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🚧🚧Please bookmark http://leftypol.org in case this current domain gets v&ed or anything else.🚧🚧 Visual Guide for New Anons https://bunkerchan.xyz/.media/e7c5eab9a4fa215d646e6c8aaee497ef-imagepng.png Do not put your e-mail in the e-mail field First, Please read this OP. Since we're leftists, there shouldn't be many differences ideologically, but our community has its own jargon and idiosyncrasies which might be jarring to outsiders. Second, although we allow slurs, we are anti-bigotry and it will not be tolerated. Thirdly, the board has an anti-idpol rule. Meaning that discussion of idpol topics is not allowed. There is some flexibility. Where that flexibility is also requires some time to get the feel of it. Fourthly, don't put anything in the name, or email fields. Don't doxx yourself Search the catalog before starting a new thread to avoid duplicates: https://bunkerchan.xyz/leftypol/catalog.html MOD LOG: If you wish to see the log of mod actions (ban, deletions etc...) see https://bunkerchan.xyz/logs.js?boardUri=leftypol Useful threads are often remade when expired, search the catalog if these links are broken. Questions That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread >>829118 Internet General >>731360 Original Creations (Memes) >>853632 Market Watch >>8552 USA Unrest >>801173 Belarus Unrest >>758383 Leftypol Minecraft server >>>/games/880 (IP: Bunkerchan.aternos.me it's cracked, so anyone can join without paying for minecraft) Region specific threads USA >>531727 China >>8925 British >>822942 DPRK >>9051 Brazil >>18835 Latina >>483387 Nordic >>818850 Hungarian >>117378 Russian >>652142 SEA >>705255 Italia >>747462 Germany >>698135 Australia >>537472 Leftybooru - To upload, tag, and organize images https://lefty.booru.org/index.php?page=post&s=list&tags=all Leftypedia - A wiki project https://leftypedia.org Streams of major news event (ie "happenings") + chat, maintained by the community https://cytu.be/r/bunkerchantemp new-multitude - Notes, theory and shitposts from the worldwide left via bunkerchan and elsewhere Website: https://medium.com/new-multitude Twitter: https://twitter.com/newmultitude The unofficial /leftypol/ chess club https://www.chess.com/club/leftypol >>>/games/3544 Check out our other boards >>>/anime/ >>>/edu/ >>>/hobby/ >>>/games/ >>>/tech/ As well as our comrades over at /GET/ >>>/GET/ (funposting) >>>/ref/ (international discussion) Previous archived thread filled with reading material: >>8537
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>How can you call yourselves leftist politically incorrect? /leftypol/ posters are allowed to voice opinions that offend liberals, SJWs, and so on. All sects on the left are allowed to post on /leftypol/, leading to plenty of fighting and shitflinging between leftists, which other forums might ban. However, this was only a minor consideration in the naming of /leftypol/. Since the concept is simply a leftist version of /pol/, the entire name of /pol/ was retained. >I'm not a leftist can I post here? Non-leftists can come here to ask questions. Board moderation here is more focused on maintaining a good board index, so non-leftists have to be on better behavior as OP than they do as participants in someone else's thread. If you aren't b8ing or shitposting, your thread is likely to stay up. >Are you liberals? Are you SJWs? Do you like Clinton? Are you all Zionists??? No liberals here. We hate the Democrat party. As for Israel, leftism is anti-Zionist. It is not anti-Jew. Unlike /pol/, /leftypol/ fully supports Palestinians, and doesn't think they're "mudslimes". Pretending to be an SJW or Zionist will very likely get you banned. >Why did you leave /pol/ and why does this board exist? /leftypol/ existed to help the 8chan community focus on leftist topics without being slid or flooded to death, and now has moved to Bunkerchan as constant alt-right chud murderers and Qanon boomers killed 8chan. >Do you support gun control? While posters on /leftypol/ have varying stances on gun control (training requirements, mental health checks, etc.), they are overwhelmingly in favor of arming the proletariat. >Do you support "national" socialism? No.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/index.htm https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1875/gotha/index.htm https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/wage-labour/index.htm ^^^Absolute beginner material^^^ More Marx and Engels: https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/sw/index.htm Lenin https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/ Other Selected Marxists https://www.marxists.org/archive/selected-marxists.htm Classical Works Recommended To High-Ranking Cadres https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/volume-8/mswv8_56.htm Many important books can be found on libgen: http://gen.lib.rus.ec/ Libcom has some good books/documents: https://libcom.org/library Other links: https://archive.is/L8uFD Various assortment of historical and biographical works. https://archive.org/search.php?query=uploader%3A%22kocotosi%40gmail.com%22&sort=-publicdate -------------------------------------- >During the last few years I've been saving and collecting thousands of pdfs and it's time to share them with you, especially since I've noticed that there are a lot of newfags joining the board recently. Some of these were actually uploaded years ago, but I had not shared them with anyone until now. I'd recommend that you don't skip any of them even if they're not your specific ideology because they all have lots of interesting stuff. If anyone has more links with pdfs, feel free to post them here. Enjoy! >The Leftist Bookshelf (4.16 GB, 600+ files) https://mega.nz/#F!QUFQSBja!hPbmmLolJBGwSQ848nncnw This was originally a torrent but I can't find the link anymore. Its description was: "640 eBooks, mostly in PDF format (a bunch are CHM, DJVU or ePUB), from a revolutionary Leftist viewpoint. The main subjects are politics and philosophy, history, economics, and much much more." >Political Theory (MLM) (2.64 GB, 550+ files) https://mega.nz/#F!4M1FnTgI!CdM8WWjpBC_UHGCJk9AHzA I found this on reddit years ago (circa 2016) Don't really remember who made it or where it came from, but this is a reading course (politics, philosophy, economics, etc) focused on Maoism. Has many books and articles on the USSR, PRC, Stalin, Mao, etc. >The Anarchist Library (669 MB, 4000+ files) https://mega.nz/#F!gRFkQCLY!5gUkmaubpp_P_yKLZiBJ9Q This is a complete mirror of the anarchist library with pdfs and epubs >Little Bunker of Marxism-Leninism (680 MB, 100+ files) https://mega.nz/#F!0QtCiI7L!MJZJk-SdjyBuBZOuNJuOPQ Unfinished project focused on M-L with more than 100 books on several topics like history, economics, politics, etc. Lots of stuff on the USSR. >Historical Materialism series (330 MB, 100+ files) https://mega.nz/#F!9IkymYBZ!B8vB2yDP0Qv_-DPS2ro-HA A pdf archive of over 100 books from the Historical Materialism book series. I got this from thecharnelhouse.org years ago and the website had released many marxist books from other publishers but unfortunately it's been taken down. >/leftypol/ with a slash of liberty (239 MB, 100+ files) https://mega.nz/#F!sFMQXJ6J!JboByVCZScC6Jq2YXE0Exw I didn't make this, just reuploading it. This is a classic /leftypol/ link, marxist stuff mixed with anarchism. >Marx & Engels Collected Works (900+ MB, 50 files) https://mega.nz/#F!BJEmkQiZ!vylIbCWFrqIeYaLiuN2szg The official, complete works of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels organized in 50 volumes and 3 categories. ----------------- Freudo-Marxist Reading List Freud https://mega.nz/#F!UbRFwAxJ!o4DbRUmJyENBRiug3QYF_A Lacan https://mega.nz/#F!9kpS3KTJ!7FiS5rl5rX8Z64BP4dhGww Zizek https://mega.nz/#F!ryphUQyb!cytASzODw-zpiMIZl4BSfA -------------- book troves from 4chan /his/ https://mega.nz/#F!dlZlDbqL!TXG5bGvWufONkrQAL7b7jA https://mega.nz/#F!HbBXzIjC!AjsOUnEGMpcQPrWQG_MdEQ ---------------- The old leftybooks torrent. magnet:?xt=urn:btih:ea25beb379477842994b284c8dabec7154b003de&dn=Leftybooks&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.leechers-paradise.org%3A6969&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.openbittorrent.com%3A80&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fopen.demonii.com%3A1337&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.coppersurfer.tk%3A6969&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fexodus.desync.com%3A6969
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>>668814 >pinning AND anchoring a thread very stalinist dialectical synthesis. needs more hegel.
