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Anonymous 07/31/2020 (Fri) 19:50:03 No. 735441
>Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past Is this a good summation of anti-semitism? When it gets posted on 4chan all they do is call him a jew and make fun of how Satre looks.
I don’t know about generic anti-semitism but it perfectly describes how a /pol/yp deals with it.
This criticism applies to a very wide range of things tbh.
>>735441 >discussing anti semitism with /pol/fags in 1917+103 There's no chance of winning that argument since there's no argument. You'll just get happy merchant memes spammed.
>>735487 and also "muh Culture of Critique"
Yeah I think this kind of hits the nail on the head, anti-semitism and ruminations on "the jewish question" have only ever obfuscated properly addressing issues, assuming that these people are actually even trying to seriously address issues in the first place and not just being contrarian and hateful
>>735489 they literally just want brown people out of their videogames. they don’t seriously care about economics or any of that shit besides “ban Jews from these positions”
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Anti-semitism is for those who can't understand how society works.
>>735441 >Is this a good summation of anti-semitism? When it gets posted on 4chan all they do is call him a jew and make fun of how Satre looks. Well, you answered your own question.
>When it gets posted on 4chan all they do is call him a jew and make fun of how Satre looks. Sartre got the highest tier of pussy every week, a strong defeater of incel theory
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>>735487 The only time I've ever engaged was in a thread about Holocaust denial where I mentioned my grandfather was in a U.S. Army unit that came across one of the camps (Neuengamme) and they force-marched the surrounding townspeople through the camp for them to look at it. End of story. They don't tend to respond to that.
As they say, anti-semitism is the socialism of fools
>>735508 Also this is why I don't believe in "debating" anti-Semites. It's like, here's a camp, we're putting a stop to it, and for those nearby who don't know what's going on in there, here's an opportunity, and you don't have a choice. Have a great weekend.
>>735508 >and they force-marched the surrounding townspeople through the camp for them to look at it. We're going to have to do this kind of thing again with contemporary western liberals, but hopefully before the atrocities happen.
Anti-semites are just mad that THEY aren't controlling the world instead.
>>735493 I'm the person you responded to, and yeah I agree
>>735493 This is a retarded simplification tbqh. If you believe this then you seem to take everything at face value, and only actually engaged with nazis superficially on /v/ or something.
Do any leftists do this at all? I just don't want to engage in bad dishonest rhetoric. I don't think so most socialist are pretty honest and will lay out what they think in simple language
>>735535 The Communists disdain to conceal their views and aims. They openly declare that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions. Let the ruling classes tremble at a Communistic revolution. The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win. Working men of all countries unite!
>>735506 what is this supposed to prove.
>>735441 >Is this a good summation of anti-semitism? No. It's a cop out. An adhom fallacy/pathologisation of opposing views is not a good summation of anything.
So essentially when Trotsky said "If you cannot convince a fascist, acquaint his head with the pavement," he was only half right, in that, you should just skip the first part.
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Rightoids seriously think attractiveness is all that matters.
>>735579 Yes, the irony of course is that they are usually the least attractive (if we are talking about the modern far right that is).
>>735509 socialism is the puritanism of atheists
>>735579 Ironically from what I have read Sartre got mad pussy while Jünger didn't
>>735441 Firstly define anti-semitism. Then classify the different types - some of which are mutually exclusive Then make a distinction between good faith,legitimate criticism of judaism/jewish interest groups/elites/zionism and antisemitism Then you might be able to come up with a better analysis than Sartre's. Protip: if you accept the IHRA definition - you're retarded.
>>735592 >mad pussy Exploiting mentally ill women is nothing to be proud off
>>735441 I have wondered for a long time the psychology of such simple minded scape goats. Quality thread.
>>735441 can someone post anti-antisemitism debunking pics please?
>>735596 >Firstly define anti-semitism. you first >Then make a distinction between good faith,legitimate criticism of judaism/jewish interest groups/elites/zionism and antisemitism there is good faith criticism of zionism and the israel lobby. the rest is at best diversion, at best the same kind of slipperiness sartre described
>>735613 *at worst the same kind. im dumb
>>735610 2% of US population 30%+ of US billionaires >simple minded scape goats ok
>>735441 Hate the word antisemitism. Should've made it judeophobia like some proposed. Anti-antisemitism is just clunky.
