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Belarus - Glowie General Anonymous 08/09/2020 (Sun) 23:25:50 No. 758383
Belarus election: Lukashenko's claim of landslide victory sparks widespread protests >Riot police deployed in Minsk and about 20 other cities in some of the biggest clashes in the country’s history >Clashes broke out in cities across Belarus on Sunday evening as riot police used rubber bullets, flash grenades, teargas and water cannon to quash protests against the results of the contested presidential election. >Alexander Lukashenko, who has ruled for 26 years, claimed he had won a landslide victory in an election marred by accusations of vote-rigging. The election commission announced on Monday that Lukashenko took 80.23% of the votes while his main opposition challenger Sviatlana Tsikhanouskaya (independent), who has held some of the country’s largest political rallies since the days of the Soviet Union, had only 9.9%. >Large protests broke out soon after the polls closed in Minsk, where a crowd of thousands gathered in the centre of the capital. A reporter for the Guardian saw police use water cannon against protesters and was fired on by rubber bullets. Opponents of Lukashenko chanted, “Leave!” Police made dozens of arrests. In one video, an army truck appeared to run into a protester. source: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/09/belarus-election-lukashenko-landslide-victory-fixing-claims
Edited last time by Degoist on 08/10/2020 (Mon) 10:04:03.
>>784723 This ^ Every other outcome would be cringe.
>>785392 >communist protesters When and where? The communist party supports the Belarusian government and the protestors are pro EU liberals. >socialist revolution in America is just NATO trying to overthrow /sortofoneofourguys/ in the United States There are no /ourguys/ in power in an imperialist superpower like the USA.
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>>785401 Oh I guess we're calling Belarusian workers and the trade union activists protesting Lukashenko neoliberals now. https://commons.com.ua/uk/partizan-ili-rabochij-figury-belorusskogo-protesta-i-ih-perspektivy/ https://www.chronos-verlag.ch/sites/default/files/ihv_978-3-0340-1602-5_savk.pdf https://news.tut.by/economics/696586.html?fbclid=IwAR0uLuF6lN_91tgFA4o6Qm7tPXP9lum6dHy_3BWtDz4Es477PNS21v_lshs https://jacobinmag.com/2020/08/belarus-protests-lukashenko-minsk Hmmm... Okay. So I guess, the many grassroots socialist activists like Ksenia Kunitskaya, Vitaly Shkurin, Volodymyr Artiukh and Daniel Boden who have been arrested, tortured and faced the utmost brutality from Lukashenko's security forces aren't real socialists. They just claim to be socialists fighting capitalism, but anyone who protests a capitalist like Lukashenko isn't a real socialist. The only real socialists are the ones who support capitalist dictator wannabes. I get it, it's opposite day today. >There are no /ourguys/ in power in an imperialist superpower like the USA. Do you really mean it? They say that now, but I trust that about as much as I would trust Epstein promising he would marry my daughter on his island. Sure as the driven snow, I've seen many of glow ops come into /leftypol/ over the years and call the trump family /sortofoneofourguys/ over and over and over again. Because if you repeat it many times over we have to believe it amiright? I don't ever expect glowies to stop calling their favorite fascist capitalists /sortofkindofoneofourguys/ in here even when they make good on their promises to brutally suppress "le pink haired radical antifa super soldier leftist terrorists". Not anymore. Especially watching shit like this in our echo chambers. Everyday is opposite day in glow world. Like I said: <Have fun with your accelerationist campaigns, and then turning around to delegitimize uprisings against the many monsters you create with them ;)
contrarianism, supporting color revolution, misrepresenting facts
>>777104 >>777239 >>777239 Or maybe he's just a racist cunt and you tankies are getting another hard on for any slightly left wing despot willing to stand up against NATIO
>>785420 >Links to Girondin Magazine and expects to be taken seriously. bruh
>>785427 You don't have to "support" Lukashenko or think he's "good" to denounce the protests as another colour revolution meant to bring another country + millions of cheap workers into the neoliberal/EU fold. EU would fucking love Belarus, imagine, all those sweet sweet farm machinery companies that could enter into some lucrative contracts with EU's breadbowl Romania, all done through EU commissions of course, netting some cash for further EU loans to countries like Greece. EU is a hungry beast, it needs to feed.
>>785398 This ^
>Riot police block striking workers & supporters from getting near the Minsk tractor factory. A few protesters have been detained https://twitter.com/ASLuhn/status/1296001077863747584
>>785484 >EU would fucking love Belarus Poland and Hungary fill the backwater shithole quota for the EU well enough, trust me, the EU has little to no interest in Belarus.
>>785512 >Poland and Hungary Poland has been becoming increasingly nationalist, many Poles are returning home. They consider themselves to be a rising power, they have a strong fascist movement, as well, complete with ideas of Polish supremacy. They've also been talking about Polexit. Orban has shown that Hungary doesn't give a fuck what the EU says or thinks, he's doing his own thing and he can't be relied on. Getting Belarus would provide cheap farm equipment for agricultural projects in the Baltics. Turns out, you can't make a flat country made up of farm land into a rich, prosperous neoliberal state by killing its agriculture and infusing it with loans so they can build fiber networks and teach their people to code. Worked somewhat for Estonia, I guess. EU is fucked on the Baltic question, but if they have a willing partner in Belarus they could put MENA migrants to work in the fields in the Baltics and Belarus, making them into agricultural powerhouses. Those countries have some of the lowest numbers of immigrants, but huge brain drains. As it stands now, the Baltic countries barely have any money, definitely not enough to restart a whole country-wide industry and the EU is providing only small loans to "non-service industry" businesses. I'm just spit-balling here, thinking like an imperialist. The agricultural companies will be owned by European conglomerates like Monsanto, of course, through local companies. People from the Baltics and Belarus will take their payment of middle-class life in the imperial core, while immigrants will work the fields in the Baltics, generating a profit for German and French companies.
>>785420 1) Linking Jacobin, REALLY? 2) Do you have ANY IDEA of how DANGEROUS can be a collapse of Belarus? You could have a million immigrants towards western Europe in the span of a few years, it would be A TRIUMPH for the far right in both Germany and France, not to talk about the quantity of looting neoliberal governments would bring upon the land.
>>785420 >Have fun with your accelerationist campaigns, and then turning around to delegitimize uprisings against the many monsters you create with them ;) In this case the accelerationist option is supporting the glowie backed liberal color revolution. I am sure the activists wanting Lukashenko out will be happy when the new government implements full neoliberalism and joins NATO :^)
>>777357 >treat people bad >they revolt What color did the revolutions of 1905 and 1917 have, hmm? :^)
>>778159 That's funny and all but he legit said Germany reached its peak under Hitler.
>>785557 Red, while this is the blackest reaction possible
>>785484 >EU would fucking love Belarus >EU You mean the Visegrad-US-lapdogs. However the last thing the EU needs is another instable corrupt failed state on it's eastern outskirts to pour endless amounts of money in, which is exactly what will happen in case the neoliberal US/Poland "opposition" gets into the govt over there.
>>777352 >China bases their power in the strongness of the Communist Party and the development of the country (peak socialdemocracy), and some reliance in the porky. Yeah, foreign porky that sees the benefit of unions being banned.
>>785572 >Red, while this is the blackest reaction possible Well, Lenin did get german support. So technically the USSR is the product of a color revolution. :^)
Will Putin annex Belarus?
>>785589 "Lenin did get German support" >Taking him on a train vs <Funding NGOsspreading propaganda infiltrating people in the target state training agitators in urban fighting etc Totally the same stuff, not to mention that Bolsheviks program was written by Lenin itself not by Germany, unlinke color revolutions where the program is straight up written by glowies
Luka is based pls don't go
>>785592 "No".
>>785605 Yeah tbh, I stan a queen that uses israeli phone hacking technology.
>>785420 This is what reading Jacobin and watching Vaush does to your brain
>>785427 >you tankies are getting another hard on for any slightly left wing despot willing to stand up against NATIO Yes?
>Lukachenko gets 80% >”implausible! Out damn dictator!” >Wife of YouTuber entrepreneur and blogger with only 140k subscribers claims she got 60% of the vote despite not being the sole opposition candidate >”The Belarusian people have spoken! We in NATO do not need another election to provide Belarus *their* chosen candidate ;^)” Why do liberals keep falling for this shit? This is like Venezuela all over again.
>>785398 >>785420 Even the jacobin article points out that those with economic demands are a minority among protesters. Did you actually check the five demands or the platform of the opposition leaders/media? They include: -Lukashenka must resign -Leaving the Union State and Eurasian Union -Joining EU and NATO -Talks of privatization Nothing about the contract system, unemployment benefits, pensions, unemployment. Some of these demands will also lead to Russian invasion (joining NATO/leaving the Union State) >fascist Fascism is not "beating up protesters" you fucking lib >capitalist As opposed to the mega-porkies among the opposition? Including tech "entrepreneurs" and bankers? Right now there is no leftists mass movement in Belarus. Most of these "communists/anarchists" are libs. Even the Communist party (the main one) is useless. Wake me up when we have socialist opposition candidates for president or actual economic demands instead of these opportunistic neolibs.
>>785614 Nobody apart from the government of Lithuania actually cares about Svetlana.
>>785642 She’s promoted by the global liberal media as the true victor in an election they also claim was rigged and the results of which cannot be trusted. If it was rigged then neither the official 10% nor her own claims of 60% can award her the presidency by any logic, surely. Nevertheless, like with that Juan Guaido chap, libs globally will support a violent upheaval of a local government because they were told by their local governments told them Guaido or whomever this woman is are the true victors of an election they denounced as illegitimate. It’s a problem that extends outside of Lithuania.
>>785653 It's nothing like Guaido: Guaido had institutional support within Venezuela, Sveta atm is just someone tweeting from Lithuania. No countries ever recognise her as president kek.
>>785398 >You know damn well the same psyop agents denouncing protesting the capitalist Lukashenko's fascist coup in Belarus will turn around and do the same to any American communist protesters trying to start a marxist revolution under trump. They'll grab a coffee break, and be talking about how you're little socialist revolution in America is just NATO trying to overthrow /sortofoneofourguys/ in the United States. That "Red Star Radio" guy actually said the George Floyd protests were a colour revolution against Trump lol
>>785637 The dude you responded is 100% bait or is a massive retard. Thanks for responding with actual logic and facts. You should have linked those posts tho >>781600 >>781601 I definitely agree with everything you say, you are one of the few people in this thread to have some good nuance in your opinion. Please continue like this, maybe make more post about the current state of the working class movement inside Belarus, how are unions doing? Is it true there isn't much politics because everything reside around Lukashenko? In all case, I hope you stay safe Belanon.
So now that the EU officially disregards viability of the election, what will happen? Will freedom and democracy rule eternally over Belarus?
>>785751 >/pol/ meme
>>784983 >There are always protestors with good intentions, dupes basically, in these colour revolutions and they may have legitimate grievances. and that's the thing. the "critical support of X against Y imperialism" is an outdated strategy from times when there was socialist superpower supporting communist movements across the globe. And since China doesn't give a fuck about foreign communist movements, i don't see how this can be useful.
>>785773 China just adheres rigidly to the concept of non-interference. Has its own merits tbh.
>>785773 >outdated strategy from times when there was socialist superpower There are still non-superpower socialist states in existence which are in a pragmatic alliance with anti-western non-socialist states.
>>785755 even if it’s a /pol/ meme its still correct
Has anyone read the demands of Belarusian protesters? http://zabelarus.com/ru/ Privatize, privatize, privatize. Support "job creators". Invite "foreign investors". Let the invisible hand and Western transnationals sort everything out! It's easy to protest for slogans like "peace, land and bread" but it takes REAL dedication to throw yourself in front of riot police TO ACTIVELY MAKE YOUR LIFE WORSE IN EVERY IMAGINABLE WAY FOR DECADES. Now I realize that most people on the ground are probably not familiar with these demands and probably wouldn't agree with them. But they don't have an alternative program either. Neoliberals who wrote that shit WILL seize power if the protests win and they WILL turn Belarus into a nightmare hell similar to Yeltsinite Russia. Anyone who supports the protests "to own the tankies" or because "any protest against authority is good!" is completely fucked in the head.
>>785751 >lukanïgger Based
>>785773 I would have rolled over the protesters in 1953 in East Germany, I would have also rolled over the Hungarian protesters in 1956, I wouldn't have minded squeezing some Czechs in 1968 neither, I would have flattened the Tienanmen square in 1989 and I would definitely have crushed the anti-coup protesters in 1991 Russia. So yeah, maybe life is not easy in Belarus, but live wasn't easy in the Soviet Union either, there are strikes in Belarus, there used to be strike in the Soviet Union too. At least back in the good ol' days these people had the decency to call themselves Socialist and weren't obvious petty-bourgeois liberals reactionaries like they present themselves today. So now tell me why I should support your horde of sub-humans liberal rodents when none, absolutely NONE of them proclaim themselves to be Socialist. Seriously, tell me!
>>785853 This sounds less like you're a socialist and more like you're the type to oppress whenever you see an opportunity.
>>785857 Dialectics don't care about your feelings. Give me a reason to support these vermin or get crushed.
>>785863 How old are you?
>>785863 Is it "dialectics" to kill people for the sake of killing people?
I fucking hate reddit with every fiber in my body. Of course the entirety of the big subs from r/Europe to r/worldnews is 100% on board with this, absolutely zero nuance is at hand, everybody who dares to speak out against this is either banned, downvoted into oblivion or is probably too tired to receive that treatment. It was so overtly clear that this would happen. It was so overtly clear that the opposition would be like >>785826 points out. Like, anybody who has brain could have predicted this.
