who had been convicted of crimes against the country and the people Told you the corona op was a coup in North Korea. They are selling the country, just as >>751027 simbolizes quite clearly.
>>682598 australia is not real anyways
>>775412 This is nothing new. They give mass pardons to convicts once every few years on special occasions.
>>744642 its the sun rising out of the ocean.
>>756902 Oh, I love that channel. It's not super informative, but I like getting small looks into the country.
>>756902 this + phuongdprk and some other channel seem to be run from the DPRK. There's also other channels like DPRKnow that are good sources of full KCTV documentaries and news coverage.
>>779971 Phuong DPRK is run from Germany by the child of a north Korean who moved to East Germany
The chad Juche Idea: MAN IS THE MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE The virgin DPRK in reality: OH MY GOD THE COLD VIRUS! EVERYBODY GET COVER!
>>781728 Are you one of those plandemic kooks?
>>781917 That's more believable except for the alleged food shortages.
>>781829 Is Juche true?
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>>781917 People will believe anything about Best Korea. A few days ago they were circulating a story that government was punishing people who didn't save Kim portraits from their houses during the Hyesan fire.
>>782986 In what regard? Religion and ideology are tools to control people. There's obviously a bunch of bullshit that has no scientific basis in Juche. The more interesting question is what sociological patterns in the population are fostered by Juche, as opposed to say Protestantism, Liberalism, Shintoism, Evangelicalism, etc.? Juche also seems to have been part of the equation in preventing the population from overthrowing the Kim dynasty.
>>781728 They lifted the Kaesong lockdown. It turns out that the suspected case from a returning defector was not actually COVID.
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https://juchechat.tumblr.com/post/184461056282/to-v-i-lenin http://naenara.com.kp/main/index/en/first On August 4, 2001, Kim Jong Il visited the Lenin Mausoleum on Red Square in Moscow, an event that caught the attention of the international community. During the time of the Soviet Union, Red Square had been called a sacred place of the country and the world revolution. It was a moral convention for party and state leaders from socialist countries visiting the Soviet Union to go to the mausoleum and pay their respects to Lenin, the great leader of the international working class and founder of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and the Soviet state. However, following the collapse of the Soviet Union, the convention disappeared. Slander and insults against him were officially allowed, and attempts were even made to remove his mausoleum. In this situation, it was no wonder the Korean officials accompanying Kim Jong Il were apprehensive when he said he wanted to visit the mausoleum. However, Kim Jong Il dug his heels in. He said to the officials: "I will go to the Lenin Mausoleum during this visit to Russia no matter what anyone says. I’m going to the mausoleum out of the moral obligation of a genuine revolutionary to his leader. If anyone finds fault with my visit he will be betraying his own meanness and depravity. A jewel shines even in mud. The world will come to know what the noble moral obligation of a genuine revolutionary is if we visit the mausoleum, at a time when it is being abandoned and insulted by renegades of the revolution. We must visit the Lenin Mausoleum as planned, no matter what anyone else says." In the course of the previous ten years no foreign party and state leaders had visited the Lenin Mausoleum and Sentry Post No.1 of the guard of honour had disappeared. Red Square had looked desolate. That day, however, the square was enveloped in a ceremonial mood. Kim Jong Il slowly approached the mausoleum, a solemn look on his face. Then he stepped on the pavement under the midsummer sun. August 4 is the day when the Lenin Mausoleum, subjected to humiliation from reactionaries of all hues, met its saviour. Comrade Kim Jong Il’s visit to the mausoleum was a great and courageous act which instilled in the revolutionaries of the whole world, who are fighting for socialism, inexhaustible strength and courage, and a historic event which confirmed their belief that only when they follow a man like Kim Jong Il can the socialist movement achieve certain victory. The noble respect the leader of the socialist cause of the 21st century paid to the pioneer of the socialist cause of the 20th century is a stirring event which shows the moral obligation of Kim Jong Il as a leader of the cause of global independence.
>>786984 Based
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>>786984 Interestingly, KJU removed state symbolism of Lenin & Marx after ascension. Their presence in school textbooks was allegedly removed as well.
>>788731 KJU is a traitor
>>788731 "You had to look hard to find some portrait of Lenin, tucked away in some obscure corner. (…) the revisionist wasp had begun to implant its poisonous sting there, too.” - Enver Hoxha
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>>788731 That was only from the Ministry of Trade building on Kim Il Sung Square. Portraits of Kim Il Sung were also removed from there at the same time. Their school textbooks still teach about Marx, Engels and other communists, they were never removed. https://archive.org/details/DPRKTexts/mode/2up
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>>784359 >kim dynasty North Korea isn't a monarchy and juche isn't a religion either
>>788850 >Portraits of Kim Il Sung were also removed from there at the same time Proof?
>>788964 Il Sung and Jong Il (and now Jong Un) still have portraits infront of the library. The portraits of Marx and Lenin were removed from good and not restored.
>>788823 >Leninism is when you have pictures of Lenin By this logic the post-Stalin USSR was the most anti-revisionist ML state ever. Also the previous sentence in that quote was a complaint about how portraits of the leader Kim Il Sung were everywhere. Which is rather hypocritical coming from someone like Enver Hoxha.
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>>786984 https://kcnawatch.org/newstream/1597831434-35050869/stalin%e2%80%99s-sincerity/ Date: 19/08/2020 | Source: Naenara (En) | President Kim Il Sung paid an official visit to the then Soviet Union in Juche 38 (1949). Stalin prepared a grand banquet for Kim Il Sung and personally delivered a speech. In his speech, he highly praised Kim Il Sung as a genuine proletarian internationalist and a model of communist who had helped the Soviet Union at the cost of blood from the invasion of imperialism and defended it with arms in the East. Noting that his country could build socialism under the current peaceful situation thanks to the struggle of genuine communists like Kim Il Sung, he proposed expressing thanks to him with applause. Stormy applause lasted for a long time. At that time, he presented Kim Il Sung a deluxe car “ZIM”, the cream of the auto industry of the then Soviet Union. It was a bulletproof car of new type manufactured on the initiative and order of Stalin.
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Why these people? I don't see any big names any here nor recognise anyone outside of what appears to be Kim Su-Gil on the far right bottom row. Are these people retired or something?
>>789775 lmao literally /gang gang/
>>789775 >Present at the ceremony were KPA Vice Marshal Pak Jong Chon, who is chief of the KPA General Staff, commanding officers of the services and corps levels units of the KPA, director of the Defence Department of the KPA, minister of State Security, minister of Public Security, chief of the Guard Command, director of the Guard Department, chief of the Guard Section, director of the Guard Department of the State Affairs Commission and other leading commanding officers of the armed forces at all levels and members of the executive committee of the KPA Committee of the WPK. >Cadres of the WPK Central Committee were also present there. https://kcnawatch.org/newstream/1595910645-961934931/supreme-leader-kim-jong-un-confers-paektusan-commemorative-pistols-on-leading-commanding-officers-of-dprk-armed-forces/
>>789775 Those pistols are really sick looking
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These are the pistols they were gifted
>>789788 I couldn't see Pak Jong-Chon for the life of me even though I sweeped for him. Still curious that alot of (formerly) big people aren't here >Ri Myong-Su >Ri Yong-Gil >Kim Jong-Gak >Pak Yong-Sik
Where is this "DPRK bans pets" thing coming from? I even saw it in my local news. Any sources to debunk it?
>>789788 This is peak bureaucracy, fancy commemorative pistols while your country still doesn’t have great quality of life outside of Pyongyang.
Sending nothing to North Korea... except love!
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>>790760 >a country can only do one thing at a time >>790749 There is a new propaganda campaign about how Kim has supposedly ordered every dog owner to give their dogs up for food
>>790749 >Any sources to debunk it There's no source to prove it in the first place
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>>790760 It feels pretty gangster and gives some ammo to accusations I've seen from U.S. think-tank types who describe North Korea as run by a crime family. Well, if that's your problem with the DPRK, then look at the U.S... If North Korea is run by an equivalent of the Mafia, well I'll say at least you can get a free drink from the Mafia once in awhile. Organized crime is probably better than disorganized crime at the end of the day too, and if North Korea has organized crime the U.S. you could say probably has disorganized crime, and organized crime has always been better at treating a lady nicely than disorganized crime. Laibach went to North Korea, performed there and talked to people, and there were certain things they appreciated about the country -- the people have no sense of sarcasm or cynicism in their humor, and they received nothing but warmth and generosity from the people, which seemed nice. There's also something extremely metal and honestly sort of terrifying about DPRK propaganda... like I was watching videos from this one song called "Hold the Weapons Firmly," and there are two different video versions. One has an image of soldiers marching arm-in-arm with workers, men and women, but their faces are identical. And the end of both videos has these zoom shots of soldiers marching, in one it's an entire company of 300~ soldiers violently goosestepping down the street as this chorus belts out how millions of rifles rest on millions of shoulders which are marching down the revolutionary road. https://youtu.be/34qrRwYwgb4 https://youtu.be/Qahjxhp0Tco That kind of singular, collective purpose is pretty awesome. Really frightening but awesome. Kinda reminds me of Zizek where he said that Hitler "wasn't violent enough" compared to Stalin, meaning that the violence against Jews, gypsies, the disabled, etc. was really only "necessary" because his attempts to fix Germany didn't work. He needed to kill so many people to support the narrative that it was those being killed who were keeping Germany from being great. That he "wasn't violent enough," means that in order to have succeeded in his plans, he would have had to to actually enact real change rather than just kill people and hope the situation resolved itself. There's also this phenomenon of trans people who are very pro-DPRK. I see reactionaries comment on this a lot out there. But the DPRK seems like an androgynous system in some respects, certainly that image of the people marching, arm-in-arm, look that way. Which is also something I don't have any issue with.