>>735615 you again?
>>735613 >you first Hatred of ethnic jews for being ethnic jews >the rest is at best diversion >judaism as a religion is beyond criticism >behaviour of jewish interest groups is beyond criticism >behaviour of jewish elites is beyond criticism ok retard
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>>735615 That moment when you realize that Jews were put in charge of all the banking systems in the middle ages, because Christians thought dealing with money is evil, but inadvertently makes Jews very rich.
>>735620 who? >>735627 >we dindu nuthin. Christians made us do it Right on cue
>>735615 But you don't give a shit about the white billionaires, so yes, it is a scapegoat.
>>735630 Perhaps I don't like them either. Perhaps my point was that a disproportionately rich and powerful group who conflate any criticism as racism - well - it's anything but a "simple minded scapegoat"
>>735627 More accurately >That moment when Jews were put in charge of money during the Middle Ages >That moment when this made Jews overrepresented in the emerging middle class >That moment when the bourgeois revolutions happened in the 18th/19th centuries and effectively destroyed the influence of the landed gentry, transferring power to the middle class >That moment when middle class and bourgeois Western European Jews fleeing antisemitism settle in America >That moment when these Jews are accepted as white, thus having no racial barriers to success >That moment when these Jews are insulated from European pogroms, allowing them to grow their populations, wealth, and assimilate
>>735626 >judaism as a religion is beyond criticism criticizing a religion is fucking pointless. yes, there are reprehensible things in religious texts. but ultimately believers cherrypick things, and in some cases barely pick up their bible >behaviour of jewish interest groups is beyond criticism did you not catch the mention of the israel lobby (including diaspora jewish groups cuz all they do is suck israel's dick anyway) >behaviour of jewish elites is beyond criticism why single out one section of elites?
>>735638 tldr >stuff happened in the past >this justifies us being sectarian uber porkies who dismiss and pathologise all and any criticism as racism/antisemitism/nazism Ok
>>735640 >the point <your head
>>735633 >group who conflate any criticism as racism Tf is the point of criticizing a group? Why not criticize the people who are guilty?
>>735642 they're CAUSES, not justifications. >>735644 not a rebuttal
>>735610 I like the analysis of antisemitism as giving capitalism a human face
>>735645 Agreed. But if many of the guilty are disproportionately from one group - confusion may arise. I don't agree with anti-semitism but then my definition is straightforward unlike the IHRA def which is utterly ridiculous and all encompassing. Sartre's statement is also of little use as many get smeared with the antisemitic label unjustly
>>735646 >they're CAUSES, not justifications. Stop employing them as such then >not a rebuttal There was nothing to rebut
>>735615 >we just need good white billionaires and every thing will work!
>>735658 Yes that's exactly what I was saying. kek Idiot
>>735660 so it’s scapegoat
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>>735441 Why do leftists simp so much for kikes but when it comes to Muslims you guys don't mind putting them in camps
>>735664 Those stats were produced to explain why it is not a simple minded scapegoat. It shouldnt be surprising when rich powerful groups come in for criticism and this shouldnt be cynically conflated with racism in all instances. Case in point: there will be numerous posters here,jewish and otherwise - who will assume I'm antisemitic for taking a more nuanced stance than the current liberal hegemonic narrative ie all criticism of jews/jewish groups (beyond critiques of zionism) is defacto antisemitism.
>>735668 I don’t mind putting anyone in camps to be honest. the nazis and chinese just do it to the wrong people in my opinion.
>>735672 Semitic alliance when?
>>735673 Assad is putting ISIS members in concentration camps. is he part of a Semitic alliance?
>>735664 To give an example. I think too many jews identify much too strongly with their petty ethno-religious identity. This in turn can lead them to behave in nepotistic/sectarian and racist ways. This is a serious fault that they must work to overcome. Fortunately there are many who do. Saying this however will get one smeared as an antisemite. This is factually wrong and unjust.
>>735680 I feel as though most actual anti-semites don’t really talk like that though. I don’t see what point you’re making other than trying to distinguish ideological criticisms of Jewish individuals from anti-semitism, which in my experience isn’t true in reality. maybe on Twitter, but not in reality.
