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The USA is rioting - /BÜRGERKRIEG/ - V Anonymous 08/24/2020 (Mon) 21:50:40 No. 801173
<New riots - Jacob Blake Related events. Remember we also have an official chat https://matrix.to/#/+leftychat:matrix.org to keep in touch with the mod team and you can use https://cytu.be/r/bunkerchantemp , maintained by members of the community, to continue chatting and following the happenings even if Bunkerchan goes down. There have been rodney king tier riots in Minneapolis since George Floyd was killed. What is /leftypol/'s opinion? Updated FRATERNAL RIOT PORN WATCHING AND FRIENDLY CIRCLEJERK HERE: https://cytu.be/r/bunkerchantemp (Or this one https://cytu.be/r/bunkerchanalt ) Location of protests all over the US: https://twitter.com/IGD_News/status/1266173527708835840 https://naarpr.org/updates/cities-join-the-call-for-national-day-of-protest/ DONATE TO HELP ARRESTED PROTESTORS https://twitter.com/ntltcIit/status/1266820861362933762 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1X4-YS3vFn5CLL9QtJSU0xqmTh_h8XilXgOqGAjZISBI/edit Hasn't confirmed if it is 100% legit so do some background checks before doing so Tip if you are joining https://pastebin.com/1X2hxJS5 Flags are SUPER FUCKING USEFUL. I stood next to a girl with a megaphone who was telling people instructions, and having a flag next to her seriously helped bring people along. I stood on street corners and used the flag to help people see where the group had turned when the group fled the flashbangs. GET A FLAG, MAKE IT BIG My flag was 2 yards long of red broadcloth that doesn't even have clean edges that I superglued to a collapsible stick. It doesn't need to be pretty, it doesn't need to be amazing. Notice on doxxing: We know that the world is litterally falling apart and Jair Bolsonaro got doxxed. But on the offchance that capitalist civilization doesn't disintegrate, posting doxxing info or direct links to it is still not allowed as per site rules. Sorry. Archive Remember to archive everything you see. Things get censored, taken down, removed. Anon's cloud with a load of videos ready to share outside the bunker: https://mega.nz/folder/KtRgxIAQ#G9nX6nVkOJo_mV_xdcguMw PLEASE MODS, KEEP RECYCLED THIS THREAD
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>>875667 I mean yeah. It kind of speaks to how insane they are that despite basically winning all the time (except in 1945) they still manage to be such miserable paranoid cunts
>>875671 it will amount to nothing because the political field was already totally controlled by the 2 parties if they could vote away BLM they would (as long as it didn't involve improving the lives of people involved in BLM anyways) so the class conflicts will only heighten
>>875671 BLM isn't Marxist or even socialist so it's not a big deal, it's just useful as an organization to heighten tension and bring us closer to an actual revolutionary socialist movement.
>>875676 The "right" to me always just came off to me as a bunch of do-nothings. >>875679 >>875681 Yeah more or less, but I like to get second opinions when I can. Sometimes I feel optimistic about things that are pretty horrible to most people.
>>875671 It means nothing, public support for movements famously fluctuates and further, rarely manifests itself positively or negatively. since /pol/ is now reddit, it thinks in upvotes and downvotes.
>>875671 the American right has amped up the propaganda culture war ever since late May, i mostly blame Facebook for allowing literal lies to spread unchecked, Zuckerberg should be threatened and intimidated until he and his fucking POS company stop plugging burgers' brains with rightoid propaganda >inb4 B-BUT MUH CENSORSHIP!!!11 if i had power i'd personally order the summary execution of Andy Ngo too, there is nothing that justifies the journalistic equivalent of yelling fire in a crowded theatre house
>>875681 The strategy of tension works a lot better for the far right or the liberal technocrats who want a coup. I've had a bad feeling about these riots from the start - not that the pigs haven't had it coming, but it all feels like the last whimpers of resistance before mask off time.
>>875694 >but it all feels like the last whimpers of resistance before mask off time well it has to come sometime, doesn't it? better sooner than when the masses are really reeling under food shortages and even worse climate disasters.
>>875694 >liberal technocrats who want a coup why would the coup a system they already control from the shadows? and the far right is weak - a bunch of old boomers and cowardly children.
>>875694 If the mask comes off and the people don't react negatively to it then we are in as hopeless a situation as the communists in Weimar Germany. We need to be optimistic and hope that as the mask slips the people will be outraged and begin understanding the necessity of revolution..
>>875697 And potentially the military itself.
>>875707 the military is largely people in it for the gibs. the only really right wing parts of the military is the Marines (mostly overseas) and various Spec-Ops groups (also mainly overseas), it would take a massive movement of troops that literally anyone could see coming to do that, which would de-facto signal the end of the American empire because of the withdrawal of those troops.
>>875695 There is no climate boogaloo anywhere in the near future. Only famines in the world left have clearly political causes rather than ecological. >>875697 They don't control it as much as they would like, have to share power with the rightist factions, and they can't just stamp out the commoners. They'd need to suspend due process, courts, legal rights, and a lot of other things which would be very unpopular in a democratic society. What they'd like is a China-type system where directives come straight from the think tanks, instead of passing through the democratic charade and being up for potential debate.
>>875694 >The strategy of tension works a lot better for the far right or the liberal technocrats who want a coup I mean, it's still a route for us and with overwhelming control of media on the right, the best we got is to keep stressing the contradictions. Keep in mind that we're really the only alternative to what Burgerstan is offering. When cards are on the table, there isn't "woke capitalism vs pure reaction". >but it all feels like the last whimpers of resistance before mask off time. It's the most pushback the state's gotten in our lifetimes, and it only came about because of police violence and capitalism shitting the bed beyond repair. I've heard people talk about how the end of this is a return to 2012 politics but everything is shittier, when I would actually say the material and political conditions that caused this pushback can't be resolved or pacified. There's no Obama to trick radlibs and stab the left in the cradle, there's no New Deal coming down the pipeline or even a fucking stimulus to pay off enough of the working class to where they won't get pissed. And what's the "mask off" you're worried about? Concentration camps? Already got em. Cops and fash killing without repercussion? Shit, that's what's caused these riots in the first place. Finally burning the social safety net and turning everything but the police state into ancapistan? Bernie was a limp-wristed cuck and him just suggesting social democratic policies on a national level brought in a generation of new blood to anti-capitalist politics. >>875700 I don't personally think the situation is too similar anyways, specifically because the NSDAP gained legitimacy through social democratic reforms alongside the genocide. If people were still paying for bread with wheelbarrows, they wouldn't have gotten as far as they did. If porky was able to accept any sort of give for long term payoff, we would have seen it already. "Stability with a side of rahowa" is less of a viable strategy when you hollow out the working and """middle""" class.
>>875722 >They don't control it as much as they would like, have to share power with the rightist factions, That is inevitably true of the bouj. Even if the technocrats seized the MOP that the rightist porkies hold, inevitably the technocrats would embrace the same rightist traditions because it would be in their material interest to do so. The only solution to that is one outside of capitalism - and thusly, outside of the possibility of them controlling the means of production. So they suffer each other, for now, and likely for the near future. >They'd need to suspend due process, courts, legal rights, and a lot of other things which would be very unpopular in a democratic society They virtually have and nothing has stopped them yet, at least within the system. Things like the indefinite detention of Manning weren't ended by some democratic mandate but by mob-action, and that will always remain the case so long as the proletariat continue to exist. >What they'd like is a China-type system where directives come straight from the think tanks, instead of passing through the democratic charade and being up for potential debate. This is just nonsensical. China doesn't operate by think-tanks, it operates from a denigrated workers party sitting as the centrality of the state and emanating out somewhat defunct ideology into the various aspects of state below it to carry out the party-mandate. If its an appointed position, the people going in it are vetted by the party. In elections, you have to be a party member to be valid. Even other parties are in turn made subservient to the main party by the position of the party, because that is just the societal sway they have. Those aren't conditions which are conducive towards neoliberal porky rule because the foundations of the CPC comes from a tradition of mass-worker's membership and a background in Marxist literature, an ideological doctrine which is literally hundreds of years old and enforced by some degree by most everyone in the party. They don't have, and can't create anything like it, nor if they did have or could make it, could they ever proliferate that ideology among the proletariat because undoubtedly it would never be in the material interests of the proletariat to adopt it, so the majority won't. Your material thinking is lacking.
>>875700 Revolutions can't simply be built on outrage porn and a desire to tear down. It's not impossible, but right now I'm not seeing a progressive faction that can contest power. Beyond that, I don't see any leverage the masses have left, so if there is some progressive revolution, it's very likely led by people higher up the chain, and workers play little part (at best, they can have a "canned revolution"). Maybe after more conflict and decline this could change, but I see a quick coup and abolition of democracy, new rules and regulations ("for the virus") and 5G surveillance everywhere + a massive humint infrastructure set loose with a lot of mined data ready to go. And that's why you have to suspend democracy and do the coup, because right now you have some recourse and privacy, you have civil rights, and that makes it hard to do something like round up thousands of people for re-education camps or clear the streets entirely of vagrants. It wouldn't be possible to do that under even the current laws, and this is the sort of thing we're in for at a pretty massive scale.
>>875746 The police can't get away with a single killing without cities burning down and you think this is the most likely course of outcome? Are you a glowie?
>>875748 Apparently a bunch of boomers shaking their head and making a nuisance of themselves in public is a counter resistance.
>>875750 so widescale protests, riots, looting and burning is a mere nuisance?
>>875750 I feel like people here have a poor understanding of fascism as a historical movement to begin with. Fascism wasn't like, a bunch of dickwads deciding to be evil, the evil was a natural consequence of their material ambitions. The fascist movement was made up largely as an alliance of the various petite-bouj interests of the nation aligning both against proletarian reforms (hence why they are anti-communist and also why quality of life heavily declined for all fascist nations during their rule) because the petite-bouj are the people most imminently affected by improvements for the conditions of wage labor; as well as against the established bouj, whom they believed had an unfair advantage against the petite-bouj as a consequence of their position as being "established" and having existing contracts with the governments of the world, ect ect, and thus usually decrying existing capitalism as being rigged (or corporatist, if you are libertarian) and pushing for "economic populist" reforms which mostly entail putting up the petite-bouj on the same level of government contracting as the regular bouj. This, in a sense, makes fascism "true capitalism", I would say. "True capitalism" for an extremely limited scope of the population, but it provides an equal playing field (as equal as modern capitalism can get anyways) for the various bouj to make themselves rich and powerful, all with the military contracts from the building up of a military for imperialist wars, which these bouj could then use to create super-profits, both by selling the arms needed for these conflicts, as well as befitting off the exploitation of the locals. This is why Italy, Nazi Germany, Spain, Chile, ect all focused not only on trying to expand their borders through war, but also on trying to "other" internal populations to use them in much the same manner as imperial subjects. Fascism, as it existed historically, can never exist again today. The petite-bouj are too marginal and occupy jobs to useless to be a serious material force (John Flock the pools salesman isn't going to rile people up for blood and soil conflict after all) and generally lack any coherent class unity to begin with, in fact I would say they are more blinded to their own material interests than even the proletariat.
>>875757 modern fascism seems to be a completely different thing to what it was 80 years ago.