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Inequality in general is so much worse than most people realize and there's plenty of information that proves it. So, where to start? The ultra-rich are hoarding as much as $32 trillion ($32,000,000,000,000) in offshore accounts to avoid taxes. (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-offshore-wealth-idUSBRE86L03U20120722 ) As a way to understand just how much 32 trillion is, let's use time as an example. One million seconds is 12 days, and one billion seconds is 31.7 years. That's already a massive difference between a million and a billion, but how much is 32 trillion seconds? It's over a million years. Most people know that wealth inequality is a huge issue, but they don't understand just how bad it is. Here's an example: If you had a job that paid you $2,000 an hour, and you worked full time (40 hours a week) with no vacations, and you somehow managed to save all of that money and not spend a single cent of it, you would still have to work more than 25,000 years until you had as much money as Jeff Bezos. I've been researching this issue for years because I was shocked at just how bad it really is, and I've put together some information to help illustrate it. IMF study on the concept of 'trickle-down economics' https://qz.com/429487/a-new-imf-study-debunks-trickle-down-economics/ Graphs: Possibly the most important graph ever: productivity is increasing but wages are stagnant, all the profit is going to the wealthy https://i.postimg.cc/Qtv9Sh1R/Screen-Shot-2013-03-08-at-11-36-19-AM.png Distribution of U.S. income https://i.postimg.cc/HLsykSTP/OSX-Ethics-08-04-Avg-Income.jpg Distribution of average U.S. income growth during expansions https://i.postimg.cc/Qdq7sLZT/qDWnA4s.jpg Income inequality in the U.S. compared to western Europe https://i.postimg.cc/XYW5TjmW/inequality.jpg Inequality is still an issue in Europe though, here's the distribution of German wealth https://i.postimg.cc/DZwSd504/screen-shot-2018-01-31-at-12-07-49-am.png U.S. economic mobility compared to other developed countries https://i.postimg.cc/j5DnzLwH/Relative-Social-Mobility-of-Wealthy-Nations-2-1024x639.jpg Taxes for the richest Americans have plummeted over the last 50 years https://gfycat.com/fakecandiddungbeetle Amazing info-graphic about U.S. economics over time https://i.redd.it/e8t78dn0d5h21.png In addition to all of that, there's another layer of inequality as well https://i.redd.it/e4uoe4w8z6r31.jpg Videos: A fantastic video that quickly illustrates wealth inequality in America https://youtu.be/QPKKQnijnsM How American CEOs got so rich https://youtu.be/ylLTMYt24lA What corporations want has more of an effect on U.S. law than what the public wants https://youtu.be/5tu32CCA_Ig The origins of conservatism https://youtu.be/E4CI2vk3ugk Neoliberalism explained https://youtu.be/7gQFvf19Jec Why inequality matters https://youtu.be/XLJl0AdhPjE Beware fellow plutocrats: pitchforks are coming https://youtu.be/q2gO4DKVpa8 Rich people don't create jobs https://youtu.be/CKCvf8E7V1g What the 1% don't want you to know https://youtu.be/QzQYA9Qjsi0 The Money Masters https://youtu.be/HBk5XV1ExoQ?t=22 Articles: Study shows it's better to be born dumb and rich than poor and smart https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/12/would-you-rather-be-born-smart-or-rich/281828/ Small farms are being consolidated up into big agriculture https://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2011/07/23/concentration-in-u-s-agriculture/ "Is curing patients a sustainable business model?" https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/11/goldman-asks-is-curing-patients-a-sustainable-business-model.html This scientific study concluded that banks can create money out of thin air https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1057521914001070 Being poor reduces your odds of being in a relationship https://www.bbc.com/news/business-40894089 Peasants had less work time than you http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/rauch/worktime/hours_workweek.html A few families in Canada own as much wealth as 3 provinces in Canada https://globalnews.ca/news/4360299/wealth-inequality-canada/
An OK discussion that was archived and somewhat cleaned up on the Labor Theory of Value, discussing against an absolute libertarian brainlet: >>638070
Imperialism Michael Parenti: Globalization, the "New" Imperialism https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnhYOvPvNEQ Michael Hudson: Resisting Empire https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xluStDQp9yE The Face of Imperialism-Michael Parenti- part 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKhRE61VE0E History is Marching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-S-CwVJxxug Fascism What is Fascism - Dr. Taimur Rahman Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Fe9PUFW0Uk&t Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXUOqnnVlnk Marxist Economic Theory and Beyond A Marxist response to Jordan Peterson (An introduction to Marxism and historical materialism) - Dr. Taimur Rahman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42eJu22scY8 Marxism 101: How Capitalism is Killing Itself with Dr. Richard Wolff https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P97r9Ci5Kg Crisis and Openings: Introduction to Marxism - Richard D Wolff https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9Whccunka4 Anti-Capitalist Chronicles: How Capitalism Works https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGmEUR3gDew Left Out: Michael Hudson on Junk Economics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6y35aO_fpU Empire and Economics: The Long History of Debt-Cancelation from Antiquity to Today https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4DkZ3CWFOk Dr. Michael Hudson: Economic Lessons for 2020 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nluLNA30e8k Kapitalism 101 Labor Theory of Value video series (and accompanying text) https://kapitalism101.wordpress.com/2010/04/28/law-of-value-introduction/ UMass Econ 305 Marxism lectures https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-w12bkm9g8o&list=PL8B2364D7C0D31D63 Reading list for the lectures can be found here: https://web.archive.org/web/20150319041344/http://courses.umass.edu/econ305b/Econ305ReadingList_for_VideoLectures.pdf Anwar M. Shaikh - Capitalism: Competition, Conflict and Crises, Parts 1 & 2 https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLB1uqxcCESK6B1juh_wnKoxftZCcqA1go The accompanying book is called Capitalism: Competition, Conflict and Crises by Anwar Shaikh and can be found on libgen Leftist Critique of Culture What are societies of control? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_i8_WuyqAY Hauntology, Lost Futures and 80s Nostalgia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSvUqhZcbVg Capitalism, Cultural Disintegration, and Buzzfeed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9srhgHzUFd4 The Emoji Movie, Adorno and the Culture Industry https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-m_7G31yh4 Capitalist Realism, Mental Illness and Societies of Control https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPeBEcsmWTY A Dying Culture https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jLbq9VwOK8 Identity Politics - Dr. Taimur Rahman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPdpHCYID3Q&t Intermediate Materials Going beyond money - Paul Cockshott https://youtu.be/cI01-5zhwdA https://youtu.be/kTl4b0w6mpk (This video is also good) Democracy or oligarchy (Parts 1&2) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHN0foV4Ntk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxSPirB9ePA Leadership and democracy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98lvNhNfse4 Practical adaption to climate change https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lepMdZuZiHo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8hnAB43O4g Modern communist principles https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgkWnODtS6g Socialist Strategy (Parts 1-4) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p23gG5lT0hU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tovsC3-Vdk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-oRmcYR5cM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1bGkgpYVao What Was The Soviet Union? ft. Richard Wolff - The Michael Brooks Show https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5E8wtXnhhj8 Philosophy Dr. Gregory B Sadler This is an exception from the theme of the list because his YouTube channel is mostly about philosophy in general. It's a really good channel to learn about a variety of philosophers. Core concepts in Philosophy playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4gvlOxpKKIjwnfPgqLkLJ7cHXAqDHfBA Half hour Hegel playlist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jgnp5Dy-v88&list=PL4gvlOxpKKIgR4OyOt31isknkVH2Kweq2
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does TOR work or not??
>>676559 You can now post with all tor nodes (unless they're range banned) but you can no longer post files through TOR (possibly, you might still can if you have a block bypass). We can't detect all Tor nodes. Those tor nodes are treated as normal IPs, since we can't detect them as Tor nodes.
>>676608 how do i get one of those?
>>677470 Click 'extra' in the quick reply box, and then click 'Make sure I have a block bypass' Or in the top of the page reply box, Click 'More', in the Misc section, click 'Bypass check'.
>>677470 Just renew circuit (ctrl+shift+l), and yes a block pass is needed now too: >>677828
>>677828 >>676608 what's "block bypass"? what does it do
>>678255 It lets you post with tor.
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There should be a permanent link to the /games/ minecraft general combined with a IP for the minecraft server to encourage building a minecraft community.
>>695202 Minecraft is shit though. How about we play an actually good game together?
>>695202 Could you link it, I'll add it. >>692909 >>692813 He's not talking about yogurts. Write niggger. All should become clear.
>>695231 >>>/games/880 IP: Bunkerchan.aternos.me
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if you ever feel like you're losing brain cells when browsing /leftypol/ it's because this place has mostly brats https://www.strawpoll.me/20611052
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>>698920 >anonymous internet poll Checks out.
>>698967 i think it's accurate enough, but i suppose someone like you will now screw it up on purpose since you have no life
>>698920 no wonder nobody here understands theory, they've barely been able to read for a decade
>>671815 Just copy pasted and slightly modified this video list, feel free to propose interesting ones that are not on the list.
>>698967 And only 21 votes. BAD DATA.
>>701622 that's half the userbase
>>702777 Actually the only ones here are you and bots.
>>699030 go sh*t urself
Whats a good history of the cultural revolution, the gang of 4 etc?
Any simple guides for worker organization? Preferably not super lengthy so they can be printed and handed out to workers on strike. The more pictures the better. Any language is good.
>>711814 >communist reading material on google docs Yeah, I might as well send a copy of my party card to the FBI and cut out the middle man. I bet those docs/links come from r/communism. Don't you know they're COINTELPRO? lol
>>711909 why aren't you using tor+vpn?
>>712033 Dunno. I have both of those things, maybe I should. I just don't care about space_ getting my IP. Pretty sure I could take him if he comes to my house to start some shit.
>>712033 Pretty sure you don't need a vpn for Tor if you use a bridged connection. Correct me if I'm wrong.
>>711909 The FBI does not give a fuck what you're reading. You got people on Reddit literally sharing child porn and they don't care
Hi questioning why this thread was locked? https://bunkerchan.xyz/leftypol/res/697419.html I am not the op nor have posted in it, but I'm literally reading Capital right now and it's useful to me.
>>717550 This isn't the thread for that, go here >>>/gulag/5320
>>714509 Depends what you're trying to protect against, bridge tor will let you get past half arsed TOR censorship, private bridge tor will let you get past most TOR censorship. Neither will protect you against targeted nation state surveillance that does network analysis and deep packet inspection but in that case the VPN isn't going to help either. As long as you connect via your home theres a risk you'll slip up or NSA will manage to pull off one of the low probability of success anonymity breaking attacks and find you. If you just want to hide your browsing from dragnet surveillance then TOR on its own is fine.
