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Anyone else think shit like OnlyFans, ASMR, etc. are actually dystopic as fuck? Anonymous 11/21/2020 (Sat) 11:43:10 No. 1157204
Not going to rant about sex work or women or anything, but I’ve been thinking, like, does this shit genuinely disturb anyone else or is it just me? Now, I’ve never sat through an ASMR, paid money for an e-thot, etc. but I have seen clips and know at least what the guys that are into it are thinking. Like, for me, the reason I can’t get through an ASMR is because it instantly makes all the hairs on my neck stand up, even did it before I was a communist. It’s just so...soulless, so empty. It’s like truly staring into the void, and it disturbs me down to my very core to think society is so severely alienated that this is an actual way people try getting a phantom touch of intimacy. This is on the scale of JOI from Blade Runner, except JOI could actually talk to people, interact with them; but this ASMR/ OnlyFans shit, you’re dealing with people who don’t even know you exist. Maybe it’s so disturbing to me just because of how it demonstrates the true misery of the Twenty-First Century condition; in the past for all their suffering and pain the proletariat still had each other, now they have nobody.
>>1157204 you're not the only one. While 10 years ago it would have been a big deal for someone to do porn i notice the younger generation thinks nothing of it, part of the general pornification of society, its almost totally normal for girls nowdays to be casual pornstars with having an onlyfans. This isn't an incel take its just a bit shocking. Every 8th girl i see on dating apps links her onlyfans. This is only going to accelerate with time as job opportunities for the younger generation gets ever scarcer, sort of like how Russian women were forced into prostitution after the collapse of the USSR.
Why do you care?
>>1157214 I’ve seen some people calling the current Great Depression a “She-pression” also because women are either having to quit or are getting fired at way higher rates than guys, some people are even saying it’s as though women as a whole have been setback a generation How bad will this shit get?
>>1157217 I was in GET and someone linked an ASMR and it was like staring into the Eye of Mordor or a black hole or something
lol its very late stage capitalism
Isn't ASMR just pleasing sounds? The other day I saw an ASMR video that was some rabbit chewing on cabbage, is that dystopian?
>>1157231 I meant more specifically the ones where it’s women quietly whispering and there are incredibly intimate overtones
who has that webm of the girl with the tractor dirty-talking about being able to afford rent when you don't to her onlyfans? >>1157214 >every 8th girl sure they aren't ads? make an account purely to shill onlyfans to horny males.
*donate, not don't
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>>1157204 >in the past for all their suffering and pain the proletariat still had each other, now they have nobody.
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As someone who used to consume GF asmr upon reflection it is a kind of double-alienation. As you have not had any previous experience in a relationship, you are purely going off what you have learnt second-hand - a main part of this is, of course, from media. So when you listen to these role-plays it feels real, if you delude yourself enough, you feel as you are actually having an experience with a gf. But this is a falsehood on top of a falsehood, pure simulacra, like pulling up a video of a fire and thinking that you feel its warmth.
>>1157239 maybe i'm thinking too much into it but it is definitely a new kind of opiate
>>1157221 Isn't it like that in every economic crisis? Woman were forced into working not too long ago so it makes sense that they would be fired first. And to my knowledge it is very common that during economic crisis woman are forced into prostitution will man are forced into criminality violence drugs and suicide
It's one of the most depressing things about late stage capitalism to me. People cannot relate to each others as humans anymore.
>>1157233 >sure they aren't ads? make an account purely to shill onlyfans to horny males. possible, but doesn't really change the inditement of society
>>1157204 And why do you think people, particularly younger people, become so visibly hostile at the mention of banning porn? You see that a lot on leftypol, people completely irrationally flip out. For a lot of younger comrades here even, it’s all they have left. The closest thing to human intimacy and affecting they experience. In a world devoid of community, where children are raised progressively neglected generation by generation, with no mentors, and much of the time no serious friends or prospects for genuine intimacy, porn has become their girlfriend, their mother, their companion, etc. It’s worse than not being able to imagine the end of capitalism. We can’t imagine the end of the personal hells we are living in right now, right this second. The opium is more than an escape - it’s the only reality many know.