>>785870 It doesn't matter how old I am, what matter is our plan. >>785871 The wheels of History are moving, and they are about to crush some liberals!
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>>785874 Wrecker protestor fetishists will support any CIA coup or anti-socialist color revolution. They did in hong kong, they did in venezuela, they did in bolivia, they did in belarus, and they even did in the ussr. They're obsessed with "democracy" and "freedom" more than they have any obsession with peace or meeting peoples' material needs. They're not actual anti-revisionists, they're not actual "left-communists", they're not trotskyists, they're not even actual anarchists. They're wrecker lapdogs. It's that simple, really.
>>785863 Ungodly amount of based
>>785896 Sure thing, Langley.
>>785905 Exactly
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In 2015 he got over 80% against another literally who woman and there were no protests. What changed since 2015?
>>786399 NED funding got to them, fully drank the imperialist liberal koolaid
>>785853 congratulations, you literally played into every NATO anti-communist infiltrator's hands.
>>786399 1)Economy got worse because of Crisis and capital flight from Russia 2)More Cia/Lithuania funding for oposition.
>>785905 /thread You put it into words perfectly.
According to Lithuanian media things are quite now. Four more glorious years of Belarusian Soviet Socialist Republic!
>>785853 I more or less agree with this post but this is the most Soviet boomer thing I've ever read here lmao
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https://www.facebook.com/khaya.ndlovu.3133/posts/308743397005337 <All major workers unions have come out in support of Lukashenko in Mogilev and Gomel. Alongside flags of Belarus and the Soviet Union were Flags of the Belarus Railway Union, The federation of trade unions, The enterprise union(Mogilev Vodokanal) and the Mogidev metallurgical Union. Interestingly Not one single fascist collobaration flag to be found among the pro Lukashenko marchers See link to view the pictures. That was like 9hours ago.
>>785853 >I would have flattened the Tienanmen square in 1989 I want to clarify, 0 protesters where harmed that day.
>>786742 The opposition couldn't get the army, police and KGB on their side aside from a small number of defections. They have no way to remove Lukashenka except by force now. So either this will start to die off now, or we will see more escalations this weekend. >>786797 Can confirm (live in Gomel) This is the problem with the opposition. Even though they need workers on their side they eschew to make economic demands. There are even reports of bosses of private firms discouraging their workers from striking. It's obvious there is nothing socialist about this movement (yet)
>>786399 Belarus is on the crossroads between accepting to be integrated into Russia or striking it alone. Luka ran out of time with his stalling which is what he's been doing for the last 3 decades. This entire thing is absolutely foreign state actors going wild, it is to either push luka to stop stalling, or replace him with somebody who will stop stalling.
>>786828 >they eschew to make economic demands aren't their economic demands pretty clear? i.e. privatise everything, destroy the unions, etc.
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Liberal-king BHL in Vilnius with the slavic Guaido. "Today at #Vilnius , with Svetlana #Tikhanovskaia , the face of the revolution #biélorusse and the face of opposition to the tyrant #Loukachenko . Where we see how the cause of women can shake a grotesque and bloodthirsty dictatorship. Documentary to come"
>>787340 >BHL Who?
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>>787354 A fucking french "philosopher" porky asshole who played a crucial role in setting up the lybian intervention. A drunken friend of mine pissed on him in a bar with Guy Debord back in the days. Everyone hates him and a national sport is to put pies in his face since the 80'.
>>787386 >A drunken friend of mine pissed on him in a bar with Guy Debord back in the days. This sounds too based to be real, I call bullshit
>>787406 Kind of exuberant friend that tells you unbelievable stories you often find out to be true eventually. I'm not sure of this one too but I like to believe it.
>>787340 Imagine every possible nazi stereotypes about international Jewry that conspire to turn nations and people against each other while promoting racist supremacist Zionist shit. This dude is literally that but actually real. Easily the first person I would put on the wall after the revolution come.
>>785773 >and that's the thing. the "critical support of X against Y imperialism" is an outdated strategy from times when there was socialist superpower supporting communist movements across the globe. Who said anything about critical support? I totally support Lukashenko. >And since China doesn't give a fuck about foreign communist movements, i don't see how this can be useful. China was the first to recognize Lukashenko. Xi congratulates Lukashenko on re-election as Belarusian president https://www.newsbreak.com/news/1614815701754/xi-congratulates-lukashenko-on-re-election-as-belarusian-president China shows support for Belarusian leader amid criticism from EU https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3097498/china-shows-support-belarusian-leader-amid-criticism-eu
So why exactly are we supporting a capitalist against...More capitalists? Didn’t lenin talk about revolutionary defeatism? Shouldn’t we be encouraging the communists and other leftists of Belarus to also protest both against Lukashenko and the other protesters?
>>787707 The context revolutionary defeatism was to be applied wasn't for any nation; it was meant specifically for imperialist countries fighting a war against another imperialist country. Here it was desirable to seek the defeat of one's own nation instead of supporting it. The Bolsheviks however also believed in critical support, for instance they gave material support to anti-communist Turks because they were against the Entente.
>>785905 >They did in Hong Kong Hong Kong city council is not socialist >They did in venezuela Venezuela is not socialist >Bolivia Bolivia was not socialist >USSR The USSR in 1991 was not socialist.
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>>787712 Really shitty analysis here dude. We don't support Venezuela, Bolivia, or China because they're socialist (they obviously aren't, we know this). We support them because in the case of Bolivia and Venezuela, they're leftwing anti-imperialist countries which have implemented elements of radical democracy and quasi-socialist initiatives which must be recognized as progressive in their context. And China because they're a quasi-socialist nation which combats American imperialist hegemony in the world.
>>787721 China just wants their own financial empire.
>>787736 A multipolar financial system is a positive for us. The SWIFT banking system is the greatest enemy to communism.
>>787736 >we should support the US financial empire because China wants their own
>>787721 Supporting states on a japanese cartoon forum getting pumped up screaming batina and rambling about anarkidies being glowies is fucking dumb. Anarchists and leftcoms will oppose every side on this matter for example, it's consistent with their ideology and their tactics, you have to deal with it because they have their place on this website. I think the anons who gather stuff about the truth and putting it in readable content on internet is great work tho. Like what the opposition is really doing, who they're representing, who financed them, the stuff about privatization, how Luka has some workers support etc because there are not that many spaces on internet where we can discuss those things among civilized, internet savvy and relatively smart people (atm the discourse is everywhere about how Luka is bad and paints the protestors in the good and warm freedom and democracy light). So the truth emerges and a sound counter-discourse can leak on other internet sites and forums.
>>786399 The US was more secure in it's imperial hegemony back then. Ever since Burgerland has been on the decline in the globe, they've stepped up their overt imperialist efforts. They're going after Venezuela, Cuba, Nicaragua AND Iran all at once and are pissing themselves in rage that Trump has been frustrating their attempts to go after Syria and North Korea.
>>787764 >The SWIFT banking system is the greatest enemy to communism. It's abusable if you can get the access though. There will always be systems like this as long as techno-industrial-capitalism exists. No point in lamenting it, learn to abuse it.
>>787707 Why do people always bring up revolutionary defeatism and apply it to a new historical context without making any effort to recontextualize it. The idea that you should not side with the state that rules you in "The Great War" is a very different idea from what you're suggesting which is to let outside interests coup the government that rules you so they can install their puppets. If you would like to make an argument for why revolutionary defeatism applies to Belarus and explain to me what it is that I've missed please do.
>>786801 0 protestors in the square itself. There were several deaths on both sides in armed clashes all over Beijing.
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Pretty good video on Belarus. Thoughts? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j42dlu7TAVI
>>785614 What I don't get about these "election was rigged" claims is that who would believe results are inverted to favor Lukashenko and totally off from reality. The least one could do is make it seem believable and close, 51%-49% or something. If we assume that Lukashenko is totally wrong and has little to no support and opposition is speaking the truth, it still would assume that Belarusian government is inhumanly stupid for rigging an election in a such a foolish way. This is one reason why I'm super skeptical about this narrative.
>>788578 Luka should have rigged them way less, like a 62/38 result, still a landslide but much more likely
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HAHAHAHAHAHAAH https://euroradio.fm/en/girl-you-better-go-do-some-work-and-other-stories-signature-collectors Here's how the Coordination Committee describes Western political analysts: Svetlana Aleksievich: sponsored by Soros, Nobel Prize laureate. Maria Kolesnikova: LGBT activist Valentin Tishko: LGBT activist Alana Gebremariam: Black and Belarusian activist. Are you sure this is the kind of Belarus you're looking for, dear Belarusians?
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>>790063 watch out lads. You don't have just any kind of Activist. You have a Black Activist!
>>790073 It's WHITE Rus'. It's funny.
>>788640 The result was accurate he probably got over 80%.
>>790077 What's up with the protests then?
>>790275 The rest 20% can still protest.
>>790063 Ahhh that fuking lib of aleksievich, the story on his last book about the lover of the oligarch makes me want to become a checkist. And the exiled former almost son-in-law of a checkist makes me want to be one even more fuck liberals everywhere in the world
https://twitter.com/JoshuaYJackson/status/1296563644675825665 BASED english comrade destroying color revolution astroturf in Belarus, give it a watch.
>>791369 Josh Jackson is really going in hard on the "Lukashenko is based, protests are cringe and probably CIA" line. Ben Norton as well. I don't know enough to really have an opinion but I can't help feeling like they're gonna be proven completely correct in a few months.
>>791377 Until now he has a 100% correct streak on stuff, i highly trust him.
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I've not been up to the news lately, is this another euromaidan colour revolution or a genuine protest against an autoritarian dictator? Also I find it curious how some of the protesters are using the grand dutchy of lithuania flag as a symbol of their "revolution". Seems colonial mentality and WeWuzery is making a strong comeback lately.
It's ogre. Lukashenko remains firmly in control. Members of the Coordination council are quitting, getting arrested or going anonymous. Apology videos are being released, new rallies and strikes aren't taking place and the West doesn't recognize the opposition or Tikhanovskaya as the new Guaido
>>792266 Based, at least Brussels know how to not embarrased themselves with the Burden of another Guaidog. Pic: The betrayed liberals going back to their cocoons.
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>>792266 >That How is it a bad thing?
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>>792266 This has happened every time Lukashenko was reelected
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>tfw pro-Luka demonstrations in my city >Saw only one maxipad flag >>792266 This could have been the end, but then the opposition should have included economic demands, but they can't because they're neoshitlibs and doing this would defeat the entire purpose of the color revolution which is to privatize everything
Did we win guys?
>>792688 Status quo remains so we lost. But so did liberals in opposition.
>>792736 So we've lost less than the liberals?
>>792688 Not yet. The opposition is getting impatient and talking about blocking traffic (which would provoke the OMON) and occupying squares and buildings.
>>792768 As of now I'd assume Fsb is in control though, probably they have a who's who of the opposition ready to be used to lock them up if Shtf
>>792266 Lukashenko should use this as a learning opportunity and not rest on his lurals. He is pretty uninspiring but at least he can defend what little is left of the USSR.
>>792741 Exactly, but we have another showdown in sunday (or at least that's what I've heard from RT and euronews). >>792768 Ahi les va (A show alligned with RT for latinoamerica) has done a video about Belarus, conceading that it's a good country with a lot of geopolitics around, that hasn't betrayed it's population and that the police should have not been so violent. -Too much Batina gives martyr points to them. Link: https://invidio.us/watch?v=XDQ15RQoROU
Okay so vvhile the protests aren't at the same level, they are not demobilising. Worth keeping this in mind, as it is starting to appear like similar movements in the West (BLM, Gilets Jaunes, et al.). Also I've started to notice a specific political flag at the protests, that of the Belarusian Social Democratic Assembly. Also Lukashenko's rhetoric has shifted to ramping up military tensions with NATO more directly.
It seems Putin gave up on Belarus. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlxGRWR7DAs
>>792111 Poland and Lithunia have have a big hand in these "protests", they want to recreate the Commonwealth and enslave Belarus, Ukraine etc.
The sort of person who supports the protests https://twitter.com/franakviacorka/status/1279121694003802112 Ukrainian nazis holding the tampon flag https://twitter.com/borisenkodmitr/status/1294682277843214336 Also involved in helping the protests https://twitter.com/elenaevdokimov7/status/1295587985258242048
>>784705 Belarus has had barely any cases while capitalist states like Britain, the USA and France which impose masks and lockdowns have had tens of thousands.
>>791369 He's a shill for Labour, not a communist.
>>793782 WW2 probably literally is the zenith of based belarus history. They were basically the only partisan force on par with Yugos and Albanians as these fucking literal Ubermensch killing machines who just never gave up and sheit. I think one of their operations was literally them Oklahoma city'ing the parliament while it was in session and wiping out like the entire collaborationist government and a bunch of Werhmacht and SS guys and basically collapsing the entire occupations chain of command
>>793789 Their assassination of Kube (governor of Belarus under RK Ostland) was impressive. https://www.rbth.com/history/330299-3-episodes-soviet-partisans
>>793771 RT since the beggining is playing both sides -showing police bashing libs and russia supporting/mantaining the defense pact with Belarus.
>>793808 >Operation Rail War lmao. this is some retard level op naming. who was in charge of this?!
Can someone explain about the "tax for socialparasites". If I'm not correct, it's a soviet way to look at unemployement. Was it really that bad?