>>717550 >'m literally reading Capital right now and it's useful to me. You might want to check this thread too >>638070
>>717708 Dude you don't know what the fuck your talking about. Deep packet analysis doesn't decrypt traffic. Intelligence agencies monitor traffic at the exit and entrance nodes. I monitoring the timing they can sometimes get a good idea of who connecting to Tor, but very often they can't. People use VPN to hide the fact that they are using TOR at all because the Tor Node IP addresses and protocols are well known and they're often the only people on the network using Tor. Intelligence agencies especially foreign ones, cannot most likely de anonymize you if you use tor. There's already been leaks from Russia that show they're taking up huge projects to de anonymize Tor users, something they wouldn't be doing if it was so trivial to find out the identities of Tor users. As of now, Tor seems to be perfectly safe to use. There's been no cases were someone was found out on Tor that didn't side step Tor's protection in some way.
>>722035 fuck i'm an idiot i wanted to read the rules before posting and i accidentally replied to the rules thread LMAO
>>722036 It's fine, you can also delete your own post using the arrow on the right.
Modern Imperialism Imperialism in the Twenty-First Century: Globalization, Super-Exploitation, and Capitalism’s Final Crisis by John Smith <Winner of the first Paul A. Baran–Paul M. Sweezy Memorial Award for an original monograph concerned with the political economy of imperialism, John Smith’s Imperialism in the Twenty-First Century is a seminal examination of the relationship between the core capitalist countries and the rest of the world in the age of neoliberal globalization. Deploying a sophisticated Marxist methodology, Smith begins by tracing the production of certain iconic commodities—the T-shirt, the cup of coffee, and the iPhone—and demonstrates how these generate enormous outflows of money from the countries of the Global South to transnational corporations headquartered in the core capitalist nations of the Global North. From there, Smith draws on his empirical findings to powerfully theorize the current shape of imperialism. He argues that the core capitalist countries need no longer rely on military force and colonialism (although these still occur) but increasingly are able to extract profits from workers in the Global South through market mechanisms and, by aggressively favoring places with lower wages, the phenomenon of labor arbitrage. <Meticulously researched and forcefully argued, Imperialism in the Twenty-First Century is a major contribution to the theorization and critique of global capitalism. Review by Micheal Roberts : >John Smith’s book is a powerful and searing indictment of the exploitation of billions of people in what used to be called the Third World and is now called the ‘emerging’ or ‘developing’ economies by mainstream economics (and is called ‘the South’ by Smith). But the book is much, much more than that. After years of research including a PhD thesis, John has made an important and original contribution to our understanding of modern imperialism, both theoretically and empirically. In this sense, his Imperialism is a complement to Tony Norfield’s The City, reviewed previously in this blog – or should I say Tony’s is a complement to John Smith’s. While Tony Norfield’s book shows the development of finance capital in the modern imperialist countries and the dominance of the financial powers of ‘the North’ (US and UK etc), John Smith shows how it is the ‘super-exploitation’ of wage workers in the ‘South’ that is the foundation of modern imperialism in the 21st century. >The book starts with some examples of how wage workers in the South are ‘super-exploited’ with wages below the value of labour power (Bangladesh textile workers):“The starvation wages, death-trap factories, and fetid slums in Bangladesh are representative of the conditions endured by hundreds of millions of working people throughout the Global South, the source of surplus value sustaining profits and feeding unsustainable overconsumption in imperialist countries” (p10).. and how the surplus-value created by these super-exploited workers is captured by the trans-national corporations and transferred through the ‘value-chain’ to the profits of the imperialist countries of the North (Apple i-phones and Foxconn). “The only part of Apple’s profits that appear to originate in China are those resulting from the sale of its products in that country. As in the case of the T-shirt made in Bangladesh, so with the latest electronic gadget, the flow of wealth from Chinese and other low wage workers sustaining the profits and prosperity of Northern firms and nations is rendered invisible in economic data and in the brains of the economists.” (p22). >Smith points out that “about 80 percent of global trade (in terms of gross exports) is linked to the international production networks of TNCs.” UNCTAD estimates that “about 60 percent of global trade . . . consists of trade in intermediate goods and services that are incorporated at various stages in the production process of goods and services for final consumption.”(p50). Smith argues that outsourcing has been a conscious strategy of capitalists, a powerful weapon against union organization, repressing wages and intensifying exploitation of workers at home, and has led above all to a huge expansion in the employment of workers in low-wage countries… “A striking feature of contemporary globalization is that a very large and growing proportion of the workforce in many global value chains is now located in developing economies. In a phrase, the centre of gravity of much of the world’s industrial production has shifted from the North to the South of the global economy.”, as Smith quotes Gary Gereffi. Monopsony Capitalism: Power and Production in the Twilight of the Sweatshop Age by Ashok Kumar <This book explores the combination of capital's changing composition and labour's subjective agency to examine whether the waning days of the 'sweatshop' have indeed begun. Focused on the garment and footwear sectors, it introduces a universal logic that governs competition and reshapes the chain. By analysing workers' collective action at various sites of production, it observes how this internal logic plays out for labour who are testing the limits of the social order, stretching it until the seams show. By examining the most valorised parts of underdeveloped sectors, one can see where capital is going and how it is getting there. These findings contribute to ongoing efforts to establish workers' rights in sectors plagued by poverty and powerlessness, building fires and collapses. With this change and a capable labour movement, there's hope yet that workers may close the gap. Review by Micheal Roberts : https://thenextrecession.wordpress.com/2020/07/05/sweatshops-and-monopsony-power-a-review/ >Kumar is a lecturer in International Political Economy at the School of Business, Economics and Informatics at Birkbeck University. His book takes us to the heart of the monopsonic capitalism globally through the value chain of cheap garments and shoes in the shops of the ‘global north’ to the sweatshops of Bangladesh and other countries under the domination of the multi-nationals. >Monopsony Capitalism argues that the garment value chain globally relies on the unequal power dynamic of many suppliers and few buyers – monopsony. The result is a low level of surplus value capture at the production phase of the supply chain, which ensures chronically low capital investment in the peripheral countries’ industry. Cheap labour and many suppliers are preserved, as opposed to the use of machinery and fewer, larger companies. Fragmentation and low capital investment in garment and footwear value chains creates low barriers to entry, resulting in bidding wars between thousands of smaller firms from around the world. Indeed, a ‘sweatshop’ can be defined as a workplace where labour has essentially no bargaining power.
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what happened to the little cat fursona of different leftist tendencies
Did Pol Pot do anything wrong?
>>725346 he did everything wrong. He was not a Marxist, and had to be removed from power by Vietnam.
>>725346 >>726025 He's the only one who actually abolished capitalist relations of production.
>>725346 He did his best
The place for mod feedback and complaints is >>>/gulag/ not this thread.
>>726032 untrue, mao did that as well in some villages during the cultural revolution
Anybody can recommend a history book about late Soviet Union? I'm interested in the period from late Brezhnev to maybe early Gorbachev.
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Some more reading charts
>>735039 I will make magnets if this
>>735039 >no post-left >no pomos >no stirner Pretty shit reading lists desu
>>735254 Fell free to make one and post it here.
>>668788 isn't there an archive of posts in here? If not, having one would be essential, as some posts have been full of interesting discussion, such as that of the hacktivism poster
>>735254 >stirner get out of here with that nihilist faggotry
>>736403 >stirner >nihilist What the fuck did he mean by this
>>736534 Stirner is a key figure in past and present nihilist thinking, anon.
will I become a liberal if I read bookchin im kind of scared that I will
>>737708 This is quite silly to be scared of reading a book. However you should probably read your classics before (see >>668814) reading him.
>>668788 Could we maybe add the Italian one to the list or region specific threads? >>19862
>>738690 Seconded
>>737708 If you're that scared that reading one guy that disagrees with you will completely change your views then you need to work out the inconsistencies in your present worldview so you can strengthen it. If you have a strong and supported base for your views then reading conflicting ideas will simply help you understand the other side and yourself rather than convert you.
>>737708 bookchin is fucking retarded if you've read any actual marxist theory. I can see how he'd be interesting to absolute normies just now dipping their toe in the water, but man... he's so bad dude lol.
>>>/tech/3840 Greenify the deserts programme
What would be good intro books if I want some lit on leftist history / to understand the left? I was recommended Capitalist Realism, but I didn't like it. It used too much pop culture references and citations of dense philosophers I don't have time to read (Zizek, Baidou, etc.). I want to know why leftists are anti-capitalist and what their positions are (maybe including brief overview of the tendencies too, you all define socialism differently!).
>>744719 oof, that was a bad recommendation for what you want. There are some typically recommended essays, like Why Socialism by Einstein, The Soul of Man Under Socialism by Oscar Wilde, the Communist Manifesto by Marx. I'd also recommend the Sixth Declaration of the Lacandon Jungle, if you speak spanish, the october of 1912 speech of Emiliano Zapata. Longer reading I'd say the Conquest of Bread by Piotr Kropotkin is an interesting read. tl;dr capitalism sucks and we live in a post-scarcity society since the 1900s. All suffering related to scarcity on earth is optional and a choice we take collectively every day. If you want to understand how this happens, you'd need to go deeper into theory, Capital Vol 1 at least, and other things like Ideology and State Apparatus, by Althusser, probably some Zizek even if you don't like him or his ideas, he has interesting ideas. Why leftists in general are anti-capitalist, depends on the leftist. I think most leftist have an "anti-bootlicker" (or in /pol/ terms "anti-cuck") sentiment. They understand that society is organized so that proles contribute more to society than they get back. Many have a general distrust to authority. Honestly the "different tendencies" is kind of a meme. The general aims are similar and differences are irrelevant until one actually comes into power. The biggest difference is how people organize, MLs tend to stale party politics, anarchists tend to be too disorganized to do shit. Doing shit is the most important and hardest part.