>>735685 (me) I should say “relevant in reality” actually. what I mean is that I think most liberals and leftists are capable of that nuance. sage for double post
>>735671 No you’re admitting that whites make better billionaires and somehow by voodoo magic would produce a better capitalism if there were more whites and less jews who were richer. You are not leftist
>>735685 >>735686 >most actual anti-semites don’t really talk like that though Perhaps you're conflating everyone accused of "antisemitism" or every statement/position dismissed as antisemitic with frothing at the mouth /pol/tards. I've seen numerous instances of legit criticism being immediately smeared as vile anti-semitism. Paradoxically this may in fact actually contribute to resentment and development of actual antisemitic views for the less stoic individuals among us.
>>735691 Kek Only noones saying that. Seek therapy you dribbling retard. This is a nuanced discussion for sane adults,not moronic schizoids arguing with the strawmen of their own fevered imagination.
>>735694 I see that more from conservatives than anything. if anything with shit like BDS and the Free Palestine movement I’ve seen self proclaimed liberals and leftists get quite hateful in their statements about Jews. especially since I’m in New York where everyone and their mother has had a Jewish boss, lawyer, or teller at one point in their lives. that’s just my experience though.
>>735703 >I see that more from conservatives than anything In the US at the present time - absolutely. Their alliance with the zionist lobby encourages the conflation of anti-zionism with anti-semitism. But even among the left/liberals - any criticism beyond anti-zionist concerns is quickly shot down as racist/antisemitic. I've seen criticism of circumcision labelled as antisemitic. Radlibs racialise issues and blame everything on whites. Totally fine and tacitly endorsed by mainstream academia/media. Nazis/poltards racialise issues and blame everything on jews. Reeeeee. Taboo - instant career suicide. Normal person with legit complaint against a jewish sectarian NGO Reeeee nazi The first 2 are categorically wrong but only one is treated with the contempt it deserves. The 3rd case also gets unjustly smeared as group 2. This is a moronic state of affairs.It won't end well.
>>735703 Addendum >I’m in New York No offense - NY people in general can be very hateful,aggressive and rude to each other and everyone else. Urban alienation/atomisation
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What's the difference between antisemitism and anti-whiteism? It seems to me Jewish people are the identity group at the top of the social hierarchy in the USA. It seems that the same rules that go for White people should apply for Jews. White people are considered fair target for criticism in the media, comedy, and elsewhere. Joking about, Mexicans, Blacks, and natives, and etc, is sometimes considered taboo for White People, because of the taboo against punching down in general, but with Jews, for everyone, including White People, it's punching up.
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>>735703 >if anything with shit like BDS and the Free Palestine movement I’ve seen self proclaimed liberals and leftists get quite hateful in their statements about Jews. Maybe because you subconsciously(or cosciously) feel sympathetic to Israel and identify with the principle of Zionism and your mind makes cheap cop out excuses like: >especially since I’m in New York where everyone and their mother has had a Jewish boss, lawyer, or teller at one point in their lives. that’s just my experience though. to explain away all the criticisms of Zionism/Judaism and Israel.
>>735656 >we must ask ourselves why are there so many rich jews <people have, this is why >these are all excuses are you dense on purpose?
>But if many of the guilty are disproportionately from one group - confusion may arise. there are material reasons for this disparity but tards like you just want to circlejerk about jews and get nothing done >>735680 why not broadly condemn nepotism and racism? whites and asians do the same things. what about jews necessitates a special approach?
>>735696 This is a nuanced discussion for sane adults Sane adults don't sperg about the j0000z on imageboards
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>>735951 >why not broadly condemn nepotism and racism? whites and asians do the same things. what about jews necessitates a special approach? Why do Whites necessitate a special approach. If we can have Karen memes, why can't we have Shlomo memes.