>>793782 >Having communists build roads, schools, universities, hospitals, factories and theaters is worse than being genocided I see r/europe fascists post on twitter as well
https://archive.is/f8hTj The Guardian today >As the week comes to a close, Minsk still feels like a capital city in revolt, with gatherings of flower-waving women standing defiantly at intersections and the honking of horns by motorists providing a constant aural accompaniment. But there is also a sense of foreboding. Prosecutors questioned opposition leaders on Friday, factory strike leaders have been arrested or interrogated and a recording was leaked of the defence minister telling his generals they should be ready for possible civil war.
>>793918 I know, fucking liberals, that' why I archived that to show. Redpilled me on Yanukovich pls. I know nothing about the Ukraine situation pre-Maidan.
>>793923 >Redpilled me on hate this meme. just read a fucking book, anon. research like the rest of us do.
>>793930 I had to try it kek. I'll do it when I have time at disposition.
>>793789 >“It is difficult for one who has not been in Belorussia to imagine the character and scale of the devastation. The invaders destroyed nearly all our industry, completely destroyed our stock of machine tools and technological equipment, blew up and wrecked 95% of the power installations. Minsk, Gomel, Vitebsk, Polotsk, Orsha and many other towns of Belorussia were subjected to vast devastation. In the countryside 412,000 houses of collective farmers, 500,000 collective farm buildings were destroyed.... As a result of the German occupation, the economy of our Republic proved to be profoundly undermined and disorganised, thrown back beyond the level of 1913.” People equating Soviet Belarus to the nazi occupation deserve to be shot
>>793784 >Belarus is not a capitalist state
>>780189 absolutely based
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>>793784 >Belarus has had barely any cases while capitalist states like Britain, the USA and France which impose masks and lockdowns have had tens of thousands. >>794000 >>Belarus is not a capitalist state So is this the attempt at theorising that capitalism makes people more vulnerable to virus infections ?
>>794065 Having an actual health infrastructure instead of the dogshit we have makes a world of difference. Of course, the rulers of the capitalist countries wanted a crisis, preferably one that could be a pretext to prevent large crowds of people gathering in public, so they could engineer to next stage of austerity. That's why they waited until capitalism shat the bed to do anything at all, and keep half-assing so they can throw old people off of respirators and throw sick people into nursing homes to cull the elderly population. What the government did here was utterly atrocious. It is a testament to how strong their programming is that this is at all acceptable, that there isn't a visible outrage against this deliberate incompetence.
>>780120 Fucking trotskists, amirite
>>792111 The flag they're waving is literally the anti-communist flag used by Nazi collaborators. What the hell do you think?
>>785751 jesus how can so much cringe be squeezed into one image
>>793771 >Putin >Expecting to see putin >Not even a mention. So, if they report the protest is bad, but if they don't is it bad, too? and both stances somehow is putin's fault?
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>>790063 >liberals
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>>795308 Based Luka
>>793771 Putin is not a fan of Lukashenka, he probably is just making sure the successor is pro-Russia, rather than pro-EU.
>>794579 Russian flag currently is a flag of nazi collaborators too. Read about Vlasov army.
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>>793789 Don't forget the based Bielski Partisans.
>>778804 Why would the US nuke Russia? Russian oligarchs store their money in US banks.
>>796293 Is that not just a function of it being based on one of the tsarist flags?
>>797069 It was a flag of the trade fleet of the tsars. But it was also used by Vlasov army and considering what kind of people did the decommunisation here, i think this one is the real reason. After all there are now museums about Krasnov and Vlasov and other collaborators and tv heads are talking about how they just fought for doing what is right and should be appreciated too.
>>796860 >Europe Elects
>>797102 It's allright when they do it
>>797102 Yeah I guess them, and all the agencies they are quoting have invented the stats even tho they are publically accessible.
>>796860 NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T AVOID OUR LIBERAL PUPPETINOOO BEING INSTALLED STOP DOING THAT AAAAAAAAAAAAA 1!1!
Don't go to Minsk today, I won't be able to differentiate you from the traitors..
what is about 100-300k protesters at Independence Square, moved towards the presidential palace. Lukashenko left on a helicopter for his dacha, which is where this video is from: >>797289
Jesus Christ the spectacle in Lithuania right now is quite something. The state TV dedicated whole evening to a festival-type event at BE border, constantly shouting "OMON plz stahp, join da brotests :DDD". Also spoopy music acompanied by police brutality victims, which is just so fucking crazy when but a month back the US protests were sweeped under the carpet. Oh, and don't forget to donate 5 euros by phone that may or may not reach Belarusian protesters.
>>797301 HOLY FUCK. They just rolled out our now-senile ameribro ex president who confused Ukraine with Belarus.
>>797301 I sometimes dream of running a rescue service for sane Balts who need to get out of the Baltics. t. Scandi
>>797310 We could make an non-profit organization out of this.
>>797315 and then turn it into a organg harvesting operation
>>797321 Save The Balts (and their kidneys)
>>797310 Eh, tbh it is kind of comfy 90% of the time. As long as you ignore the anticommunism shit its fine, especially knowing that we somehow managed to completely dodge woke or alt-right shit for now (I think our apolitical politics did a lot for that). Obviously the economy is bad and allienation is rampant, but show me where its not.
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What an absolute chad
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>>797474 LuCHADshenko
So they elected a fascist right for like 20 years in a row? Why protests only now?
>>797493 >Fascist Go back. Luchadshenko was a member of the Communist Party and even now opposes shock therapy.
>Neolibs succeed >Belarus turns into 90s tier Russia stage hellhole >Lukashenko holds on What will happen in this case? Do you think he'll step down?
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>>797508 >>Lukashenko holds on What will happen in this case? Do you think he'll step down? Slow degradation into 90s tier Russia stage hellhole It's a capitalist country already, just not as bad as it could be. Lukash is not gonna turn this country into socialist one. He created the olygarchs that now want to depose him, ironically. Him remaning president is a lesser evil.
>>797493 <Opposed by people waving actual Nazi collaboration flags >Fascist
>>797523 Indeed the desirable outcome is Luchadshenko mercilessly crushing the protestors, and for the Communist Party of Belarus to breakup from him thereafter and prepare for actual revolution
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What the fuck is wrong with Luka Skywalker? >>797289 >>797467 >be surrounded with security team <grab a gun, blend in >>795308 >be surrounded with peasants in a potato field <grab a potato, blend in
>>797570 He's a man of the people. Absolute Chad, I wish we had someone like him as our President instead of neoliberal goons.
>>797577 Don't be lead on by cheap PR.
>>797577 He triggers the west AND Putin, he must be uber based
>>797301 It's the Virgin enterprises boss sponsored concert in Cucuta-Europe Version. Kek, they are doing a full Vuvuzela here. Sadly for them, there is no economic blocade or shortage that really affects the belarussian people. >>797308 Kek >>797493 >Fasctist Fucking reddit. Watch telesur to know why he is based and not a "fascist" or worse a red fascist (how do you get this fucked up term redditors?) >>797534 Exactly. >>797591 He has cucked anyone, even the belarussian people. But we know that worse than been cucked is being tortured by poverty and shock therapy.
Can someone make some art showing a Knight Lukashenko facing a bunch of monsters with Poland, USA, France, Germany Lithuania etc. flags?
>>797493 >everything I don't like is fascist
>>797534 that'd be so based but idk id luka could just kill them and get away it
>>797301 Kaip manai, kiek liaudies ten buvo? Tikrai 50k ar maziau? How many people, do you think, were there? 50k or less? >>797327 Yes. But Lithuania has terrible wealth inequality. Makes affording good cars or hardware expensive. Gamers RISE UP!
>>797806 Imagine Luka going President Camacho and gunning down every fucking protester with twin AKs
>>797808 At the concert thing? Idk really, I think I tuned in only when it was getting started and didn't watch for long, but at that time it seemed really sparse, like at best a thousand or so. But its likely that more showed up later and maybe it just seemed that way due to corona distancing at the stage area or something.
>>797846 My aunt lives in a vilage. 18 km down the Lidas plentas. She said that there were a lot of cars. Nevertherless, you think the 50 thousand is propaganda number?
>>796293 True but who on here denies that Russia is ruled by Vlasovites?
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>>797474 >the communist boomer
>>797822 He would get my vote.
Interesting documentation of the participation of priests and bishops of Roman-Catholic and Unique bishops in incitement to anti-government street speeches in Belarus. Just like Poland/Lithuania in the 80. Jacek Cezary Kamiński http://pravoslavye.com.ua/ru/mir-vokrug-nas/katolicheskaya-cerkov-dvigatel-protestov-v-belarusi?fbclid=IwAR0utP4eUoMpX2vwqHdeTxmA9zf7xzwd9YUK5XfH-LaRxjopCg1NSmzea3o
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>>796293 In defense of Russian flag it was Russian since 1705 to 1917. White-Red-White flag is really very recent https://aurumrp.ru/en/historical-flags-of-the-states-of-1700-the-truth-about-the-russian-flag-tricolor.html
>>798282 This guy is great. Fuck the W*st.
This man is based
>>798981 In that gear he looks like on of theese boomers from my country that keep saying "if we only had mandatory military service then the boys wouldn't be wearing skinny jeans" or shit like this
>>799021 He's your typical Brezhnevite USSR-nostalgic boomer. I think that's based in its own right. I don't see a reason to oppose this man.
>>799293 He is a capitalist. If that is not the reason, why are you on this board again?
>>799322 He requires critical support.
>>799322 In what way? Does he proprietary own means of production?
>>799361 He rules the state where you can privately own means of production and in more than 20 years he did nothing to change that or to give workers more political power. Under him rule grew up new oligarchy of Belarus that, ironically, now want to depose him to get more power. He is lesser evil, of course, compared to colored revolution, because slow decline is better than rapid fall. Belarus is still relatively better off compared to most post soviet republics, but he is a capitalistic ruler still, so we should work for creating a political force from workers to depose him.
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This is not a good look. It makes him look more like a thug then a ligament leader. I don't think him doing this was the best move for optics.
So what happens after Russia occupies Belarus after Leushanko is overthrown?
>>799487 He probably does this shit to appeal to cops and army so they don't backstab him.
>>799491 Privatization and destruction of social benefits. Honestly, same as being occupied by west, but with different flags.
>>799517 So Belarus is in a lose-lose-lose situation >Leushanko stays, their is no hope for change >NATO occupies and enforces neoliberalism >Russia occupies and enforces "anti-imperalist" neoliberalism Why does the twenty first century suck? Their have been no successful revolutions this century and probably a hundred failed ones so far.
>>799584 It is an expected outcome of making revolutions too early. The reaction sets in for couple of decades after we lost most of our positions. I am not going to say we shoudn't have done it, we did lot of good (worker rights are much better than they would be without ussr i suspect), but it was too early. Use this time to train yourself, mentally, theoretically and physically. Establish other communist connections and develop an organizations that will bw able to take and keep power when time comes. And obviously keep education people about capitalism. The farther we go into crisis them more people will be willing to lsiten to us.
"What would happen if capital succeeded in smashing the Republic of Soviets? There would set in an era of the blackest reaction in all the capitalist and colonial countries, the working class and the oppressed peoples would be seized by the throat, the positions of international communism would be lost." - Stalin, Speech at The Seventh Enlarged Plenum of the E.C.C.I. (December 1926)
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>>799584 >So Belarus is in a lose-lose-lose situation Well no probably not, they can weather the neo-liberal attempts at a counter revolution, and when that's fizzled out they strive for progress. If they want a movement that can go beyond the level social and economic organisation that Lukashenko can provide they have to start out not as opposition to Lukashenko but rather as a movement that goes against foreign interference first. All the lessons learned in recent history for countries in vaguely comparable situations have show that outside powers are the greater foes, and that it's paramount to root out intelligence networks of foreign governments as well as the influence networks of foreign capital, before any kind of progressive politics are possible.
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>>799990 Yeah but it would just be a temporary set back eventually we'll be able to force capital of the historic stage. Capitalism took about 400 years to overcome feudalism, and there's still remnants of that. I anything the communist movement managed to capture a huge section of the world in it's first go. So... don't worry too much.
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The unions that are striking against lukashenko remind me of that part in A Very British Coup/Harold Wilsons administration where the head of the electrical workers union is being ordered around by the CIA. With their geievances boiling down to capital focused short term goals, whining about the loss of specific jobs that will be replaced by cleaner and more numerous ones. https://youtu.be/oANMGT0IK-A scene starting at 39:10
>>800035 Yes, i understand that. I am not a doomer. Though i do worry a bit that if it takes too long there can be some undersirable changes to our world, like ecological fuck ups on a grand scale or wars that wipe out many people and nations.
>>799584 Their only hope is for belarussian communists to take Luka's dick out their asses and start organizing against this shit. He's probably gonna stay for the next term but he's losing support so they need to outoppose the liberal opposition instead of backing this guy to their death.
>>800097 opportunism incarnate in this post
>>799372 Maybe because he is just one person, and there is no working movement in Eastern Europe because they were all gutted after the collapse of the USSR. Even the communist party of Belarus is not organized enough. The struggle right now is to prevent the West from further destroying this last remnant of the USSR which they clearly want to do with this color revolution. After that they will target Russia, and further destroy it once it is completely surrounded. I basically agree with you on all points, he is too liberal and that might lead to a slow decline but at least that is better then a quick one and the furthering of imperialism. >>799584 Preventing the plans of the West is a victory in itself, at least for those of here who are actually anti-imperialist.