What are some good sources on the history of modern police, especially in the US? I want to class pill some normies who are being disillusioned by the current historical moment.
>>744626 Fuck ecology and fuck precaution programme
>>746497 no, fuck you retard, if you want to kill yourself just do it, don't try to drag everyone else with you
>>745549 >There are some typically recommended essays, like Why Socialism by Einstein, The Soul of Man Under Socialism by Oscar Wilde, the Communist Manifesto by Marx. Thanks for the advice on these. A follow-up question is - what book is recommended for learning about class conflict / the different types of worker and capitalist class? Is there some Marxist work that focuses on this more? The notion of the middle class is really confusing to me, but I've heard Marxists addresses that too in terms of owning land or something? It'd be great if it weren't 500 pages but I'll take any recommendation.
>>750271 first that springs to mind is Erik Olin Wright, but he's what's called an "analytical" marxist (meaning his MO is reconstructing marxian concepts and arguments using the tools of analytical philosophy and mainstream/"bourgeois" social science as opposed to dialectics), which means a lot of people on here will shit on him on mere principle. That said, he seems to be arguably the most well-regarded of the bunch from my own layman perspective
>>750271 I don't know if this will answer your questions but you can watch these Paul Cockshott videos on the different types of labour: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVDkFMGxbX8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDIIQG7DjqE
>>750271 In my opinion, although I'm not that big brained or well read, trying to understand marxism and class conflict primarily by slicing society into many strata rather than the two main ones (bourg vs prole) is a red herring or a route that won't take you far. I understand marxism better by understanding the opposition not between the working class and the bourgeoisie, but the working class against capital. That clears up a lot of confusion. For this, I'd recommend "reading capital politically" (just skip the introduction chapter). You should also read wage labor and capital, and value price and profit first though. Some leftist feel resentment towards anyone who is richer than them (even if marginal). This is seen in middle class or people of college hate. And some hate poorer people, which they call lumpen. It's all retarded. Ignore these people.
>>751388 There are a few problems with this, first you have to understand the class interest of the different strata's the labour aristocracy will not necessarily show solidarity with the workers even though they are technically in the same class, there will be reactionary labour aristocrats that are social climbers that will try to sell out the workers movement, it's very important to explain this detail. Further more the class struggle is between workers and the capitalist class not capital itself, because that would be nonsensical since capital is inanimate objects. >Some leftist feel resentment towards anyone who is richer than them (even if marginal). That is a right wing talking point, thanks for outing yourself. The "рмс" labour aristocrats get a bad rap because they have betrayed working class movements more than once, because of careerist ambitions, again you have to understand this as limitation, be careful while organising, to avoid having a majority of these people impose their personal interests on your movement, because the careerists will stop at nothing to kick out workers and burn the political credibility of your movement for personal gain. >And some hate poorer people, which they call lumpen. To be fair here you have to point out that there's a legitimate aspect here lumpens don't hold strategical positions in production like workers, so there's limits to what lumpen can achieve, this is not born from hatred it's a strategical consideration.
>>474515 >>474634 >Arguments for Socialism (Cockshott) is on /leftypol/, but not libgen SOMEONE NEEDS TO UPLOAD THIS TO LIBGEN, IT'S A GEM FOR PROSELYTIZING TO NORMIES! https://libgen.is/search.php?req=cockshott+arguments+for+socialism TANS only works for proselytizing to spergy neolib-LARPers who have no problem biting straight into academic social science already!
>>752275 But aren't all Cockshott's writings free on his website?
>>752520 WTF you're right. http://paulcockshott.co.uk/media/books/argumentsasreleased.pdf Having it where most people will be looking is probably a good idea though. Also >Not using https for your website
>>751852 > it's very important to explain this detail. It's really not. There are reactionaries in every level of society. It's not a specifically useful piece of information. There are bigger threats to the integrity of leftist orgs than what you personally call "labor aristocracy". >because that would be nonsensical since capital is inanimate objects. that's your opinion, and a wrong one at that. I insist it is an inferior view. It doesn't account for a large part of the imposition of capital. >That is a right wing talking point fuck off. There's many "you can't be a socialist if you aren't dirt poor". If you don't understand why this is wrong, you are a brainlet. >lumpens don't hold strategical positions in production like workers, again, your opinion. I've organized with "lumpen" just fine. This isn't a thread to discuss so I won't respond to whatever you respond.
>>752718 >>Not using https for your website At first I was gonna say something about him being an old man, but then I remembered that his whole thing is computer science, which just makes it worse.
bunkerchan should have an anime board.
>>754457 We do, it just not at the top >>>anime
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>>754009 Computer Scientists don't necessarily know about cybersecurity, especially one that is an old man. I'll listen to him about COBOL, not about pen testing.
>>756685 >not about pen testing Do you think he skipped those classes just because the puns and innuendos would've been enough to derail the entire semester?
Holy shit >>>/anime/ has been added to the panel! how many weeks/months was it postponed? It was hilariously long. I legit worried about Space_'s well-being a couple of times
>>757033 He apparently had no personal computer for the past few months since his laptop died. He just bought a new desktop so logically this shouldn't happen again.
>>757094 I bet it will though.
>>757029 You realize pen testing is relatively new right? A boomer isnt going to know much about haxing if they're CS. Source: pen tester
>>757480 > It's actually not, it started 'for real' around the 60s You're comparing apples to oranges. As a field where you can go to school to be a pen tester it's about 10-21 years old > Since 1999, CAE-CD colleges and universities have educated our nation's cyber first responders. The initial schools were expensive and non CC
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>>752718 >Not using https for your website Even worse, theres a certificate installed for the domain but its a certificate for a completely different domain so if you do force it to HTTPS it just gives you a security error.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRXvQuE9xO4 Is his analysis in this correct?
>>761213 Yes, this >>762786 is just ML cope (see overall time of the two clips in response) with the fact that they diverged substantially (especially Stalin) from classical/orthodox writings of Marx, Engels and Marxists.
I've been using leftypol so frequently that I just got a "deja-vu"-like feeling of being in bunker society within a literal bunker.
>>761213 >>762786 >>762794 >Is his analysis in this correct? Marx was a "tanky-light" he did think that it was possible to transition to socialism via the state nationalising industry as intermediate step, but only for the most advanced countries, so while Marx probably didn't think that something like the Soviet Union was possible, he did think that it was possible to use the state as a tool for the proletariat. You could say that Marx was a conditional statist. But the discussion is moot now, there's plenty historical examples of state socialism, so you can't say that it doesn't work.
>>762794 I mean he's litterally taking out of context quotes from critique of the gotha program. Also if a discussion could be made on Marx, I don't think the same could be said for Engels that expresses his views much more clearly. Anyway the discussion is moot since >>764342 is right.
>>764680 I think he would probably beat out the other GOP idiots, so in that sense you are right that he has a solid shot. The democrat probably isn't going to be able to take down Carlson. Obama was literally the most charismatic democrat since Clinton. Every other major Democratic politician in the last 20 years has looked like a fucking idiot.
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Found out that Marx Reloaded is on Youtube, a documentary film I always wanted to watch but never could find: https://youtu.be/o1ZVv0I7DH8
>>765182 Nice, I was looking for this for quite a while as well. Well done.
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recommend me socialist poetry
>>768604 start with Brecht
I am here because I want to be a part of something
>>768604 Ernst Toller, the swallow book Or you could always read Ho Chi Minh poems:^).
>>768739 No you don't
>>768739 nobody in here does anything, just wastes their whole day shitposting and defending china's imperialism
>>769427 Speak for yourself. I spend around 10 hours a week doing organizing work.
>>768604 Front Rouge by Louis Aragon: Pliez les réverbères comme des fétus de pailles Faites valser les kiosques les bancs les fontaines Wallace Descendez les flics Camarades descendez les flics Plus loin plus loin vers l’ouest où dorment les enfants riches et les putains de première classe Dépasse la Madeleine Prolétariat Que ta fureur balaye l’Élysée Tu as bien droit au Bois de Boulogne en semaine Un jour tu feras sauter l’Arc de triomphe Prolétariat connais ta force connais ta force et déchaîne-la II prépare son jour il attend son heure sa minute la seconde où le coup porté sera mortel et la balle à ce point sûre que tous les médecins social-fascistes Penchés sur le corps de la victime Auront beau promener leur doigts chercheurs sous la chemise de dentelle ausculter avec les appareils de précision son cœur déjà pourrissant ils ne trouveront pas le remède habituel et tomberont aux mains des émeutiers qui les colleront au mur Feu sur Léon Blum Feu sur Boncour Frossard Déat Feu sur les ours savants de la social-démocratie Feu feu j’entends passer la mort qui se jette sur Garchery Feu vous dis-je Sous la conduite du parti communiste SFIC Vous attendez le feu sous la gâchette Que ce ne soit plus moi qui vous crie Feu Mais Lénine Le Lénine du juste moment
>>769071 https://www.literatisch.de/ernst-toller-das-schwalbenbuch.html It's in german, but you can always use the traduction that google gives:^)
>>770294 based, what do you do specifically comrade?