>>735871 >anti-whiteism saying white people can't dance is not the same thing as saying jews are responsible for bad things in capitalism
>>735668 >MUH UYGHURS
>>735972 if you're salty about zoomers making fun of your aryan waifu be honest about it. >why can't we have Shlomo memes. you can for all you want, but don't be surprised when you become a friend of /pol/
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>>735974 >saying white people can't dance is not the same thing as saying jews are responsible for bad things in capitalism Are you saying people don't say White people are responsible for bad things in capitalism? >>735985 >if you're salty about zoomers making fun of your aryan waifu be honest about it. Who? >you can for all you want, but don't be surprised when you become a friend of /pol/ Air tight logic. To be honest I have no real obsession with Jews. Although I do have an opinion: I dislike the religion as a moral philosophy, especially since it specifically endorses genocide and slavery. Also I'm tired of Holocaust propaganda. It seems the victim complex is the Jewish people's collective identity since they've been playing that card since the days of the pharaohs. It would be laughable if it wasn't so sad how many people keep falling for the same ((shtick)). The way I see Judaism: Just another White person religion. There's about as many Jews as there are Mormons in America, but somehow I manage to avoid hearing about those magic underwear tards complaining about shit all the damn time.
>>735938 Point missed >>735951 Strawman. The discussion is on AS and why it arises so frequently. It's delicate and nuanced. It isn't helped by knee jerk reactions from the triggered. >why not broadly condemn nepotism and racism? I do. >what about jews necessitates a special approach? Because I get smeared as antisemitic when I do it to them. See the problem?
>>735953 Noones sperging out.Except maybe you
>>736005 >To be honest I have no real obsession with Jews. you sure about that one chief? >Also I'm tired of Holocaust propaganda. i literally can't remember the last time i heard about the holocaust. >somehow I manage to avoid hearing about those magic underwear tards complaining about shit all the damn time. you haven't lived in a mormon-heavy area then. those bitches whine about the erosion of "traditional values" and about how people "persecute" them for not wanting to let them do child marriage
>>736020 >Because I get smeared as antisemitic when I do it to them this is irrelevant. nobody in good faith is going to call you antisemitic for criticizing a jewish individual or jewish org. by your logic, we should be going radlib and specifically criticizing white people for their racism and colonialism. your fixation on jews isn't rational no matter how many statistics you read, it's pure idpol. people have tried to answer your question about jewish wealth but you brush it off as excuses. if you want to make shlomo memes be my guest, but have some fun like a /pol/fag and don't intellectualize it. if you're the anglofag from the conspiracy thread you should go to sleep. it's past midnight in bongland.
>>736030 >you sure about that one chief? >Saying chief, boss Absolute faggot detected. Also this is a point I'd like to talk about. Jewish projection of their own self-obsession onto society at large. Charecteristic of a whiny bitch "you probably think this song is about you" type shit. <You're an anti-semite! YOU'RE AN ANTI-SEMITE! >Well I don't like you, because you're annoying as fuck <WELL I'M ONE OF THE CHOSEN, THAT MAKES YOU AN ANTI-SEMITE! No one gives a fuck about religion until you start broadcasting it to the world like I said. Also to note that White Jews are on par with Black Israelites in terms of hateability. All that Black man is King original man shit is what Jews also believe about themselves, and actually worse if you read their religious texts. >i literally can't remember the last time i heard about the holocaust. I can't for the life of me understand what this statement is supposed to prove. Included is a screenshot of a story that's only 2 hours old at the time of this post. >you haven't lived in a mormon-heavy area then. those bitches whine about the erosion of "traditional values" and about how people "persecute" them for not wanting to let them do child marriage I'm sure. I've never lived in a Jewish neighborhood either so this is more of an Apples to Apples comparison for me.
>>736042 >if you want to make shlomo memes be my guest, but have some fun like a /pol/fag and don't intellectualize it. <Everyone who criticizes Jews is the same person Why are Jews like this?
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>>735441 >Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past Bruh that's literally a JEWISH argument technique called PIL-PUL >What this means for contemporary Jewish discourse is critical: Even though many contemporary Jews are not observant, pilpul continues to be deployed. Pilpul occurs any time the speaker is committed to “prove” his point regardless of the evidence in front of him. The casuistic aspect of this hair-splitting leads to a labyrinthine form of argument where the speaker blows enough rhetorical smoke to make his interlocutor submit. Reason is not an issue when pilpul takes over: what counts is the establishment of a fixed, immutable point that can never truly be disputed. Projection at it's finest.