>an androgynous system in some respects, certainly that image of the people marching, arm-in-arm, look that way The most liberal shit i've read today. There are cultural windows between east Asian socialism/egalitarianism and gender equality to twitter [email protected] with their genderbinary twitter pronoun horseshit and lgbtbbq flags weaved by dirt poor kids in a sweatshop on the other side of the globe. There's no analogy or parallel, only contrasts.
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>>791064 Well I think that's part of the appeal. But also, the U.S. delegate of the Korean Friendship Association, the North Korean government's official cultural liaison agency, is a trans woman. I prefer to look at what unites people, not divides them. Just speaking for myself, personally.
>>791059 cringe
>>791076 What's cringe
>>791074 the U.S. delegate of the Korean Friendship Association, the North Korean government's official cultural liaison agency exists so that they can print out a 100 word article in their newspapers about how 'Friendship with American Proletariat established', funnily enough without mentioning that the 'Comrade Spokesperson for the Kimilsungist-Kimiljongist movement in America' is some fat transhumanist >>791077 critical support for our kim and may he bury the corpse of amerikkka but there is no need to be a cringy dprkboo, your fat western ass would be useless there
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lmfao transhumanist good one mods
Someone refute this: >North Korea deserved to get bombed by the US because they invaded first and destroyed much of South Korea
>>791622 >12-15% of all North Korean citizens deserved to die because they wanted to kick out the US backed dictator who held half their country hostage
>>791647 Who had it better at the time? The North or South? Who gave their people better conditions?
>>791622 More like the US invaded Korea first
>>791680 The North had better living standards than the South until the 80s. The South was run by those who collaborated with Japanese (and switched to collaborating with Americans) while the North was led by those who fought against the Japanese. There were massive rebellions by socialists and patriotic groups against the southern regime in the late 40s and early 50s which were brutally crushed.
>>792221 Can you provide sources for these? In particular to the first one, by what measures where their living standards better?
>>792242 Basically every source about the DPRK economy, even the sources which are anti-DPRK say that their economy and living conditions were originally superior to the south. For example, US Library of Congress: http://countrystudies.us/north-korea/16.htm http://countrystudies.us/north-korea/46.htm Also these are some examples of rebellions/massacres during the US military government and the puppet southern government that came after it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autumn_Uprising_of_1946 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodo_League_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeju_Uprising https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeosu-Suncheon_Rebellion
What was that one poll that said one of the Kims had a higher approval rating among South Koreans than the actual South Korean president?
>>791622 South Korea literally killed more of their own people in and after the war than the DPRK ever did. Some high estimates go up to 3 millions massacred by the dictatorship in South Korea. >Reunification is bad because you country is split apart by imperialist forces If the people using this argument is American, cite their own civil war as proof.
Still utterly baffled to this day why KJU spat on the olive branches that the south extended to him repeatedly past year, and iced the cake with the recent insults and threats to Moon over the border balloons incident. Very bad sport, not only from a rational level but also on the political scheme. He was high on track on demonstrating that he can talk peace and make amends while Trump was the one who walked out on him but he ended up doing the same thing that Trump did (and worse). I can't explain this behavior other than KJU wanting to assert control on his country by bringing back the "external threat" that so many despotic governments utilise as the mortar that keeps their people in line. KJU's direct exposure to the South in 2018 may have also opened his eyes that peace and reunification may bring alot more cultural exposure and interaction between his people and south side Koreans. Which will present to DPRK citizens a radically different image of the south then what they keep seeing on TV and their media.
>8th WPK Congress gonna be held on January of next year >Will discuss a new five year plan Looks like KJU is gonna bring party congresses back on track.
>>793753 The DPRK demanded at the very minimum that the South would legalize leftist parties and unions, and try to demand from the US to withdraw some of their troops. None of this have been even attempted to do. You are still being jailed in South Korea for being so much as a SuccDem or trying to form a union.
>>793660 >Support for Kim is now nearly as high as it is for Moon, who scored an 86 percent rating It's not this one, I think the one I was referring to was from the early 2000s and was at a time when the South Korean president got caught up in some major scandal or something. >>793915 Here's a socdem party that exists in South Korea: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Progressive_Party_(South_Korea) Why do you say it's illegal?
>>793915 >>793929 Being a socdem is not illegal as long as you are not considered to be "pro North". Anything to the left of socdem is illegal under the anti-communist "National Security Act".
>>793959 This is one example of a socdem party which was dissolved for allegedly being pro-North https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Progressive_Party
>>793915 That's a strong double-standard, given the political freedom situation in the north....
>>796737 The Democratic People's Republic at least allows succdems unlike the occupied south...
Anyone else from SK? I've seen some open leftists with placards on the streets and have even glanced at the audience when some marxist came over to give a lecture. And for some inexplicable reason, 80% of the people there are girls. 20-30 yr old girls. Why? I don't have a friggin goddamn clue why. My best guess is that being associated with "far-left" politics is social and business suicide, but it's not like these girls don't have jobs either. Really, really weird. I have no idea what's going on.
>>796757 >Marxist lectures in SK Yeah gonna need proof for this
>>796748 DPRK also has designated seats in parliament for Koreans who live in Japan.
>>796863 You mean Chongryon. Which is a fake political party that answers to the WPK and handles Nork migrants in Japan by funding schools that teach North Korean curriculum. It's also balls-deep in NK politics and has been shown many times to be answering directly to Pyongyang. It's the de-facto diplomatic medium for NK in Japan (there are no official diplomatic ties between these countries).
How many times in the American media going to report this guy is dead? This is the 2nd time this year for fucks sake.
>>797861 american always takes bait
>>797861 >"Kim Jong-un is in a coma" says increasingly-nervous man for the second time this year
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>>789775 maximum drip
>>797861 They saw clickbait potential after the recent literal fake news about Kim Yo Jong receiving more power and authority. Which is completely unfounded and has no source (the last promotion she received was several months ago). Headlines a few days ago were "Kim Yo Jong is de facto second in command". Now the sights are lined up for "KJU is dead" fake news. I swear to fucking god this is intentional and pre-planned and someone is banking hard off of it.
>>798118 They like the idea of a girlboss type of character, and a bunch of sexually frustrated lunatics on the right and sexually clamped up women from the left can froth with lust and envy.
>>796876 >designated seats in WPK congress >"fake political party that answers to WPK" well, no shit. They're quite literally an aid organization for north-alligned Koreans in Japan. There was no claim they were a politically independent or opposition faction.
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>>798123 Already found picrel for that one
>>798455 >newspaper states the leader can predict weather >people dream of travelling to Czechoslovakia and the GDR The video starts off with stating a crock of bullshit. Thats my opinion.
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Nu Echo of Truth vid, soybois >Mindullae(Dandelion) Notebook Factory with Un A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-M4CNFAliAk
>>798455 Yeah, DPRK is a poor country. shocker! The slums there still look better than latam shanty towns
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Reading this shit, pretty good for understanding the actual lives of people in the DPRK and the history of the Party, but it gets really cringe when predicting the future of Korea.
>>798580 I know kek, I asked opinions before watching it. Socialism when you aren't a superpower or can't mantain a succesfull autarky ends up ugly. If not look at Vuvuzela
>>798626 (me) Looks to me that it's a liberal trip (going into bad places) channel, idk russian so I can't know the rest of the catalog.
>>798561 >likes/dislikes disabled Kek. Not that the original ratios were organic. The contrast between comments and likes & dislikes made me feel like Youtube was intentionally manipulating the dislikes. I wonder if this channel will get terminated at some point by the "free west".
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>>798561 >Dandelions Based. I have lots of these in my front garden, beautiful little flowers.