>>76518 surprisingly high quality documentary
>>771627 I'm secretary of communications (so, organize propaganda, social media, etc), plus I lead a reading group, and do base work, like going to places where people are protesting.
>>772488 more like based work
>>769427 >china's imperialism such as?...
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>>775672 >Vietnamese nationalism disregarding Chinese control of the sea since the period of Sun Yat-Sen >Inane ramblings about the silk road being an imperialist ploy >Colonization of the barren shithole that is siberia >Encroachment of Nepal Are you talking about Mao claiming Nepal as Chinese land? Deng ended that. >claims that the coronavirus was made in a wuhan lab and not pangolin >conflict with India noooo not the imperialist hindu nationalisterinos Vietnamese faggot t. Newari Wumao
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>>775672 The defence minister speech is a Hoax, that originated from "the Epoch Times" newspaper, which is published by fringe sect called Falun Gong, they are bit like Scientology except they are bit worse.
>>775774 I figured the Epoch Times were just another Enquirer except crazier, had no idea they were backed by a weird religious group. A quick Google search says it's "unofficial" but that seems.. dubious since most of it's employees are members of the group. Interesting. I kept getting YouTube ads for them for a while. The best one was an ad where they had faked "footage" of the Chinese Communist Party breaking in and setting their copier (or something?) on fire? It was really weird.
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>>775672 >Biologically attacking the world and trying to destroy evidence and silence researchers
sports board when!!
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>>778982 Professional sports are bourgeois. Read Qaddafi. If we want an athletics board, it should be a mix of /out/, /fit/, and possibly proletarian sports. Any sport involving a ball is bourgeois. Any sport involving a stadium is bourgeois. Any sport involving specialized equipment is bourgeois. Esports and golf are the height of bourgeois sports, as both gamers and people who use hundreds of acres of land for meaningless garbage are bourgeois.
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>>779395 is bodybuilding ok
>>779482 As long as you don't enter queer posing contests yes.
>>779395 Stfu nerd, the largest coops will pay for the best players while lottery draft will help small clubs
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>>779395 >Any sport involving a ball is bourgeois Can you explain the logic behind this ?
>>780033 never
>>781382 >Paul Cockshott who was once beloved in the former is a pariah on this board schizopost go to meta: >>>/gualg/
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can anyone recommend something for materialism as a philosophy?
>>782447 Engels: Ludwig Fuerbach Darwin: The Origins of the Species. Plekanov: The Materialist Conception of History Lenin: Materialism and Empiro-Criticism Kautsky: Origins of Christianity Turing: Can a Machine Think Althusser:Lenin and Philosophy Dennet: Consciousness Explained Dennet: Darwin’s Dangerous Idea
Finally I've managed to download this file from a totally broken indonesian university website, which appears to be also the only source. Well here it is, this document is the most important work to understand Nasakom, the ideology which was founded by Sukarno!
>>780033 NTA, but I'll give it a shot: In games with a ball, possession of that ball is the most important part of the game. So the game becomes a fight over who controls the ball, rather than a competition between people. I think he was joking, because football is undeniably proletarian, historically and by virtue of it being played/enjoyed by predominantly working class people. Unlike sports like golf or fencing, for example.
>>668788 Hello, r/socialism here
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Created a new /leftypol/ reading list for beginners
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>>793429 Actually this one's better, fixed top row.
>>793433 It is very un-socialist to criticize work without putting the work myself to make the change. It is very well done and I commend you on doing it. I don't have the skill to do it myself. That said, here is my criticism: - A lot of these books are massively long. I know it's a meme at this point to recommend long ass books to beginners, and to "start with the greeks", but in this case, it is not constructive or comradely. >On Socialism: Remove Marx-Engels reader and replace with mutual aid, or conquest of bread. No clue about "the communist horizon". From reading the reviews, I don't think it's too relevant as a beginner book. I'd replace it with "socialism, utopian and scientific" >On Political Economy: I can't say much about most books. At least the first one and the last one are very long, and not good recommendations for beginners. Marx's book is the only good recommendation there. I'd add mandel's books, and harry cleaver's reading capital politically. I'd also add "debunking economics" by keen. Maybe add "j is for junk economics" by hudson. >On Political theory: I can't really say much about these. I don't get why these are relevant. I'd think some secondary lit from peeps like JS Mill or Proudhon might be better. Also, change "the ego and it's own" edition for "the unique and it's property" one. >On history: I'd add blackshirts and reds by parenti. >On cultural theory instead of a picture of zizek, add this book: The Symbolic, the Sublime, and Slavoj Žižek’s Theory of Film
>>782637 >>782447 Philosophy of the Encounter by Althusser The German Ideology by Marx
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>>793429 >>793433 >Aristotle >Not even a book by Aristotle, just a reflection by someone else >Machiavelli >Contemporary New York Times Bestsellers tier books Well it's not reddit but at this point it might as well be.
>>793446 Reason I choose Marx engels reader is because it encompasses a lot of their work, otherwise most of it would have been recommendations for marx/engels. While some of the books are pretty long, all the ones that are long are very easy to read through and not dense. As for zizek, I think his essays online are better for beginners. >>793448 I thought that was just the book by Aristotle, it doesnt have any other names on it
>>793449 You want Politics-Aristotle. Not "The politics of Aristotle." Also what the fuck does Aristotle have to do with leftism.
>>793648 I double checked, it is the politics by Aristotle even tho it says of. 1, Aristotle provides lots of background stuff for marx's thought as well as for democracy. But also, it's an important starting point for anyone who wants to understand political theory more generally.
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>>793433 Due to complaints on twitter, I've created a follow up reading list for Advanced Theory
>>794888 >Don't read Capital! This is bait right?
>>795839 That's the manga version lol
>>795852 The other 2 are serious tho
>>795861 Oh wait I see it now. Why da fug did you put it in the corner damn nigga do you even know how to format a reading list
>>794888 >anti-oedipus into the trash it goes
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>>793446 I'm just going to add here, that a lot of these books aren't beginners level. I'd add geopolitics Section >The Divide- Jason Hickel. >The Shock Doctrine- Naomi Klein >Globalization and its Discontents- Joseph Stiglitz
>>797596 >Missing the 21st century ML
What is the ideal book to deprogram someone who has just had their brain filled with spooks after reading Settlers?
>>797981 When you need to bust spooks...
>>797988 Philosophy is a little esoteric for many people.
>>797991 >>797981 Just make them watch some zizek clips or something. Or maybe an Adolph Reed book.
>>798056 Good suggestion, Class Notes maybe?
Mods seem to be asleep, /pol/ is raiding the riot thread >>801173 with trolling and spam
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>>806249 >>806249 Shut the fuck up and READ you dumb uighur. Fascism is not "class collaboration" or "when da police are mean to minorities :(" it is a violent means for the bourgeoisie to exterminate the socialist Left when the relevant country is in danger of having capitalism overthrown. >B-b-but BLM is getting donations from corporations Yeah and democrats and republicans get way more donations and lobbyist money DOES THAT MAKE THEM FASCIST YOU DUMB FUCK? EVERYONE who is influential gets bribed under capitalism, from union managers to doctors to politicians, are all these groups also fascist now simply because they get a paycheck from private companies? >MUH WHITE PEOPLE UNDER THREAT Congratz for allowing these companies to control your mind by thinking in terms of race instead of class. When black people hate white people and when white people hate black people no one questions the porky sitting at the top. >THE MASKS It was the trumptards who started the protests against masks since it was supposedly some soros conspiracy even though literally every Asian country automatically enforced mask wearing since they've dealt with pandemics before and know it's the smart thing to do. Your countrymen being retarded is your own fault because your society emphasized "muh individual rights" so much. 1/2
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>>806485 Yes because this meme is years old from the original 8ch. Here's a link to the study on privatization "Against the Mainstream". The graphs come from Wages of Destruction and Capital in the 21st Centuy which are too large to post on here due to file limits, but easily available on pirate bay. The books I posted cited themselves except for >>806490 which comes from "Fascism and Big Business". Literally everything on here is easily found stop making excuses for your laziness and complete illiteracy.
>>806508 You're straight up lying and deflecting because you can't contest the facts. I am an oldfag who has been on here since the original site on 8ch. No one fucking says that fascism is when police are mean or that the DNC or RNC are fascist. In fact, THAT VERY IMAGE MACRO I SHOWED YOU is /leftypol/ OC meaning that if you have REALLY been lurking for years you would have recognized it instantly. The standard definition of Fascism from a Marxist perspective doesn't even come from /leftypol/, it comes from FUCKING TROTSKY BACK IN THE 20TH CENTURY. https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/works/1944/1944-fas.htm >I don't really pay attention to this type of shit. I only vaguely know about it because shit like this I know eats liberals niggas up inside. Trump niggas live rent free in yalls head. uighurs leave rent free in yours. Imagine being such a lying faggot that you try to pin the blame on not wearing masks on random black people when all the conspiracies surrounding mask usage came from MAGAtards. Not to mention that LIBERALISM IS NOT MARXISM YOU DUMB FUCK. How can you have "lurked for years" and not seen the relentless hatred of liberalism on this board? This is what happens when you get your "education" from youtube and twitter. >>806535 Goodbye and never come back. I hate wasting my time with illiterates who ignore evidence just because it feels good. Hopefully the mods will ban you as well when they get up. No /pol/tard ever engages in good faith they just say shitty one-liners as "arguments" and back the fuck off when they get BTFO with actual analysis.