>>875762 Then, simply put, it isn't fascism. Its something else. Right now all the right has is simpering cowards too entrenched into the modern state to ever do any meaningful independent action, only make mad conspiratorial theories like Qanon and do individualist terrorism for short stints before all giddily lining up to voooooot for the newest politician which will definitely start the race war this time they promise (they don't) and then get mad about it for like, 2 months before kowtowing to the system again.
>>875746 This post is dumb as fuck I'm sorry. What fucking liberties? They can already kill you and jail your loved one if they don't agree that you were a drug mule. We're already at the mass sterilization part when it comes to our camps. The state already puts zero resources into the homeless crisis except for pushing them into more dire situations. The shit you fear has been here for decades. Porky has total control of the state as is. If they really needed ovens to deal with the homeless, we would have had them. And also, you seem to want a revolutionary party to spontaneously come out of the blue with a critical mass of people in the fucking United States. That's crackhead shit. Not only are (legitimately good) marxist orgs gaining in popularity, but the constant police violence and universal loathing by both major political parties is pushing anyone who isn't materially opposed to the left to the left. If you want to see it emerge, we gotta build it, and we are. >>875762 You're correct in the sense that it was never a coherent ideology.
>>875740 Manning was released because she was no longer relevant, a broken and suicidal shell... and then was locked up again anyway. Manning also had to go through at least a show trial and procedure, and was a relatively unusual case (no way the feds let her off, especially when they can make an example). The purpose of ending the law would be to remove all barriers to doing this on a gargantuan scale - and we're talking concentration camps filled with undesirables. The Communist Party of China very much has its internal think tanks that figure out most of the policies. They don't come from the mighty hand of Xi telling everyone how to think. The political system there is such that the Communists can figure out what they want to do, and then do it - the nominal republic only rubber-stamps the decision. This is increasingly what the US is, especially after 2001, but the US still can face opposition to key policies, like the TPP. The coup would remove all of that - no more bribery of politicians and working through the electoral meat grinder, CFR or whoever just writes what will happen and it is done. Maybe you can argue that sort of arrangement has some accountability to the people, but it is perfectly possible to build liberal autocracy and it has been imposed many times in the world. >>875748 The anarchists demonstrate no long-term planning or strategy, so yeah they could pretty quickly leave the field. Would be ugly, but the more people know the anarchists, the less they like any of it. I expect the current wave of unrest and riots over police brutality to remain at a simmer until the election, after which events will likely move past any normal we've known, and everyone will wonder what was wrong about a bunch of peaceniks against bad police officers. America's been through worse with riots. The 1960s made BLM look like fucking Greens. The difference is that the political system in that time held legitimacy to many more people; but what is really happening is a contest between the centrists and the far right, both of whom want a crisis and a power grab. >>875757 Fascism is the prototype for what we're going to be getting soon, but people have been robbed of any historical meaning of the word "fascist", especially as the meaning of fascism has been edited by those who use it as a bogeyman instead of assessing fascist states on their own terms and what they actually were. The Nazis were more complex than "BOOGABOO LETS KILL SOME JEWS AND COMMIES", and it is forgotten how in the 30s many liberals would give glowing praise to Hitler.
>>875767 God bless this post.
>>875772 >Manning was released because she was no longer relevant, a broken and suicidal shell She is doing alright actually. Has a twitch stream now. >Manning also had to go through at least a show trial and procedure Which is like, 0 effort. It's just a show of how legitimate the state is sentencing you to death, anyone even pretending to be a state does this shit. >The purpose of ending the law would be to remove all barriers to doing this on a gargantuan scale - and we're talking concentration camps filled with undesirables. Again, this is retarded. Police can't get away with a single killing without cities burning down. >The Communist Party of China very much has its internal think tanks that figure out most of the policies. ...which are aspects of the party, and thus bound to all the same stuff I talked about earlier. The party dictates them more than they dictate the party, they are just meant to engineer the ways to reach the outcomes the party wants within the framework of the current moment. >This is increasingly what the US is, especially after 2001, but the US still can face opposition to key policies, like the TPP. Again, this is proletarian pressure against transnational capitalist systems, it would exist no matter what, barring a socialist government. >The coup would remove all of that - no more bribery of politicians and working through the electoral meat grinder, CFR or whoever just writes what will happen and it is done. That is heinously naive. Even though the existing government has virtually no legitimacy, whatever intra-state coup would make would have even less legitimacy, because it would just be the same stuff but with less accountability and with more policies everyone hates. The existing state is useful to them because it has at least some faux-democratic elements which they can use as a buffer against popular discontent, this new state would have nothing. The country would inevitably descend into open war. Porky isn't that stupid. >>875772 >The Nazis were more complex than "BOOGABOO LETS KILL SOME JEWS AND COMMIES", and it is forgotten how in the 30s many liberals would give glowing praise to Hitler. Yes, it was "BOOGABOO LETS KILL SOME JEWS AND COMMIES AND MAKE A PROFIT WHILE DOING SO"
>>875769 We have the ovens already. Concentration camp networks were a matter of public record by the 1990s, built for some unspecified purpose. These camps were beefed up during Bush's Patriot Act shit. To say "Porky controls everything and anything in the state" is to engage in a spooky thinking about how capitalism works, how managerialism works. Clearly they don't have all the power they like, because you hear often enough liberal and conservative bitching about how the proles don't fall in line and do as told, and how all these human rights rules and regulations get in the way of security. There is a long history of republican institutions that are cumbersome for those who would rather have a one-party state in form. Imagine what happens when evicted people flood into the streets and arbitrary arrests are made. Do you think this would stand up if lawyers poked their nose, if journalists described where people were taken and what was happening in the camps? Even the appearance of democratic processes implies that there is some accountability, more accountability than anyone wants. The past couple of decades have seen a deliberate attack on even the idea of democracy, and those who despise democracy itself are a growing base in American society. Cosmopolitan technocrats constantly bemoan ignorant masses who don't know what's good for them, speak constantly about how much better something like the EU is which is completely anti-democratic by design. You can find a lot of this in liberal circles today. Conservatives, well, they never stopped marching around like fucking Nazis since 2001, and you have Trump's people calling for purges and outright exterminations. We're being conditioned to accept the end of anything like civil rights across the political spectrum, and by now it's too late to go back to normal. No one in power wants normalcy back, and there is a shrinking base of people who want even the idea of "democracy". The Millennials, I can safely say, are wholly given over to dictatorship.
>>875791 Zoomers are our only hope
>>875791 >Do you think this would stand up if lawyers poked their nose, if journalists described where people were taken and what was happening in the camps? I think it would stand up, because lawyers and journalists give the US a free pass on horiffic shit constantly. There would be no major liberal pushback because we still have a homeless population during a fucking pandemic. >Even the appearance of democratic processes implies that there is some accountability, more accountability than anyone wants. The past couple of decades have seen a deliberate attack on even the idea of democracy, and those who despise democracy itself are a growing base in American society America society has always been inherently undemocratic. You cannot effectively vote for an anti-imperialist on a national level. Hell, you can't even vote for someone anti-cop on a national level. >The Millennials, I can safely say, are wholly given over to dictatorship. Well, considering our goal is a dictatorship of the proletariat, thank god.
>>875816 >dictatorship of the proles he's more referring to a mask off state capitalist oligarchy
>>875791 the yseek to redefine normalcy. oppression, authoritarianism, police state, concentration camps, systemic exploitation. That's the normal they want.
>>875820 Oh, well then, citation needed on that fucking claim.
>>875671 Honestly I thought it would be more, especially with the riots becoming way more radical.
>>875671 what's the source and sample size
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>>875814 So we are done for
>>875871 Back to your containment board /dead/head
>>875816 You have no idea how bad this is going to get, and how bad it can be. Obviously you're hepped up on LARP, but just figure out how bad it is when you cannot go to court, you cannot advocate on your own behalf in any way, and there are no laws or policies which imply any sort of human rights. There was, once upon a time, not even a concept that workers had a right to strike or any civil rights at all, where American authorities would simply massacre striking workers. It was because the US did have some form of democracy that people from below could even apply pressure which made populist or progressive reforms possible, not that it was easy but at least in principle the Bill of Rights did apply to people and you could hear the case in court. To do what they want to do, they can't just operate in secret while pretending the republican institutions are unchanged. Not only would it be impossible to maintain the illusion, but to do these things you need a substantial part of society openly contemptuous of even democratic ideas. That's why all the drama and wank is being stoked in the media, why you see liberals overtly opposed to the idea of elections if people don't vote the correct way. That's why Trump is going for this absolutely retarded strategy of catering to the literal Nazis rather than any broad base, even the one he had in 2016. (Well, that and Trump is doomed, and this strategy is great for his future branding.) It's all theater to prepare people for ending elections, and with it ending any legal rights, even the meager ones that workers had even in the worst of times.
>>875772 >The Nazis were more complex than "BOOGABOO LETS KILL SOME JEWS AND COMMIES" Not terribly. I guess you could add in "BOOGABOO LETS ALSO MAKE GERMANY GREAT AGAIN" >it is forgotten how in the 30s many liberals would give glowing praise to Hitler I'm sure there might have been a few outliers just like there are a few liberals who support Trump, but this is mostly a historical revisionist take, and a common but unhelpful position for leftists to take because it hypernormalizes fascism. It koshers reactionaries to call all leftists fascists ("SEE EVEN LEFTISTS KNOW THAT LEFTISTS SUPPORTED HITLER" see [1] ). These very, very bad history revisions would hardly be worthy of dignifying with comment if fascism wasn't on the rise again, with murderous proud boys shooting protesters on the street, the Attorney General seeking sedition charges against BLM dissidents and Qanon candidates winning primaries. The mistake liberals have made against fascism has been consistent under Mussolini, Hitler, Lindbergh, McCarthy, Nixon, Reagan, Bush and Trump. The liberal press portrayed them as a joke. That pattern was no different with Hitler whom was defanged as a non-sensical screecher [2]. He was also described by the press as being sort of an incel. Newsweek compared his wild gestures and words suggested comparisons to Charlie Chaplin whose countenance as a caricature was voluble and like an insecure Cosmopolitan [3]. Sure, he had a following, but his followers were “impressionable voters” duped by “conspiracies, radical doctrines and quack remedies,” [4]. Other liberal thinkers were giddy while looking forward to Hitler being humiliated within his government position by “sober liberal and conservative politicians who would submerge the fascist movement" [5]. Other liberal commentators claimed that “conspiracy theories and a keen sense of dramatic instinct is not enough to retain power. When it comes to time to govern, his lack of gravity and profundity of thought will be expose the German public to his own futility" [6]. Fascism swept over most of continental Europe during those years, and this event was terrifying not just for the obvious reasons but also because every country in Europe seemed to have generated a fascist movement of its own, drawing on national idiosyncrasies and charming folk costumes -- such that, after a while, the very existence of local traditions and funny hats came to seem positively sinister (for example the Bunds). But while I'm sure you can provide a list of outliers to claim liberals loved fascism (just like Dinesh D'Souza can provide the same list expanded to claim all liberals and leftists loved fascism) all the cherry-picked evidence in the world won’t help if you’re committing a category error, a fallacy in which one compares or conflates things that actually belong in different categories. Fascism, liberalism and leftism belong in fundamentally different categories, because the essence of fascism was, and is, both anti-liberalism and anti-leftism. While academics certainly still debate the details, they all agree with this basic precept about the core of fascism. That is, Fascism is a dictatorship against the liberalism and leftism amidst popular enthusiasm. Now you can empty out, dumb down or cherry pick the definition of fascism until anything you dislike fits the bill, and people do this all the time (even modern day fascists believe the left and liberals were the true fascists). Identifying the roots of things matters profoundly, and obscuring them for the sake of a sellable “take” on /leftypol/ or to score points against the liberals ruins the activist's ability to understand hows and whys. This is a particularly bad case of history, very common in my various leftist echo chambers because it clouds people’s views of the rise of new fascisms as well as the roots of historical horrors. Also because it slams the door on new membership that might be interested in socialist theories of capitalism only to find our echo chambers are revisioning history in a way not dissimilar to Dinesh D'Souza. Let's stick to the facts, and that's liberals are capitalists and socialists are not. There's is plent of red meat there to be extrapolated. We don't need to hypernormalize fascism by making comparisons which make it seem far more normal than degenerate. [1] https://www.amazon.com/Big-Lie-Exposing-Roots-American/dp/1621573486/ref=cm_cr_srp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8 [2] https://uwpress.wisc.edu/books/2541.htm?xid=PS_smithsonian [3] https://books.google.com/books?id=UZkC2D6WkHEC&pg=PR4&lpg=PR4&dq=Dan+Nimmo,+Political+Commentators+in+the+United+States+in+the+20th+Century&source=bl&ots=RLFXWfPuPm&sig=BEfgzFfEUKa9-92j8VpRGVnLLbc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiyscvlsOfQAhVX8GMKHahiDNgQ6AEIJTAC#v=onepage&q=Dan%20Nimmo%2C%20Political%20Commentators%20in%20the%20United%20States%20in%20the%2020th%20Century&f=true [4] http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/washingtonpost_historical/doc/150031488.html?FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:AI&type=historic&date=Sep+16%2C+1930&author=&pub=The+Washington+Post++%281923-1954%29&edition=&startpage=6&desc=THE+GERMAN+ELECTIONS?xid=PS_smithsonian [5] https://www.nytimes.com/1931/06/23/archives/political-effect-in-germany.html [6] https://www.nytimes.com/1933/02/19/archives/plenty-of-rope.html
>>873751 I'm losing my shit at this one, can we make a compilation?