>>736053 What do you mean projection? Are you claiming Sartre engaged in "pilpul" or what?
>>736042 >nobody in good faith is going to call you antisemitic for criticizing a jewish individual or jewish org. Agreed. It isn't done in good faith. But it most assuredly happens. >by your logic, we should be going radlib and specifically criticizing white people for their racism and colonialism That's my point entirely. This radlib racialising is exactly the same as actual antisemitism and why I disapprove of both. But you must concede that these 2 things arent exactly treated the same way now are they. >your fixation on jews isn't rational no matter how many statistics you read I'm not fixated.I'm trying to address the OP honestly and have a frank discussion on why AS is so frequent. All I'm getting is triggered emotional responses. Paradoxically this is another possible cause of resentment and antisemitic sentiments. >people have tried to answer your question about jewish wealth but you brush it off as excuses No. I brush it off as irrelevant to the issue of powerful rich people being the subject of resentment. I'm well aware of the reasons. >if you want to make shlomo memes be my guest I don't. There is another posters here who is a bit more vitriolic than me shall we say. He's not entirely wrong about everything though. >if you're the anglofag from the conspiracy thread you should go to sleep. it's past midnight in bongland. Kek
>>736056 >What do you mean projection? Are you claiming Sartre engaged in "pilpul" or what? I'm saying the argument style he is describing was already formalized by Jews as Pilpul centuries before he made that statement.
>>736061 Not really, but either way, so what?
>>736063 >Not really A compelling argument. >but either way, so what? So it's false to describe the behavior of being characteristic of anti-semites, if it's something that semites are known for doing.
>>736045 jfc this is a /pol/ tier rant
>>736088 Probably a moderator
>>735584 how so
>>736141 >how so Everyone must be accused until The Jew is exalted.
>>736146 what got any example
>>736197 It's a moderator
>>735441 Anti semitism largely serves as a misdirection of class conscioussness. Look at what the ever ominous jew is blamed for; low wages, high prices, shortages, consumerism. it is a convenient way to criticise the effects of capitalism while leaving capitalism untouched. The Jew is simply the scapegoat, he is interchangeable with anybody else, as his function is simply that of the ever present other who is ruining our perfectly fine system, rather than the system being in need of overthrow.
>>736206 Like white people for radlibs then
>>735902 This basically. Most American Jews are zionists and while there is a burgeoning subset of young American Jews who are more skeptical of Zionism and israel they are still largely supportive of that regime as a whole.
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>>735871 >It seems to me Jewish people are the identity group at the top of the social hierarchy in the USA. Not where I live in the USA. It's really that Jews assimilated into whiteness, but that's contingent on certain factors and whiteness can contract as well.
>>736058 >No. I brush it off as irrelevant to the issue of powerful rich people being the subject of resentment. I'm well aware of the reasons. Well if you're wondering why Jews seem disproportionately rich, it's probably because the poor ones couldn't escape and were killed off in large numbers.
>>736384 >that Jews assimilated into whiteness Kek fuck off. This is exactly what I was talking about. Radlibs scapegoating whites is identical to others scapegoating jews - except one is endorsed and the other is taboo. >It's really that whites were corrupted by jewishness, but that's contingent on certain factors and jewishness can contract as well.
>>736386 >Well if you're wondering why Jews seem disproportionately rich I'm not wondering.I know the reasons. >seem disproportionately rich >seem They ARE disproportionately rich
>>736392 >They ARE disproportionately rich Wrong, you're austic /pol/ inforgraphgics don't prove anything.
>>736395 >Wrong Prove it. It's an established fact that jews in the diaspora are disportionately in the bourgeois classes and comprise a hugely disproportionate share of millionaires,billionaires and the top 1%. Why deny objective reality?
>>736225 Yea. Same impulse of just thinking the group you don't like is the only thing wrong with the world.
>>736399 Ok retard /pol/tard
>>736411 >anyone stating inconvenient facts about jews is /pol/nazi/antisemitic reeeee I rest my case. This is what makes some people actually antisemitic. I'm a socialist.