>>806550 >Goodbye >Not badbye.
>>806649 Judging by the fact that you said leftypol and not /leftypol/, another decade, until then you do not have the right to speak, be quiet while the adults are talking.
>>806598 >Strawpoll Why so you can get your /pol/tard buddies to spam it to claim "victory"? Ex. the last major strawpoll we did on ethnicity back on 8ch was brigaded by /pol/ into generating like 100 extra jews that didn't exist. Another strawpoll on religion was spammed by Stirnerites pretending to be Christian to be funny. Using easily manipulated shit like strawpolls is retarded. If you have been on /leftypol/ for any amount of time you would know that no one thinks the DNC or RNC is fascist and in fact the only people who say this shit are refugees from Reddit or Twitter, aka not natives or regulars of this board. >The n-word Yeah as if we need any more confirmation that you're a fucking liar. Everyone has been using n*gger for years and it has only been filtered recently, most likely due to Reddit infestation of the mod team. And you act fucking surprised when people swear as if it has ever been uncommon. MORE PROOF OF YOU FUCKING LYING. >MASKS Holy shit way to miss the point. You are citing your personal experience of a handful of hooligans not wearing masks as evidence for black people being awful WHILE IGNORING YOUR OWN """"SIDE"""" when they DO THE EXACT SAME AND ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO THE EXACT SAME. THIS IS WHAT IS MEANT WHEN I SAY YOU ARE A DISINGENUOUS FAGGOT. What the fuck was the point of telling your workplace story if not to paint black people in a bad light, to point at them and say "LOL LOOK AT THESE RETARDS NOT WEARING MASKS". Meanwhile we got MAGAtards openly holding in-person rallies and getting everyone infected and you don't care because it doesn't fit your narrative of "omg the darkies suck". >Specially when it comes to petty things like what are conservative white people up to now, so was it really so wrong for me to type yall? Name ONE thing. No one on this board fucking voted for Hillary and no one will vote for Biden either. Back in 2016 there was even an accelerationist minority that wanted Trump in simply to hasten the demise of the American empire. We don't vote for the establishment, we don't assist the establishment, and Bernie has been repeatedly attacked for his imperialist stances and the old BO eventually started outright banning them. Open up the flag menu. DID YOU NOTICE THAT "DEMOCRAP" IS STILL THERE? The only overlap that exists is an imaginary one that lurks in your retarded youtube-fried wisp of a brain. >All I did was ask a question, what do you mean bad faith. No you made a bunch of assertions, refused to back them up, abandoned the arguments when you realize you were in over your head and had no evidence, and are now choosing and selecting irrelevant stuff (WHYY DO U GUIZ SAY THE N WORD????!!!) to avoid any actual discussion. You don't put any effort in your posts, you're not even good at lying, and you don't bother to go look at evidence that blows up your assumptions because you would rather go lock yourself in a twitter echo chamber with fellow retards. >IF YOU'RE NOT FROM AMERICA YOU CAN'T COMMENT <Arguments found: none My country is flat out better to live in than yours using Inequality-Adjusted HDI. But even if I had actually been living in some random third world civil-war torn shithole it's not like you being American makes any difference since you're so blatantly retarded that you thought that country of origin is a valid argument. You can't even argue properly and yet you think you're smart enough to have "figured it out". kys
Unlock the abelist thread, I need to finish destroying this 'marxist'.
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we need banners that reflect modern times, too much 20th century nostalgia atm
>>811619 we should have banner of the riots, but without black lives matter slogan explicitly. /leftypol/ s various ideologies and culture are very different from the BLM's even though we support their actions. A /leftypol/ banner would preferably focus on those actions exclusively.
>>811678 nice try /pol/. you have the fucking pope, a hillary clinton banner, a deus ex, the ira, and a gay man in latex as banners, don't give me that bullshit about this board not being compatible with black social & economic justice and fighting US cops & national guard
>when /leftypol/ refuses to support blm protestors because they haven't read all 3 volumes of das kapital in the original german perfectly encapsulates the white "left"
>>811709 >>811735 You can support the protestors without adopting their ideology. The hillary clinton banner is ironic.
>>811735 NGL, these protests have made me look at some leftists a bit differently. Brings the Yellow Vest protests to my mind. Even though they were far better organized, it still wasn't enough for some people because they didn't start Paris Commune 2.0 and sing internationale.
>>811876 They were not far better organized, there were instances of fights between antifascists and fascists inside the protests, antifascists won most of the time and eventually purged the far right. Probably a thing our stupidpoler would be mad about now I think about it. But I get what you mean and you're right.
https://boards.4channel.org/wsr/thread/878446#p879248 I cannot post threads, but only reply Ios firefox
I want to learn how to be a good reader, writer and thinker. Help pls
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>>813707 I made this :)
>>811896 I mean sure, there were far-right elements, but the yellow vests organized councils with clear demands and economic blockades that dif billions in damage IIRC.
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>>814163 >race-poltics >sex-politics absolutely not class analysis
Where is the mod log? I have been noticing that some of my posts seem to "randomly" disappear.
>>819478 This could be the board software fucking up. We don't randomly delete posts
>>819514 >We don't randomly delete posts There's absolutely no way for you to prove this. The mod log shows post number only. I don't know about other anons but I certainly can't remember the number and content of every post I've made.
>>819514 Unsticky your thread here >>812422 that's cluttering the front page and just put the new link in the board announcement thing
Why was >>829867 bumplocked?
>>830268 >Multiple answers have been provided and it looks like the op only wanted to stir shit up between the users by making a crypto pro-neet thread, plus it has devolved into shitflinging now, anchoring
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I clicked something on my phone (I guess it was "filter name") by accident and now I can't see the content of threads - zero posts, no title, null, nada, nothin. How to fix this?
>>830707 >anchored for shitflinging why isn't every thread anchored ?
>>831074 Perhaps you filtered posts by "Anonymous" somehow. Normally you could clear it through the board settings tab, but I can't seem to access that on my phone, only through desktop. Maybe try clearing cache/cookies.
>>831074 clear your cookies for this site and it will reset whatever you did
>>831074 >>831203 you can test it in private mode or whatever it's called
>>668788 >🚧🚧Please bookmark http://leftypol.org in case this current domain gets v&ed or anything else.🚧🚧 leftypol.org just redirects to bunkerchan.xyz. If this site goes down, so does leftypol.org you idiots... And https isn't configured correctly for leftypol.org so https://leftypol.org and https://www.leftypol.org don't work. For people who spent their lives on imageboards/internet you sure don't know much about how any of it works...
>>831101 cause you're not in every thread >>831948 Yes, obviously. The point is that GETchan.net is no longer reliable as a backup, we don't have a backup at the present time so there will be one made at the leftypol.org domain.
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Am I a retard for getting sucked back into /pol/ type stuff? I haven't read leftist theory (dunno where to begin) also I can't figure out where Isreal fits into your guys world view whereas the right seems to have an explanation, its all ironic considering I'd be gassed in a far right nation still I think I prefer a moderately homogeneous nation to chaos
>>831988 >so there will be one made at the leftypol.org domain If it's a backup board, just throw vichan or something on it, doesn't have to be pretty, just functional. If this site goes down today, everyone would just go to GETchan.net because despite the domain, there is no alternative site.
>>832071 You must have not been here long. Only the right (at least all burger mainstream politics) want to defend Israel at all costs. We want it destroyed, but we also want Islamic zealots to fuck off as well...including places like Saudi Arabia.
>>832194 Well I know there is a difference between the right (conservatives like Trump) and fascists like white nationalists. Maybe I'm more left leaning then I think but I do consume and watch a few /pol/ youtubers
>>832071 No, you are just isolated and lonely in this late capitalist world and the technological progress we have achieved just inflates this feeling. Many young people get sucked into or "back into" because of this. But the "solutions" the fascists offer are no solutions. They are easy cop-outs, just in a radicalized form. It's the "tradition" meme. The tradition won't save us, living modestly won't save us and killing the juice, blacks, etc. won't definitely help anyone. You don't have to be theorylet reading 500 pages a day. It's just a meme and ML cope. You can start by watching some leftist ecelebs and do whatever makes you feel good. The most important thing is to keep your mental health in a good shape, so you won't be manipulated and dragged into dark intellectual alleys that lead only to doom and failure. They lead to cult of death (and you can see that fascism and neo-liberal capitalism is the same face - by that I mean - they both embrace the cult of death). The fact is that even simple masses in Russia or China has understood the logic of communism and socialist principles that lead to liberation. So you don't have to be a theorylet, it's just a bonus meme. The problem arises today where there is more information and more propaganda, so you can get sucked into dumb shit. It benefits capitalist system that people are divided and get baited into some dumb shit like "its the jews!111", "its the foooking LGBT illuminati", "its the fooking bluckz and mexigunz that ruin everything" (In Europe they fearmonger with "refugees"). Also I would say even some milquetoast leftist hate Israel with passion, but not because of dumb meme reasons like "THE JEWS ARE CONTROLING MUH WURLD" - the reason is that they made proto-fascist nationalist country that runs their shitty fearmongering agenda while opressing their own people.