>>875767 Even if fascism isn't the same as 20th century fascism, I think particularly destructive reaction can be repeated, but it is unclear to me what its path to power is right now. I doubt it is Donald Trump, he is not such a lunatic. Donald Trump has no ideology that I can discern other than self-interest. Whatever the material underpinning of fascists, of why they manifested in the groups they did and the way they did, the real content of their ideology was a kind of highly destructive totalitarianism that was detached from reality. Like, killing all of the Jews and lebensraum were fundamentally not necessary for Germany to thrive. I mean clearly, look at Germany now. Fascism and this kind of reactionary totalitarian ideology broadly resemble more apocalyptic and religious extremist ideologies than I think the resemble, say, revolutionary communism, because the object of their desire that is used to unite these reactionary classes is always extremely detached from reality. The reactionary base needs to be united into the reactionary political movement in order to enforce the new fascist government, but they actually all believe in very different kinds of things. They're generally very incoherent, but have similar trajectory in what they think is wrong. And usually it takes the form of conspiratorial thinking about either big cabals of specific individuals or hidden internal enemies that are destroying the country. Or it is of course something about how the culture is moving in the wrong direction. The reactionary movement combines it into something that fits this general trajectory, but is always fictional since the reality is that this ideology does NOT explain what is "wrong" with the world for these people. Because of this extreme break with reality, historically fascist ideology has manifested as particularly insane state actors. By contrast, the communist states have been very rational. So rational that some old ML states still exist to this day in either open cooperation with their ideological enemies, or uneasy but mostly stable peace. Germany, however, was driven by the dictates of what was basically an insane ideology to its own self-destruction. If actual fascism and reaction is to survive, it always has to retreat back to something resembling rational self-interest, abandoning ideology in maybe all but propaganda. The materialist ideologies, which are much closer to reality, exhibit much more rationality because they always understand the advancement of their goals as highly contingent on circumstances. Another example of unbridled reactionary totalitarianism may be ISIS, which had such an apocalyptic and detached ideology that it too was probably doomed to destruction as every rational state saw it for the threat it was.
>>873751 I keep seeing this, where/when did it happen? I hate to see violent death really, but the most amusing version of this I saw so far was somebody overlaying a Dark Souls HUD with "You Died" fading in at the end.
>>875902 >Whatever the material underpinning of fascists, of why they manifested in the groups they did and the way they did, the real content of their ideology was a kind of highly destructive totalitarianism that was detached from reality. Like, killing all of the Jews and lebensraum were fundamentally not necessary for Germany to thrive. I mean clearly, look at Germany now. Fascism and this kind of reactionary totalitarian ideology broadly resemble more apocalyptic and religious extremist ideologies than I think the resemble, say, revolutionary communism, because the object of their desire that is used to unite these reactionary classes is always extremely detached from reality. The reactionary base needs to be united into the reactionary political movement in order to enforce the new fascist government, but they actually all believe in very different kinds of things. They're generally very incoherent, but have similar trajectory in what they think is wrong. And usually it takes the form of conspiratorial thinking about either big cabals of specific individuals or hidden internal enemies that are destroying the country. Or it is of course something about how the culture is moving in the wrong direction. I wrote an effortpost a while back about fascism being more apocalypticism or extinctionism than a coherent ideology a while back
>>875885 >Other liberal thinkers were giddy while looking forward to Hitler being humiliated within his government position by “sober liberal and conservative politicians who would submerge the fascist movement" [5]. >[5] https://www.nytimes.com/1931/06/23/archives/political-effect-in-germany.html Article is paywalled so I can't confirm, but from this description the implication seems to be that the liberals were quite happy with and planning to use the fascists for their anticommunism
>>875920 >that the liberals were quite happy with and planning to use the fascists for their anticommunism they literally fucked around in Africa during WW2 while the real fighting was happening in the Eastern Front, up until it was clear that the USSR was going to turn the war around and win.
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>>875902 >By contrast, the communist states have been very rational. you have written this statement on a website with the domain name "bunkerchan.xyz"
Leftists should in no way be indifferent to Trump’s particularly reactionary style of governing. They need to avoid the black and white thinking of liberals, reactionaries and fascists. With a wave of mass dissent against his appalling behavior toward democracy on the horizon leftists should empathize with those who feel threatened by his many statements about cancelling the 2020 election or to ignore its results on election day should he lose, or his attempts to undermine the right to vote by dismantling the Post Office in order to make the prompt counting of ballots difficult or by the U.S. Supreme Court rulings which approve gerrymandering of districts and other undemocratic measures aimed at reducing the vote of urban citizens. While leftists should always expose the reactionary nature of bourgeois elections and all their anti-democratic aspects, they should never cede this institution to would-be tyrants like Trump. Doing so puts leftists out of touch with the working classes. In the same vein, socialists should have absolutely zero confidence in the courts to uphold democratic processes, not to mention confidence in the Democrats, including their water carriers in the labor movement, to challenge in the streets any coup-like attempt to steal the elections. It is one thing to point out that today the ruling class has no need for a coup, that there is broad agreement among the ruling class that Trump must go, that he is an embarrassment, if not an obstacle to their general objectives, it is quite another to turn a deaf ear to Trump’s threats. That is a serious error to say the least. If Trump continue to threaten the election or its results, leftists should stand in the political forefront against such a move without in any manner indicating political support to Biden and the Democrats. Should there be anything resembling an electoral coup, I think we can expect outraged millions to take to the streets, perhaps in numbers exceeding the millions that have done so to date. While it seems obvious that if Trump moves to declare himself re-elected in the face of massive evidence to the contrary, the Democrats are not likely to accept being out-maneuvered, as they did with Bush v. Gore in 2000, it is wise to withhold faith in the institutions of the bourgeoisie to uphold the right to vote in any form. In that election, Bush had serious ruling class support and credibility, to the point that the Democrats understood that a challenge in the streets was the last thing they wanted. In any case, socialist's should actively participate, with their own line, in any serious effort in the streets to counter a potential Trump coup. Yes, socialists should admit — assuming this is clear — that Biden won the election and should be president, while at the same time exposing the totally corrupt nature of billionaire capitalist-orchestrated elections and Democrat Biden. I say this in essence, because I don't want to see the leftist activists throw away the next moment to sizzle no matter how many subversive astroturfers attempt to depress their presence during the next mass dissent event.
>>875972 lol well rational enough to maintain power and keep it together. Hoxha's bunker program was ultimately unnecessary, but not really the determinant of Albania's failure. Unfortunately the USSR just succumbed to state bureaucrats and party elites being upset that their living conditions were worse than their western counterpart elites, so they sold off the USSR's assets to themselves and dissolved it. That was a real problem in the soviet model the communists failed to avoid, even though they were long aware of its possibility. But I think what really distinguishes how particular ideologies can operate at the modern state level is either how directly materialist they are, or how flexible their ideology ultimately becomes to material necessities. Because revolutionary communism in the Marxist tradition has had a tendency to acknowledge greater material forces underpinning historical change, the ideology has been very flexible to circumstances and constantly able to analyze and coherently rationalize why socialism isn't achieved this very instant. Marxists are wary of this because they don't want to make a bad analysis that can simply lead to "revisionism" or straight into capitalist resurrection, but the openness to understanding situational complexity allows for more rational decision making. Whereas for some group like the Nazis, to the degree they actually believed their own bullshit (which is also indicative of the degree to which they won't abandon their ideology in all but word for practicality), basically had no excuse not to start murdering Jews. Their fundamental belief in German racial superiority also led them to many military blunders on their path to achieving lebensraum. But all of these concepts were integral to the Nazi ideology itself and its popular power. The only way they could unite all these reactionary groups was through their own fictions which fit sufficiently into the conceptual holes those groups had for understanding the world. They could be united by nationalist fictions, because these groups always had a sense of German identity connecting them even if it may not have been initially totally racist and based in notions of biological superiority. They also had suspicions that some group was basically ruining Germany or trying to take it from this group of Germans who had some shared identity. So the Nazis filled that with the racial superiority fiction and the Jew fiction, as well as communist and subhuman slavs whose lands were there for the taking. And ultimately all of these highly unrealistic beliefs just led to immediate disaster.
https://twitter.com/Hbomberguy/status/1306556530213478406 Piggers can't stop killing dogs, even their own!
>>876015 This election is lose/lose for leftists (as it usually is) However there is no way of knowing what is the bigger loss in the long run. I can't bring myself to vote for Biden to "save face" for the US government when all he is gonna do for the average liberal is restore faith in the system. But at the same time, we really do have to actively confront the march towards a brutal completely unrestrained version of capitalism that looks to morph into a miserble feudalism/capitalism/slave economy hybrid.
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>>876015 >With a wave of mass dissent against his appalling behavior toward democracy on the horizon leftists should empathize with those who feel threatened by his many statements about cancelling the 2020 election or to ignore its results on election day should he lose Hell no. What we should do is point and say, "see? Told you liberal electoralism was all bullshit."
>>876090 >the march towards a brutal completely unrestrained version of capitalism Shit, we arrived at that a long damn time ago. The state cannot restrain the laws of capital. It can only ever favor one piggy over another.