>>1157204 I wouldn't say dystopic, but it certainly does display the nature of how ideas of celebrity culture have infected us all in a spectacle so convuluded and twisted it'd give Guy Debord a fucking anyeurism. I'd say it's pretty systematic of our economy as jobs start to run out, as most people will turn to self-employment. To illustrate me point, did you know that while youths in China want to be an astronaut, youths in America dream of becoming fucking youtubers? Not to say China's culture or economy is without criticism anyone who says China is socialist can kindly escort themselves away from actual discussion The future isn't just going to see an increase of sex workers, but most people will gain employment from the internet if we continue down this path. That's what I find dystopic, that our world is going to succumb to constant e-celeb bullshit that no human being with a functioning brain ought to give a shit about. >Hey guys, we should talk a bit more about solutions to global warming and ensuring our eco-system doesn't fall apart! <Uhm ackshually, here's a link to why Star Wars is neo-fascist propaganda. >Uhh.. ok, uh, how about how immigration policy has lead to needless deaths of human beings, and the survivors are too this day still seeking homes while being shipped from Asylum to Asylum <Uhm Ackshually, do you know that Robots is actually Pro-Trans >I mean that's great but- <Why aren't you subscribed to this channel? And so on, and so on. That, in my opinion, is the dystopia. Needless consumerist drivel. And I'm not saying that making video essays is bad and all, but jesus christ, there are more important issues at hand.
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>>1157245 That's not true anon. because I relate to that
>>1157249 >not watching porn for the fantastical aspect I unironically respect the prudes over the patronizing pearl clutchers.
>>1157249 Ain’t even opium anymore, comrade This shit is black tar heroin for the soul
>>1157253 >dumb, fa/tv/irgin doesn't even make a thread for Sneed's feed and seed (formerly chucks). Fuck off, city slicker.
>>1157249 "we should ban porn" is a bad example because it's a highly effective shibboleth for detecting trad LARPers, mumsnet-radfems and the rest. saying it is like showing up to an IRA meeting decked out in British flags. even if you came to deliver a nuanced idea, you did so flashing the biggest "i am your enemy" gang-sign you could.
>>1157252 >To illustrate me point, did you know that while youths in China want to be an astronaut, youths in America dream of becoming fucking youtubers? I actually did know that, incredibly blackpilled shit Hell, even when I was I wanted to be a paleontologist, kids these days are fucked
>>1157265 >saying it is like showing up to an IRA meeting decked out in British flags What, you didn't bring the union jack to the last meeting? Fucks sake Peadar.
>>1157249 >implying banning erotica is a good idea You do realise you can have make erotic content without financial incentive right? The reason for people getting mad at you for banning porn is probably because 1. You've probably phrased it badly. 2. Trying to regulate and illegalise pornography will probably have about the same effectiveness as making drugs illegal. I can understand if you do that within a community that's trying to fend off organisations linked to cartels or the cartels themselves is understandable (see EZLN). 3. The problem isn't the subject of porn, but rather addiction too. There's nothing wrong with drinking boose, or smoking the devil's lettuce, but addiction to that fucks with you and will ruin your life. tl;dr, porn isn't the problem, addiction to porn as well as the industry that promotes it is.
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I heard a term recently: "lumpenstreamer." I like the way it rolls off the tongue but it says something about this vast, lumpenized strata that is trying to eek out a living through hustling online. As everyone knows, most streamers -- and I suppose this is another version of it -- are barely carving out any money compared to the handful of people who get lucky. It's just a hustle among many hustles that people are having to do to get by. >>1157242 >Isn't it like that in every economic crisis? I think this one is particularly bad for women because it's hitting the lower-down service sector the most heavily, and a lot of women work those jobs. Think flight attendants, the girls waiting tables at Applebee's, etc. It's all those jobs. There airline caterers union (they prepare the food that is served on the airplane) went on a strike here last year before the pandemic and it was mostly women. The girls who used to be my neighbors were all service workers, two bartenders and another who worked at a breakfast diner. Two of them were socialists. https://youtu.be/F7SNEdjftno >>1157249 >And why do you think people, particularly younger people, become so visibly hostile at the mention of banning porn? Well the comparison to opium is apt. It's like a painkiller. If people are deadening themselves or retreating into escapist stuff, then there's probably another reason for that, and if your solution is to ban the escape, then they're going to react badly. Maybe that's not a rational response but people are not really rational. Empathy is what's needed, I think. And apparently escapism is a booming business right now.