>>736409 This guy gets it
>>736417 >Jews live in first world >not poorfags >being surprised by this
>>736419 So do plenty of other people who arent disproportionately bourgeois porkies - including the actual native inhabitants eg Europe. Jews are disproportionately loaded in the UK too. It's simply a fact.
>>736424 >a lot of hyperporkies are Jews Almost like the core of the feudal bourgeois were Jewish bankers and merchants since Jews were generally forbidden from owning land.
>>736419 What sickens me about you is that you're perfectly happy to scapegoat whitey and shill racist radlib "whiteness" narratives and other such racialised nonsense around - but somebody mentions that jews are rich and suddenly it's all >no not true reeeee >christians forced us >nazi/racist/antisemite reeee /pol/ Really fucking tiresome. Hypocrite.
>>736431 >muh feudal history Right on cue I know all that. Doesnt excuse current porkies and their continuing exploitation now does it?
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>>735579 >physiognomy bwahahaha, literal pseudo-science In any case, Sartre actually wrote about what it is like being ugly. The dude fucked more bitches since he was a philosopher superstar than Jünger for sure.
>>736431 How would you feel to hear about the following: >jewish privilege >jewish fragility >toxic jewishness I don't think you'd like it. You're quite happy to do this to whitey though. I could make a stronger case for these things than "muh whiteness" but guess what - I don't because I'm not an antisemitic or racist asshole who engages in racialised narratives. Be aware though that this can of worms has been opened and plenty of people of all backgrounds are quite happy to engage in this bullshit. You better come up with something better than denial. I've tried to engage frankly on this subject but all I get is triggered "fragile" responses >reee /pol/ nazi I suggest you read and understand the story of the Prague golem. It's appropriate.
>>735441 by far he best take i have heard about anti-semitism is that of zizek, which is nothing new, i believe, but he always says it, in fact it is very similar to what you posted. the question is not if the anti-semite really believes in its foolish conspiracy, the question is that the antisemite suffers from a severe lack or weakness, which the hatred towards the jew and its "casus belli" are then a cope for. A problem is felt unconciously, in the case of /pol/tards for example, being a nerd in the gig economy with no job, no willpower or social abilities because of 21th century first world, stuck at parents house etc... but one cannot simply partake in introspection or "extraspection", it is far more easy to construct an "other" onto which place all (and i mean all) fears, weaknesses, misfortunes, so that one can identify with it by negation, so to affirm its identity as the aryan master race as a cope. The same can be seen in the manosphere: women are idealized as an eternal and homogenous category which serve as the absolute object of desire and therefore of lack, constructed as lesser than the man, only to hide the these men's weakness.
>>736457 I like zizek but this take is as retarded as Sartre's. The same old >they just jelly/weak/insane If only it were that simple. Denial is not a river in Egypt faggot.
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>>736457 Yeah. IMO anti-Semitism is a desperate attempt to capture some of the Jew's particular talent for self-loathing. The Jew is the one for whom something is missing, circumcision is just a reminder of that fact. You try to replace it: that's where you get a bunch of pathological belief systems. This is also why for anti-Semites, people they don't like can "become Jewish," they decide who is a Jew and who isn't, etc. But it really all comes down to projection.
>>736502 talk shit, back it up, you faggot. What would be your alternative then?
>>736457 Also on this point about self-loathing, I saw this particularly insane post on /pol/ the other day, and it was so insane it was hilarious in that deranged way that only /pol/ can manage to produce. And it was like "The white race has been cucked by the Jew, and I am being held down and raped into being given AIDS by a pack of feral uighurs!" And I was like, wow... oh man...