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>>875859 NAP VIOLATED
>>876191 Toppest of keks
>>876090 As I mentioned, leftists shouldn't support Biden but should align with the mass dissent against a coup and election fraud. >>876114 >Hell no we should just laugh at everybody that's protesting against a Trump coup and become indistinguishable from /pol/ to the masses That's not something I suggest as the masses will align even more towards liberalism as opposed to socialism. These protests will happen with or without /leftypol/. As I mentioned it puts socialists out of touch with the vast majority of working class and the issues they hope to address. Internet leftists mistake how elections are supposed to be used by the left. Yes, elections are an inherent danger to leftism. These dangers were summarized in the label “parliamentary cretinism” used by Engels and later by Lenin. Parliamentary cretinism is the set of beliefs that what happens in congress or in an election is more important than what happens in the streets, that real change comes from legislation, not mass action. Parliamentary cretinism is a form of opportunism, a willingness to compromise with the ruling class for short-term gains at the expense of long-term objectives. Ultimately, parliamentary cretinism abandons socialism as a goal for reforms that might perhaps bring about a kinder, gentler capitalism. The alternative to this opportunism and abandonment of socialism is to use elections to build the independent working-class movement. This is done through revolutionaries going to bat for working class issues during elections. This includes supporting socialist solutions and expressing dissent against the bourgeousie elements which corrupt elections. It is not important that they win. What is important is that they use the campaign to educate the masses and strengthen the independent organization of the working class. The number of votes the socialist leaning solutions earns is an indication of the mood and consciousness of the working class, just as statistics on strike activity are. Similarly, and I cannot suggest this enough, socialists should take the time to run candidacies themselves. Maybe you'll become the next Eugene Debs. Well then if a socialist candidate is elected, hopefully they'll remain committed to using their positions in order to strengthen the struggles of working people and the oppressed. For instance, they can oppose imperialist war and police oppression, they can expose the class nature of government structures and policies from within. They will also have greater access to the media and greater opportunities to promote independent mass action in the streets. They can use their positions to educate, agitate, and organize political power. This revolutionary use of elections is known as revolutionary parliamentarianism, the very opposite of parliamentary cretinism. It is for these reasons that the ruling class does everything it can to keep revolutionaries off of the ballot and exclude us from participation in its elections. It is also why, when their grip on public sentiment begins to slip, they begin to take on even more anti-democratic stances. So acquescing to anti-democratic or fascist coups effectively submits important tools in the socialists arsenal as well. Certainly, the socialist activists should use the opportunity these upcoming demonstrations provide to build solidarity with the angry masses. Otherwise, I fear, socialists will only alienate themselves from the working class which will only strengthen liberalism.
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Just drew this /pol/jack edit
>>876466 he looks inbred, how accurate
>>876466 not bad
>>875911 tulsa iirc
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Protip: Use a cloak made of a durable mylar tarp and some insulating fabric to resist ADS and hide from IR imagers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Denial_System >The ADS works by firing a high-powered (100 kW output power) beam of 95 GHz waves at a target, which corresponds to a wavelength of 3.2 mm. The ADS millimeter wave energy works on a similar principle as a microwave oven, exciting the water and fat molecules in the skin, and instantly heating them via dielectric heating. One significant difference is that a microwave oven uses the much lower frequency (and longer wavelength) of 2.45 GHz. The short millimeter waves used in ADS only penetrate the top layers of skin, with most of the energy being absorbed within 0.4 mm (​1⁄64 inch), whereas microwaves will penetrate into human tissue about 17 mm (0.67 inch).
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>>876191 an ancap who fully buys into the "theory" can't even argue with this. cops escalated a minor traffic incident into violence. mcnukes were always an option.
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>>876857 >NO NORE ANTIFA SUPERSOLDIERS >INTRODUCING ANTIFA SUPERHEROES >CAPESHIT BUT FOR REAL
>>876466 notbad
>>876191 lolooloololol
>>875791 Now this guy is up to something. >We're being conditioned to accept the end of anything like civil rights across the political spectrum, and by now it's too late to go back to normal. No one in power wants normalcy back, and there is a shrinking base of people who want even the idea of "democracy". From the start, I saw Bolsonaro was deliberately debasing everything about the democratic institutions as soon as he was in office so as to later justify their end. He is far too dumb to figure out this tactic, but his handlers aren't. I'll keep repeating: debasing civilization is the reactionary's method and goal. They always act by unceasingly pushing their bullshit more and more, no matter how prosperous or stable the situation is, and this requires active resistance. Passive resistance, as in the much-vaunted checks and balances, only work during prosperous and stable times. This risks creating a positive feedback loop, in which the deeper a society is dragged downwards, the easier it is for them to drag it down further, as their insanity becomes tolerated, then accepted, then, God help us all, mandatory once they're in control of the State. However, I see, besides the usual factors we think of when assessing if there's threat of fascism arising (e.g. a burgeoning leftist activity), there's one key difference now, and it's that hitch in the superstructure which we're having trouble analyzing now. This political autism of the masses is another fundamentals tumbling block to fascism as we know it. The latter necessitates mass engagemnenment in politics (although obviously in a farcical, underhanded manner, befitting of its idealist nature), whereas this is now borderline impossible. The amazing passivity in which people in the USA, Brazil and others currently stops that mass theater dead in its tracks. It's no small irony that, although omninormalization could, in theory, allow for fascism to rise because their abominable ideas are more easily accepted, it also renders them incapable of rousing almost anyone but pathological reactionaries into action. They can no longer swindle most of the population to their side, nor even make most of the people believe most of the people are on their side. Although this does bring to mind the bot hordes clogging the internet with reactionary bullshit... It does seem pretty much an ersatz version of fascism's illusion of being an extremely popular majority. >>875902 >>875911 I agree with these. I'm the fag who keeps yammering about reactionarism as pathology. Its opposition to not just civilization but behavioral modernity is what leads those bastards to see everything as a means to fulfill all their desires. When left completely unchecked, it's tantamount to Freud's death drive, which itself is the "logic of nature", as it were, reaching apotheosis: a final, epic, universal orgy of blood, a Götterdammerung of all mankind into extinction. That's the sort of madness that reactionaries unconsciously desire when they talk about "elan", "sublimity" (fucking Burke) and any other spooky, deliberately vague notion onto which they inevitably stumble in the rare instance they try to actually logically explain their ideas. And that's how fascism in went down, killing and dying for the sake of killing and dying. The death drive manifested collectively. That's what happens when we let a pathology actually guide society.
>>876015 >In the same vein, socialists should have absolutely zero confidence in the courts to uphold democratic processes, That's not entirely true. The modern industrialized countries can allow themselves the luxury of allowing concessions to the people when compared to undeveloped countries in the capitalist pyramid which enforce the order more overtly. Modern France and Pinochet's Chile are both a far cry from socialism, but they're not the same thing. Of course, Porky is always trying to take even the most humble concession back in any place where he rules, but the degree to which he can do so varies immensely. >>876913 >SUPERHEROES I think you mean science heroes.
>>876191 Am I dumb or does the NAP makes no fucking sense
>>877055 Nothing about ancap/libertarianism/minarchism and their ilk make any sense. You know those "common-sense solutions" which would turn out to be catastrophic if you actually bothered to imagine how it would play out in a real society? Those ideologies are that with a sprinkle of economic jargon. Literally pseudo-science.
>>877074 >"common-sense solutions" which would turn out to be catastrophic Bong detected
>>876913 Is that...Varg?
>>877075 Why do you offend me so?
>>877085 It's his counterpart from the negative matter universa, Nega-Varg. He's our nega.
>>876913 >>877085 It's clearly Robby Steinhardt from the band Kansas.
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>>877088 Kek my bad it's just the UK has an obsession with terrible "common sense" ideas so I assumed you were tapping into that. It's pretty much where the "simple as" meme comes from.
>>877074 Why is that though? I hate lolberts but to be honest I can never really define why I think their ideas would suck. It's more like an intuitive understanding that zero regulation = not good but I can't articulate this to them in a cogent way
>>877105 Because they take anti-Marxist positions and back it up with "trust me bro". For example they think monopolies are caused by government intervention.
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you thought the ride ended already?
>>877110 Tell us more
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https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/516898-texas-school-names-shooting-suspect-kyle-rittenhouse-as "An unapproved assignment posted in Google Classroom yesterday has been brought to our attention. Understandably, this caused some concern for the impacted students, and we apologize," the Dallas Independent School District (ISD) told CBS 11 News in a statement. "Racial equity is a top priority in Dallas ISD, and we remain committed to providing a robust teaching environment where all students can learn. It is important that we continue to be culturally sensitive to our diverse populations and provide a space of respect and value.”
>>877121 tbf he is giving a pretty wide range of choices there
>>877105 Well the probem with pseudo-sciences isn't that it oversimplifies a complex matter, but that the latter enables all the world's mouthbreathers to think themselves self-taught scholars and invites them into not looking any further than these easy and comfortable conclusions. And I'm convinced that Mises created his "praxeology" with that precise intent. Wikipedia lists 5 people as founders of the Austrian school, and all of them were born into ancient money aristocratic families. Call me crazy but I sense a teensy bitsy conflict of interest when I hear them saying that removing all institutional obstacles to the rich's unfettered rule is actually good.
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>>877129 >tbf he is giving a pretty wide range of choices there Yet he conveniently left off Anthony Huber, the other guy Rittenhouse killed, as well as Derek Chauvin, the police officer who killed floyd by asphyxiating him.
>>877121 Who gives a shit? He's allowing people to list Chavez and Malcolm fucking X as heroes. It's a kind of false inclusivity by including Rittenhouse but that's in order to allow some conservative their say. It's a high school essay ffs, this cancelhungry bitch is dumb.
>>877121 Cuck list cuck list cuck list cuck cuck list
>>877152 Yeah there's not really any problem with it, you have a load of different guys to at least make you see things from other people's point of view, then you get to spend the majority of the writing about your guy.
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>>877129 >>877152 we all know why he put that name there. he could have made it a bit less obvious by adding some fascists historical figures, but that would be too obvious.
>>877167 Yeah his choice is a bit suss but to be fair he would be cancelled for putting anything. George Washington? slaver. Thomas Jefferson? Slaver. John Adams was kinda based I guess at least on slavery, but not really that well known. Thomas Paine maybe? But do conservatives even like Paine? Churchill too but also genocidal warmonger and imperialist. Reagan maybe? His choices are suss but to be honest I don't really care, it's Dallas and there's no shortage of people who think Rittenhouse is a hero here. Cancelling a teacher over essay choices is pointless.
>>877167 either way it's entertaining to see the underage retarded rightoid version of John Brown emerge.
>>877177 >there's no shortage of people who think Rittenhouse is a hero here that is the most important fact. the teacher should be investigated, not cancelled. rats need to be weeded out quietly so it doesn't give the right-wing more fuel for their self-victimizing propaganda.
>>877121 Maybe this guys just a H U G E centrist and he’s trying to be very inclusive to all the ideologies lmao
>>877161 >Yeah there's not really any problem with it, you have a load of different guys to at least make you see things from other people's point of view, then you get to spend the majority of the writing about your guy. From what point of view? The last three are not public figures. How would you study there point of view on anything?
>>877217 the point of view of the writers of the essay, not the subjects of the essay in question. The determination of who is a hero or who is not is going to be contingent on the writer's politics and socialization.
>>877185 Do americans even know about John Brown? Every time he is invoked most people will go "literallywho???"
>>877236 mostly leftists. especially southern leftists.