>>1157287 >Empathy is what's needed, I think. This. I'm honestly sick to death of the "punitive" side of justice that seems to be shared on the online left. If we are to carry society forward and change people's minds for the better, we are hypocrites if we don't at least try to rehabilitate others from addiction and toxic behaviours.
>>1157214 >While 10 years ago it would have been a big deal for someone to do porn i notice the younger generation thinks nothing of it, part of the general pornification of society, its almost totally normal for girls nowdays to be casual pornstars with having an onlyfans. Not just that, but it's celebrated when a celebrity makes an OnlyFans on normie news sites like the Guardian as a "win for women" or something. It disturbs me how mainstream feminism actively celebrates the commodification of women's objectification.
>>1157294 Mainstream “feminism” is, at this point, porky pimping people out and little else
>>1157291 >empathy whatever liberal. We must torture the reactionary tendencies out of people one hundred lashings at a time.
>>1157287 "Lumpen" has truly lost any sense of meaning.
>>1157297 >Empathy is liberal Are you sure you wanna go down that road?
>>1157302 It's probably the same guy who was calling ecology fascist. Just ignore him, he couldn't crack a whip let alone convince proles to do it for him.
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>>1157297 Don't get me wrong, if you make me supreme commander of the new socialist federation, I'm going to lock some asses up. There will be jails. But it's not these people I'm putting in the jails. BTW, there was a Chinese comedy show from awhile ago (Carl Zha tweeted about it) where the scary monster girl, Sadako, from The Ring climbs through a projector screen into a Communist Party meeting during the war against Japan. And instead of being scared, the communists are like "oh, you poor girl! We have to reeducate you!" And then they feed her, serve her tea, groom her hair, and show real compassion and empathy. Finally they inculcate her with communist ideology so she becomes People's Sadako. Then the Japanese bomb the village and the kill communists, but she survives, and then gets her vengeance by climbing through a projector in the Japanese HQ and shoots the officers. https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1185742217631039488 That's communism and it owns. Also this great scene from Red Detachment of Women. It expresses the ideology through a girl being brought into the movement. And then at the very end, right before the communist cadre hands her a rifle, the girl bows to cadre. It's subtle, but the cadre immediately corrects her, like "no no no, we don't bow here." That's all that feudal junk that has brainwashed you and made you feel less-than to others, and that's not what we're about. I guess it's like a tough-love thing. But in capitalist societies where all relations are dehumanized, this isn't taught to people. https://youtu.be/DpW4l8lgw0A
>>1157291 Yeah people who don't believe in rehabilitation and reeducation and essentialize people as unchanging things that are "good/bad" or "pure/impure" or "dirty/clean" or "saved/unsaved" are called liberals.
>>1157314 Man Why did the 20th Century have to end, fam?
>>1157204 No it's based
>>1157324 I get a little choked up watching the end of it. The pride on her face. Like that scene from Network: "I'm a human being goddammit! I have dignity!!!" That clip is of a play, yeah, but it expresses something real about the ideology that was so powerful and inspired hundreds of millions of people to seize a historic mission to liberate the proletariat and make revolutions with the leadership of a party that was there to see people through the gauntlet of terror, violence and war to build a better future.
>>1157249 >Calls for censorship of art, media, and sexual expression in a way that would require the complete and total subsumation of the internet by the state and the banning of all encryption and peer to peer communication <NOOOOOO YOU CANT BE OFFENDED
>>1157324 >>1157332 Nostalgia for a world you weren’t born into doesn’t change the fact that Soviet Union didn’t achieve socialism, and neither will you if you keep dwelling on it. If their memory means anything to you, I hope for their sake you’re doing more than lamenting for their passing on an Albanian bunker building forum. im not saying your grief isn’t warranted, but it doesn’t do well to dwell on it, lads
>>1157339 You sound like a liberal.