>>800279 He is a dictator, he has a LOT of power. He managed to hold back rampant privatization for a couple of decades. Also, from what i have been hearing from my cmrades from there, despite circlejerking on ussr symbols, actually organizing strikes and spreading communist propaganda can get you beat up or even in jail, so stop trying to fap on Luka. He ain't your last samurai.
>>800279 >might lead to a slow decline Slow decline happened for last 20 years of his rule. While he managed to hold back privatization, it is still happening, just slower. There are oligarchs there.
>>800070 Yeah, I'm almost a doomer on climate respect (not the anon you were reponding). At least the dengoids in China are doing great investments in green energy, plus the DPRK (from what I've heard, I have no info on that) has been preparing for climate disaster. The brakes of capitalism are going to break, and the acceleration of the conditions will be unprecedented. >>800286 I hope that those comrades aren't feddit "communists" >>800292 Then, as always we are in a Venezuela support situation. A socialdemocracy -with some porky alligned with the gov- that is enduring agresion from the west. Simple, critical support and hope that the BCP gets into a better position of power (unless you can organize the BCP into getting in power.)
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Half Belarus for 52 million euros On Sunday, part of the pro-Western Belarusian opposition published ′′ its ′′ agenda. If they succeeded in repeated elections, they want to complete the privatization of the economy in the country, they will seal the border with Russia and ban Russian use. The pro-western part of the opposition estimates support about 10 % of the population. It is the ′′ gang ′′ that the EU is sending 52 52 million to their activities according to the European Council decision. The Czech state budget contributes to them 40 million crowns from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs chapter. The political program of ′′ west ′′ has been published in the form of glued flyers. Most of the text was bilingual - in Belarusian and Russian. However, a privatization passage was omitted in the version of written Russian. More than 80 % of Belarusian citizens speak Russian, but not Belarusian. This reminds the situation in Ireland where the official languages are English - the language of former occupiers, but most of the nation speaks - and Irish, as the original Celtic majority speech, which is now controlled by only patriotic ′′ connoisseurs ". Today, the text has been completely translated by supporters of the pro-Russian opposition. There are the vast majority among opposition. They made a huge scandal out of the double game of ′′ Wests ′′ and are already mobilizing citizens into a future political collision. It's a big deal. More than half of the country's businesses. And also that Belarus does not end up like Ukraine. That is, the total economic disruption that occurred after the signing of the EU-Ukraine Association Agreement, which were conditional on the abolition of the common market with Russia. In Belarus, 60 % of state-owned businesses are. The current president Alexander Lukashenko came to power in 1994 with a program to stop the wild privatization, which until then also in Belarus, as well as in Russia, according to Western notes. For most companies, after some time the need for subsidies from the state budget managed to find meaningful production filling. Especially the consolidation of the Russian economy, which took place after President Vladimir Putin, helped them. Engineering products from nine million Belarus have found a good application in the million common market of the Eurasian Economic Union. Belarusian companies are successful in Russian arms contracts. Exportably the most successful anti-aircraft systems in the world S 300 are heading outside the Russian Federation on chassis from Belarus. But in addition, the economic cooperation with the former USSR countries inspired and organized by Russia, Belarusians earn also by buying raw materials - especially oil and gas - at more advantageous than world prices. All of this would like to destroy the ′′ west ′′ financed from Brussels. Belarusian businesses should be sold out to Western companies for ′′ few pennies ′′ according to Brussels. Or liquidated. Very hard times would await them after disconnecting from the common market with Russia and other post-Soviet republics. Here it should be remembered that most of the post-Soviet Asian market certainly are not ′′ beggar states ". Almost the whole Mendeleyev table of elements is mined in this territory. Some of these Central Asia states have the ability to attract Western doctors to their hospitals to teach their newest healing practices. And they like to go there not only Czech, but also German and American top experts. For objectivity, I would like to add that there were of course concerns about the ′′ wild privatization ′′ of Russian oligarchs in Belarus. They have a lot of experience from the Yelcin era. And some even such nice names, such as a banker named Wekslberg... Belarus simply stands at a crossroads. One thing is certain - the way to Majdan and Ukrainianization is the worst possible. MUDr. Ivan David
>>800292 Slow decline is pretty much global fam, it has nothing to do with Luka he is just one person as I said. Blaming him for everything going wrong is great man theory, thats a liberal line of thought. The whole USSR collapsed, basically all communist parties were gutted and even all moderate social democrat parties have been destroyed and replaced with neoliberal identity politics like for example new labour in britain and so on. Too many cases to count. Privatization and the decline is global. Part of that decline has been colour revolutions in the post-Soviet world. Just look at the Ukraine it is miserable to thing about how bad it has gotten since Maiden. Now they want to do the same things to Belarus turning it into a neoliberal Westernized hellscape, its common sense to oppose that.
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>>800861 I am not blaming him personally for all evils that happened in Belarus. In fact he deserves a little praise in my opinion for at least keeping the country from following the path of the remaining republics of USSR. My post was for people in the thread thinking he is some sort of last socialist ruler and that we should support chad Luka unconditionally.
Any news?
>>802791 With the US election there is no actual lesser evil. They are both worse than each other.
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>>802791 >Oh wow you're against the imperialist proxy war on Syria but you won't support Hillary Clinton?? Hypocrite much?!?!?
>>802791 Now this is bappin!
>>802799 >The guy that wants us to become more self sufficient is worse than neolibs that want to privatize everything and join NATO/EU Idiot
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>>802791 >rednblacksalamander
You can't GLADIO the Lukashenko
>>800913 >that we should support chad Luka unconditionally. Your "support" for Luka is meaningless if you don't live in Belarus. If you live in any of the EU/NATO countries, you can only support (or not support) invasion of Belarus. Right now, liberals are clamoring for an invasion! intervention in Belarus. Are you protesting against the war, pressuring your government not to invade Belarus? No? Well, then those who found their voice will be heard, and they will be the "voice of public opinion", not some anon on social media.
>>804157 Based
>>803364 What is anything of this have to do with what i have said? I was just explaining that he isn't socialist like many here believes. Are you autistic and can only understand sentences by literal dictionary definition of sum of their words?
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>>808077 Based
>>808077 Very hot, but is this supposed to be owning the homophobic regime epic style? Homophobes only oppose lesbians in a token way to appear consistent but they're mostly afraid of trans shit and guy on guy buttsex.
>>809406 OMEGA BASED
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>>802811 This picture is a joke right?
>>809415 >is this supposed to be owning the homophobic regime epic style Might be more in the spirit of pride parade. Although I don't know how americanized Belarus youth is.
>>809474 No, but the author is.
>>808077 Forgive me bat'ka for I must simp
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>>814656 Can Signal be trusted instead? If not, is there a secure way to write stuff?
>>814656 Should have read "Nazi-Occupation-Era |||". Liberals always pretend their own position is apolitical unlike their enemy's, fighting against politics in politics. Smh.
>>814703 >is there a secure way to write stuff? Yeah, with pen and paper
>>814656 Why do they like the Nazi flag this much?
>>808077 I wish that were me
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>>814703 afaik signal's encryption is solid but they are funded by Radio Free Asia through OTF for the purpose of regime change in nations hostile to USA https://pando.com/2015/03/01/internet-privacy-funded-by-spooks-a-brief-history-of-the-bbg/
Which posters in here are glowies?
>>815296 Anti-Luke
>>815296 You and me today, agent.
>>815275 Funding in itself doesn't necessarily mean anything in terms of their influence on the technical aspects of software. But it does tell you that certain technology aligns with their interests and so you should become suspicious of that very technology as such. For same reasons I find Tor network very ambivalent. On the one hand I use it to avoid being profiled by Western data vampires, on the other hand the West uses it to get their propaganda and influence through China's firewall - that's the only reason Facebook and BBC run a hidden onion service and only dumb liberals cheer them on.
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>>815683 Based and Lukapilled
>>815683 Based
>>814908 >>815683 Fig. 1 — Comparison between sizes of Lukashenko and opposition supporters in the form of imageboard text art.
Some good news >India-based coal miner CIL awards $390m equipment contract to Belaz https://www.mining-technology.com/news/cil-purchase-390m-equipment-belaz/ >Coal India orders 96 BelAZ dumper trucks https://www.miningmagazine.com/fleet/news/1394048/coal-india-orders-96-belaz-dumper-trucks
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>Luchadshenko: Lenin created an state, and Stalin consolidated it. >"There's still a lot I need to do to compare myself to them, they truly faced some of the hardets difficulties." Said on a interview on 2012 to russian media.
>>814656 Telegram is owned by Russia. More proof that the FSB is actually the one behind this color revolution.
>>816243 Omega basado
>>816249 It's owned by a Russian guy but he actually fled Russia when the fsb overtook his previous company, I doubt he's directly aligned with Putin. No doubt he wants to privatize a piece of Belarus for cheap, though.
>>816350 Now that I think about it, telegram was blocked in Russia for a while until recently, just before this shit started to happening, maybe he did strike a deal with Russian glowies after all.
>>816350 I think Putin wants to sell off Belarus if he can, so I won't be surprised if he throws luka under the bus
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>>816249 >>816455 >>816462 >>816350 We (me and KingLear) warned you all about Putinoid Russia, bros. As much as this will make all the rightoids, FSB/CIA shills, demsocs/socdems and anarkiddies i agreee ITT, truth is: Luka's a progressive left social-nationalist who presides over a socialist state with state-run/publicly-owned commanding heights of the economy (industry, telecoms, nationalized natural resources etc), collectivized agriculture and free public education/healthcare on a Soviet model. Comandante Hugo Chavez (RIP) of the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela even referred to Luka's Belarus as "a model social state".
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>>808077 I wonder how much they were paid to do that in front of the cameras. This couldn't be more obvious fucking propaganda to appeal to the West.
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>>816243 Based
Belarusian authorities have decided to expel all the Western journalists. Reuters, BBC, AP, Agence France-Presse, Radio Free Europe, Deutsche Welle, ARD, RFi. This morning their correspondents and photographers have been stripped of accreditation and have to leave the country https://twitter.com/TadeuszGiczan/status/1299626699722809344
>>817901 Is Luka finally getting his shit together? He should do something about the foreign funding though.
>>817901 Fucking based.
>>817906 >>817907 Why is this good though? You really wanna piss off the media with you? They are gonna shitfling at Luka twice as hard now.
>>817942 And what are they gonna do about it? S E E T H online?
>>817948 Yes? Why do you think North Korea is such an unpopular country? They can and will successfully push a narrative against you if they so please
>>817950 Are anyone gonna invade NK? No? Is NK getting couped? Thought so.
>>817954 Big difference: NK has nukes, more consistent loyalty among its population, and a more competent government than Belarus.
>>817955 >more consistent loyalty among its population Because they threw out all the "journalists" NGO fags
>>817958 Can they not keep the journalists there but disallow Western propaganda broadcasts to be put in the country? While still allowing broadcasts from those journalists to outside of the country
>>817950 The narrative against Luka is already harsh. "Europe's last dictator" and all that shit. No point keeping their propaganda in your country as well.
>>817977 They really don't seem to have let loose the full flood of slander and insults against him that I've seen them do against everything concerning North Korea or China really, just the standard vague insinuations they do against every less than totally bourgeois-democratic country
>>817967 Unlike they do it like China's internet censorship it's unlikely it will be successful.
>>817996 Aren't they already doing something like that in Belarus? I remember when this shit was just starting there was talk about the government having banned so many websites that opposition people were using 4chan to speak
>>818000 Banning too many websites without building domestic alternatives hurts productivity. China built the alternatives and got their own internet giants. Hard for Belarus to do it
Sorry for fed-posting but this shit is golden. Imagine that there will be people that will believe the fucking video without any actual evidence lmao.
>>817967 >Can they not keep the journalists there They're all imperialist tools otherwise they wouldnt be there in the first place. Not embedded journalists i.e. independent news reporters who are not actively involved in some imperialist agenda are extremely rare these days and these types don't earn that much to afford traveling and living in hotels in foreign countries.
>>818012 I don't trust any one with accented alphabet in their name
>>818009 One of Belarus's bigger private industries is tech. Do they not have domestic alternatives, with that?
>>818017 Belarus doesn't have the economies of scale
>>818009 Not that hard to do it though
>>818022 Why don't Europe have their internet giants then? Why do they have to tax burger internet companies to cope?
>>818015 That diacritic isn't an accent. It's the letter for the "ch" phoneme, as in "china".
>>818025 You need state funding for that. The US wouldn't have such strong tech industry without the state helping them in every possible way. IMO Europe could do it, they're just too cucked to the US to try. Same goes with EU military.
>>817901 I'm telling based
>>818016 LMFAOO
>>817901 Holy based lad Luka
>>783924 Nani, Based breadtube?
Belarussian communists call for international support COMMUNISTS in Belarus have called for international support and solidarity to stop a “bloody coup” to remove President Alexander Lukashenko from power. The Communist Party of Belarus (CPB) warned of serious consequences if plans being pressed by the US, EU and their Nato allies are successful, drawing comparisons to the so-called “colour revolutions” seen in Ukraine and Georgia. “We saw what their intervention would result in: in the lynching of communists, the destruction of monuments to Lenin and other Soviet leaders, the prohibition of our symbols, the praise of Hitler’s henchmen. And most importantly, into a disaster for the working people,” a party statement said. https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/w/belarussian-communists-call-international-support-stop-bloody-coup-imperialists#.X0nZCjVblG8.facebook
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>>818790 shit, I hotdog'd it
>>818791 thank
>>818790 That's an eyesore. Pick better color combination.
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>>818806 At least the real Belarus flag has green in it, which is scientifically proven to relax the mind. The Nazi-Occupation-Era flag looks like blood and bones, which is what the people will be reduced to after privatization.