I think it's strange to even view George Floyd or any high profile victim of police violence as heroes. they were regular people minding their own business when they suddenly got the full force of the state's boot. they didn't wake up thinking they would become heroes, and most of them were not involved in politics. you could argue victims like breonna taylor are heroes for the work they did for their community prior to their death, but then there's no logical argument against completely dissociating this from their violent, state-condoned death. I guess my point is that the message is far more powerful if we view these people exclusively as martyrs; normal folks who got the shit end of the stick for no justifiable reason. the indignation and fear that it could happen to anyone is far more influential, in my opinion.
>>877121 I hope he is doing this just to bait students who defend Rittenhouse so he can fail them.
>>877240 >southern leftists I keep hearing about them, but I'm beginning to think they are so dispersed that they are like mythical creatures.
>>877244 I suppose most people automatically take martyrs to be heroes.
>>877253 There are literally no leftists in america, North or south, of course they dont exist.
>>877253 I am southern and a leftist. they kinda congregate around cities which still have union presences and also coastal towns. and you can find like, old boomer MLs out in the woods sometimes too.
>>877253 I'm one
>>877274 >old boomer MLs you mean CPUSA's membership base?
>>877282 Yeah all 23 of them
>>877282 the most communication they have with the outside world is renewing their CPUSA memberships lmao
>>877263 >I suppose most people automatically take martyrs to be heroes. You mean right wingers through willful ignorance, try to confuse the two.
>>877279 Are you from Florida?
>>877312 Ask anybody from any southern state besides florida and they'll tell you florida doesn't count as a southern state
>>877362 Do you wear a cowboy hat?
>>877380 no i just sit inside all day and get drunk or high depending on what's available yeehaw
https://www-foxla-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.foxla.com/news/tweets-from-la-county-sheriffs-deputy-on-compton-shooting-stir-controversy.amp?usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D&amp_js_v=0.1#aoh=16003912092216&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxla.com%2Fnews%2Ftweets-from-la-county-sheriffs-deputy-on-compton-shooting-stir-controversy a controversial tweet connected to that shooting has a member of the department in hot water tonight. “It perpetuates hate, bigotry. I would say she has no place in law enforcement,” said Michelle Chambers Compton City Councilwoman. Navarro’s tweets read “My advice to all the ex-girlfriends, side pieces, friends, wifey, ol’ lady, dime, queen, baby momma who know the Compton ambush shooter of 2 LA Sheriff’s … “Make that money girl.” Her second post shows a Black man counting dollar bills as she wrote “and here’s the neighborhood homies and enemies “bout to come up” on that $100,000 reward because… $100,000 is $100,000.” Councilwoman Chambers says Navarro owes the public an apology. “I’m disappointed, I think everybody else is,” stated Sheriff Alex Villanueva. He says Navarro should have known better. “We have to hold ourselves to a higher standard and be accountable and at the same time we can’t forget that people are human, people come from different walks of life perhaps where she grew up in the environment the way that she expressed herself is more common,” Villanueva added.
>>877666 I hear the bounty is up to 200k. You know who your real friends are when it gets that high haha
>Sheriffs & Media Misidentify Innocent Compton Man as Cop Shooter https://lasentinel.net/sheriffs-media-misidentify-innocent-compton-man-as-cop-shooter.html >33-year-old Compton native, Darnell Hicks, had no idea why his phone was blowing up Sunday night. Like every Sunday, he was working the swing shift as a client aide at a South Centra L.A. transitional housing program, when all of a sudden, he started receiving back-to-back text messages and social media notifications. Darnell could hardly believe what he was reading–that he was wanted in the shooting of two Los Angeles County sheriff’s deputies as they sat in a patrol SUV at the Compton Willowbrook rail station. >By the time they came to his job, Darnell was receiving death threats on social media and his home address had been published online by a right-wing extremist Twitter influencer named Ian Miles Cheong. “It was crazy because I live with my parents and my grandmother.” Darnell’s mother was a nervous wreck. Wonder if this could be used to get Ian Miles Cheong banned from Twitter.
>>877714 I remember seeing that, and literally no evidence to back it up lmao. Just a "Here's the mugshot, look at this black guy, here's his house he did it trust me bro"
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>>877666 Jesus fuck, that link is more tracker than actual link. https://www.foxla.com/news/tweets-from-la-county-sheriffs-deputy-on-compton-shooting-stir-controversy/ >>877714 wew, an actual "WE DID IT TWITTER" moment the way things are going this guy is lucky he wasn't shot before his identity was cleared >Wonder if this could be used to get Ian Miles Cheong banned from Twitter. No harm in reporting him for that.
>>877121 Yeah, that's brain on meth.
>>877362 Depends on what part of Florida. Really only three counties count as "not southern".
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>>877121 Well, I remember seeing a 2% of doctorated professors saying that under Bush everything was great. Robert Kehoe fought like a bitch defending the tetraethyllead until the end of his life.
Do we have data of people still under arrest for the protest? Civil law workers trying to release arrested people? committees protecting the arrested people in the recent waves of unrest?
>>877121 Including the last three is wildly retarded, at least wait for hindsight to be 2020 before including them.
>>877923 What? Are you sure you posted this in the right thread?
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>>877923 >Tetraethyllead, abbreviated TEL, is an organolead compound with the formula (CH₃CH₂)₄Pb. It is a petro-fuel additive, first being mixed with gasoline beginning in the 1920s as a patented octane rating booster that allowed engine compression to be raised substantially.
>>877714 >his home address had been published online by a right-wing extremist Twitter influencer named Ian Miles Cheong I‘m edging to cut this fat weasel‘s throat.
>>877714 >Ian Miles Cheong That fucking idiot deserves to get living shit beaten out of him for being such a nimrod.
>>876913 Miracleman is commie propaganda
>>876466 accurate
>>877714 Based Ian the capitalist rightoid wrecker
Is that the BDSM posting egirl simp we wuz european faggot?
>>877291 Ted Kaczynski but he read state and revolution instead
>>878282 I wish he added some detail as to how the gommie countries would have reacted. Communist utopia was being enacted, but forcibly so by Übermenschen. There was a lot of potential there.
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I made something for you guys
>>878394 nice, thanks
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A based tranarchist became a town's sheriff candidate in the United States.
>>878438 >elevate fringe, alienating <0.1% subcultures >surely that will convince the proletariat to join us
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LARPers are beating the war drums
This tranarchist did entryism successfully and was voted as the candidate accidentally.
>>878438 Isn't the "tranarchist" an ancap, or is there more than one trans sheriff ?
>>878500 are we looking at another UTR?
https://nitter.snopyta.org/catcontentonly/status/1306735280930664448 Seems 4 Psl activists that organized Blm protests got arrested on multiple charges (most bogus obviously). Opinions on that?
>>878598 show trials. nothing unexpected.
>>878598 not a fan of that happening if we're being honest
>>878605 This is the future of American socialism though, the State will use every possible mean of coercion to avoid a socialist resurgence. Once you acknowledge this there are only two paths IMHO: 1) Accept that the revolutionary is a already a dead man and dedicate oneself to militancy 2) Go full doomer and stop doing anything
>>878647 I don't disagree, just saying I don't like it.
>>870869 I am a very empathetic person and I felt good watching that.
>>878598 McCarthyism is back.
>>878658 Police forfeit their humanity. They are tools of the system, that's all.
>>878598 I wonder what the charges will be. These feel like the precursor to the Palmer Raids of the 21st century.
>>878693 Civil disturbance or something equally vague
>>878693 They were charged with felonies, "kidnapping"
>>878697 Now that's just brazenly making up charges. Jesus fucking hell.
If Jimmy Dore's and Nick Brana's "People's Party" was smart they would publicly defend PSL on their social media to gain some credibility on their assertion they can "unite the progressives and working class." But since they're not smart, they'll continue being viewed as the grifter party in left circles.
https://twitter.com/mdoukmas/status/1306936855762534407 ex-cops help a landlord evict someone
>>878438 Anarchism is when Bezos can do whatever he wants
>>878598 You know that scene from "Come and See" where the Germans burn down the village with everyone in that townhouse? If only after surrounding the police station the ppl in Denver did the same.
>>878874 >You know that scene from "Come and See" where the Germans burn down the village with everyone in that townhouse? Didn't krauts also do that to some shithole in France?
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>>878976 lmao 3rd pic looks like a head frozen inside an ice cube
>>878976 If i saw any of these faggots on the road I'd make sure to run 'em over fucking technophiles
Hey anyone remember when there were big pile of mysterious bricks at all the protest. I don't remember seeing anything lately with such obvious glowly shit
>>878647 How is 1 even an option when the general public is so reactionary? You'll die for nothing.
>>878992 This is what your future looks like, wagie.
>>879989 There was a cop not too long ago who was caught planting a bunch of molotov cocktails
>>880184 >No one gives a shit if Portland or Seattle burns. Completely wrong. I very much want as most of America as possible to burn.
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>>880184 >Going to yell at cops and kneel to blacks all night? It's boring, either do something real or shut up. No one gives a shit if Portland or Seattle burns. They were shit holes before and will continue to be. Embarrassing to be larping as revolutionaries when all you do is stand around and yell "black lives matters" at the cops. At least Israel likes you. And you wonder why normal people don't take you serious. Sir this is an African basket weaving forum.
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>It's boring, either do something real or shut up.
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>>881255 the emotion in this man's voice, my god
>>881255 Hell yeah
>>881255 Isn't it kind of disadvantageous for all the cops to gather in one place like that
>>881380 Yes. Take notes.
>>878114 Why wouldn't it be in the same thread being commented that a professor is doing stupid shit? I side-commented that is understandable based on two different events. >>878169 Also increased the lead presence in the environment, and it is related to lower scholar efficiency. Kehoe proposed a paradigm in which is nearly impossible to propose the suspension on toxic chemicals just by mild presumptions.
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>>881285 Now that was a thing of beauty.
>>881380 I hate to be that fucking dork, but they're reacting just like NPC cops in gta.
>>878773 Give them some days.
>>881255 The fuck does aired out? Whats happening?
>>878170 too much work to go to malaysia, andy ngo is a much better target
>>881440 The cops got shot
>>881380 disadvantageous for them, advantageous for us
>>881440 aired out meaning to have the wind blow through/over something. So to be aired out is to have the air blowing through the holes that are now inside of you
>>881444 >>881467 Oh I see, my first guess was some sort of someone being talked down to or owned.
>>881433 GTA cops are frighteningly realistic >blow away some rando poor person >crickets >silently knife a single cop in a dark alley >50 cop cars catapult over the horizon
>>881479 >GTA cops Fuck, this made me think back. Remember when the cops in Florida chased down that hijacked UPS van and fired on it on the highway, in rush hour bumper-to-bumper traffic. They even used civilian cars (with civilians in them!) as cover and ended up killing the hostage and an unrelated civilian. Funny how that was memory holed.
>>881255 is this the same incident from a couple days ago? where the 2 lasd cops got shot while parked? or is it a different one?
>>881511 That is the one.
>>881380 police don't really exercise disciplined tactics, especially not beat cops. they just kind of drive to where everyone else, get out with their gun and just surround a point of interest. it's the kind of thing that would get an entire squad in Iraq killed with one well-placed IED, or a few machine gun bursts. police departments realize this, which only adds to their chaotic aggression during arrests. they just don't bank on ever encountering someone with actual training.