>>796876 >handles Nork migrants in Japan by funding schools that teach North Korean curriculum. >Nork migrants Fuck off, those guys where moved there during the Japanese occupations of were refugees in the Korean War. Also, that they teach the North Korean curriculum is a good thing, Abe has been revising Japanese textbooks to glorify Japanese militarism again, and the DPRK curriculum includes stuff like historical materialism.
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>>800182 This is good and based. Here's hoping its gonna damage the reputation of NK journalism even more.
this nigga dead or what
>>802042 He "dies" several times every year according to western media.
>>802042 He's immortal, don't worry.
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When will they stop taking the bait?
>>804819 Why do they keep starting these rumors? What do they get out of this?
>>804835 slow news day
>>804819 NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I want his sexy hot sister to take over
>>805870 coomers >>>/GET/ out
>>804835 Views = ads = profit.
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All in all does anyone think his sister will actually take charge if he somehow croaks? I feel it's way more likely the WPK will elect someone like Kim Yong Chul or Cho Ryong Hae in his place as state affairs commission chairman.
>>805916 Considering her promotions I imagine she would become a central figure in their cult of personality if Kim Jong-Un dies. She might not actually be put in charge, but you never know. I wish they would drop the whole cult of personality thing or just keep it to Kim Il-Sung, but I guess it is a central part of their domestic propaganda strategy.
https://youtu.be/DFudpak80Cs What kind of disgusting crap is this?
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Why does NK do retarded projects like this one? What's the use of a fucking skyscraper in a communist country? peak LARP tbh
>>816463 >What's the use of a fucking skyscraper in a communist country? To make more efficient use of urban land.
>>816463 What about it is "larp" you spanner?
>>756902 Huh, that's the first time I saw footage of the Korean war. You never hear about the Korean war. Like, very rarely. How come anyway?
>>816516 >hey look we got a skyscraper hotel over here even though we LARP as based oldschool communists in a sea of degenerate capitalism and market exploitation It's LARP no matter from which lens you view it.
>>816524 You don't watch enough stuff about Korean history. Almost every video like this that talks North Korea is often gonna start with how it came to be and the Korean war. Which is technically still "ongoing" with a ceasefire in place.
>>816463 Build up not across?
>>816463 >What's the use of [instert thing] in a communist country? I'm tired of these idiots.
>>816524 >You never hear about the Korean war No, it is usually the first thing that is mentioned when talking about the division of Korea. What is usually not mentioned is the fact that the Soviets helped the Koreans to establish their own government, meanwhile the US installed a military governorate run by the US Army which transitioned into a US puppet regime.
>>804819 >bait >implying that Kim isn’t immortal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWslouuIdWo Someone has full vid of this concert?
How real are religious freedoms in North Korea? Is it true that at least 200,000 Christians have gone missing in the country since 1953? Do people with Bibles get executed/tortured?
>>830788 Christianity is not prohibited in DPRK. There is an official organization for Christians with several thousand members from Protestant and Orthodox churches. Also there is a political party in coalition with the WPK representing believers in Chondoism, a Korean syncretic religion with elements of Korean shamanism and Buddhism. Around 14% of the population is Chondoist.
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Because kim's sister holds genuine power?
>>830788 Looks like it's completely suppressed from state aesthetics/symbolism.
What's up guys, iFunny retard here with an "epic" dprk post! Please enjoy the cringe!
I remember reading old archived threads on the DPRK and something that interested me was an anon who was explaining how for some time, there was no commodity production in the DPRK and the example he gave was about the collectivized agriculture and the relation with the state. Basically he explained how for a long time in the DPRK the way it worked was that farmers would sell 100% of the shit they grew to the state at a fixed price, and according to him, in comparison to the USSR, the same thing was done except they only had to sell 70% to the state, and the other 30% they could sell it at artels and whatnot (at changing prices according to demand, inflation, and whatnot, like a regular market) So in the USSR this 30% you could sell freely was an example of commodity production and exchange value. Now apparently, the DPRK now does this as well, instead of them having to sell all their crops to the state, but for a long time this was the way it worked. Basically my question is a little off topic to the DPRK but essentially I want to know why selling all your crop production to the state at a fixed price isn't considered commodity production and why, I'd really appreciate an explanation, thank you.
>>483332 why is this like a movie trailer
>>834033 BRUH DO THEY EVEN KNOW WHAT A USB IS im gonna say it fuck these condescending arrogant westerners**
>>836372 They don't build unique computers from the ground up, they import. Computers built 15 years ago already got USB ports.
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>>789775 >no trigger-discipline >>791059 Good analysis, I had similar thoughts on their "androgynous" vision of society although I wouldn't call it like that. The DPRK is one of the least sexist country on the planet and it really shows. >>791074 Who the fuck thought it would be a good idea to include this obviously mentally-ill man into this project? Good way to discredit the DPRK and their supporter even more. I recall trying to listen to one of his interview on the Iron-Curtain podcast and I couldn't listen to it more than 10 seconds before my whole body froze in cringe from hearing his try-hard feminine voice. >>816721 >even though we LARP as based oldschool communists in a sea of degenerate capitalism and market exploitation Holy shit kill yourself my dude, real life doesn't work like your Twitter safe-space. On other matters, I've been reading the DPRK international monthly magazines and I can't help but cringe and laugh at the badly photoshoped masks in most pictures. I feel bad for the dude who made this. Do you guys have any idea why they did that? Is it to prevent Westerners from making propaganda about the people not wearing masks? Don't they even know about the Streisand effect? I'm pretty sure most pictures are from before the covid-19 outbreak too so it make even less sense to do this. In case anyone want to take a look for themselves, link here: http://www.korean-books.com.kp/en/ This only proves one thing to me, that the North Korean government is not that super-powerful entity that is constantly lying about themselves and producing super-propaganda to dupe the world. Well, we already knew that but the fact that they can't even photoshop masks correctly into low res pictures shows the extreme limits that their propaganda's capability.
>>791622 Let me give you some crash course on Korean history since 1945 >Japanese get BTFO'd by Soviets in Manchurian Strategic Invasion of 1945 >Soviets liberate Manchuria (it was occupied by Japan since 1930's and ruled by a puppet government) and Korea (occupied by Japan since 1910) >Japan surrenders to the US to prevent Hirohito from getting Romanov'd by Soviets >Soviets and Americans occupy the Korean peninsula to set up a government and promise peninsula wide elections >People's Republic of Korea is established with support from all brands of people that resisted the Japanese occupation (communists, social democrats, Korean nationalists and general anti-imperialists) >Several anti-American riots, protests, strikes and uprisings take place but they're suppressed by American forces under John Reed Hodge. Several massacres take place. From Jeju Uprising of 1948-49 to Daegu Uprising of 1946 >Americans realise that if the elections take place the peninsula will elect le Godless gommunizmz >they forcefully disband People's Republic of Korea and later establish the Republic of Korea in their southern occupation zone. They suddenly "rehabilitate" Japanese collaborators. >In response Democratic People's Republic of Korea is established in the north with communists in charge. Their government consists of people who resisted the Japanese from day 1. >North sees the attacks on the anti-imperialists as an attack on the Korean sovereignty and Syngman Rhee as a mere puppet since he had no mandate to rule over Korea >Persecution of communists increase >South rattles their sabre against the north while north still hopes for a democratic reunification and reestablishment of the People's Republic of Korea >Seeing the continued massacres they decide to unite via force
>>837471 >no trigger-discipline I like that you refuse to wear glasses even if you need them.
>>837471 >Who the fuck thought it would be a good idea to include this obviously mentally-ill man into this project? Good way to discredit the DPRK and their supporter even more. Considering how demonized they are, the DPRK accepts anybody to represent their liaison organizations or Juche study groups, no matter how weird. This led to embarrassing affairs before, when they supported an American redneck Hindu Pol Pot white supremacist death cult, only when they started to openly say Nazi stuff in their name they stopped supporting them. Cuba has big friendship groups in every Western country, while the DPRK for many is seen as the most totalitarian tyranny ever to have existed, and their efforts to spread Juche alongside Marxism-Leninism have largely been unsuccesful - beggars can't be choosers, and this Natalie person is very clearly autistic and probably thinks about the DPRK every minute, it's basically free propaganda for them, because let's be honest, North Korean propaganda outreach is stuck in the 1970s. This new YouTube channel "Echo of Truth" is a step in the right direction. I would run their social media for free and teach them classes on social media communication and outreach (I know they regularly invite Bitcoin experts) if they would let me. I'd do it for free.
>>838223 (the reason that I know that they are in desperate need of social media competence is that on "Echo of Truth" they often like anti-DPRK comments because they don't understand how irony works on the internet nor do they know the jargon or know what a meme is)
Okay, yeah this is weird, but does anybody think that all those Kim doing things pictures that are uploaded on KCNA are actually really cute? Just check out the photo section.