>>831948 >leftypol.org just redirects to bunkerchan.xyz. If this site goes down, so does leftypol.org you idiots... >For people who spent their lives on imageboards/internet you sure don't know much about how any of it works... facepalm. the point is we have another domain to use. since there's currently no use for it, it just redirects here - which is just one config line that is trivial to change when needed, so that it will instead load the backup site. for a smartass you sure don't know much about how any of it works...
>>831948 Hey look, I'm anon 831948, I'm smug and I actually don't know what I'm talking about
>>832532 Thanks for a good response anon, I'll think what you've said over in my head, umm do you know any decent leftist ecelebs I should watch to counterbalance the stuff I already watch
>>834783 You'll have to find what works for you but I like Luna Oi because she is very good at breaking Marxism down to its elementary basics. And it's funny because it's very uwuuuu and cutesey but also kind of brutal matter-of-fact way that Asian communists are particularly good at doing, like "and then we stole weapons to arm people and destroy our enemies." https://youtu.be/neI-ol2AowM
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>🚧🚧Please bookmark http://leftypol.org in case this current domain gets v&ed or anything else.🚧🚧 It would be nice if the admins finally got their shit together and configured an onion site as they said they would which would be completely immune to domain name seizure and more private. The majority of altchans which are worried about losing their domain have set one up as a backup.
>>835772 Shit, Malcolm X is metal.
>>835772 I tried to understand what this post says but it's Jibberish. There is no mentioning of material conditions, but instead its entirely racist essentialism. >This is why the Nazis were not totally wrong when they called Bolshevism a Jewish philosophy Aside from agreeing with Nazis (wtf?), you are also trying to force Marxism into your racist framework, it's a materialist philosophy and that's it. >So Chinese could be the "Jews" of Asia, but on the mainland itself they were like Asia's "blacks" to be colonized This is your brain on trying to understand the world through a racist lense >until Chinese Malcolm X (Mao) came along this bit is even worse because it also got temporal denial, If anything Malcolm X aspired to be an American Mao.
>>835713 Only space can do it and I have been bugging him about ti for months.
Post the torrent with the leftybooru images
>>839288 Fair enough, thank you for continuing to push for this.
Hey, I've got a question: I remember seeing a thread here full of music videos or videos, does anyone know if it is still here?
>>844192 The webm thread? If so >>618486
>>>/leftypol/844136 Explanation for bumplock plz ty
>>844199 yes perfect, thank you
>>844213 It'll be idpol, I guarantee it.
>>844214 No problem friend.
>>844213 Read the op first line. This isn't gulag.
>>844220 Soz ty
cool but how do i change the theme
>>845926 its in the OP
>>845952 oh, cool i didnt' see the button because i had JS disabled. i feel dumb
Can we word filter faggot? I'm not homosexual and I sometimes type faggot on here, but I wish I never picked up the habit from image boards. I like the concept of no usernames/identities(although mods get the regular message board experience of post history) but I hate "image board culture."
>>848992 faggot
>>848992 "Faggot" -> "People of Wood Bundles" (PoWB)
>>848992 It's just a word dude lmfaooooo
>>848992 This is meta shit. Go to >>>/gulag/
>>835713 >onion site >ban most of Tor pick one
>>850406 Torvhasbt been banned for months now. Posting over an onion right now.
>>850511 What onion? There are a couple of quasi-range bans that ban huge chunks of Tor on /leftypol/. Often it takes a dozen of new circuits to find an exit node that isn't banned.
>>849941 >its just a word nooo And it's offensive. Step outside of your basement and connect with people, loser. Because you saying "its just a word" easily shows that you are an antisocial incel shut in with no social skills
Back to reddit you go.
>>850550 sorry I ment an exit node. At this point I have more viable connections than not. I get 75% viable exit node connections and 25% not, I would say.
>>853415 It deppends on the context. I am a homosexual and if some one is calling me a faggot in a derogetory way that's one thing but just saying something does not hold negative cannotations any way you slice it up to and including uighur. It's how it's said that negative meaning arises not inherently that it is the word itself. That's how I feel about it. Saying "Fuck you homo/darkie get to the back of the buss" is way different that says "Damn that shit was gay." You black and white approach to understanding the world is the real childish tell here, though.
-fag is an affix for 'person' on imageboards it is an entirely neutral term in fact if you wanted to specify gay people you would have to say 'homofags' people aught to be happy that imageboard culture has so thoroughly coopted and disarmed this term into a harmless element of syntax Its a useful linguistical construct as well! It lets you turn any word into something referring people who like/use/are of that word. Xfag effectively means "people of X".
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>>668788 Sorry for tardation, I'm a social sciences fag and not great with computers. How do I bookmark the domain properly? When I clcik it just takes me to the homepage (bunkerchan.xyz). Should I bookmark it anyway? Will the browser "know" to use the new domain? I am so confuse
>>854913 No, comrade. Bookmark both bunkerchan.xyz and leftypol.org. leftypol is going to become it's own imageboard backup site.
>>854913 You can edit bookmarks. So if you bookmark this site, you can then edit it with and write leftypol.org, and change the name to leftypol.org too. Then you bookmark this site again.
>>854913 >social sciences LOL GET LAID NERD CAN'T EVEN EDIT A BOOKMARK
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<"why doesn't pink text work with quotations?"
>>855511 <It's orange you invertebrate
>>855511 When my hair is a mess I just look like a runaway slave instead of aesthetic.
>>855511 horny
>>855719 magnet:?xt=urn:btih:64fe6bddf9eed20b916634114185a09dff57b5e3&dn=LeftyBooru-Images.7z&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.coppersurfer.tk%3A6969%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fexodus.desync.com%3A6969%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2F9.rarbg.to%3A2710%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.opentrackr.org%3A1337%2Fannounce But I already deleted the files from my computer :/
>>856754 It seems there is one peer, but it is very very slow.
>>856762 >>856754 reminder that if you download a torrent and don't seed afterwards you are a class traitor.
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>>859399 I set my torrents to stop once the downloading is complete. I download fast as fuck then leave.
>>859399 I've been seeding for the past couple of days, but I don't have my computer on most of the time.
>>856754 Cheers comrade
What should "based" be word filtered to? It's way overused and is a forced Web 3.0 meme.
>>864841 cringe
>>864841 epic win
>>864841 Unfortunately wordfilters cannot detect context so ordinary uses of the word would also be affected
>>864841 alkaline
>>864918 what should "cringe" be wordfiltered to?
>>864841 based on what?
>>865619 "badass"
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>>864841 >>865101 What should be done is filtering cringe to based and based to cringe, people can use "founded", "settled" or "supported" instead of based. This wordfilter should be active only even days, or better at randomized times.
>>867109 It's shouldn't be filtered. We need to stop with the word filters because it only makes things more confusing (except uighur because that one is actually funny).
Why doesn't Internet General belong on hobby? If everything else needs to be moved to the deadboard, why not that thread? Maybe it will pick up the traffic of hobby.
>>848992 faggot
>>867227 If you get confused by word filters, you have a problem.
Joggers should be filtered to uighurs rather than the word nig.ger because it's actually more annoying hearing rightoids say jogger than it is to hear them say nig.ger and it's not like anybody here even talks about joggers to begin with so it can't be misconstrued as honest conversation
>>869094 Right wingers who use joggers are white kids who are too scared to actually say the real n word so here's what I'd do >Filter Jogger to N!gger >Leave the Uighur filter >Filter Uighur to Jogger. This will force the right wingers to turn on the switch in their head to make actual sentences and in doing so turn them into communists. It's ingenious.
filter "jogger" to "rapper"
>>870245 this is the best suggestion I've seen in months
>>870245 good one
Hello, fellow comrades. I am into something I am re-reading his anti-Stalin speech: https://www.marxists.org/archive/khrushchev/1956/02/24.htm He says: "In December 1922, in a letter to the Party Congress, Vladimir Ilyich wrote: “After taking over the position of General Secretary, comrade Stalin accumulated immeasurable power in his hands and I am not certain whether he will be always able to use this power with the required care.”" But I can't find any 'letter' from Lenin where he exactly says that. Even the piece of letters about this was on Trotsky literature (of course he would publish that). Can someone direct me to them? Or is it a Khrushchev's lie?
>>872258 It's of course, over-exagerated. Read Grover Furr if you want a in-depth breakdown of how much of that speech is utter lies. See PDF.
>>872558 Grover Furr is an insane Stalin apologist who isn't even a specialist in Russian history. He's a professor of Medieval English literature.
>>872660 which debunks the text at hand... how? tip: it doesn't
>>872710 It means he isn't a trustworthy source.
>>872739 it means he is educated and expanded his studies he already learned how to do further to the topic of soviet history and the stalin era and what it further means is that you simply refuse to read because of your cheap attempt at character assasination, being unable to refute the text at hand go back to /pol/ to read your "info" graphics if this is too much text for you to read, simple as that
>>872739 It is literally irrelevant to the PDF linked. Double-check the claims and sources of the PDF if you want.
>>872743 >being unable to refute the text at hand See, that's just it. Most people don't have the competency or access to resources to assess the accuracy of what historians say, so you need to be able to trust them. Regardless of the topic, you should in general avoid reading non-specialists with a massive ideological biases, especially if you know little of the topic yourself. This is a guy even the MLs here make fun of for his refusal to admit to a single crime committed by Stalin.