>>881510 So much shit has happened since then it's hardly surprising. But that's also the history of police violence for you.
>>881513 Like Dave Chappelle pointed out there's a pattern with big cop killers being ex military.
>>881510 >Remember when the cops in Florida chased down that hijacked UPS van and fired on it on the highway, in rush hour bumper-to-bumper traffic. They even used civilian cars (with civilians in them!) as cover and ended up killing the hostage and an unrelated civilian. Funny how that was memory holed. Link? I never heard of this
>>881510 >Fuck, this made me think back. Remember when the cops in Florida chased down that hijacked UPS van and fired on it on the highway, in rush hour bumper-to-bumper traffic. They even used civilian cars (with civilians in them!) as cover and ended up killing the hostage and an unrelated civilian. Funny how that was memory holed. Just heard about it a few days ago on the radio. The family just filed a lawsuit. https://www.officer.com/command-hq/news/21154550/civilian-victims-in-ups-truck-shootout-sue-florida-law-enforcement-agencies Lol at civilian victims. They really think they're military. Twenty officers from four police agencies opened fire in a shootout with armed robbers — a deadly encounter that triggered a volley of more than 300 bullets ... >>881547
>>880242 >At least Israel likes you. Israel trains the cops lmao. Rightoids are hilarious.
>>881574 All over stolen jewelry that could be replaced with insurance and iirc it wasn't even a huge value of jewelry.
>>881510 I mean, in general you're kind of fucked if cops start lighting someone up. They give almost no fucks and don't stop to consider backstops. There was a shooting a mile from my house where some kid rushed out of his car with a loaded gun and cops (there was at least 6 cops firing in different directions) just fucking went and unloaded into the intersection during rush hour traffic. I think there was a video of it (maybe in the body cam) where all the civs are ducking behind a uHaul trying to avoid being ventilated fucking ridiculous man
>>881707 it seems that burger cops go full blood for the blood god at a second's notice. what the fuck causes this psychosis.
>>882464 They are given an allowance to be terrorists by boomers. The average age of your average cop is like 40 or so.
>>882464 Training and idealogy.
>>882456 >only 2 dead >"mass" shooting
>>882456 Wonder what that was about. This had to be a targeted hit. Most mass shooters turn themselves in or blow their brains out when the deed is done. I'm getting D.C sniper vibes from this.
>>882464 low intelligence and antisocial personality traits
>>882464 No consequences mixed with typical bourgeois psychopathy.
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>>882537 is this a meme
>>882571 It should be
>Hell no we should just laugh at everybody that's protesting against a Trump coup and become indistinguishable from /pol/ to the masses That's not something I suggest as the masses will align even more towards liberalism as opposed to socialism. These protests will happen with or without /leftypol/. As I mentioned it puts socialists out of touch with the vast majority of working class and the issues they hope to address. Needs to be heard. Same thing happened here with CHAZ
>>882608 We are already indistinguishable from /pol/ to the masses. We are just a bunch of old chantards who read weird shit and irritate people online. Optics don't matter. Besides, seeing people ignore the bullshit has to be more enlightening than pandering to them the way that mainstream politicians do. >Same thing happened here with CHAZ What happened at CHAZ was that idiots spent the whole time smoking weed and reciting poetry, and nobody even thought to put up decent barracades or to make any real preperations whatsoever for when the pigs would eventually roll up. It really was just the festival that Derkin said it was, and people got bored when no real direction was agreed upon. Go Hawks.
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>>882632 What I am critiquing here is the extreme contrarianism often found on this site, and the outright rejection of participation in spontaneous uprisings and working class movements that lack a true class consciousness. Your mostly right about this being a fairly fringe site. However popular communist spaces on the internet get removed or censored pretty fast, and bunkerchan is actually a pretty popular place considering the mostly revolutionary-communist userbase and the freedom of discussion here. People are allowed to discuss revolutionary methods, and glowups are usually shut down fairly quickly
Any new habbenings this weekend so far?
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>>883137 this literally happens every week
>>882685 everyone talks about shitty this place is, but no one ever posts an alternative. it's starting to piss me off.
>>883137 You'd think they would have figured out something deadlier than ricin shit by now
>>883140 Well it's bound to actually work once isn't it?
>>883149 It's because Breaking Bad using ricin as a plot point.
>>883154 Well yes, if there is a non-zero chance of success repetition will eventually give you a success
>>883154 at most you are going to kill the guy who checks the mail for bombs
>>882491 they fat
>>883143 >everyone talks about shitty this place is should be bannable tbh
https://www.facebook.com/pslweb/videos/369841444405751/ PSL Emergency protest in Denver asking for the phony charges on the protesters.
>>883491 >Opinions about the site should get one banned Cringe take
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>>883651 Excuse me but I'm an expert on FORUMS THEORY, and people constantly whining about the place in which they can't stop posting are a cancer among cancers.
>>883763 >Excuse me but I'm an expert on FORUMS THEORY, and people constantly whining about the place in which they can't stop posting are a cancer among cancers <giving this much care over trivial matters
>>883763 is there any space on the internet that has seen more nuanced discussion in the past few months? i don't think so. i think the collective anxiety of the West got shat out online and you can feel it almost everywhere these days. leftypol seems to be doing actually.
>>883826 >giving this much care over trivial matters wheredoyouthinkyouare.jaypeg
>>880044 Militancy does not forcibly entail doing adventurist shit and/or highbrow action. Even organizing in your neighbourhood could be it.
>>801173 Why should I give a singular fuck about a child rapist who died
>>870944 Just like britbongs
>>871172 Definitely porkandcheese ancestry here.
hot take alarmism>accelerationism
>>884118 One leads to the other
>>883880 I second this. All things considered, the instability to come has always beeen lurking in the forefront of leftypol discourse.
>>884412 >the instability to come has always beeen lurking in the forefront of leftypol discourse. What does erectile dysfunction have to do with leftypol discourse?
>>878901 Germans did that everywhere. In my country as well.
>>883880 I found leftypol more stable in political discussions than our external circle. Tbh, despite our differences, our common ground is too solid to create a big deal or a big problem among us. Outside the problem is that the fake leadership, fake rhetoric, split the public. We can see through them in a blink. Mods also do an awesome job purging counterintelops pushing fight between us/purging fake narratives that could be dangerous to some. Some times mods work is easy because we can deal with it, some times gets complicated when we let them pass engaging discussion openly with trolls.
>>884429 The most vitriolic posts are usually leftist infighting, often between pro- and anti-dengists and the like. I haven't seen too many people taking rightoid trolls or even libs that seriously. But yeah, the mods have been doing a good job which helps too.
>>884435 >The most vitriolic posts are usually leftist infighting, often between pro- and anti-dengists and the like
>>884435 Honestly I see no reason to fight over Dengism as it has been demonstrated to be the only remotely successful version of communism
>>884438 Just pointing out what I've seen while skimming the threads. I could be wrong, I don't spend all day hanging out here lol.
>>884444 DIE, CAPITALIST
>>884449 Capitalists and bankers aren't incompatible with communism
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>>884451 Porkies are coopting leftist concepts like universal health care. Why can't we coopt their concepts like capitalists and bankers?
>>884457 Think about your question. Why exactly can't concepts such as capitalists and (I'll assume you mean in the present sense) bankers be incorporated into socialist construction? Do you think co-optation is a simple two-way street of 'they do it to us, so we do it to them', that simple?
>>884457 Why the fuck should someone ask this. Porkies allow for universal health care because it's being put under a system that they control. They still control all the resources coming in and out, because being a porky implies gaining control over material resources that you can then use to manipulate society. They have no problem manipulating society by later threatening to take away healthcare and more, and while it is working, they can benefit from having a more stable, reliable workforce. "co-opting" the concept of a capitalist or a banker literally is asking why don't we just hand over control of significant portions of our society's resources to capitalists. The fact you cannot differentiate between a concept that is useful for building up any given society and asking why we cannot introduce literal hostile agents of change means you have no idea what the fuck is going on.
>>884482 >why don't we just hand over control of significant portions of our society's resources to capitalists Because they're more efficient in light industry innovations?
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>>884506 >Because they're more efficient in light industry innovations? <actually capitalism is an innovating factor of society
Daily reminder that no lives matter and the universe doesn't give a fuck about you.
>>884508 Capitalists develop productive forces better. That's a fact
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>>884506 Self-aggrandizing Porky propaganda. "Capitalists are great at innovation!" is another little myth porky tells himself at night in order to justify his parasitism. Socialist societies had no issues "innovating" in light industry, and myths like that exist purely to mask the fact that the proletariat physically do not need porky. He's a bloated middle man in the cycle of production who parasitically leaches surplus value which contributing nothing of value. >>884545 USSR managed to industrialize perfectly fine without capitalists. As did China - which went from a feudal shithole to a major industrial power which produced ICBM's and theormonuclear weapons in less than 20 years. China's GDP growth and general economic development actually slowed with the Dengist market reforms, as the economic growth of the USSR did with the far more moderate market reforms of the 60's/70's. Besides, if this was really the case then how do you explain the DPRK, which stuck to a traditional planned economy and despite being a tiny little country under harsh sanctions, developed into a major industrial power with living standards now surpassing China? If anything, Porky just maldevelops any economy he touches, and if the presence of a capitalist class was really such a huge factor in industrialization then most of the third world should be major industrial powers. This myth is on level with "hurr durr communists destroy culture" myth that midwits peddle online.
>>884556 >DPRK living standards have no surpassed China WHAT?!
>>884558 Look at the developments going on in the DPRK right now. Cities like Pyongyang and even poorer towns like Wonsan are shaping up like something out of an eco Sci-Fi utopia. Hunger is gradually being eliminated, houses are getting bigger, access to goods and services are now rivaling the bottom tier of the first world. While the country itself probably has a GDP level equivalent to the second world, in terms of living standards major city dwellers are approaching first world standards of living. Certainly better than the majority of Chinese.
>>884560 cont, because I pressed enter too early* Comparing modern DPRK with the DPRK of the early 2000's is like comparing China now with the China of the 1980's. Development is so rapid it's legitimately hard to keep up with. 6 or 7 years ago, Japanese economists labelled the DPRK "the poorest of the most advanced economies in the world" and with a nuclear deterrent the government has basically ended the Songun policy in all but name and focused on developing the economy and living standards. While rural areas are still behind they are chugging along too, and it's shaping up to be a kind of comfy sci fi socialism.
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>>884562 the only 80's nostalgia I give a shit about when North Korea was unanimously considered "best korea".
>>884556 >developed into a major industrial power with living standards now surpassing China Take your meds.
>>884560 >>884562 Unironically kys We don't need dumb people like you in our ideology
>>884569 >DPRK is trying to develop its economy and raise living standards and it’s actually working <You idiot, you fucking retard, dont you realize youre not allowed to say good things about the bad guy countries?
>>884569 That's what I get for trying to communicate with Yankee "socialists". Carpet Nuke America.
>>884575 >>884562 >>884560 >>884556 um, do you actually have proof for this? I mean, I'd love to believe it, but the economic data hasnt been looking too good the last 3 years.