>>838252 i think kim's cute
did juchefags actually go and beat up the ambassador of cuba
>>838324 If by "Juchefags" you mean North Korean citizens, yes, there seemingly was an incident once. I doubt it would happen today, DPRK has changed too since the 80s or whatever.
>>838324 No, the way that incident happened was that some people on the street surrounded the Cuban ambassadors car and shouted insults at him, presumably because they misidentified the Cuban flag as an American flag. When police saw this, they beat up the crowd.
not doubting that that might have been the case, but is there a citation about the mistaking of the flag?
>>816463 the much more important question is how did they managed to make it actually look scifi, while all the technically super advanced sky scrapers in cities like Dubai kinda don't look scifi
>>838324 Good fuck those revisionist cubans
>>838376 >is there a citation about the mistaking of the flag Not really, but in their apology to the ambassador, the DPRK officials did admit that the quality of their education system at that time was poor and that the average person could not distinguish between friend and foe. >Ri Hyo-sun received the Cuban ambassador on the same day for a four-hour meeting. The meeting took place in the building in which the work for South Korea is performed. As they entered these spaces, Ri Hyo-sun told him that no ambassador had ever entered this house outside of Pyongyang. [Apparently a gesture meant to impress the Cuban ambassador..] First Ri Hyo-sun lectured for nearly an hour, stating among other things that the leadership of the Party in the DPRK was at a very low level. He said the cadre do not understand how to perform true political and ideological education, they command the masses and work with instructions and orders. The level of training of the masses is extremely low. They cannot differentiate between friends and foes. They completely misinterpret our call for revolutionary vigilance. All of the militia members who were involved in the incident have been arrested, as well as the members of the Party's district leadership and the Party cadre of the street committee. The Party secretaries of the district committee were also arrested; they were not in Pyongyang during the incident. Those arrested will be held until the investigation has concluded. The Cuban ambassador will be informed of the results. He said Kim Il Sung had also authorized him to hold meetings with the Party cadre in Pyongyang, and that officials from the Foreign Ministry would address issues of behavior toward foreigners at these meetings. https://digitalarchive.wilsoncenter.org/document/112305
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>>838131 See pic related Maybe it's because they know the guns are unloaded but still, the second dude to the right of Kim Jong-un could literally kill him if he pulled the trigger by accident should the gun have been loaded. >>838223 >>838230 >this Natalie person is very clearly autistic and probably thinks about the DPRK every minute I laughed out-loud >I would run their social media for free and teach them classes on social media communication and outreach (I know they regularly invite Bitcoin experts) if they would let me. I'd do it for free. You should reach out to them, or else what you just said is worthless and you might as-well just have shut-up instead of humble-bragging. >>838324 >juchefag How are twitter anarchists not able to see how cringy and retarded their buzzword sound like outside of their echo-chambers? Like that time they actually went out and projected a text saying "Tankies fuck off" on the fucking Chinese embassy, I'm pretty sure that's not how you reach out toward the working class. Imo they should stick to propaganda of the deeds (but that would require them to be more than liberals with edgy aesthetics). >>838341 >they misidentified the Cuban flag as an American flag Source?
>>838510 Literally nobody has the finger on his trigger.
>>838510 >Source? I just mentioned it as a possibility. The actual reason for the crowd to harass the ambassador was never stated, but a DPRK official admitted to that ambasssador that the masses at the time had a low level of political education, could not differentiate between friend and foe, and that they misinterpreted the call for revolutionary vigilance.
>>838636 I sincerely hope you will never get your hands on a gun >>838649 So you just made shit up, at least be honest when saying this kind of things
>>839229 >I sincerely hope you will never get your hands on a gun I see, your eyes are good, it's that you have arthritis.
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Once again, western media projects their sins onto the DPRK
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If Kim held a military parade this year it would be the ultimate way to flex on coofing nations and finish off the reporting about NK's coronavirus situation
>>838510 >muh trigger discipline Genuine autism from someone that barely understands guns.
Have you guys seen this documentary? It's probably the best one I watched. https://youtu.be/StjIv33zJ9c
Reasking this: I remember reading old archived threads on the DPRK and something that interested me was an anon who was explaining how for some time, there was no commodity production in the DPRK and the example he gave was about the collectivized agriculture and the relation with the state. Basically he explained how for a long time in the DPRK the way it worked was that farmers would sell 100% of the shit they grew to the state at a fixed price, and according to him, in comparison to the USSR, the same thing was done except they only had to sell 70% to the state, and the other 30% they could sell it at artels and whatnot (at changing prices according to demand, inflation, and whatnot, like a regular market) So in the USSR this 30% you could sell freely was an example of commodity production and exchange value. Now apparently, the DPRK now does this as well, instead of them having to sell all their crops to the state, but for a long time this was the way it worked. Basically my question is a little off topic to the DPRK but essentially I want to know why selling all your crop production to the state at a fixed price isn't considered commodity production and why, I'd really appreciate an explanation, thank you.
>>847641 Sorry to derail your question because I wold argue selling 30% of crops at an Artel according to market prices is also not capitalist commodity production. Unless the farmer then reinvested the money earned from selling crops into buying equipment for the farm to increase the next harvest. If the farmer simply took the money and purchased consumer goods that is a C-M-C circuit and not capitalist commodity production. So could there exist non-capitalist commodity production? In otherwords, producing goods for the purpose of exchange, but with the intent of acquiring use values at the end of the exchange, not the intent of making more money.
>>847966 Can you explain to me the difference between capitalist commodity production and a C-M-C circuit?
>>847211 The guys who filmed this seem to have a "I don't know what is life like in a 3rd World country" nation. I live in a 3rd World country that is a close western ally and many of the things portrayed here don't seem weird to me. From wedding photos near country's founders to state of villages. My village didn't have electricity, running water or indoors toilets untill early 2000's. I don't expect DPRK to be heaven on earth but from what I saw in documentaries it seems like a fairly good 3rd World nation.
>>848413 commodities are sold for money to get other commodities. C M C in capitalist commodity production, commodities are created and sold to create more money, M C M'
>>848435 I see, thank you. Ultimately for my original question I guess we can only know if we know what the farmers did with the money they got, maybe it was only spent on consumer good or reinvested in new machinery (though I can imagine perhaps the state did this for them). I still gotta read way more theory, commodity production still confuses me and pretty much all info I know on it I've gotten it from this site.
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juchefags will defend this
>>850484 What is this? Looks like a Juche Best Western
>>850484 Is that a church?
>>499725 will they keep the east german ones in a museum? east german technology is pretty rare nowadays - would love to see it preserved.
>>598632 rok glowies are the worst. vile creatures
>>850484 >>850492 >>850495 just some rec center
>>838510 seems to me that its not that so many have their finger on the trigger. its that there fingers are straight over the trigger, not on but in a way that it may look that way.
>>848435 So there is such a thing as commodity production in a socialist economy? This resource seems to indicate that commodity production occurs in any society that isn't based on subsistence agriculture, is that true?: https://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/Commodity+production
>>844236 https://www.dw.com/en/north-korea-military-parade-will-send-a-message-to-the-world/a-54867169 Holy fucking based 10 October >10 October 10 October >10 October 10 October >10 October 10 October >10 October 10 October >10 October
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>>859702 The North Koreans sailors managed to defeat the pirates in a gunfight and take back their own ship after which the pirates were handed over to US Navy.
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>>863658 This is a song for all my unit dweller niggas out there. *scratch sound* Hey hey, ho ho, let's go baby, let's go! I'm Min-joon and I'm a bad ass nigga dwelling in my unit in North Ko-rea. Concrete are my walls and concrete is my roof Socialism works and I'm living proof. Concrete are my conditions and concrete is my life - the only thing abstract? That would be my wife. I live in my unit and in your head chorus: RENT FREE You might not like it but freedom chorus: AIN'T FREE At least I'm not crawled up like a lackey chorus: HONKIE At least I'm not like the Southerns - bitches to the chorus: YANKIE So when my main man Kimmy J. visits my village we prepare some serious gogi-gui grillage, we open up a beer can and it goes *squirt* and we reminisce about all the butthurt we caused by firing a few of our rockets making spaghetti fall out from Trump's pocket. And as the sun goes down we say bye to Kimmy J. (I look into his eyes and wish we were both gay) I close my concrete door and lay down onto my bed and think to myself: this unit ain't half bad. I live in my unit and in your head chorus: RENT FREE You might not like it but freedom chorus: AIN'T FREE At least I'm not crawled up like a lackey chorus: HONKIE At least I'm not like the Southerns - bitches to the chorus: YANKIE
Give it to me straight comrades, how difficult is Article 80 of the constitution?