>>818820 Holly molly. The resemblance, as disgusting as it is, is uncanny!!!!
>>818016 HAHAHA!
Leftist journalist from Belarus gives her take on the situation over there (2nd half of podcast). Nothing we don't already know (opposition are neolib colour revolution, Lukashenko probably won at least 60%, the people have seen what maidan did to Ukraine and are weary of the opposition) https://www.leftbusinessobserver.com/Radio.html#S200827
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>>815683 What are some good prome government sources/media outlets? Only one I can think of is CTVBY
>>819480 Thanks comrade. Downloading for later.
>>808077 haha, look, at those homosexual lukashenko supporters who are against cute girls kissing, unlike the based west where we think this is hot and allowed
>>781211 that literally makes no sense. the nazis were brought to power through anglo finance / wall street
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>>824428 source on this?
>>817950 >Why do you think North Korea is such an unpopular country Its not unpopular here at least.
Video on the Belarus situation by Politsturm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvQI-XVOsEs one of the better overview around in my opinion.
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>>826929 The REAL American flag o7
>>826935 /hiberniangang/ is always right
>>826909 I'd say the better analysis of the situation around >>826918 Based and Luchadshenka pilled
>>818785 >the praise of Hitler’s henchmen Did no one yet post Luka's praise for Hitler?
>>818821 >The Nazi-Occupation-Era flag Any proofs for that?
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any news?
Is anyone familiar with THE NATIONAL INTEREST? It's a conservative magazine, which is being published by a think tank, which was initially founded by president Richard Nixon. I'm surprised, that it holds quite pro-russian positions and even their take on the Belarus situation is interesting. https://nationalinterest.org/feature/four-reasons-why-regime-change-won%E2%80%99t-occur-belarus-168226
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>>834563 Not bad for the most part, but it's on their website merely as an example of Russia's views on the situation, in opposition to The National Interest's own views: >Nor would American support for the EU foreign ministers to "mediate a transition" be effective, as John Herbst, the director of the Eurasia Center at the Atlantic Council and a former U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, has suggested. >Even the threat of sanctions against Nord Stream 2 has no chance of being implemented, not to mention several other proposals from Ambassador Herbst outlined in his article in The National Interest. The statements above refer to John Herbst's article in The National Interest: https://nationalinterest.org/feature/why-russia-getting-ready-invade-belarus-167605 It becomes pretty clear at the end it's merely repeating some talking points from Russian government: >As recent mass demonstrations in Berlin have shown, not Angela Merkel or Trump, but Putin is the true idol for many Germans >Ahead lies the prospect of both the implementation of Russian economic projects and the deeper integration of Russia and Belarus into a single state, whether the West likes it or not. >Andranik Migranyan is a professor at the Moscow State Institute of International Relations, an academic institution run by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Russia.
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>>835152 Yes. Leftists who support anti-luke opposition are idiots who forgot Ukraine, Chile,Brazil to name a few.
>>835152 Sums up the retards in the left who support this quite aptly.
Žižek's take: >However, this joyful enthusiasm for democracy implies its own blind spot. We should, of course, support the protests: Lukashenko is an eccentric authoritarian leader, a slightly ridiculous figure who runs his state with an iron fist, arresting opponents, allowing very little freedom of the press, etc. However, he cannot be dismissed as simply a failure. What he achieved was economic stability, safety and order, with a per capita income much higher than that in the “free” Ukraine, and distributed in a much more egalitarian way. But one of his most important profitable enterprises – getting cheap oil from Russia and reselling it to the West – is now over because of low oil prices. So his time has run out. >The ongoing protests in Belarus are catch-up protests, the aim of which is to align the country with Western liberal-capitalist values. But the problems will come after the protesters claim victory for democracy and the first wave of enthusiasm is over. The final outcome might well be a new, more national-conservative figure – something like a Belarussian version of Hungarian prime minister Viktor Orban or Poland’s Jaroslaw Kaczynski. That is to say, one should bear in mind the reason for Lukashenko’s relative popularity until recently: he was tolerated, accepted even by some circles, precisely because he offered a safe haven against the ravages of wild liberal capitalism (corruption, economic and social uncertainty). https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/belarus-election-lukashenko-minsk-protests-democracy-freedom-coronavirus-a9685816.html A lot of what he says is true, it's exactly like the "catch-up revolutions" of all eastern post-soc countries. But he always has retarded conclusions after clearly knowing what's happening: "We should, of course, support the protests". He did the same thing with Ukraine, attacking leftists who predicted all the shit that then really happened. >Predictably, many anti-imperialist leftists reacted to the news by patronising the Ukrainians: how deluded they are still to idealise Europe, not to be able to see that joining the EU would just make Ukraine an economic colony of Western Europe, sooner or later to go the same way as Greece. In fact, Ukrainians are far from blind about the reality of the EU. They are fully aware of its troubles and disparities: their message is simply that their own situation is much worse. Europe may have problems, but they are a rich man’s problems. >The Maidan protesters were heroes, but the true fight – the fight for what the new Ukraine will be – begins now, and it will be much tougher than the fight against Putin’s intervention. [...] The next step is a public display of fraternity, with organisational networks established between Ukrainian political activists and the Russian opposition to Putin’s regime. This may sound utopian, but it is only such thinking that can confer on the protests a truly emancipatory dimension. Otherwise, we will be left with a conflict of nationalist passions manipulated by oligarchs. https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v36/n09/slavoj-zizek/barbarism-with-a-human-face Why does he keep doing this? He's as idiotically utopian as some of the leftists he's attacking. Utopianism is fine, but you can't do the same mistake a million times and expect it will succeed eventually.
>>835474 I always take whatever that comes after "but" as his real views.
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Alright lads. Not sure how most of westerners are fallowing the events in Belarus. First the pro-nato opposition was making PR that workers were rising up. Then they said that women are crying and trying to act nice with security forces. Now they are using children.
>>836585 Rightoids and their obsession with using children to achieve their goals.
Back To The USSR | Lost In The Belarus Provinces https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X74KhXTAigs
>>837205 thanks nice video
>>837205 Russia is oligarchy and Belarus is nazbol with planed economy.
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Luka said, "Belarus is not ready for a female president" or some things to this effect. https://www.euronews.com/2020/08/14/women-protesters-in-belarus-we-can-change-the-country-for-the-better >Our president said that our Constitution is not made for women, and that women here can only serve the government, they can only serve men, that we don't have this strength, that we don't have enough knowledge and possibilities to govern This has been weaponized by bourgeois feminists to say that it's a bad regime for women. But, we must know that words mean less than real life circumstances. So aside from words, what is Belarus like materially for women? Well let's relate this to what happened in the Eastern Bloc after the USSR fell. Look at pic related from Blackshirts and Reds. There was a spike in poverty and so a spike in women forced into prostitution. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-11-27/belarus-s-soviet-economy-has-worked-better-than-you-think Now by an albeit flawed standard for poverty, we see in second pic that by the World Bank's neoliberal measure, Belarus has very low poverty. We know that if liberalism took over Belarus, this would spike. It happened in countries that liberalized more than Belarus. Some of which you can see on the same graph with still high poverty rates! Russia, Poland and Estonia are the closest to Belarus, but still have more than two to three times as much poverty by this measure. They have had time to recover from the impact of their economies collapsing in the 90s. Belarus has not necessarily had such time, considering that the de-Sovietization of their economy has not happened to the same extent. They are like a time capsule in part of the USSR, as >>837205 this video I posted earlier tours you through. Now, what is the current alternative to poverty and prostitution for women in Belarus? http://www.unesco.org/new/en/media-services/single-view/news/women_still_a_minority_in_engineering_and_computer_science/ "Six out of ten researchers are women in both medical and agricultural sciences in Belarus and New Zealand, for instance." https://blogs.worldbank.org/europeandcentralasia/has-belarus-really-succeeded-pursuing-gender-equality "Even by international standards, Belarusian women seem to live well. In the latest Global Gender Gap Index, Belarus was ranked 26th out of 144 countries — higher than Australia or the Netherlands. The statistics certainly indicate a high-level of gender equality in Belarus." "Traditional views on the role of women are still common in Belarusian society. The World Values Survey results show that more than half of the population thinks that being at home with children is what women want most. Also, men tend to underestimate the role of women in the labor market. They are more likely to think that men are better political leaders or business executives than women , or that men should be given priority over women when jobs are scarce." That's not exactly a perfect view, but in relation to the rest of the world that does seem to be a leg up. Do the bourgeois feminists want to sacrifice that? What has liberalization brought to women in nearby Russia? https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/odr/russia-domestic-violence-law/ Well, it seems that it has brought legalization of domestic violence. Wonderful?? Do not let the bourgeois ideologues lead the women's movement astray! The communists of Belarus must lead the way on this issue in denouncing the reactionary stances of Lukashenko but critically supporting his administration as it maintains the Soviet economic relations. I am a month late or so in writing all this but it has been in my mind for some time.
>>837205 Cringe. This guy fetishizes everything that's not Western as "Soviet-Era". A lot of it looks similar to my own eastern euro country. We also have Western tourists talk about how "unmodernized" everything here is, when it just isn't so uselessly "bling bling" as in the West.
>>835152 Not gonna lie, made me laugh
>>840209 Fucking anglos
>>836585 >I can literally make out 10 different le /pol/ school shooter faces from this pic alone. Literally what is happening? Why do they all literally look like this?
>>840209 I don't know, this guy seems extremely naive. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSoFDivGIdc
>>840203 >>840338 Don't put too much weight on his commentary. The video of Belarus is what matters
>>840399 Agree with this, I like him though he can be pretty cringy at times. I remember in one of his Cuba videos where he would randomly yell "Comandante!" at motorcyclists passing by, that shit wasn't funny at all, just so cringeworthy
>>840094 Good post,but how does situationo of women in Belarus compare to Lithuania,Estonia and Poland. Don't think that domestic violence is legal there. Also is there any info at all how many scientists/researchers are in in Belarus?
>>840294 t. humourless euro
>>840094 I mean, if Belarus has female scientists than male, but overall per capita less scientists than US, than its not as good as an achievement.
>>842456 >he doesn't know about the "scientists"
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Luka is anti communist SPREAD AWARENESS
>>844721 >a socdem accusing anyone of being anti communist
>>844789 And he is right. Luka is not a communist by any measure. In fact actual communist movements and labor movements are suppressed.
>>844870 Nah, i am not that guy. Also i am not advocating in favor of another color revolution in Belarus, but thinking that Luka is socialist in any way, shape or form is pretty retarded.
>>844867 In what way are a communist and labor movements suppressed in Belarus? Genuinely curious or are you just trotting out the typical knee-jerk claims about any country that the US wants to overthrow? Belarus has a communist party in a united front with the government, and has several socialistic opposition parties. Labor unions are legal. Where the fuck do you see suppression?
>>844908 Well, i don't live in Belarus, but i speak with some comrades of mine from there. From what i hear, trying to organize a union or spreading communist propaganda can lead to your arrest. >Belarus has a communist party in a united front with the government So does Russia. Those are not real communist parties. They just use sumbols and slogans of old to play on people nostalgia. >Labor unions are legal. Again, they are also legal in Russia (at least for now). But organizing a labor union that is not completely yellow can get you into shitload of trouble with police (i can tell you that from personal experience). From what i hear from my comrades it's the same with Belarus.
>>844922 >Well, i don't live in Belarus, but i speak with some comrades of mine from there. From what i hear, trying to organize a union or spreading communist propaganda can lead to your arrest. That "Marxist" that did a reddit AmA from the opposition DemSoc party that openly advocates for market reforms and has ties to the State Department said there is no repression for him and his party. I have no idea who you are being talking to. >So does Russia. Those are not real communist parties. They just use sumbols and slogans of old to play on people nostalgia. In my experience, people who say this stuff just do so because they disagree with their politics. Its pretty fucking arrogant. Like, a communist party, constantly advocating for communist stuff, organizing Marxist study groups, are a contributing member of solidnet and IMCWP, etc. are all just "faking it" or whatever. I disagree with some stuff the CPRF does and says but I'm not gonna claim that they're fake or "not real communists" or whatever.
>>844965 >In my experience, people who say this stuff just do so because they disagree with their politics. Its pretty fucking arrogant. Nah, the arrogance is when you trying to tell someone how exactly things are going in his country. Fucking yanks. CPRF were never real communist party from the get go. They were created to play the role of pseudo opposition. Starting from Zuganov saying in 90s to people that they should stay at home while their country was being destroyed by capitalist. Continuing with same Zuganov rejecting the post of president after winning the election in favor of Yeltsin, him saying that this country met the limits on revolution and so on. They are basically centrist party now, not even left leaning centrist, they are right leaning centrist. With heavy religious and nationalistic overtones and support for current regime. Stop speaking about things you don't fucking understand. >That "Marxist" that did a reddit AmA from the opposition DemSoc party that openly advocates for market reforms and has ties to the State Department said there is no repression for him and his party. I don't visit reddit. I am not surprised that someone who advocates for liberal reforms is not suppressed. Try advocate for actual soviet stuff in Belarus. >I have no idea who you are being talking to. I have been talking to people who actualy involved in labor movement in Belarus, just like i am in Russia. Perhaps i know the situation at hand a tad better than you, don't you think?
>>844891 >>844867 >>844721 He's supported by the communist party of belarus, so spare us the cointelpro activity.
>>845028 Putin is supported by official communist party of Russia. I guess those yanks were right, Putin IS building communism.