>>872743 He doesn't use a scientific method thus he's not an historian. He's only known for his insanity, Marxists widely ignore him and you should too, it's not like there's not accurate history out there.
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>>872756 >He doesn't use a scientific method thus he's not an historian.
>>872754 not a single crime and not a single refutation
>>872732 Indeed. If only history were so rigid a discipline we would not have all the postmodern historian treating history like hunter/gatherer story time.
>>872763 tell me one method of coming to truth that is just as reliable as scientific method coinflips? religion? anecdotal evidence (experience)? Legit curious how you come to truth. (Don't wanna guess, but it's probably some insane shit or unreliable dumb shit just like conservatives believe in religion or anecdotes as a reliable epistemological method)
Truth is an aspect of a given reality. Different aspects of reality must be observed by different means. Do not look for one answer to every question.
>>872557 Thanks, but it doesn't say exactly this statement: "After taking over the position of General Secretary, comrade Stalin accumulated immeasurable power in his hands and I am not certain whether he will be always able to use this power with the required care". I think >>872558 Is correct. >>872660 Strawman. >>872754 > Most people don't have the competency or access to resources to assess the accuracy of what historians say, so you need to be able to trust them. That's the point of do an historic text: It's irrefutable under the material analysis. In fact, I can't find in any of Lenin's work the exact quote Nikita Khrushchev said, thus, NK lied. I knew he was a revisionist, and conspired to kill Beria, but he also darkened Stalin's image. >>873455 t. Trotskyte.
>>873521 >never actually responded >goes into sectarian strawmans/ad hominems Not a Trotskyist and I don't give a shit about Stalin. Oh well. I can tell you are disconnected from reality. Go back to your e-celeb thread and some shitty reddit clones fighting every day for your daddy Stalin or whatever you like. While doing nothing to advance the cause. The highest stage of NEETs or colleague kids in Burgerland. They are all just sports teams for you. That is why you call others Trotskyist instead of actually responding. You don't care about the truth, you just want to feel good about your sports team winning (in this case... Stalin... I guess...?). Go consume your sports team propaganda. I should have expected that you will just dodge the question, A SIMPLE QUESTION that even a 5 year old can answer because you believe in some irrational shit.
>>872660 name good historians on the subject then
>>873535 What's your question, I haven't seen anything. That Furr doesn't use scientific methodology? Then I would have to ask you: Where? According to what counter-methodology you claim about his methodology? Science uses quantitative and qualitative analysis. Where Furr doesn't use a qualitative and quantitative analysis? I am pointing that I can't find that exact quote Nikita Khrushchev said in any of the Lenin's works, thus NK is lying. I haven't read the PDF the comrade above provided, but at least for now I can agree with Grover Furr thesis: Khrushchev lied. Can you bring the quote in Lenin's works? certified it was written by him? No? then you are just being a reactionary. By the way, you should prove that Grover Furr is not applying a scientific methodology, because you are the one accusing him, the burden of proof is on you.
>>873740 There are a few people criticizing Furr for being a liar in this thread, I was the one calling him out for not being scientific. So basically what he does is reverse science, not unlike crazy conspiracy theorists tend to do, he assumes Stalin was good and Khrushchev was bad and then cherry picks facts here and there to push demonstrably false narratives (eg: azis did katyn massacre). When he doesn't have evidence to back his claims he says "it's undocumented because it was suppressed" somehow. Yeah this dude is crazy and a waste of time all right
words words words words words
>>873521 You do realize Lenin and Khrushchev weren't writing in English, right? The linked translation says >Comrade Stalin, having become Secretary-General, has unlimited authority concentrated in his hands, and I am not sure whether he will always be capable of using that authority with sufficient caution It's either the same sentence translated differently or a minor error. They mean the same thing. Thee are undoubtedly errors in Khrushchev's speech and maybe even some intentional distortions. It's not directly mentioned in the speech, but he definitely lied about Beria being an English spy. However, that doesn't mean the secret speech isn't generally true, or that Grover Furr is right. If you want to find out more about the purges, don't rely on either of them but read reputable historians.
>>873740 I'm the PDF anon, and if you're referring to the "rude" quote or whatever, I linked it above. It's taken out of context (so real) or it's a forgery - PDF provides detail on this.
time to get more mods
>>874153 >reputable historians And who would they be, according to you?
>>875077 Not him, but I would say those historians whose works cited pages do not make you say "fucking really?" upon close examination.
>>874995 >It's taken out of context (so real) or it's a forgery <I'm not sure what it was, but it's inconvenient to Stalin so it was definitely bad Good illustration of Furr's methodology. >>875077 Some are mentioned in this thread: >>862896
>>875541 You're a fool. I'm simply saying that the probability that it's a forgery is significant, and in the case that it's not, it's still taken out of context, with regards to the situation with Krupskaya, Stalin and a breakdown of communication.
>>875541 If you're the poster of >>875077, I'd rather you tell me who you personally like, because it seems like you have no clue ;)
>>875643 Based on what I've read by and of him, Getty seems pretty good. I'm indeed not an expert on Soviet historiography, but I know enough about history to tell you that you shouldn't believe non-specialists with fringe views just because you find them emotionally appealing. If you do, you're no better than a creationist.
>>875783 It's not really that fringe.
>>875787 He thinks the Katyn massacre was done by the Germans and that everyone judged at the Moscow Trials was guilty. No serious historian believes that.
you need to put a rule requiring link/source for any "news" thread being posted >>876195 edit the op and add https://www.asiatimesfinancial.com/ccp-announces-plan-to-take-control-of-chinas-private-sector the average idiot on /leftypol/ would take that thread with a sensationalist headline in the pic at face value and not know that the source asiatimesfinancial.com is a hong-kong based news media owned by some thai media mogul. its parent site asiatimes.com appears to be blocked in china.
Zer0 do your job
>>876137 That's not an argument. Aren't you going to rebut him?
>>876901 Pointing out that a source that has been cited is prone to making wildly inaccurate claims with a clear pattern of bias is, in fact, an argument.
>>876375 >capitalist source >talking about China in a way leftists would view favorably Why are you asking Janny to change your stinky diaper? It isn't like it's Chinese state propaganda, quite the opposite tbh.
I know this is a strange place to ask but does anyone know how to join an Element/riot link whilst signed into your username? I accept the link, but it has me as a guest, and it doesn't show me anyone in there or anything to read, mostly blank. Then I sign into my account and it logs me out of the room and I can't rejoin. Useless piece of garbage
>>878883 You can search for the room while logged in and then join it.
how do i stop being butthurt over shit?
>>882366 Simple. Stop being emotionally invested in things you can't control, and if you do become invested, go in with a "let's cleanse it" attitude.
>>878883 Element/riot us just the client. I say this because it will probably help you better understand how the matrix protocol works; You have a username that can be used on various matrix servers and use that client; riot what have you to connect to see servers
>>882699 Based stoicism, here's a good book on the subject by comrade Marcus Aurelius.
>>883186 lmao dat nigga is the exact opposite of stoic
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>>883186 If that book has any parenting advice, I suggest that you ignore it. Pic Related. >>883790 What are you talking about? Marcus Aurelius was most certainly a stoic philosopher.
>>883996 I think he means he larped as a stoic irl.
>>883996 no, that tripfag is not stoic. don't compliment him.
>>884476 >tripfag it's cute you want to pretend that you belong here, but you don't, stop using words you don't know and lurk more or go back to your reddit
>>886066 man, shut up. how many years before captcha did you even start posting? fuck off, kid.
>>886171 (me hol' up did you actually think I was referring to Marcus Aurelius, or are you so autistic that using the term tripfag over namefag actually bothers you? lmao
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>>886226 I am >>883996 but not >>886066. I thought that you were talking about Marcus Aurelius at first instead of the namefag.
>>886171 2006 after lurking for a year if you can't differentiate between names and trips you should just fuck off
>>886586 so you're autistic. post your oldest image.
>>668788 Which thread or board would be most appropriate for green text stories?
Okay admin, now that you have Cloudflare for malicious IPs you can go ahead and remove the whole "Your IP was recognized as a known spammer" nonsense.
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Reminder for mods to wordfilter "jogger" to "rapper"
>>891417 only the site owner can do this
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>>893614 lazy ass mods aren't even implementing the best idea in months
>>893614 >>895013 I don't get it...
>>896423 jogger is a racist dog whistle, replacing it with rapper does not help much.
jogger ---> Italian
This thread is the first thing people see when they come to the board you know, make your posts worthwhile maybe.
>>899156 This or Irish
>>902640 kike -> mick jogger -> wop
Oi, jannies, let TOR posters upload files pls
>>904504 I second this
>>904504 >Jannies Hotpockets, please ban uighurs like this and send them back to cuckchan, amen.
>>906202 A TOR poster supposedly from 4chan? Know-nothings blowing hard as always.
>>904504 There is a ban on TOR posters uploading files because our political rivals will spam the site with CP and or CP will be posted on the site behind the tor proxy. Image Uploading has been disabled with TOR to prevent this. This is how it was on 8ch.net, too. It's a fair compromise.
Is space actually a leftist? What if he's a crypto glowie?
https://www.GETchan.net/ Out with the glowies.
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Mods, stop sending garbage threads barely related to anime to the anime board, please! Just delete them.

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