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>>735592 yeah, Sartre fucked despite looking like that He was pretty based in general >>735668 we are down with Muslims who aren't American stooges
>>736516 1/ Some people don't like "jewish" traits ie some people just don't like jews the way some people don't like Italians 2/ Some people are resentful of their disproportionate wealth and societal/legal immunity from criticism 3/ Some elite jewish interest groups/individuals are immoral/nepotistic/sectarian/racist in behaviour while pointing the finger at others 4 / Some people are just looking for an easy target (Sarte,Zizek definition fits here) I could go on
>>736516 Point is that jews have had difficulties with other peoples for 2500 years - multiple different groups with widely divergent religions and cultures. The "jq" has been discussed for centuries incl by jews themselves and Marx. It's simply too flippant,too inane and frankly too insulting to someone's intelligence to just glibly write off a millennia old issue with >yeh they just jelly/projecting/nutters
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>>735441 >>736514 Anti-Semitism is just chosen people envy. The aspiring goyim thinks by praying to his Jewish messiah he can become the true Jew without even properly converting to the religion of his lord. It is for this reason that he loathes the real Jew. He furiously envies what it must feel like to know you are truly one of god's chosen, truly a part of the covenant of circumcision and thus one of god's chosen and entitled to his blessings, through your part in the countless chain of cut baby dicks leading back to the original dick cutting master himself, Abraham. Daily reminder: Jews didn't kill Jesus, Jesus, his mother, disciples, and everyone else in the bible is a jew (unless you're into the weirdo christian cults with their goyim fanfiction: Mormonism, Jehova's Witness etc.) No, Jesus was killed by the goyim.
>>736686 This is either some kind of retarded Jews for Jesus shitpost bait, or a falseflagging /pol/yp
>>736399 I think it's the Ashkenazi Jews, and I imagine that this is the case because the Germans that could afford to escape to the US were likely wealthy, well educated elites, they may have lost their wealth but the secular emphasis on education and academia continued throughout the generations -- there are a few books about the anarchist movement that was borne of Jews disillusioned with capitalism. People forget that Germany was actually rather progressive for its day before WWI especially with respect to Jews, many Jews were well educated and respected (Einstein if I'm not mistaken was actually appointed a full Professor in the Kaiser's newest university). You're not wrong when you say Jews are wealthier than average, but it's a certain subset of Jews, and it's for material reasons.
>>736449 Ah, so this is where furries the came from.
>>736072 It's definitely not false to describe the behavior of nazis this way. You seem extremely confused, my dude. And you haven't answered how the fuck that has anything to do with projection. >inb4 the time for argument has passed
>>736437 >you hate whitey! I dont. I never said such a thing and if you looked at my posts you would clearly see this. >>736438 >describing reality is justifying it Ok retard.
>>735441 >Is this a good summation of anti-semitism? When it gets posted on 4chan all they do is call him a jew and make fun of how Satre looks. You're spot on. I've spent some years "debating" Holocaust deniers. And their M.O. is opposite day all day. Discussing a macro issue and they switch to a micro issue and vice versa. Their relation to basic metaphysical facts are instrumental. It's like some poor mental patient I read about that had the perfect juggling routine mapped out. It built on the premise that gravity could be totally suspended for a fraction of a second when the ball peaked. So he kept juggling along in hope of gravity suspending itself...
>>736732 >You're not wrong when you say Jews are wealthier than average, but it's a certain subset of Jews, and it's for material reasons. Yeah, late-arriving jews from eastern Europe had to start from the bottom in the US and just shlep it.
Yes. Bad arguments are a feature, not a bug of fascism. If you reject the idea of material reality, arguing for your position is child's play.
>>736686 This is /pol/ trying to be funny, but not realizing he's legitimately projecting his own insecurities.
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>>736388 not like entire books have been written on this
>>736451 >You're quite happy to do this to whitey though Nobody is doing the hate whitey bit here. This is a fucking anti-idpol board
>>736530 >Some people don't like "jewish" traits mask fucking off
>>736543 then how do you explain sephardi and mizrahi jews peacefully existing in the middle east for centuries? these people were even defended from crusaders
>>736530 All anti semite racists are mentally ill losers, and most likely homosexual. There's is no real reason to be a racist scumfuck, fuck off back to /pol/ you retard
>>736530 So this is supposed to be a better analysis? a superficial description of its symptoms? You need to go further than "antisemites are what they are because they dislike jews". The analysis of zizek explains the cause of such phenomena you described, each and every of them.