>>884586 Official "economic data" is that the DPRK's GDP hasn't grown since the 1990's, and is on level with Haiti, a country where people eat baked mud. Not only would this be unprecedented - it assumes that the DPRK has not produced or traded a single thing, it's ridiculous to think that a country with a GDP equivalent to Haiti could develop and indigenously produce theromonuclear weapons and ICBM's, advanced electronics and military hardware, etc, despite being under the harshest sanctions in history. When observing official "economic data" remember most of the DPRK's trading is done under the table and technically illegal. If going by official data then it'd seem like their economic is in the shits, but that assumes that China/Russia are actually enforcing sanctions, which they aren't. The truth is there isn't a lot of "proof" beyond actually looking at the developments eg in city infrastructure and anecdotal accounts about living standards and consumption, because: 1. The DPRK does not public economic data 2. Even if they did, they wouldn't publish info on their (technically) illegal economic activity 3. Economic data from the west can't be trusted and is openly distorted to produce ridiculous results.
The DPRK isn't even a shadow of its former self. It's garbage and will be even more garbare in the future.
>>884593 So the economic data of North Korea is just a blackhole for foreigners - we can't accurate gauge it, correct? This seems logical, considering even the CIA can't pull off significant infiltrations into the DPRK intelligence network.
>>884569 >ideology
>>884600 can we get a downvote system here?
>>884593 Well if I might chime in, I actually know a few people who used to work in food aid in North Korea (late 2000s/early 2010s iirc) and what they told me is the following: Pyong Yang and a few cities and industrial areas are okish, the lack of consumer goods and other amenities gets balanced out by the cleanliness, beauty and safety of the cities. I also hear that the feeling of community and comradery is intoxicating, even for foreigners. On the other hand the countryside is africa-levels of fucked up, with various problems such as failing (or complete lack of) infrastructure, severe malnourishment (high rates of stunting in children) and disease. Interestingly enough, North Korea is a popular destination for food aid people of colleges, because you get the same payment and benefits you would get if you went to syria or Afghanistan, while at the same time being safer than most western countries.
>>884625 They should've emptied the cities.
>>884625 >I also hear that the feeling of community and comradery is intoxicating, even for foreigners. I guess Juche is pretty good
>>884568 >>884569 relax niggas it's like you're never seen funposting before
>black guy in a blm shirt shoots up white bar Uh this shit is about to get real bad. There's no precedent here for a back and forth between white and black lone wolves.
>>884643 Source?
>>884643 Source?
>>884630 that not funposting, thats being a dumbfuck
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>>884628 based retard
>>884630 >merely pretending
>>884643 >>884756 Dafuq are you talking about, it was some random dude who opened fire on random people, one of the victims being another black guy. I don't see any political correlation. So far I haven't seen anything about the guy wearing a BLM t-shirt, but even so it wouldn't matter. The guy who did it is clearly some individual who isn't right in the head.
>>884556 >Besides, if this was really the case then how do you explain the DPRK, which stuck to a traditional planned economy and despite being a tiny little country under harsh sanctions, developed into a major industrial power with living standards now surpassing China? lmfao at the absolute delusions concocted by anti-dengoids to shield their ideology from ever having to come to terms with the conditions actually in existence
>>884593 "Those buildings are payed actors." -- brainlet western bootlicker
>>884593 >the stats say that socialism is a better system than being a third world capitalist colony >the stats must be wrong
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>>886212 >thinking police prevent crime >thinking that rising crime rates are caused by anything other than COVID more than doubling the unemployment rate
>>886212 >be cop >make $200k a year >city says they aren't buying you a new APC this month >stop doing your job
>>886282 But nobody actually defunded the cops yet?
>>886212 are the police too poor to apprehend street racers now or does this just prove that they use their monopoly on state violence in order to extort their municipalities for high salaries, surplus military equipment, and the privilege to act above the law? presumably they still have enough cash to fill up their cruisers and apprehend public menaces. so they are choosing not to do so in order to play politics. in China local party organizations were responsible for keeping people from violating quarantine during
>>886335 ...the initial covid outbreak, without even using APCs or firearms, and they saved untold millions by doing this. But no one even thinks in the US that the police have any responsibility to keep the public safe; it is just the fact that there is no one else who has the authority to do so that confuses people into thinking that it the job of the police.
>>886212 They are probably just adding in the rioting into the statistics of violent crimes.
>>886212 >nooo the police need more tanks and drones! Don’t stop the slush fund for militarization. Not muh heckin inflated police budgetarino!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjsX0fg_8jA A white policeman was searching for a white man, arrests a black man.
>>886326 A few places here or there supposedly slashed the next budget plan already. The only notable one, however, seems to be New York, whose mayor has been butting heads with the NYPD but for politicking bullshit as opposed to police abuse.
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>>886807 >You gonna shoot me so I can be another person on the news? <Shut the fuck up with that shit! Won't understand til people are cheering as his brains leak out his skull. >>886212 >why are leftists so dumb? literally everyone saw this coming. Is this a bait post? No cities have defunded the police, and if they did, it wouldn't take effect til next years budget cousin fucker. But what happened this year that might possibly increase the crime rate. Hmmmm.....
>>886335 Carceral Capitalism by Jackie Wang is a good book on how the police state raises revenue through arbitrary fees and shit.
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How many burger anons went on field trips to police stations when they were younger? I remember one time we went, when they showed us the gun range, they were showing us the spent shells and flattened lead bullets. And they only gave one shell to one kid by random draw, but they let the rest of us have as much flattened lead bullets as we wanted. Lolllfdsfgdfg.
>>886904 they put a few of us in cells back when we went
>>886904 I never went on field trips because my parents would never give me money to pay for tickets.
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What is your antfia rank?
>>886958 >Meat shields are anarchists, officers are communists. Perfect
>>886958 I like how there is just one and two arrows, implying there are ranks of antifa only against one or two of the things. "what? against racism, fascism, and capitalism? sorry, I only signed up for the fascism part."
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>>886904 FIRE CHADS
>>886958 Soros fucking denied my promotion to Colonel i'm so angry rn
>>886971 isn't the third arrow communism?
>>886992 Arrow one, monarchism - papen Arrow two, fascism - hitler Arrow three, communism - thalmann
>>886972 Based and fire pilled
>>886212 MPD has already been defunded?
>>886958 PLEASE MAKE A VERSION OF THIS WITH RED STARS INSTEAD OF SNOWFLAKES
>>887047 Also the red inverted triangle could do.
>>886807 God I hate these people
>>887139 <MUH thin blue line
>>887139 good thing they didn't actually go through with their defunding, retard thanks for making our point for us
>>886958 I'm actually a commissar and you all better be on your best behavior.
>>887139 >according to data compiled by the Minneapolis Police Department Notably unreliable source.
>>887139 The department hasn't been defunded you retard
LOOK LOOK NEXT HE'S GONNA SAY "JOGGERS" AGAIN
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>>887233 The cuck gonna do it!
<RIOTS ARE EMERGING AGAIN IN PORTLAND.
>>887371 Oh goodie, sauce?
>>887371 You got sources?
>>886958 Was this made as a joke? Or is it a boomer fantasy?
>>886945 Is this why you’ve become an e-whore
>>887391 not much happened today iirc but there is a large proud boy march planned for next weekend, that might be spicy. hopefully a few more of them join that one aaron guy in hell
>>887392 A flag burning. So violent!
>>887391 wait actually if you look at woke there are tons of people around a landlords house there, some windows got broken a few minutes ago. probably nothing much will happen but we can hope they roast some porkies woke stream: https://www.twitch.tv/woke
>>887392 >broke >>887405 WOKE
>>887422 I didn't know I needed this, thank you based dubs
>>887422 >The Left can't me-
>>886904 >Giving lead to children The cops' stupidity knows no bounds
>>886282 >A massive recession caused an uptick of street crimes / crimes of poverty in an already generally less well off city that got ratfucked by deindustrialisation >"Having police sergeant lardass roving around in a APC would have definetly prevented this guys!"
>>886212 >We have to stop ZoG <But we also have to defend it's methods of enforcement >We have to stop the Obama-era militarization of the police! <By defending their budgets from the ebul protesters Can you spineless fucking cowards have a conviction already? If all it takes is the police not doing their job in order to justify to you their methods and budgets, then you are effectively providing them free reign continue as they are as they will always have such a leverage.
>>886212 >be leftists >"DEFUND TEH POLICE!" >said defunding of police results in a massive crime increase Good
>>886212 Crime is on the rise everywhere dude, tends to happen when economic crisis hits.
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>>886958 I am a 2-snowflake general
>>888002 This looks great, good work commrade
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>>878976 >pics 1 and 2
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>>888102 Nah, nibba, you got it all wrong.
>>887395 Shaytan is a girl?
>>888518 A femboy, and under the servalince state we are all cam-whores
>>888534 That explains the namefagging and the black flag.
>>888002 OH MY GOD THIS IS PERFECT
>>888537 Wheres your nametag and flag? Camwhore
>>888518 He's an MKultra subject
>>886945 Fugging namefags.
>>888534 >femboy Fug I was ready to spread some cheeks at the next leftypol cookout, but I haven‘t reached that level of degeneracy yet
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>>888002 HOLY KEK I'm on the floor 🤣
>>889127 >but I haven‘t reached that level of degeneracy yet And you call yourself a lefy
Why is trump and magapedes treating 'blue states' like they aren't part of America anymore
>>889277 Because Trump and his ilk built their reputation as "real americans" and as opposition to the blues, so now they are working to (their) logical conclusion
So what do we got? Bring me good news & bad news, lads.
>>889285 Burgers have given up hope on the protests and have started to seeethe against le dengoids
>>889288 the election tourists are gonna be so bad
>>889293 superb, we're tearing them apart.
>>889300 amen to that
>>889288 let them have it. let dengoids & burgers fight each others. From now on, it's our turn to use divide & conquer tactics, including with false flag ops.
>>889288 >>889293 >>889300 and the bad news?
>>889317 "Dengiods" only exist in the heads of the deranged. It is burgers all the way down.
>>889397 lmfao, I beat up some chink dengoid when I was at a kink club a couple months ago, he was fucking i agreeING about white people shouldn't be allowed to come in and "conquer" asian women yadadada, and got really mad cause I was domming a white girl he had been trying to go after for a while apparently and I was domming her on my first night there, dengoids are very real and they all have an energy of r/Asianmasculinity, constantly assblasted by their inferiority complex to the white man.
>>889467 Wtf does this have to do with deng or china? burgers are fucking deranged
>>889467 is this pasta
>>889293 cool, moving to the ANARCHY ZONE to leave capitalism behind
>>889467 Cool story bro
>>889470 He was a dengist, it was in vancouver BC, he kept ranting about how the CCP would take over the city and whites were gonna slaughtered in the street, it was hysterical
>>889293 We did it boys
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>>889467 >lmfao, I beat up some chink dengoid when I was at a kink club a couple months ago post of the year all year every year
>>889493 No, this is only the beginning, the fight starts here
>>889467 This really bears repeating now: "Dengoids" only exist in the heads of the deranged.
>>889474 If it wasn't before, it certainly is now. >>889127 Anon... don't you know we're all gay here?
>>889607 Big if true
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>>889688 wew, preemptive state of emergency, what a time to be alive What about that pedo brothel in Minneapolis? Was that shit real or what?
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>>889688 do I hear a sizzle
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>>889715 >>889721 godspeed to the smashies
>>889715 >we would rather have a war (in which it's possible more than three cops actually die) than prosecute three of our cops for murder Mask is off, thrown on the floor, and they're jumping up and down on it now.