>>845042 Are you salty because the CPR supports Putin? lol The argument starts with 'Lukashenko is not a communist' implying is something bad - I answer: But he's supported by the communist party in Belarus, and you decide to strawman my argument? Your strawman then strawmans the first argument. So, yes, you are a smelly troll.
>>845061 It's like: If he's not communist is bad if he's supported by local communists is bad. Badz luka is badz, no matter what you sai commy boiz.
>>845028 >He's supported by the communist party of belarus, so spare us the cointelpro activity lmfao, you are doing like big eastern european "communist" parties aren't fucking meme. they are full of conspiraboomers and without any coherent ideology. They will say some reformist shit one day and other day will tell you some conspiracy shit about joos, Soros and illuminati zionists. >>845042 >KPRF supports Putin no, they don't and never did
>>845061 Look, mate, do you speak russian? Because it seems to me that you are a bit unaware of political situation on the post soviet territories. Just because that someone in there is supported by official party (meaning registered for polls) and that party is calling itself communist or any other names, it means nothing. The only parties that are allowed to be registered are one that are in favor of current regime's politics. If you are saying that if official communist party of Belarus is supporting Luka as an argument that Luka is good for communist/socialist movement, you are wrong.
>>845081 >no, they don't and never did Don't be naive. They are fake opposition and always have been.
>>845067 You are so retarded i almost though i was on /pol/ That is not what i said. What is said is that - official communist party in Belarus is about as communist as national socialist is socialist. Therefore their support doesn't matter because they would always support him.
>>845081 >lmfao, you are doing like big eastern european "communist" parties aren't fucking meme. they are full of conspiraboomers and without any coherent ideology. They will say some reformist shit one day and other day will tell you some conspiracy shit about joos, Soros and illuminati zionists. European communist parties =/= belarus communist party. >>845081 >no, they don't and never did How ignorant one could be: http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/61551 You idealization of Putin support from the CPRF is purely wanting that Putin behaves like the CPRF wants, and that's not how the political scenario works, because Putin has, still a tremendous support, because he gave to Russian decades of political and economic stability - something communists couldn't give - But that doesn't imply they don't talk, do politics together and work together. You wish to see a leader in the western world talking like this with any political leader, but you won't see it - and this disdain, is what makes me sick - you want to see Russian under a political stress to make the Communist the only party but won't dare to do your own in your own western world.
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>>845106 >Don't be naive. They are fake opposition and always have been. Why do you always come to this place talking stupid things beyond your own comprehension?
>>844998 >hundreds of thousands of communists in my country disagree with me >but let me explain to you how shit works in my country, I'm the only true Marxist there!
>>845106 >Don't be naive. They are fake opposition and always have been. it is true that they are controlled opposotion but that doesn't mean they support Putin. they just don't do anything meaningful
>>845100 Да, I am Russian/Armenian/Ukrainian descendant, reading always Russian news. Fuck off, they literally a website with news translated from outside into Russian, and the news the Russians receive are from everything, even with websites calling to desestabilize Russia, and let me tel you something: Russians at first were very western-opened, but the only thing the west wanted to do was to take all resources and submit Russia to western interests - eventually now Russians look suspiciously any western stance regards Russia, and that's something you wouldn't understand because you really don't know how Russians think. >>845100 > it means nothing. t. the maximum revolutionary that has overthrow the U.S. empire.
>>845121 >official communist party in Belarus is about as communist as national socialist is socialist. Therefore their support doesn't matter because they would always support him t. pic related
>>845168 Ну тогда можно и по-русски, раз понимаешь. Во-первых, не надо мне объяснять как обстоят дела в мой стране, хорошо? Я все таки здесь живу. Во-вторых, любой мало-мальски грамотный коммунист скажет тебе что кпрф это псевдо оппозиция которая к коммунистическому движения не имеет никакого отношения, точно так же как жирик не имет отношения к либерал-демократам. В-третьих, хуйня которую ты сказал вообще не имеет никакого отношения к текущуей ситуации. Лукаш это сраный диктатор который за пару десятилетий своего правления только наплодил олигархов, которые сейчас его же хотят и скинуть. Коммунистам тут сторону занимать смысла нет вообще, хотя при перевороте гражданам придется хуже. Тут либо медленное угасание (которое происходило последние лет двадцать с уменьшением реальных доходов населения, уменьшением соц обеспечения и ухудшением состояния прав рабочих), либо быстрое падение с приватизацией и прочими благами либерализма. Да, Лукаш на данный момент наименее паршивая опция, но не надо надрачивать ему хуец как тут делает полтреда только потому что он ради пиара красным флагом машет. Попробуй организовать профсоюз в Беларусии и быстро повстречаешься с товарищами из органов которые тебе помогут получить просветление в уму. >Russian/Armenian/Ukrainian descendant Любила твоя мама погулять.
>>845200 >Любила твоя мама погулять. Бабушка и дедушка. Дед был русским. Бабушка была армянкой и украинкой. My Russian is not advanced, tho - can read, can't answer good. Even if you say that the party is fake opposition, I don't buy it - there's a reason to fearmongering the world about the communist party in Russia. Materialistically speaking, means they effectively pose as an alternative from western imperialism - remember - they don't just fearmonger who behaves like they want.
>>845229 >My Russian is not advanced Which means that you are neither living in the country nor can you gain awareness of the situation through talking with people or even reading news beyond bullet points. I am not gonna bust your balls anymore, but i just want you to reflect on that you are trying to explain the situation in the country to a person actually living in it. >I don't buy it - there's a reason to fearmongering the world about the communist party in Russia. Fearmongering is a way to create an image of an enemy so you can eploit your workers more effectively. CPRF is nothing politically.
>>845156 Yeah, they work for him, but they don't support him. Allright.
>>845262 >Yeah, they work for him, but they don't support him. Allright. i didn't say that, learn to read
>>845258 >Which means that you are neither living in the country nor can you gain awareness of the situation through talking with people or even reading news beyond bullet points Bullshit, I read constantly their media and I went to the now defunct 2ch.ru and now to 2ch.hk I can get an awareness on what they feel and see. >>845258 >to explain the situation in the country to a person actually living in it. I live in Venezuela and I can find a handful of maggots capable to sell our own soil because Maduro this, Maduro that. Believing that the CPFR is not revolutionary makes me wonder if you aren't like one of these guarimberos. >>845258 >>845258 >Fearmongering is a way to create an image of an enemy so you can eploit your workers more effectively. CPRF is nothing politically. I was afraid you were going to use that argument but then: Why is it the sanctions? Why is it the increased OTAN operations near Russia? They are (OTAN and their imperial core) pouring millions in operations to scare and push Russia? Again, your materialistic conditions (within Russia) don't match with your ideology.
>>845306 >Bullshit, I read constantly their media and I went to the now defunct 2ch.ru and now to 2ch.hk I can get an awareness on what they feel and see. You couldn't even properly read my post here, let's not pretend. >Believing that the CPFR is not revolutionary makes me wonder if you aren't like one of these guarimberos. Believing that a party is revolutionary when it's under a leadership of a guy who supported Yeltsin and literally rejected president seat in his favor makes me think you are an idiot. Just ask around /ussr/ what they think about cprf and see for yourself. As for the rest of your "arguments", they are pretty retarded. Sactions are there because economical interests of capitalists in Russia and capitalists in the west are going against each other and sanctions are a tool in the fight for resources (ones in Ukraine and Syria in this case). I don't even remember than wester media outlets mention CPRF, most of them talk about scary dictator Putin. Are you gonna say that Putin is a communist now? Are you that retarded?
>>845344 >most of them talk about scary dictator Putin. Oh, no, no, no. Everything points to 'the return of communism thanks to Putin' stuff. >>845344 >You couldn't even properly read my post here, let's not pretend. Meh. I made my point, because you pretend to be the owner of the truth - I am not, but attacking constantly the CPFR? >>845344 >Believing that a party is revolutionary when it's under a leadership of a guy who supported Yeltsin and literally rejected president seat in his favor makes me think you are an idiot. Leadership =/=The wholesome party. Remember the main party originally had Stalin, Lenin and Trotsky - all of them very well different, but with some common ground. Yes, the CPFR started to erode Stalin's legacy, and some of them were revisionists - but that's the point, the CPFR is wholesome and included even those capable to laugh at Stalin at their death (and only at their death, in life they would cowardly do whatever Stalin could say), but that doesn't mean there weren't revolutionaries after Stalin's death, and that doesn't imply there's none revolutionary there today.
>>845376 >Everything points to 'the return of communism thanks to Putin' stuff. Yeah, it's just a red scare 2.0. CPRF has nothing to do with it. Basically you are saying that this fearmongering is correct and Putin is trying to build communism? You couldn't be more wrong. Name me CPRF party memebers who are communist and actively working for communist agenda. Or fuck off and stop explaining me how my country works. CPRF doesn't even have anything communist in it's party manifest. >Yes, the CPFR started to erode Stalin's legacy This is such a stupid statement. You seem to mix up the КПСС and КПРФ. КПСС ended with Soviet Union and КПРФ is basically an opportunistic offshoot of КП РСФСР - after government refused to register communist party for parlament elections, Zuganov formed another one and promised to cooperate with new liberal government after wich КПРФ was officially registered. They are basically a party of opportunists straight from the beginning.
>>845406 >Name me CPRF party memebers who are communist and actively working for communist agenda Man, you surely hate communism inside Russia. One single fucking name: Gennady Zyuganov. The man that criticized the fall of communism and how influenced in the low quality of live - how he attacked Yeltsin on privatizations, how Yeltsin stole the when Gennady ran to president. >>845406 >This is such a stupid statement. You seem to mix up the КПСС and КПРФ. КПСС ended with Soviet Union and КПРФ is basically an opportunistic offshoot of КП РСФСР - after government refused to register communist party for parlament elections, Zuganov formed another one and promised to cooperate with new liberal government after wich КПРФ was officially registered. They are basically a party of opportunists straight from the beginning. Yes, I forgot to put CPSU - don't do an ordeal for that like looking into strawmaning.
>>845406 http://www.skmrf.ru/hronika/ Also, here you have a lot of workers and internal leadership that really do socialist and awareness about workers rights.
>>844867 >And he is right. Luka is not a communist by any measure. In fact actual communist movements and labor movements are suppressed. Communist symbols and movements are banned in Ukraine (after the colour revolution), Poland, the Baltics, East Germany, Georgia, Czech republic, etc. Most post-Soviet countries in Eastern Europe. The only exceptions are Belarus and Russia right now. > but its not an "actual communist party" But that is moving the goalposts. Maoists would argue that "actual communist" parties as they define them are banned everywhere, and even were in the USSR for a long time. What an actual communist party is seems to be determined by your sectarian beliefs. Supporting Luka is obviously the best decision for communists, really anyone who isn't a neoliberal imperialist generally, because when the colour revolution wins, he dies, or the country is destabilized they will take over ban all communist symbols including the "not actual" communist party of Belarus, privatize everything, destroy the country, etc.
>>845621 I can't decide if you are trolling or you are retarded. Zuganov handed the presidency over to Yeltsin. He talks about how we don't need no revolution because "we hit limit on revolutions in this country". He is an opportunist. >The man that criticized the fall of communism and how influenced in the low quality of live Literally everybode did that. It's called being a populist. But he never tried to give a socialist solution to a problem. >Yes, I forgot to put CPSU - don't do an ordeal for that like looking into strawmaning. Which means, you talked about somethign completely unrelated to topic. You already showed on several occasions that you know nothing about russian politics, so just shut up and fuck off. >Also, here you have a lot of workers and internal leadership that really do socialist and awareness about workers rights. Again, you are just showing that you can't read russian. It is just a chronicle of meaningless stuff like history trivia and actions of putting flowers near some statues.
>>845653 Supressing and banning are not the same things. For example, if you start distributing the propaganda to workers in Russia you will soon find yourself in the hands of the police. They won't have legal causes to put you in jail, but they will harass you each time. Sometimes they can beat the crap out of you too, depending on the region. >But that is moving the goalposts. No, it's not because "they don't practice communism like i do", it's because they are controlled opposition and what they put on a flag doesn't matter. They vote in parlament for increasing the age of retirement or increasing taxation same as liberal parties. They don't pratice ANY kind of socialism or communism at all. They are not even socdems. You just don't understand the realities of our politics which is why you make general statements without any basis for them. Opposing libs is the best decision, not supporting Luka. Supporting a slightly better capitalist is not really a communist thing to do. Besides, sometimes the worse the better, as cruel as it sounds.
>>845673 >I can't decide if you are trolling or you are retarded. Zuganov handed the presidency over to Yeltsin. He talks about how we don't need no revolution because "we hit limit on revolutions in this country". He is an opportunist. >dem out of context phrase without date and where >google says no results, neither in russian, neither in english. bring link or else bullshit.>>845673 >Literally everybode did that. It's called being a populist. But he never tried to give a socialist solution to a problem. But he did it by saying that Russia should go back to the socialist state. He criticized fiercely Gorbashit' Perestroika, he was one of the few hardliners against liberal reforms within the party. >>845673 >Which means, you talked about somethign completely unrelated to topic. You already showed on several occasions that you know nothing about russian politics, so just shut up and fuck off. See? I knew you were going to suck the ghost of this dick so hard you are coping right now. Don't you dare to make a mistake because I will hang on that so hard you will rage-quit online debates. >>845673 >Again, you are just showing that you can't read russian. It is just a chronicle of meaningless stuff like history trivia and actions of putting flowers near some statues. No, not all them are just that, Jeez, what a bunch of hate for the CPRF.