>>864161 >straight comrades is this a wordfilter?
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>>864161 It has become a lot more difficult since the end of the Cold War
>Kim Jong Un sends Birthday Greetings to Syrian President Bashar Al-Assad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZ9z7yRl10o
Any idea where can I find authentic porn from north Korea?
>>868990 porn is illegal and age of consent is 28.
>>869012 Leaked amateur porn? I want to fuck north Korean military girl
Why did Kim Jong-un execute his uncle, Jang Song-thaek? Is there a debunk to the 120 dogs thing?
>>874161 Thaek built a faction loyal to him in the military. KJU was indecisive and meek during his early ascension, it's all in the grey but I assume Thaek took advantage of this to absorb some authority and influence. There was a dispute over fisheries that were ordered transferred from civilian authority to the KPA and there as allegedly a shootout between soldiers loyal to Thaek and the KPA against the transfer of these fisheries away from Thaek's authority to KPA control. This is what (allegedly) led to his execution. >Is there a debunk to the 120 dogs thing It has no proof. That debunks it. Just like Hyon Yong-chol was "executed by anti-aircraft guns" had no proof (and subsequently his whole execution was debunked).
>>864161 impossible for the average shmoe, they will imprison and eventually deport you if you don't have at least a master's or phd in a highly sought field (STEM) and you'd want fluency in korean (besides english) for good measure, maybe they'll also want at least a $100k donation. also you'll be separated from the general population and live in a foreign diplomat bubble.
>>874407 I doubt this is true. NK is desperate for good optics, and one of them is their desire for defectors/foreigners in NK.
>>875066 let us know how it works out for you
>>875066 They accepted South Korean and Japanese defectors during the Cold War, but people who try that now are more likely to be interrogated and deported. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/south-korean-defectors-flee-to-north-korea-in-search-of-better-life-but-end-up-in-detention-for-up-8909299.html
I hear libs say of "Korean reunification" aka North Korea becomes a colony but how likely is this actually?
>>875262 >>864161 >>864421 >>874407 >>875066 >>875074 >>875262 >"The DPRK shall grant the right of asylum to foreign nationals persecuted for struggling or peace and democracy, national independence and socialism for the freedom of scientific and cultural pursuit." It's specifically made for political refugees escaping from rightoid persecution, so unless the US becomes a Pinochet-esque dictatorship and leftists start getting arrested, I doubt they'll take you in for defecting.
>>880441 The type of reunification that both the DPRK and south Korean socdems want is a one country two systems type confederation
>>880441 Reunification in the literal sense is gonna mean one country capitulates to the other, so the "unification" that the DPRK has in mind is just a peace deal and confederation. This is unlikely from happening since peace talks completely foundered earlier this year and before that up to that point it was obvious that it was all LARP and KJU was just stalling. Some people here buy the balloons excuse but KJU gave Moon the cold shoulder a year before that.
>>880441 Kim Il Sung's 10 points for reunification
>>881699 >Some people here buy the balloons excus Bruh they sent over photoshopped porn with his wife's face on it
>>863658 Those houses are complete now and the flood victims have moved in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dJSbxbRjIU
>>882432 Watching this made me tear up a bit Well done best korea
>>882432 I'm glad to see that there is at least one country who have realized that people need houses to live in. That said, they need to stop with that horrible pastel color scheme because it hurts my eyes.
>>882488 >horrible pastel color scheme, look up the Juche flag, hammer sickle and paintbrush. Put a paintbrush in the communist flag and all the brutalism turns pastel colored. >hurts my eyes. hint, it's the same color as the festive clothing the women wear.
>>882531 >look up the Juche flag, hammer sickle and paintbrush. Put a paintbrush in the communist flag and all the brutalism turns pastel colored. Huh, wow, and lol. That's an interesting way of looking at it. By the way is Phuong DPRK Daily an official channel of the country? Are there any others?
>>883742 phuong isn't affiliated with the WPK, she's just from an DPRK/DDR family
>>527216 Based Vietanon
>>884143 Is there any information about her? How is her family from the DPRK but she posts on YouTube?
>>884221 Her mother was a DPRK citizen who studied in East Germany
>>838223 wait, how do I start a friendship group? what kind of credentials do I need?
>>882488 The worst thing is that they are replacing destroyed (by floods probably artificial) pretty houses with korean styled rooftops with this copy pasted trash that seems coming straight out from some neocolonial "mission" in Africa. It's an architectural genocide.
>>884612 >Kim paid the clouds to rain
>>884495 That school is impressive, I particularly like how the classrooms are sized to ensure the student teacher ratio stays good
This is an amazing upgrade in regards to the usual agitprop they do. Ver modern format. https://youtu.be/o_DeYuimqUg
>>885001 Very*
>>885001 they don't know A) basic noise reduction B) what a shotgun microphone is C) doing a quick vocal sound check to adjust microphone volume audio quality is infinitely more important than video quality for youtube audiences
>>885001 Doesn't really come across as propaganda More an explanation of how solidarity works aimed at people of very little brains
>>788897 >North Korea isn't a monarchy You people say that the Leader in DPRK is more like the British Queen (a royal) purely a figurehead. Don't you people want a leader? I dislike royalty being a tourist attraction at best, so why do anons suggest the same for the Leaders (like the royals)? It's strange how some anons reassure that DPRK has a constitution and the Leaders are really just figureheads and this is somehow different from the royalty (despite royals being exactly that, constitutional and ceremonial).
>>889877 They're hypocritical tankies who lost the ability to formulate opinions.
>>889877 >Lineage of Paektu That is a term referring to their revolutionary heritage of anti-Japanese resistance, not specifically to the Kim family. Any Korean who is not a Japanese or American collaborator is part of it.
>>889877 He is not exactly a ceremonial figurehead since he is the head of the army
>>889903 And the lineage of Mangyongdae? (isn't that where they say Kim II Sung was born?) >The mountain has been considered sacred by Koreans throughout history. According to Korean mythology, it was the birthplace of Dangun, the founder of the first Korean kingdom, Gojoseon (2333–108 BC), whose parents were said to be Hwanung, the Son of Heaven, and Ungnyeo, a bear who had been transformed into a woman. >Any Korean Eh, sometimes both leader and people are aligned. >>889905 Ceremonialists usually also have that. I'm not claiming that DPRK Leaders are royals (although maybe there are some things characteristic of royalty there, but I'd say in a good way).
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>>889896 the quality of the board has been abysmal as of lately
>>889978 Yes because calling tankie everything you don't like really helps the board
>>889970 Wow dude you're so fucking original
I like watching you people deny DPRK is a monarchy and I sit here feeling jealous of DPRK... wishing royal monarchies/royalists were more like DPRK.
>>883742 >>884143 I managed to get Phuong DPRK Daily to pin a comment I made once. It felt good.
>>890020 >deny DPRK is a monarchy It literally isn't though by any antiquated or modern definition of the term.
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>>890183 Sure, it is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. I explored that question in the 2nd pic related >>890155 here. You still do deny that DPRK is a monarchy regardless if it is or isn't.
>>890189 I'm not the anons from before >One of the main differences between a king and a leader is term limits No >You still do deny that DPRK is a monarchy regardless if it is or isn't I deny it because it isn't, at least not by any modern or historical view of the term.
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>>890200 >No Term limits are a defining feature between a statesman and a king... a king usually has a lifelong role, whereas a statesman does have term limits. But Kim Jong Un does play the part of a statesman (like your chart shows). What people talk about is the personal aspects like the badges with Kim II Sung and Kim Jong Un's faces on them and the personal power, coupled with the descriptions of the Leaders like fathers.
>>890225 Kim Jong Il badges not Kim Jong Un*
>>890225 >Term limits are a defining feature between a statesman and a king... a king usually has a lifelong role, whereas a statesman does have term limits Was Cromwell a king? Is literally every "totalitarian" leader a king? >What people talk about is the personal aspects like the badges with Kim II Sung and Kim Jong Un's faces on them and the personal power, coupled with the descriptions of the Leaders like fathers Is not a defining feature of kings. People of the past may have seen such things as kingly qualities, but that does not make those who have such qualities kings. Ducks may have qualities similar to that of Lions, but that does not make ducks and lions the same.