>>1157341 Honestly I despise myself for not servicing my life for the proletariat, really trying to figure out if it's down to me being a lazy piece of shit, me having had my spirit crushed, or there being no worthwhile communist parties in this country
>>1157339 STFU. We live in a nightmare dystopia world where life is literal torture for most of humanity day in day out, where runaway climate change will reduce the population of earth to under a billion people within life times today, where millions of people are teetering on death from starvation right now and people are dying from homelessness and poverty and preventable diseases and the worst thing your lobotomised mind can imagine is the internet being censored. Fuck you, you sheltered bourgeois fat fucking parasite. I hope you and your family get gang raped and beaten to death you son of a whore.
>>1157300 Don't take it too literally, but kinda. It's like begging for coins while having the dream of obtaining the wealth and influence just fall into your lap from exploiting some bizarre temporary social distortion but not have the class foundation and experience to understand how to consolidate and maintain it. All of these new media fortunes are extremely precarious and that's not exactly an accident. But mostly I just wanted to say "lumpenstreamer." >>1157341 I find it inspiring. It's extremely good shit. People don't need to be sad! Read Marx!
>>1157354 >WAHHHH IM ANGRY ABOUT ALL THIS INJUSTICE THAT IM GOING TO PUNISH PEOPLE FOR PETTY SHIT AND MAKE THEIR LIVES EVEN WORSE
>>1157354 Collaborating with the Average Joe means not having 100% consensus, or people that have read every book, or have the same level of intelligence you have, and that's the reality. Being like "ha ha you're so stupid and I hope your family gets gang raped" is not going to win anyone over to your position. That kind of hostility often pushes people away from socialism and while I'm sure some here would consider that a victory, applying that kind of purity test to the rest of the world is going to leave you with very few allies.
>>1157358 I’ll make your life a whole lot fucking worse if I get the opportunity. You’re the reason we need Communist gas chambers. I’d destroy the internet in a fucking heartbeat if it meant an end to the miserable condition most of the god damn planet live in. Just to be so fucking emotionally concerned about preserving the neoliberal fuckhole mistake we call the internet makes you a piece of shit parasite. NO freedom for you. At all.
>>1157361 >You’re the reason we need Communist gas chambers.
>>1157361 >WAHHHH WAHHHHHHH STATE DADDY THEY ARE DOING THINGS THAT MAKE ME UPSET PLS CENSOR FOR ME STATE DADDY
>>1157364 "censorship" is a meme fear held by people who can't distinguish between signal and noise.
>>1157204 THIS THIS THIS OnlyFans and the ASMR is the pinnacle of alienation of society
>>1157367 nigga most asmr is just for relaxing and shit. Like, some of the top ASMR people are men who do like, cthulu roleplay or trucker roleplay and shit
>>1157252 Self employment shit in this age can employ 0,5/1% of the working population TOPS. It will all come crashing down
>>1157271 Porn is inherently addictive and destroys your ideas of how women are and how relationships are carried out
>>1157376 >WAHHHHHHHH IF I SEE A BOOBIE I MIGHT SHIT MY DIAPY
>>1157297 Based and Iron Felix pilled
>>1157204 All part of the spectacle, albeit a very depressing one. My girlfriend is a simp. She likes finding girls on onlyfans to sub to so she can watch me jerk off to them while we fantasize a three-way together.
>>1157376 >and destroys your ideas of how women are not if you watch gay porn
>>1157382 It would be great for women if men could watch more gay porn.
>>1157351 We're in the same boat
>>1157231 No, but it's very cute. You got a link?
>>1157265 >saying it is like showing up to an IRA meeting decked out in British flags. even if you came to deliver a nuanced idea, you did so flashing the biggest "i am your enemy" gang-sign you could. Damn Rosa-killer, you won't get the gulag when the revolution comes.