>>845727 >But he did it by saying that Russia should go back to the socialist state. Then why did he give Yeltsin power in 1996?
>>845702 >For example, if you start distributing the propaganda to workers in Russia you will soon find yourself in the hands of the police. Every state bans certain forms of propaganda. What propaganda? Sometimes that is a good thing. I support Luka, but I would criticize them for not doing more to stop colour revolution propaganda. > No, it's not because "they don't practice communism like i do", it's because they are controlled opposition and what they put on a flag doesn't matter. Yet you could say the same thing about the Communist party of China, or any communist party really. So the question is: where is there an "actual communist party" that is allowed to organize anywhere in the world? > You just don't understand the realities of our politics I just got into this thread, please don't ad hominem me right away. You don't even know anything about me. >Opposing libs is the best decision, not supporting Luka. Supporting a slightly better capitalist is not really a communist thing to do. I disagree. I would even make the radical statement that we need non-communist allies, perhaps that is shocking. I also don't think we need to ban all religion in today's age. Communists won in WW2 by making alliances. I think communists should support Luka even if that means working with non-communists in Belarus. Anyone who can help stop the colour revolution can be an ally. I am sick of this "opposing the libs but not supporting x" type of logic. They said the same about Gadaffi and everyone else, and it didn't help. > Besides, sometimes the worse the better, as cruel as it sounds. Not for the last thirty years I have been witnessing. Look at the Ukraine, nothing better there.
>>845727 You failed at googling then, here the source. "Зюганов Г. Драма власти. М., 1993, с. 77." >But he did it by saying that Russia should go back to the socialist state. Do you know what "opportunist" means? >he was one of the few hardliners against liberal reforms within the party. Yet he and his party voted for everything same as liberals. >No, not all them are just that, Jeez, what a bunch of hate for the CPRF. Show me which one is about wroking rights then.
>>845727 Also, link: https://ru.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/Геннадий_Андреевич_Зюганов >Наша страна исчерпала лимит на революции и прочие потрясения. Мы абсолютно не приспособлены сейчас к борьбе. И слава Богу >Out country has exhausted it's limit for revolutions and other disturbances. We are absolutely not prepared for struggle. And bless God [for that].
>>845746 >Every state bans certain forms of propaganda. What propaganda? Not OP, but any communist propaganda is significantly suppressed in Russia. Soviet symbols are only allowed for patriotic purposes.
>>845746 >Every state bans certain forms of propaganda. What propaganda? It's like you forgot what we are talking about in the last post. Communist propaganda and organization of labor unions. It is not oficially banned, but it is supressed by police and all official channels. >I just got into this thread, please don't ad hominem me right away. You don't even know anything about me. I know that you are trying to judge russian political landscape by what happens in you country with (my guess would be) liberal democracy. aAns you are saying things that anyone even remotely familiar with russian internal politics would never said. So, yes, it's not ad hominem, you are just not informed on the subject. >Not for the last thirty years I have been witnessing. In post soviet territory left is on the rise actually. It's just a beginning but people start to realise that they can't be apolitical and they need to do something. The interest is growing and people are radicalizing, both to the left and to the right.
>>845776 You can't even use soviet flag on Victory Parade anymore, you will get close attention of the police.
>>845782 Wow. That is insane. Also, Zyuganov and others are what are known as охранители [okhraniteli] in Russia. No matter their political stance, critical of the current state of affairs or not, when the system is in trouble they defend it. Zyuganov had no problem giving Yeltsin the reins of power in 1996 at the same time as criticising his reforms. That is the problem of opportunism, you can't criticize a system and yet use it for your purposes. You have to pick one. That is also the problem with Lukashenko. He is not a socialist, he has an unique state capitalist government that nonetheless has similar problems as any capitalist country. He continues to privatize more and more of the economy and impose harsher laws on the people. If he wins this conflict, all that will happen is that he will institute the same liberal reforms advocated by the protesters just in a longer time frame. You can't win by allying yourself to one oligarchical power structure against another. You have to forge your own way or not do anything at all.
>>845803 Thanks you for you input comrade. You put it into words much better than i can.
>>845755 >Зюганов Г. Драма власти. М., 1993, с. 77 [email protected] the out of context phrase... Here: https://kprf.ru/crisis/agitator/102479.html >>845755 >Do you know what "opportunist" means? lol, so he's an opportunist for saying that the socialist project should exists how it was... >>845755 >Yet he and his party voted for everything same as liberals. >he Nah >his Not 'his' if the party votes and he doesn't vote for ir. >>845755 >Show me which one is about wroking rights then. http://www.skmrf.ru/hronika/news_8680.html Demonstrations organization from the party. >http://www.skmrf.ru/hronika/news_8465.html They literally work hand in hand with unions and youth workers, like Nicholas Papadimitriou. You can be a Russian, but seems you are more like a guarimbero to me.
>>845776 >Not OP, but any communist propaganda is significantly suppressed in Russia. Soviet symbols are only allowed for patriotic purposes. This is not 100% truth in all regions in Russia, and has their own history. Some extremist communist were doing incendiary things to government infrastructure in the 90' that conduced to ban on some communist symbols.
>>845824 >the out of context phrase... It is not, READ HIS BOOK, i gave you the name and even page. First of all, it's in his book, not something that he said in the court or public, so the defense "it was tough times" doesn't work. It's just cheap damage control. >lol, so he's an opportunist for saying that the socialist project should exists how it was... Yes, saying one things and doing something completely different. Opportunism. >Not 'his' if the party votes and he doesn't vote for ir. Yeah, just like Zhirinovskiy. He also doesn't vote on bad issues, but all of his party either votes for or abstains. That is what controlled opposition means. >Demonstrations organization from the party. Demonstrations are basically safe way of letting steam out without harming capitalists. No one cares about demonstrations. Now show me where they organize strikes. They don't. >They literally work hand in hand with unions and youth workers, like Nicholas Papadimitriou. They WROTE A LETTER. they don't WORK on anything useful.
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Just gonna put it there.
So, uh, what about Belarus? Any news on what's going on there?
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>>845042 >Putin is supported by official communist party of Russia. 🤔🤔🤔
Belarus is doomed either way. If "violent rioters" coups the country its full capitalism. If Russia de facto annexes Belarus all state owned industry will be sold to Russian oligarchs.
>>846040 >wikipedia Well, if it says that CPRF is a real opposition it must be so. Can't refute that.
>>846066 That's about it, yes.
>>845978 Neat cherrypicking. My sarcasm is bitterer than those cherries.
>>846073 You figure Wikipedia stans the CPRF? Even the most belligerent social chauvinists at least call the CPRF "controlled opposition" rather than claiming that they somehow support Putin.
>>845777 >It's like you forgot what we are talking about in the last post. Communist propaganda and organization of labor unions. It is not oficially banned, but it is supressed by police and all official channels. Yeah and where is that not the case in your understanding? >I know that you are trying to judge russian political landscape by what happens in you country with (my guess would be) liberal democracy. aAns you are saying things that anyone even remotely familiar with russian internal politics would never said. So, yes, it's not ad hominem, you are just not informed on the subject. Long essay defending your ad hominem >In post soviet territory left is on the rise actually. LMAO. You live in a different universe, okay then.
>>846570 Controlled opposition means "not a real opposition". Wherever it means they support Putin or just work for goverment status quo is just semantics. For almost 30 years fo their existence they never organized worker strikes. Despite the fact that they have all the means to do so. They only can do demonstrations which never lead to any results. >>846646 >Yeah and where is that not the case in your understanding? DRPK. The point is that you spend last several posts to argue that Russia and Belarus government is pro communist and now you moved goalposts to "well, it's like that everywhere". Yes it is like that in every capitalist country and as in any other capitalist country official "left" parties that are allowed in parlament are not very lefty. >LMAO. You live in a different universe, okay then. No, i just do the actual agitprop and did it for several years instead of being some armchair faggot whinning on leftypol. It's funny how earlier on someone accused me of being arrogant. Yet here we are, some two faggots still trying to explain a native how things are being in his country, despite not even speaking his language. Westerners.
>>784808 The most effective way to destroy documents is to leave them completely intact and only burn the edges.
WHAT ARE SOME PRO-GOVERNMENT SOURCES,MEDIA OUTLETS,BLOGS!
>>847053 A "controlled opposition" is still an opposition. It's just an opposition set up by the powers that be to funnel real opposition into it and keep it contained. A controlled opposition does NOT directly support the government, that's their whole purpose, to be an opposition without genuinely being one.
>>847053 >DRPK. The WPK is absolutely not an actual communist party. They rejected Marxism for Juche. So I ask the question again where is an actual communist party? No where. If the situation is the same anywhere there is no reason to single out Belarus and Russia for special criticism. We can point out how Ukraine and most countries in Eastern Europe and in general are even worse off. Do you not think that having a "not actual communist party" is better then having none at all? You seem to have implied that worse (which is surely what we'll get if Luka goes) is better at some point. >No, i just do the actual agitprop and did it for several years instead of being some armchair faggot whinning on leftypol. I don't know or care about your personal history. The fact is that activism only has merits if it brings positive results, the activism we have seen in the last thirty years in general has not. Its created colour revolutions and disastrous results. The only kind of rise in leftism is a drastic rise in liberalism. Eastern europe is no exception. Liberalism is no kind of actual leftism. The youth don't care about the USSR or communism. Its eternally tarnished by the collapse even if it wasn't for propaganda. Thats why this colour revolution shit is happening in Belarus now, because there is no rise in actual leftism. If the rise in liberal thinking in the youth isn't dealt with even after this colour revolution fails, the next one might succeed.
>>848946 DRPK is currently the most socialist country economically. >Do you not think that having a "not actual communist party" is better then having none at all? No, it's not. First of all it's not even an actual party, just like LDPR and other fake opposition "parties". >You seem to have implied that worse (which is surely what we'll get if Luka goes) is better at some point. And you seemed to completely miss the point of that one. >If the situation is the same anywhere there is no reason to single out Belarus and Russia for special criticism. You (or some other dipshit) were trying to prove to me that official communist parties of Belarus and Russia are actual communist parties and that communist movement have free reign in there. Then you moved your goalsposts to "well, it's like that everywhere". Kys, demagogue >The fact is that activism only has merits if it brings positive results, the activism we have seen in the last thirty years in general has not. Its created colour revolutions and disastrous results. You seem to miss your pill time. What does me helping to organize workers for strikes and explaining them what unions are have to do with color revolutions? And yes, there were actual results on that front, as in some of those strikes lead to workers getting better conditions. >The only kind of rise in leftism is a drastic rise in liberalism. Take your head out of your ass and talk with real people, instead of whinning on imageboards. People are waking up and starting to ask questions and every red party who does any sort of activity will tell you that. At least here in Russia. Of course if you gonna ask people to support Luka, they gonna turn to liberalism, because you are not giving them any new options outside of what they already see. And not only that, you gonna smear the left in their eyes, because they will think that liberals are right and lefties are just wanna create a dictatorship.
>>849006 > You (or some other dipshit) were trying to prove to me that official communist parties of Belarus and Russia are actual communist parties and that communist movement have free reign in there. As I said before someone else was arguing that against you. All I have been saying since my first post >>845653 is that according to some people "actual communist parties" are banned everywhere. You'll notice that in my first post there, so I haven't changed what I am saying at all. Anyways I made my point so there is no need to further beat a dead horse. > Of course if you gonna ask people to support Luka, they gonna turn to liberalism, because you are not giving them any new options outside of what they already see. And not only that, you gonna smear the left in their eyes, because they will think that liberals are right and lefties are just wanna create a dictatorship. Firstly I don't care about Russia, or the KPRF, or the DPRK, etc. You live in Russia, okay whatever. Those are side discussions and this is a Belarus thread. The only issue is why you think people should not support Lukashenko. So the crux of your argument is that supporting Lukashenko will "smear the left" because Lukashenko is "a dictator." I am not going to change your opinion, your not going to change mine so we just have to agree to disagree.
>>849081 Allright, if you didn't say that, than i apologize. I guess i kept arguing with previous anon in my head. Well, the crux of my argument is that communists should always fight porkies in their own country first before fighting porkies from other countries and allying with one proky against worse porky is not what you should do. It's just the position "well, other capitalists are worse so we should support ours, they fight american imperialism/fascism" is thrown around by some of our government propagandists who target lefties. It is clearly wrong. Both are worse, as comrade Stalin would've said. Also, just gonna say it to you. Going by relatively recent poll, 66% of people in Russia would prefer to go return USSR. Those are either old people or young people. So you are wrong, those who were hooked on liberalism are not young anymore, they are more of a middle age group. The youngs are starting to become interested in communist ideas again and this is a good signal, comrade. Though i am not gonna say that there isn't a lot of young people interested in right ideologies. There are, but the wheel is turning and liberalism time is coming to an end.
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>>845653 >Communist symbols and movements are banned in East Germany No. Nobody really cares. It's just seen as part of 20th century German history and here in the East DDR items are now sort of integrated into regional folklore and, oddly enough, even cherished by local bourgeois unpolitical people and right-wingers to a certain degree. Eastern states such have a small legal communist party that is banned in western states such as Bavaria or NRW. However rabid butthurt belt style anti-communism is increasing here as well thanks to the new zionist alt-right party AfD (which has close ties to Trump, Netanyahu and Putin) and Qtards.
>>798223 It was always a German collaborator flag, whether imperial, Nazi, or neoliberal.
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I like how leftypol keep worshipping corrupt right-wingers as anti-imperialists.