>>889467 We finally achieved full anarchism! Eat it, tankies.
>>889731 Have any cops been killed AT any of the protests? All the recent cop deaths seem to be isolated incidents like the one Tulsa a few days ago
>>889739 not yet, but keep in mind that any overt, lethal aggression is likely going to come from the state first. all you need is one trigger happy rookie and you have kent state 2.0
>>889739 some people were shooting at cops during the first few days in louisville, they shot either 4 or 7 (forget the exact number) and forced the rest to retreat a few blocks before escaping (may or may not have been caught by now) but none of the cops died
America riots on Tuesdays because god won't let me have fun
>>889721 For a second I thought the protesters pulled a gun on them. What a fool I was.
>>889749 every day is saturday when you're unemployed and broke lmao
>Louisville declares a state of emergency ahead of Brianna Taylor decision STRAP IN LADS IT'S GONNA BE LA 92 ALL OVER AGAIN
>tfw cashed in some of my stocks and shares for a gun and ammo a week ago Who says you can't play the game to end the game?
The one thing that seems to tickle me is just how old and fat the right has gotten, not like the left is all that much more fit and all that shit but still. I haven't seen like any one swole trumpfag period
>>889756 I was actually amused by the number of /biz/fags looking to buy guns during the panic buys.
Just a reminder, there’s PSL members still in jail for kidnapping after being thrown into black vans while sitting at home doing nothing.
>>889752 Same. I was excited for a second because I thought one of the rightoids trying to run people over would finally get got
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>>883137 yeah, update on the ricin. it was a canuck lmao
>>889731 To be frank, they didn't remove anything. American cops have been shielded by the State to an absurd degree, probably higher than with troops or even porkies themselves. Cops are almost never thrown to the lions, regardless of guilt.
>>889715 So they didn’t even have a trial? No wonder they’re declaring a state of emergency.
>>889765 Even leafs are less docile than burgers.
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>>889778 >1966 America literally kept only the bad things from old times.
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>>889778 Lol, Cops gonna Cop. Anyone have a screencap of that cop that posted that image of him pointing his gun at a cartoon version of a black kid running?
>>889715 Blood boils over. I’m so sick of this bullshit.
>>889715 RIP kentucky fried chicken
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>>889835 >I'm gonna.... I'm gonna...... I'M GONNA SHOOOOOOOOOOT
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>>889755 Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
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hmm is this the same canadian lady again
>>889976 Lol this is like Breaking Bad
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>>889976 >>890025 Bravo Vince!
>>890032 whats the point of doing that? unless they eat the envelope its unlikely that they will get a lethal dose
>>890025 Critical support for crazy boomer leaf lady in her struggle against U$A imperiali$m
>>890075 she had beef because they deported her from texas back in 2019.
>>890102 She should be sending them gift baskets.
>>890069 You're right it would probably not even be that dangerous. It's more scary than anything. But people seeing people get the letters is funny and reminds the other crazy people of the option, and they might try something that actually works. It's a sign that thing are accelerating.
>>890258 any idea if they were gonna attack something else or the rally itself? if the latter this is a lesson to be more careful about stuff if anyone is planning anything
>>890258 weird they just had tourniquets, unless they figured it was a one-way trip. what the hell would the pitchfork be good for either?
>>890279 They probably had things that weren't mentioned. They're going to mention the stuff that works best for a headline.
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>>890258 >200 ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION I'm amazed
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>>890258 >a pitchfork
Republicans passing blood codes to use protesters and rioters as prison labor.
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>>873874 NOT WITHOUT INCIDENT
>>890294 I bet police funding accross the state increases and they start shooting random people in their cars like they already have done.
>>889715 At least we don’t have to worry about the play offs! Thanks Obama!
>>890294 Wow so you have carte blanche to run over protesters in Florida.
>>890317 Oh they’re going to milk the riots to stop counting mail-in ballots, deputize RWDS against the mass protests (insurrection act) and use the right wing SCOTUS to justify all that plus imprisoning the peaceful protesters on accessory charges for just being there. It’s going to be a whole new racket, because it’s profitable what with free prison labor and all. Best part is the proles here aren’t even organized enough to boycott Fox News advertisers. It’s really the perfect storm.
>>890325 Is it time to completely forsake Florida?
>>890327 No, that's wasting resources
>>890328 What resources?
>>890332 Limestone and oranges
>>890325 what rwds? theyve gotten their asses kicked constantly, and have not killed one actual leftist. they shot three people who had probably never went to a protest before in their lives in some random town in wisconson but have gotten their asses kicked every time they try to enter a city (pic related)
>>890346 based I'm starting to like the narchos more and more. Lol @ the end when the guy's friends admit they didnt get the guys license plate or catch him on camera at all lol
>>890346 Proof positive that while one should never underestimate one's enemies, one must also be wary of overestimating them as well.
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>>890325 the trump's autism literally accelerating revolution? This is the shit that will literally force libs/radlibs to fight against the government. He's literally forcing the hand of people into revolution, if he rigs shit that blatantly and hard
>>890346 Did he actually get ran over by "antifa" or did the proud soy just stand in the middle of road like a dumbass
>>890357 its probably some rando radlib protestor but the soyright guy just stood there
>>890353 go outside and you will like them even more
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>>890355 that's true but I think it's going to amount to a lot of moral indignation under the bridge because Trump is going to outright legit win again anyways because of the EC and the midwest continuing to shift red.
>>890441 >the midwest continuing to shift red. Doesn't look like it...
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So what are expecting to see in Louisville during the court hearing? Riots? A domino effect of civil unrest in the country? Or just nothing?
>>890498 nothing. the unrest will only start when the republicans do something. people aren't going to do more than pussyhat protest in the need of defending the process
>>890552 in the name of**
>>890455 what exactly is fucking happening here? context?
>>890346 >they shot three people who had probably never went to a protest before in their lives in some random town i Please, do us a favor a don't denigrate on people who protest and gets killed by rightwing militias.
>>890346 Real talk here. The physical threat from reactionaries is not from private groups all by themselves, but by their endorsement by the powers that be. You look at history, and rightwing forces which weren't drafted, almost to a fault, slaughtered peasants or were flat-out terrorists. I'm not joking when I said they're cowards by nature, it's part of the pathology. Without support from the powers that be, they would be paper tigers. Sabotaging their standing with the ruling classes should be a priority of any intel work against them.
>>890612 >Sabotaging their standing with the ruling classes should be a priority of any intel work against them. How could we do that?
>>890636 I meant as in spy work.
>>890552 you could have said the same thing about the floyd riots and if you're seriously trying to compare "burning down a PD without leftist provocation" with "pussyhat riots" then you're a brainlet. But to answer >>890498 question, Iunno, wait till tomorrow. The hope is it is the next escalation against the state, but even if it's just part 3 of the overarching riot saga, that's useful in its own right.
>>890357 They knew it was antifa because they drove a black car. definitive proof. Seriously though, these people call anyone who isn't a fat chud Antifa. Years ago, I remember Lauren Southern calling a bunch of goth teenagers Antifa because they flicked her off.
>>888002 Haha based
>>890355 >and people still doubt that Trump is a based retard chaos candidate accelerating the deacy of the US empire from within
>>890293 Either symbolism or they just didn't bother taking everything out of the vehicle first, and the news is reporting it as part of the plan when it's really just coincidence. Hilarious either way.
>>890293 I LIVE, AGAIN
>>890972 god late May was so comfy, i just want it back bros
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RWfags are so funny to me >lefties/antifa protest <who cares lol, what a bunch of soyboys >lefties + black people protest <NOOOOOO NOT THE HECKIN TARGETRINOOOOO NEED GUNS NOWWW seems like they're still real scared of black people lol. in other news: is /leftypol/ voting by mail?
>>891026 Imagine voting in VA without the Greens or PSL on the ballot
>>891055 Depending on where you are there might be down ballot people worth voting for tbh.
>>891055 >not voting for Vermin Supreme It's like you don't care about your dental hygene.
>>891026 I'm in California, so yes, I'm voting by mail, because I live in a functioning country.
>>891139 >because I live in a functioning country this is false tho
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Louisville police are barricading the downtown area lol https://twitter.com/anoncatanoncat/status/1308421218652086278
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>>891144 > 891144 I'm sure they all ready decided that those murders are innocent.
>>891144 More barriers must have gone up around US government buildings than at the Mexican border by now.
>>891144 imagine they all go to a police station outside of that area and burn it while the vast majority of the cops are stuck inside that part of the city
>>891181 Take. Notes. Look at how they have emergency lanes and designated checkpoints. Very useful information in a situation where cops are trying to leave that area to go somewhere else. They are creating their own choke points.
Police chief sent out this email
>>891195 for now though, i dont think we are anywhere near organized enough to block off all those checkpoints in a coordinated manner, although that would be a very good idea attacking assets far away from there would require a lot less coordination, since its only one thing instead of eight different checkpoints that would all need to be blocked off for 12+ hours until you would have any chance of the cops inside giving up or becoming unable to fight (due to exhaustion if they cant go home or running out of tear gas)
>>891195 also this shows that anyone who goes to the designated protest zone is dumb as shit, it is blocked off by two lines of police barricades and they will be seeing every person who comes in or out
>>891207 >for now though, i dont think we are anywhere near organized enough to block off all those checkpoints in a coordinated manner, although that would be a very good idea It's not that hard to roll garbage cans and shit into the road. The coordination part is just making sure blockades are up before attracting cops to leave. Once they're in the choke point there's all sorts of shit that could be done. >>891208 >Now go be the Warriors you are normal attitude >>891209 Darwin award shit tbh
>>891218 yes but you need to do this to all eight of them, and keep enough people on them so the cops cant just take them. it could probably be done with a hundred people or maybe even fewer if other protesters join them but you still need to have that plan in place beforehand, and all those people need to follow it
So is the NFAC really going to come back and hold everyone accountable or were they just fucking around?
>>891206 >do NOT give the pencil pushers at the top astounded that for how seldom the cops ever see consequences that they are still catastrophizing over the (((pencil pushers))) who hold them accountable some fraction of the times their coverups are so poorly executed it embarrasses the city
>>891256 They most likely were that model agency who pulled the same publicity stunt very early in the riots. https://www.ajc.com/news/local/dressed-the-part-panther-group-came-straight-from-central-casting/OvNstDxfbzV9MbAtOW8mzO/
>>891267 I know its crazy. I get porky and the powers that be need ruthless cops. But why don't they seek out bleary eye psychopaths like Bootyjuice? Why allow a fully retard reactionaty force that only knows how to antagonist the prols and have no sense of maintain a public image. The police and justice system is rabidly losing legitimacy in the eyes of the public and their just hitting the gas pedal.
>>891271 >Oni carried a Smith & Wesson 22LR assault rifle. You'll shoot your eye out, kid.
>>891273 Because America's rulers are similarly insane They lost touch with reality around the Reagan Admin and have only since gotten worse
>>891273 >But why don't they seek out bleary eye psychopaths like Bootyjuice? This is somewhat happening. And it works. Check out this cop in Flint, Michigan.
>>891286 NFAC is likely some glowy shit, or some hair brained socdem millionaires idea for a milita. But I don't get why people knock the .22. Its quite, easy to use, and cheap. https://youtu.be/_w4Z5azEPWk
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>>891296 So is pic related.
>>891296 reagan might have actually died if the would-be assassin chose a more powerful weapon than a .22

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