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>>890298 >Was Cromwell a king? Is literally every "totalitarian" leader a king? He was Lord Protector, but you could say they were going for a dynasty until he died and the Restoration came after. Kings are not always called kings. >when, according to the rules of the political science, the citizens rule and are ruled in turn, then he is called a statesmen Term limits play a part in this because a leader could take an office for a moment and then leave that office be ruled in term. This is why the US has the 22nd amendment or why George Washington started that tradition--having no term limits is generally considered a step towards monarchy... This is why when Caesar had the perpetual dictatorship, it did alarm them like he was going to be a king (even though he wasn't and denied a crown thrice). This is why Cincinnatus was known for civic virtue because he'd receive a position of authority and would later resign. Yes, no term limits is usually a trend towards monarchy. Cromwell and others could be called tyrants or dictators, but those are some like like a form of monarchy regardless of what people have to say. >Is not a defining feature of kings When the government is personal, the ruler is a king. The more personal it is, the closer it is to what was considered kingly--they compared this role to a shepherd who guides his flock with his person in antiquity... the Pharaohs had a crook and flail, and Mesopotamian kings would also be called shepherds. King David is another example--the shepherd was considered royal because it was personal rule in that instance. >2nd pic related "And therefore Homer has appropriately called Zeus 'father of the Gods and men,' because he is KING of them all." Using the face or personal appearance is totally similar to the personal charm in royals that they appear >People of the past may have seen such things as kingly qualities, but that does not make those who have such qualities kings. Certainly not, but it does inevitably draw them closer to being "kings in all but name". Caesar was a literal dictator, but his name was later used as a king of justification for "royal virtue" as seen in the Tsars and Kaisers. The closer you get to royalism in character, it simply takes a loophole.
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>>889978 Hahahaha yeah..
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I don't know why you're making a fuss over term limits, anon. I thought that in DPRK, they had term limits. I thought that would even vindicate you more.
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Every government does have a little bit of "monarchy" like I said, but it's usually a trend towards monarchy in general when there aren't temr limits. Sure, governments that aren't kingly sometimes do have royal characteristics. The US has the White House for their Presidents who play the executive role (like a monarch) and take their turns through term limits swapping in and out. You never see that same president after his term limits are fulfilled. White House, but kingly rule is household rule--you do see little tiny bits of kingly rule this way wherever. But say you have something like the Palace of Versailles, then that's a greater step towards royal monarchy. >for household management is kingly rule of a house, so kingly rule is household management of a city, nation, or many nations
>>890329 >Kings are not always called kings. But not everyone is a king because they have qualities similar to a king. >This is why the US has the 22nd amendment or why George Washington started that tradition--having no term limits is generally considered a step towards monarchy... And this is a stupid interpretation. >This is why when Caesar had the perpetual dictatorship, it did alarm them like he was going to be a king But he wasn't. That's the point. >Yes, no term limits is usually a trend towards monarchy. No more then any other system that doesn't utilize them. >Cromwell and others could be called tyrants or dictators, but those are some like like a form of monarchy regardless of what people have to say. Please, don't go full retard here. Because you are this close to adopting the burger liberal position on this. >When the government is personal, the ruler is a king. The more personal it is, the closer it is to what was considered kingly No, this is a personal view of what relations make a king held by you or others, it is not an actual material "by the letter" definition of a king. >Using the face or personal appearance is totally similar to the personal charm in royals that they appear Simply because royals utilized such a thing, does not make every system that has a figurehead used in such manner a monarchy. You should fucking know this. >Certainly not, but it does inevitably draw them closer to being "kings in all but name" You can't just claim everyone who wasn't a king is in fact a king because of the series of subjective qualities you apply to them, that's not how it works. >Caesar was a literal dictator, but his name was later used as a king of justification for "royal virtue" as seen in the Tsars and Kaisers. And that's retarded, becasue Caesar was not a king. >>890340 >I thought that in DPRK, they had term limits. I thought that would even vindicate you more. Which is why I don't get why you think its in any way a monarchy to begin with. I'm making the point on term limits as well though because they are not what defines a monarchy. >>890362 >Every government does have a little bit of "monarchy" like I said This reminds me of people who state that Y government has a little bit of X system (socialism, fascism, etc.) based on certain non-concrete qualities. Don't be like those people. >but it's usually a trend towards monarchy in general when there aren't temr limits. Stop playing EU4
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>>890431 >But he wasn't. That's the point. That's up to interpretation, but generally people look at the Roman Empire that came afterwards. Augustus had accumulated a ton of positions and that is somewhat reminiscent of how Kim Jong Un has all those positions in that chart. But like I was saying here, >>889877 you could end up with formally the Meiji system that appears like a monarchy, but that's not really how it is. I'm sure that Kim Jong Un or the leaders aren't muh totalitarian ebil monarchs controlling everything at a whim... But I think anons are right to say that when you have a cult of personality (because kingly rule is PERSONAL), it does tap into a royal energy. >Please, don't go full retard here. Because you are this close to adopting the burger liberal position on this. It's true. You don't always get the name "king" for every position... Like I said earlier with Roman Emperors, they were a kind of anti-royal monarchy, yet later royals would adopt the name "Caesar"--there are many different words for king. >it is not an actual material "by the letter" definition of a king. Well. take for instance, that kings could wear a crown--now do I think all kings by definition just wear crowns? Not really, tbh, because like Bossuet says, "I do not call majesty that pomp which surrounds kings or that exterior magnificence which dazzles the vulgar. That is but a reflection of majesty and not majesty itself. Majesty is the image of grandeur of God in the prince And says, The prince, as prince, is not regarded as a private personage: he is the public personage, all the state is in him; the will of all the people is included in his. As all perfection and all strength are united in God, so the power of all individuals is united in the PERSON of the Prince. What grandeur that a single man should embody so much! Now, a king only wears a crown for a temporary moment, and crowns are just a reflection of that personal rule--crowns are shaped to fit a person's head, and another way of expressing that kingship is personal--it doesn't necessarily need a crown. >And that's retarded, becasue Caesar was not a king. Yes, but his name and pre-eminent virtue is what pushed it on. Augustus made him a god... I think the pre-eminent man as the great founder is also a theme found in Kim II Sung, obviously. >Which is why I don't get why you think its in any way a monarchy to begin with Yes, but I always stress that the Leaders play a lifelong role despite the term limits. Do you just think it's coincidence, really? That they get those positions each time and happen to be considered "Leaders" for pretty much a lifetime? >based on certain non-concrete qualities Seems pretty concrete to me. You have statues of the Leaders and a dynasty pretty much. >Stop playing EU4 I think you're in denial when you just say, "No" to all those screencaps I showed you earlier. I don't think it's just Western propaganda or people playing stupid when they talk about DPRK that way or compare it to monarchy. Like I said, there are comparisons made.
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Sure, the Leaders aren't kings by contemporary definition. They are leaders in the modern sense with their political parties, the chief partisan... Just heed what I told you because there is such a thing as being "king in all but name". Being king is a taboo for leftists regardless if it's good or bad, I understand.
>>890505 >That's up to interpretation, but generally people look at the Roman Empire that came afterwards It's not up to interpretation, he literally wasn't. >Augustus had accumulated a ton of positions and that is somewhat reminiscent of how Kim Jong Un has all those positions in that chart. And I'm very sure you could argue a great many people are actually kings based on such a premise. >But I think anons are right to say that when you have a cult of personality (because kingly rule is PERSONAL), it does tap into a royal energy. That's a rather large assumption to make. Just because "kingly" rule is personal to you, it does not make personality cults king-like by extension, or mean they are tapping into some kind of unconscious "royal energy". >It's true Oh boy >You don't always get the name "king" for every position Never stayed this, but you can"t simply state everyone is a "king because they exhibit qualities that you associate with kings. >Now, a king only wears a crown for a temporary moment, and crowns are just a reflection of that personal rule--crowns are shaped to fit a person's head, and another way of expressing that kingship is personal--it doesn't necessarily need a crown. How exactly does this go against what I stated? >Yes, but his name and pre-eminent virtue is what pushed it on. Augustus made him a god... I think the pre-eminent man as the great founder is also a theme found in Kim II Sung, obviously You're really reaching with this one and drawing parallels to a situation with a completely different context to it. Being respected as a leader because of a set of virtues and those virtues being used as a framework for later leaders does not make such a situation analogous to Ceaser and Augustus. >Do you just think it's coincidence, really? That they get those positions each time and happen to be considered "Leaders" for pretty much a lifetime? No, I think the name does carry weight, and the fact that nothing has happened to explicitly tarnish it has certainly played a role in their election, but that does not make them monarchs. Call them "dictators" if you really want, but conflating "dictators" with kings is elementary level. >You have statues of the Leaders ...was this a joke? Regardless, leaders having statues is not an uncommon occurance or specific to monarchs. >a dynasty pretty much And? >I don't think it's just Western propaganda or people playing stupid when they talk about DPRK that way or compare it to monarchy. Like I said, there are comparisons made. Not really, it's pretty blatently not a monarchy, and you have to tilt those windmills pretty hard to see it differently. >>890541 >because there is such a thing as being "king in all but name" Sure, but the Kims aren't this. >Being king is a taboo for leftists regardless if it's good or bad, I understand. It's not about it being taboo or not, its just not the case here, leftist or otherwise.