>>853720 You stupid fucking idiot. Belarus is neighbor of Russia and it's industry is dependent on raw resources of Siberia. It's near impossible not to have relationships with Russia for Belarus. And yes it's anti-imperialists.
>>853720 The current alternative is economically far more right-wing.
>>797959 The only good boomer.
>>797959 """"""""""""Communist""""""""""""""
Lukabased talks to russian media https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=dGckQ-4qtuI
update me haven't followed this in weeks. thanks preemptively for the effort.
>>853720 t. CIA
>>854987 didn't watch all of it but he did say he wasn't going to privatise the state-run enterprises, which is based.
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Швейцарский инвестор в Беларуси не вмешивается в политику. Швейцарский производитель железнодорожного подвижного состава Stadler Rail оказался в центре политического шторма в Белоруссии. Открыв недавно в Минске большой сборочный цех, глава компании Петер Шпюлер столкнулся уже не с экономической, но политической проблемой. Швейцарское радио SRF на днях поговорило с ним. В сборочном цеху в городе Фаниполь под Минском работают 1 500 человек или 15% от общего числа работников, занятых в швейцарской компании Stadler Rail. Тем самым данный завод, продукция которого поставляется во все государства СНГ, включая страны Центральной Азии, является в составе швейцарского концерна крупнейшим производственным подразделением. Председатель совета директоров и генеральный директор концерна Петер Шпюлер, говорит, что находится в постоянном контакте с руководством белорусского предприятия. «На данный момент на фабрике царит спокойная атмосфера, работа идет в нормальном русле. Конечно, некоторые сотрудники ходят на демонстрации, но сам завод не бастует». Тот факт, что сотрудники компании в своё свободное время ходят на демонстрации, Петера Шпюлера не беспокоит. «Мы швейцарцы и мы, естественно, вполне в этом смысле открыты. Если кто-то в свободное время хочет высказать свое мнение, то ему это разрешено. Никаких запретов для сотрудников у нас нет». Напомним, что жестокие действия силовых структур против демонстрантов и подозрения в фальсификации выборов вызвали в адрес Александра Лукашенко жесткую международную критику. Кризис переживает не только Беларусь. Пандемия затронула и Stadler Rail. Объемы продаж и чистая прибыль оказались в этом году значительно ниже ожиданий аналитиков. Один из ведущих акционеров компании, немецкий фонд RAG-Stiftung, продал половину своих акций, против Stadler Rail в мае 2020 года была проведена мощная хакерская атака. Однако, как говорит компания, во второй половине года должен произойти явный подъем. После этого сообщения бумаги компании на бирже подросли на 2,2%. Швейцарские правозащитные организации требуют, чтобы компания Stadler Rail и ее руководитель ясно дистанцировались от правительства Лукашенко. Петер Шпюлер категорически отвергает такие требования. «Мы, разумеется, не будем вмешиваться во внутренние дела этой страны». «Швейцария поддерживает дипломатические отношения с Беларусью, в отношении этой страны никаких санкций не вводилось», — говорит Петер Шпюлер. «Почему мы, будучи предпринимателями, должны занимать здесь какую-то политическую позицию? Нам бы тоже не очень понравилось, если бы иностранные компании захотели нам вдруг объяснить, как нам жить в Швейцарии». Владелец Stadler Rail был одним из первых иностранных предпринимателей, инвестировавших в экономику Беларуси. Эта компания уже шесть лет успешно собирает в этой стране свои вагоны и локомотивы. Александр Лукашенко неоднократно с похвалой отзывался о этом швейцарском предпринимателе. Но сейчас Петер Шпюлер ждёт и надеется. «Мы чувствуем ответственность за наших белорусских сотрудников и мы беспокоимся, как все будет продолжаться в будущем». «Мы швейцарцы и поэтому с политической точки зрения мы нейтральны. Но я надеюсь, конечно, что кризисная внутриполитическая ситуация будет разрешена здесь без насилия». Знай он, что все так получится, принял бы он шесть лет назад решение инвестировать в Беларусь? На этот ответ Петер Шпюлер без колебаний даёт позитивный ответ, сообщает www.swissinfo.ch
What are some pro Government youtube chanels, websites, blogs or facebook pages?
https://tass.ru/ekonomika/9452723 Россия и Белоруссия договорились о предоставлении Минску кредита на $1,5 млрд RIP Belarusian Sovereignty 1995-2020
All anti-communists flags, should make you think.
>>870816 >Freedom for individuals Holy meaningless buzzwords, Batman. As a Burger, I feel ashamed that I ever fell for that shit in the first place.
>>862333 >youtube >facebook Most of Western media (including social media) is pro-opposition. Same goes for the language - the opposition uses the English language because they're in love with the West and want to lobby the West for help, whereas pro-Luka side uses Belarussian/Russian since there's no point in pandering to the West, instead they write to their fellow countrymen. (Off-topic: there's actually an interesting development in Russia where artists in the last decade went back to using Russian after preferring English because they realized the West is not synonymous with cosmopolitanism.) Best best for pro-Luka info in English is research done by Western anti-imperialists like Grayzone, but I've not seen anything substantial so far.
>>870816 Where is this from?
>>870816 All of those countries are in great shape now btw
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>>871389 Sure Nazi :) >>871045 Bradford Cathedral
>>871026 What are some pro-government Russian language blogs, youtube channels, websites or media outlets?
>>870816 shouldn't hungary be replaced with moldova
>>871389 Only Estonia is doing okay and only because they were allowed to jump on the imperialist gravy train because of their strategic importance. That's one of the reasons why they went muh Nordic socdem rather than neoliberal shock therapy.
>>853720 t. Langley
Friday night. Beginning of another weekend.
Une analyze un peu plus approfondie par Bruno Drweski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsivuAez_jw
>>758383 Burger here. Can somebody fill me in?
>>887256 Without watching this moron: has he at least once mentioned that 50% of the economy are publicly owned and that this neoliberal movement at least very openly threatens this, or did he exclusively complain about muh gays and muh democracy?
>>887266 tl/dr Belarus never got the neoliberal shock therapy like the rest of the Warsaw Pact which allowed it to keep a lot of the enterprises in public ownership and maintain a somewhat stable quality of life with the lowest poverty and inequality levels in Europe; neoliberals now want to stage a color revolution with foreign funding for EU monopoly capital to cannibalize Belarussian SoEs and to further encirculate Russia. The whole Belarus thing is just a prelude to further escalation with Russia. Some protests fall on fertile soil because Luka fucked up the Coronavirus response, but of course they're misled by the neoliberal snake oil salesmen.
>>887284 I see. So like Hong Kong but less astroturf?
>>870816 Ukraine was such a "captive nation" that 3/8 Soviet leaders were Ukrainian despite Ukrainians being 1/5 of the population.
>>887284 why have protests occurred after this election and not after the previous one? is it because of the perceived egregiousness of the election results and luka's handling of covid or something else?
>>887277 >did he exclusively complain about muh gays and muh democracy? AND plus luka is torturing people and he's racist
>>887798 How is Luka racist? Genuine question.
>>888236 Apparently he said something about how "black skinned, yellow faced, and blonde headed NATO soldiers" would invade Belarus
>>887284 >tl/dr Belarus never got the neoliberal shock therapy like the rest of the Warsaw Pact which allowed it to keep a lot of the enterprises in public ownership and maintain a somewhat stable quality of life with the lowest poverty and inequality levels in Europe; neoliberals now want to stage a color revolution with foreign funding for EU monopoly capital to cannibalize Belarussian SoEs why isn't Eu monopoly capital investing at home instead ?
Hi. I'm an English anarchist who went to Belarus to participate in the anti-Luka protests. Despite the language barrier (and thx to my translator comrades) I'm becoming a prominent member of the oppositional community. They even published an interview with me in a local news site. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. No trolls, plz.
>>888282 So just slurs? That's it? They wanna overthrow a country and install a neoliberal regime because he said a slur and made fun of homos on television?
>>888378 >So just slurs? That's it? They wanna overthrow a country and install a neoliberal regime because he said a slur and made fun of homos on television? lol imperialism to wash his potty mouth
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>>887543 There were protests by the opposition every time Lukashenko was reelected
>>888371 how doed one glow more than this?
>>888371 Post the interview
>>894057 Go to reddit. Anarchist are really bad as that
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Aleksandr Lukashenko took office of president of Belarus today. An oath on allegiance to the president and the Belarusian nation was taken by representatives of the army and force services.
U.S. no longer recognizes Lukashenko as legitimate president of Belarus https://www.axios.com/us-lukashenko-president-belarus-353ed235-98f7-446f-919a-6a6cdab81975.html The U.S. no longer recognizes Aleksandr Lukashenko as the legitimate president of Belarus, the State Department said in a statement on Wednesday. "The situation is clear for us. We consider the elections of August 9 fraudulent. We don't recognize Lukashenko as the legitimate president of Belarus." — Josep Borrell last week to the European Parliament A German government spokesperson reiterated today that Germany does not view Lukashenko as legitimate, adding of Wednesday's inauguration: "The fact that this ceremony was prepared secretly and carried out away from the public eye is very telling." — German government spokesman
>>896343 Russia has a chance to reintegrate post-soviet states. USSR 2.0 coming soon.
>>818790 I loved that puppet state of Imperial Germany too! Best flag. The coat of arms is the same as Lithuania's whose Nationalists want to annex Belarus too. Finally those shitty Communist symbols will be removed and yet another state will get TRUE FREEDOM. Love Belarusian Banderists too. I am a Social Democrat supporting the Conservative opposition btw because I am excited by literally any revolt ever because I got my political understanding of the world from Twitter and the CIA.
Ukrainians on Lukashenko: Support for protesters - 45.3% Support for Lukashenka - 31.3% No opinion - 23.4%
>>835152 NuLeftypol: Lukashenko is a shitty NazBol just like Gaddafi and Assad! (Ignore the rising power of far right Islamists thanks to their boycott btw) Also NuLeftypol: I don't know but to me those Banderists and Neoliberal Conservatives look like they will establish real Socialism! Classic. Welcome to r/socialism comrades.
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>>785549 >few years, it would be A TRIUMPH for the far right So we are finally admitting that accepting mass migration without a plan is actually bad for the working class and the overall situation in Europe? Good. And no. It would not be a "triumph for the far right". The European far right has contributed nothing to the opposition in Belarus. Thus it would not be their own triumphant victory. Centrists are the ones behind it all. Conservatives and Neoliberals. The CDU in Germany. The ones in charge of the EU calling for sanctions against Belarus but not against Turkey even though Turkey has been an aggressor while Belarus only ever fucked with itself. Quite hypocritical I think but that's how it is. And will the far right rise again massively if this happens? I doubt it. Unless Belarussian immigrants join them directly. Like Serbians in Austria who are ardent supporters of the Right Populists because Islamic influence and more low pay workers is what is bothering them. Belarusians, Poles, etc they all are desired immigrants by the economy. They got some education. Unlike most Syrians or Africans. They are more difficult to use but moral preachers will still take them ofc they got a human face after all. But they don't actually need them. Get what I mean? Imported foreign labour. Cheap. And efficient. Does the far right profit from it directly? Not exactly. Since the business oriented further right is fucking dying everywhere. Meanwhile the more social populistic right wing parties pandering to the workers are gaining support- and rest assured it is not only "natives" upsett about foreign labourers- but also foreign labourers upset about more foreign labourers. You know why that is don't you? Because the left has ignored and still ignores this issue and pretends the same groups are on the same fronts always. Reactionary but widely accepted. And we refuse to distinct between different groups of migrants ignoring obviously relevant factors that will be needed in proper societal analysis to make find any functional and social way to deal with the current issues. But yes. Instead we find ourselves worrying about grand arch-enemy triumphs our arch-enemies did nothing for and ignore in fact it is US who is letting them gain not only from societal division thanks to migration and the lack of proper integration systems- but also because we are not gathering actual solutions for the working class in our countries. Instead leftist parties have started pandering to the IDPOL loving Bourgs that love maintaining a humanitarian facade. Empty delusional idealism is exactly down their alley. Surely no bright future lies ahead for us if we keep neglecting reality just because we are uncomfortable with confronting it. Who can stop the triumph of the Liberals and Conservatives that are behind this soley economic putsch attempt? Not us. Maybe some Belarussians or Putin if he presses out a net benefit outta this somehow. And not the far right in Europe either. But we can work on solutions and maybe just maybe we will be able to gain something too once the pretty facades start to crumble. If not we might as well be the ones cheering for the Libs and Cons on their victory parade sitting in the last row as the right has the front view.
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>>888371 Why are Anarchists always footsoldiers for economic US interest as soon as they step into the 2nd or 3rd world?
>>896343 EU has followed up: https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN26F0ZE Maybe tomorrow they'll fly Juan Guaido in. The Lukashenko is truly finished
>>898022 Who must go?
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>>897870 You dropped this
Shit dudes, from what I'm hearing Lithuania has a refugee crisis brewing on its hands. Was a real 4D chess move to stir the pot and support the opposition.
>>898433 Source? Only news is that Lithuania wants to hoard Belarusian IT companies and few thousand employees and their families. Hardly refugees.
>>898473 Second hand source. Know someone who knows someone in the media that likes to discuss their upcoming news segments. Might be overblown though.
>>897941 Because anti-tankies are Neoliberal Atlanticists at heart.
>>898491 >Might be overblown though. Obviously. It's not lik Belarus is in the middle of civil war or foreign invasion (which often tend to be one and the same as seen in Libya or Syria)
>>900710 when will his damn pizza go cold?

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