>>736732 This phenomena preceeds both wars and includes sephardic
>>736901 >I dont. I never said such a thing Weren't you the one blabbing about jews assimilating to muh "whiteness" one post prior? If not,apologies
>>736956 >Oh look someone wrote a book. That makes it true Idiot. Plenty of books about "muh jewishness". Do you buy into the racial narratives in those books?I suspect not.Hypocrite. >>736960 A world exists beyond leftypol and it's happening there. >>736964 Describing reality is not an endorsement retard
>>736968 >sephardi and mizrahi jews peacefully existing in the middle east for centuries An over simplification. However - jews in the mideast acquired relatively high status tax/civil/trading positions in the mideast as they did in Europe. The total ban on usury perhaps caused less problems in the islamic world with jewish minorities. Jews were favoured for their networking abilities especially in regards acquiring white slaves from eastern europe. I suspect another reason for less friction is a more similar mindset between jews and arabs/muslims generally at the time.
>>736981 Fragility? >pol reeeee pol pol pol reeeeeee >pol
>>737069 >each and every time I see.So the ancient greeks,for example,were just butt hurt losers projecting? Ok retard
NO, idiot, im talking about today's anti-semites.
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It's essentially the reason behind the "conservatism is the new punk rock" stuff and the "leftwing can't meme" because they *know* what they say are vacuous stuff. They don't care about crime-rates, they just hate uighurs. even if black people committed less crime per capita than anyone else, they'd still hate them, and so therefore any discussion about the subject is just to bully you and waste your time
>>737179 What about antisemites across 2500 years with similar complaints? Is that just coincidence? Jewish sectarianism and racism is a thing.See Israel for details
>>737263 >look at all the countries white people have been kicked out from
>>737155 the ancient greeks thought everybody was a savage but them, they're not a reliable source
>>737416 Can't think of any. A more suitable comparison would be jesuits who have been expelled numerous times. I suppose that's just anti-catholicism though right? Jesuits dindu nuthin bad -ever.
>>737495 >the ancient people were racist and didn't like these other racist people >one group continues to be accused of racism for centuries, the other does not >therefore let's just ignore those complaints and trust as reliable the rationalisations of the continually accused group Makes sense
>>737263 >settler colonialist state is racist the forefront of theory >muh 2500 years if you actually read grecoroman texts accusations of clannishness and refusal to assimilate were levied towards christians too lel this thread perfectly demonstrates how slimy the debate style of antisemites and other bigots is. first they try and make inroads by claiming that they're "trying to have a discussion" or "just asking questions". then they attempt to refute other people's arguments and explanations without putting forward one of their own (because they know how full of holes it is). then, if pushed enough, come the poltard-tier muh years of antisemitism, muh 109, muh jewish supremacy, etc. the length to which they attempt to conceal their own views is astounding, they can morph their arguments to any audience almost like a missionary of idpol retardation, as beautifully exemplified by that one faggot who decries radlibs making fun of whites (as if ashkenazim aren't included in their definition of white) one second then suggests it should be fair game to do the same to jews in the next. sartre could write an entire supplement to his book based on this thread alone.
>>737520 >can't think of any the indian subcontinent, south america, and africa don't real >jesuits <comparing a small secret society to an entire religion >>737516 >one group as we all know only jews have been accused of racism ever, and only they are still racist, and the greeks and italians are antiracist as hell
>>737552 >the indian subcontinent That's one >south america Nope >africa Nope >comparing a small secret society to an entire religion <comparing a small sectarian ethno-religious minority to a major religion or race >as we all know only jews have been accused of racism ever, and only they are still racist, and the greeks and italians are antiracist as hell strawman and point missed Similar accusations leveled against the same group of people for 2500 years by numerous other groups of people give's one pause for thought.
>>736925 >but not realizing he's legitimately projecting his own insecurities. About what exactly? My dick size?
>>735579 If that were true they wouldn't shill for Hitler and Himmler.
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>>741084 >If that were true they wouldn't shill for Hitler and Himmler.
>>737565 >comparing a small sectarian ethno-religious minority to a major religion or race Implying that millions of Jews are as interconnected, devoted, and motivated by a common goal like Jesuits are >Similar accusations Contradictory accusations have been floated throughout history, even in the same societies. Romans said Jews wanted nothing to do with any other peoples but at the same time there are records of anti-circumcision laws enacted to curtail Jewish proselytization. You can cherrypick any sort of narrative when Jews have been called capitalists and communists, sectarians and cosmopolitans.

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