>>890541 Moar of this cumslut?
>>890654 >That's a rather large assumption to make. Just because "kingly" rule is personal to you, it does not make personality cults king-like by extension, or mean they are tapping into some kind of unconscious "royal energy". Look at how they mummified Lenin and the Egyptian Pharaoh. SAME ENERGY! It is the same mentality with Kim II Sung and the Leaders. They want to preserve the person of Kim II Sung through his descendants--the same mentality about when I say that kingly rule is "personal". Except you autists paint it red and try to avoid being anything but a king like anarchists want anything but a state >And I'm very sure you could argue a great many people are actually kings based on such a premise. Mao had that song "Sailing the seas depends on the helmsman" and has his face with the Sun itself. Do I really need to explain the significance of having the Sun itself as your symbol? Do you think I like making these comparisons? I have equal disgust, but I have to admit sometimes you commies outdo the royals in certain instances. These feelings of "ew, monarchy" and me thinking "disgusting, revolutionary leaders" are mutually felt, but I have to admit that they sometimes do the similar practices. >Call them "dictators" if you really want, but conflating "dictators" with kings is elementary level. I consider a dictator a kind of monarch... Same with the king/tyrant parallel--oh, they say a tyrant isn't a king, just a bad king... still a kind of monarch. >Not really, it's pretty blatently not a monarchy, and you have to tilt those windmills pretty hard to see it differently. I imagine that in a world that hates monarchy and the idea of royals... if there was a resurgence of it in a new way, it would look like North Korea.
>>890657 >Look at how they mummified Lenin and the Egyptian Pharaoh. >SAME ENERGY! How? It's two completely different men, who occupied profoundly different positions, who's only connecting trait being that they were leaders. Honored warriors and saints in the past were buried in tombs more extravagant contextually then Lenin, and Lenin didn't even want to be buried in such a fashion. >It is the same mentality with Kim II Sung and the Leaders. They want to preserve the person of Kim II Sung through his descendants--the same mentality about when I say that kingly rule is "personal". Even assuming this presumption of intent, this does not make them kings. Your view of the "personal" being "kingly" is something that can autistically be applied to a myriad of systems and individuals, it is not definitive. >Except you autists paint it red and try to avoid being anything but a king like anarchists want anything but a state Why do you desire so hard to see kings literally everywhere? This comparison isn't even apt in the context of a revolutionary state, or the lack of such. >Mao had that song "Sailing the seas depends on the helmsman" and has his face with the Sun itself. Do I really need to explain the significance of having the Sun itself as your symbol? Does symbolism now make you a monarchist as well? The sun was a symbol far before monarchies were a thing as well, as a provider of guidance and life. Monarchs just took the symbolism associated with it already. >but I have to admit sometimes you commies outdo the royals in certain instances. These feelings of "ew, monarchy" and me thinking "disgusting, revolutionary leaders" are mutually felt, but I have to admit that they sometimes do the similar practices I'm glad I'm not an autist who tries to draw similarities based on superficial aspects like appearence and "symbolism" or policy such as term limits then. >I consider a dictator a kind of monarch.. Really now? I'm starting to feel like you're some kind of mirror flipped liberal, like some communists are just mirror flipped versions of their previous ideology. >if there was a resurgence of it in a new way, it would look like North Korea North Korea has a lot of very specific context to it, your unlikely to see anything like it elsewhere
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>>890667 >How? It's two completely different men, who occupied profoundly different positions, who's only connecting trait being that they were leaders. Honored warriors and saints in the past were buried in tombs more extravagant contextually then Lenin, and Lenin didn't even want to be buried in such a fashion. Lenin didn't want to be buried in such a fashion, but they used his personal image for political situation. In monarchy, it is very much about the personal image and the personal power, literally staring me in the eyes. Monarchy is a belief in the pre-eminent man, and while monarchists will say that monarchy is natural--I say that monarchy is supernatural in this way... it is an individual power magnified to a divine-like status. >Even assuming this presumption of intent, this does not make them kings. Your view of the "personal" being "kingly" is something that can autistically be applied to a myriad of systems and individuals, it is not definitive. Here's the thing. Different names, different positions, still point to the same thing sometimes. With leadership in general, just across the scale, and kings as one-man rulers, they harness the power of their person in a shepherd-like manner, like using their beauty or the unity in their person (because an individual man is an undivided man) to guide a people... Like I said with US Presidents... while it isn't a monarchy-based system, they still do play a part kind of like a monarch, and like I said as leaders they still have a form of "household" rule... even if they have term limits and swap positions. You need to look at how it is across the board. >North Korea has a lot of very specific context to it, your unlikely to see anything like it elsewhere Yes, DPRK is unique. But I think Kim II Sung is probably the most relevant image of the "pre-eminent" man that they talk about... as the "founding father" like how in the US they have a particular reverence to the "founding fathers". I wouldn't specify DPRK as a royal monarchy to the ideal status where Kim Jong Un is wearing a crown and having all the mannerisms of a royal. It's just that there are things about the way DPRK treats their leaders that almost outshines the royals from my pov... They have a kind of pride of unconditional loyalty almost, whereas with royals there is contempt for celebrity culture and ready to call the guillotine any moment. I admit, I envy that in DPRK.
>>890675 >In monarchy, it is very much about the personal image and the personal power, literally staring me in the eyes. Monarchy is a belief in the pre-eminent man, and while monarchists will say that monarchy is natural--I say that monarchy is supernatural in this way... it is an individual power magnified to a divine-like status. Spooky. But I have to ask, is literally every prominant just a reflection of monarchy to you? >With leadership in general, just across the scale, and kings as one-man rulers, they harness the power of their person in a shepherd-like manner, like using their beauty or the unity in their person (because an individual man is an undivided man) to guide a people... You can probably tell I'm not a big fan of this whole "great man" interpretation, but none of this makes such concepts monarchist in principle. You asign it to monarchs, and monarchs in the past have viewed themselves as such, but the concepts themselves do not require or assume monarchs by either physical or abstract means. >Like I said with US Presidents... while it isn't a monarchy-based system, they still do play a part kind of like a monarch, and like I said as leaders they still have a form of "household" rule... even if they have term limits and swap positions. And you could possibly say for the sake of argument that monarchs play a part like non-monarch leaders, and that monarchs themselves are not integral to such an idea. >They have a kind of pride of unconditional loyalty almost This is (for better or for worse) not something exclusive to such a situation or the DPRK. >I envy that in the DPRK ...cool?
>>890689 >You can probably tell I'm not a big fan of this whole "great man" interpretation I'm not a big fan of the "Great Man Theory" myself because the people who use it are usually all about "muh meritocracy" and anti-royalist... but it is pretty much a monarchist pov. >Spooky. But I have to ask, is literally every prominant just a reflection of monarchy to you? Well, I recall that they made a big fuss when they said that "The Leader" to them is not just the Individual. But I think this is the same mentality with "the state is me" or the public power behind a leader I recommend reading "On Establishing Juche Outlook" and read where they describe "One for all, all for one" and that gives you a general idea. >is everything monarchy to you? I don't consider DPRK a royal monarchy, no. Not in the orthodox sense... but I can be very unorthodox at times. I'm sure many royalists would disagree with me also. >And you could possibly say for the sake of argument that monarchs play a part like non-monarch leaders, and that monarchs themselves are not integral to such an idea Sometimes royals are not. Sometimes monarchists say, "not real monarchy" and r/monarchism calls this "Gatekeeping" for ceremonialists. It's really all about being like a part in relation to the whole simply or being like the whole in relation to the part. Monarchy is like being the whole in relation to the part, and that's why there are notions like 'divine right' whether spoken directly or indirectly, or majesty. It is a really tiresome conservation.
>>890700 >I recommend reading "On Establishing Juche Outlook" and read where they describe "One for all, all for one" and that gives you a general idea. I've read it, that quote has nothing to do with leaders themselves, but the individual in relation to larger society. It's not a statement that all collectively exist for the leader, but that the masses, the party, and the leader exist for the community, and vice-versa (the community is treated with primacy, as no individual nor individual part of it can exist without it). >It's really all about being like a part in relation to the whole simply or being like the whole in relation to the part. >Monarchy is like being the whole in relation to the part This isn't really a material or structural analyisis, and you could again view this abstractly as applying many societies (many explicitly non-monarchist in every conceivable way), but then juche is certainly not this. Juche would be more the part in relation to the whole (each is a part, which then work for the whole).
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>>890731 >I've read it, that quote has nothing to do with leaders themselves, but the individual in relation to larger society. Leaders, like it or not, are like an individual, and it could certainly describe the relationship between the Party and the Leader (which I think I read). The pre-eminence of the leader puts the whole and the parts into focus, like how a people need one whole person to give them an identity. It reveals one whole body, but extended out to a greater political body (like the cover of Leviathan, I suppose). Juche also states that man is sociable, and I generally see that closer to Aristotle who makes the case that the whole comes prior to the parts (individual and family/collective) like how it isn't a whole hand without an individual thumb, but neither a collective of fingers. Juche also stresses comradeship on the principle that while families are an important part, supporting comradeship is more important to them (I paraphrase). But with the Leader and being like a father, it does have an effect of making it like one large family, which like i said is comradeship unparalleled.
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Fucking neck yourself you obsessed weeb no one fucking asked you
>>890786 Weep, okay, Juchefag. You have my royal tears and I'm leaving this thread.
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>mfw this thread
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uguu~ :3 wat's going on here goys?
>>890225 >Term limits are a defining feature between a statesman and a king Term limits are not very common in Europe. There is no term limit for the Chancellor of Germany. >>890329 >This is why the US has the 22nd amendment or why George Washington started that tradition--having no term limits is generally considered a step towards monarchy... I think that's a very American view.
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>>891188 >Term limits are not very common in Europe. There is no term limit for the Chancellor of Germany. For certain heads of government, it is that way because they are ministers and could be dismissed. But notice how heads of state do have term limits. Sure, I'll take that into consideration. I bring up term limits because it plays into the idea of "taking your turn in being governed" as follows with the description of a statesman. When you have term limits, it implies that you're taking your turn and are going to be ruled in turn. I think it is an explicit way of putting it. But I guess the 2nd screencap I here does suggest otherwise, but I'll re-state that I still think lifelong rule is one step towards monarch (because it's another way of not having to take your turn).
Can someone post that effortpost about elections in the DPRK? Also any information about how socialism works in the DPRK?
What kind of mental illness do people who use anime avatars on anonymous imageboards have?
What about NK songbun caste system? Even fucking albania wasn't this retarded.
>>893359 The Association of Secretaries General of Parliaments determined that the DPRK’s voters cast ballots personally to a deputy in candidacy and in a place where a secret ballot is thoroughly maintained. http://www.asgp.info/Resources/Data/Documents/CJOZSZTEPVVOCWJVUPPZVWPAPUOFGF.pdf
>>890743 >Leaders, like it or not, are like an individual, and it could certainly describe the relationship between the Party and the Leader (which I think I read). They most certainly are an individual in the meaning of representing a single soul and spirit.However, this does not at any given time invert or decalre the roles they play in the givne society, the leader, plays the role of the satisfaction of a succesful organization of the resources of a said group, which, makes it in both juche and socialism as a whole, slave to its intrest int it of themselves, this could be exactly, were democracy breaks off from oligarchy or its more extreme form, monarchy, not in the form of organization as we first see it, its initial fase, but that of whom it answers to in the end, one to the majority rule and the other to a single entity. "The pre-eminence of the leader puts the whole and the parts into focus, like how a people need one whole person to give them an identity.". > It reveals one whole body, but extended out to a greater political body (like the cover of Leviathan, I suppose). Not precisely, as i´ve said, the leader, as a representative, is only a consequence, a manifestation, if the contrary would be true, then how did they now who to choose, exactly?, did they improvise and declare vaguely that someone could represent them?, most surely not, after all, it is because of the class struggle existing that Figure heads like Stalin were chosen as secretary general, not because Stalin was elected that class struggled was initiated, the magnitude of the volition was already defined, the leader, only gave it a concrete direction, as in any group, like the most common one, that of the army, where soldiers already have the will to fight, they are just simply organized by those in command. >Juche also states that man is sociable, and I generally see that closer to Aristotle who makes the case that the whole comes prior to the parts (individual and family/collective) like how it isn't a whole hand without an individual thumb, but neither a collective of fingers. Man is sociable, whether he likes it or not, from the beginning of our lives we are shaped by the lives of those around us by default, and here then out, from the things we wear, understand and speak, this is a model of human development that is not unique to juche at all, it belongs to many an anti-materialist and materialist, see Hegel for example, and as him many others, that one preaches collectivism then, has nothing to do with Aristotle exactly,.Your error is one of confused causality, you assume that one characteristic already defines all to be, ironically, no different from the short sighted Anarchist, that seeks to demonstrate his straightened will, every time he witnesses even the least presence of authority.
>>864161 >>875066 >North Korea shot missing South Korean official dead and ‘burnt his body’ https://www.rt.com/news/501556-south-korea-missing-official/
>>897665 >he's in such a bluepilled state that he believes sork/westacuck reporting on NK
>>898075 it's rare for pm moon jae-in (who supports reunification) and state media (yonhap) to directly comment on these things https://en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN20200924004355325 i suspect he was killed partly because kim jong un went on a total freakout 2 months ago over one person who crossed into south korea and back to kaesong initiating a 3-week-lockdown and vowing to punish all military higherups who who were responsible for the border.
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Kim Jong Un apologizes to Seoul for killing of South Korean official https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/east-asia/article/3103013/north-koreas-kim-jong-un-makes-rare-apology-south-over-killed North Korean leader Kim Jong-un has apologised over the killing of a South Korea official who appeared to be trying to defect, Seoul said on Friday. South Korea’s presidential office said Kim sent them a message conveying an apology, calling the incident “unexpected” and “unfortunate”. It is extremely unusual for a North Korean leader to apologise to its southern neighbour on any issue. “Comrade Kim Jong-un, the State Affairs Commission chairman, feels very sorry to give big disappointment to President Moon Jae-in and South Korean citizens because an unexpected, unfortunate incident happened at a time when South Korea grapples with the coronavirus pandemic,” Moon adviser Suh Hoon cited the message as saying. In the letter, Pyongyang also acknowledged firing about 10 shots at the man, who had “illegally entered our waters” and refused to properly identify himself. The 47-year-old official, who was affiliated with the Ministry of Oceans and Fisheries, disappeared on Monday while on duty aboard an inspection boat in waters off the western border island of Yeonpyeong. South Korean media reports said the killed official was a father of two who had recently divorced and was having financial problems.
>>900891 Kim, you shouldn't apologize. But then again, the way they describe the official just leaving and appearing in Nork waters implies he was defecting.
>>900925 So Jong-un killed a guy that was defecting to his side?
>>900996 Seems so.
>>900996 border tensions are high, they have a shoot-first policy, military higher-ups are highly-strung over pandemic fears
>>900925 sounds like they did something extremely dumb.
>>901055 >Go out fishing. >Who are these men with PPSH's coming towards me?
>>900996 Border guards were probably afraid after what went down with the other defector a while back. Kim tightened border security to the roof to avoid coofers coming into the North. Which is why those coast guards shot the man and set his corpse on fire.
>>903533 >tfw north koreans literally are middle age cavemen
>>903821 Not really.
>>903858 Yes, really. Now "middle age cavemen" by itself clearly is stupid, but you get the point.
>>903895 Not really.
>>903898 I know you are stupid and don't get the point.
>>903905 Your country has been blockaded for decades because you neighbour what is effectively a US military base, your borders are tight due to this as well as due to defecting soldiers. A terrible outbreak occurs which threatens your country entirely, you neighbour the very country that is where patient zero was discovered. Some day a random person shows up on your shores who will not specify who he is. How is killing him caveman behaviour.
>>903915 >Kim Jong Un: "This will be a science and knowledge driven era" >His soldiers: *shoot a man and burn his corpse just in case he may have a cold* WHOA
>>900891 hope its due to corona and they dont actually shoot at all defectors/accidental migrants Netflix have added a shitton of korean series, theres one about a hot bourgie qt crash landing in north korea and having a romance with a captain there that hide her (which is pretty stupid all things considered, but the story needs it). They ironically display it as awful in lot of ways (the whole hierarchy is incredibly corrupt, all powerful intelligence security apparitus, lack of food/consumer items, state spying, power outage all the time) and great in some others (all genuine humans relation she have are with NK, all SK we encounter including her family are porkies fuck and awful humans, she actually love the food the poor nk make when they actually party etc). I was pretty curious to how accurate that could be, but my guess is south koreans dont actually have any better idea than anyone else, and so its mostly propaganda/imagination (and its more about the romance than the propaganda honestly. Cant believe I actually watched so much of that shit. Got suckered into a romance by the dprk angle). Also WTF is up with the retarded monarchist fetishist shitting up the thread
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>>751027 >those hoodies Can't wait for youthful marxists to wear these.
>>853520 >10th october can't wait
>>904168 Its not just because he may have had a cold. Given the circumstances he would easily be perceived by the coast guard as a spy attempting to sneak in.

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