>>1157357 Based anon >>1157361 Based and blood in the eyes pilled >>1157364 Not understanding shit: the post >>1157382 I must recognize that would be a pro gamer move
>>1157381 That's the most alienated sex I could imagine
>>1157375 One of the big drivers behind urbanisation in the third world is that urban poverty is in so many ways preferable to rural poverty. Reason for this is, a former peasant or rural prole can often make more money begging or doing odd jobs on the streets of a major city than they can working sunrise to sunset farming cocoa or rice or whatever. If you think about it the trend towards “lumpen streaming”, gig economy, and this entire precarious lumpenized economy as a whole is a similar process, although more related to a lack of alternatives rather than just better prospects. The problem is, in the same way a city can only support so many Pan handlers, highway peddlers and odd jobs (tied to roughly the proportion of middle/upper class + the limits of their disposable income) there are limits to how many lumpemstreamers and gig workers can be sustained. A commonality in most of the success stories is they got in early while this shit was fresh. Now the market is over saturated, it’s sustainable as only a side hustle, and this situation will get a lot worse as the economic depression ravaged expendable income and impoverished former middle class consumers, which will also have the effect of pushing more people into this economy, speeding up its partial or total collapse. The current get up is entirely unsustainable. It’s a matter of how thoroughly it falls apart, and where these people end up next.
>>1157396 >LOL GAS CHAMBER GULAG BASED KILL DEGENERATES BASED
>>1157376 Sounds like you are into some really lame porn in the first place.
>>1157403 Part of the problem is that a lot of people are into really lame porn that destroys the ability of having a functioning sex life.
>>1157396 >>1157297 >>1157361 Well done Agent Hebert.
>>1157397 Don't get me wrong chuck, we have a very loving relationship and have really good sex with just us two, but she's got a fetish for it and is also bi, so sometimes she likes to watch me/fuck me while we look at some ethot.
>>1157407 Okay and? A lot of people are into all kinds of dumb shit that fucks with their grasp of reality. Singling out porn and insisting on banning it only reveal how singular one's focus is, instead of working to fix the central alienation, social or marxist, from the system. Either that or insist on only making social realism artworks.
>>1157401 Based material analysis. Very dialectical. Also if lumpen sets off to many hackles, we could call them the semiproletariat. The class of marginalized workers who lack regular employment, such as working peasants, pedlars, small handicrafts makers, and the underemployed. And, indeed, an ally of the proletariat in the coming communist revolution.
ASMR doesn't do much for me, but I think they're mostly harmless. Onlyfans is part of the gig economy, except you can make a lot of money compared to working for uber and food delivery services.
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Speaking of porn/alienation, last night I had an hour free before bed that I was going to use to read theory, but I jerked off to rule 34 of thr Starbucks logo instead. Thoughts?
>>1157418 You “can” make a lot of money. In that it’s hypothetically possible. Most don’t come anywhere close to “making a lot of money”. Nor is it even possible for the majority of users at any given time to. The market is only becoming more saturated, and the consumer base becoming smaller by the day.
>>1157351 Then look to help improve yourself or the lives of others. Just because they don’t fit you ideologically or perfectly, doesn’t mean you shouldn’t stop trying to help your self or your fellow man. I’m starting to read a lot more about ecology. Don’t see why you can’t either.
>>1157415 I wasn't even suggesting banning anything, I'm most just whining. It is annoying to deal with men who have completely unrealistic ideas about how sex works.
>>1157425 I had a sex dream about Zhou Enlai recently and it was seriously the highlight of my month. 2020 has not been kind to my sex life
>>1157429 It is annoying to deal with people period. Why do you think people indulge in escapism?
>>1157204 It's just the natural result of capitalist fascism.
BTW, podcasts are just as bad.
>>1157439 It's annoying to deal with a lot of people, but that is not going to make me stop complaining about specific annoyances.
>>1157445 How? t. Leninhat
>>1157458 They're petty bourgeois indulgence. Look at clowns like chapo, living like kings in their Brooklyn brownstones
>>1157450 Then you are part of the problem.
>>1157426 Sorry if it wasn't clear enough, but that was my point. You could theoretically become rich by selling nudes, but most of the girls who do that end making only a few bucks and that's it. >>1157445 Not every podcast is behind a paywall, but I get your point.
>>1157463 No, I'm not. If you can't handle even the faintest criticism against porn or the porn industry, you have a problem and I think you know it.
>>1157469 I can handle it, but you persistence in being annoying underlines my point that escapism exist coz people are too annoying. Why try to have sex with an annoying person when you can watch porn and not be annoyed?
>>1157467 Ah, I get you. Yeah I misunderstood you, unfortunately there is a big effort by neolibs to promote shit like only fans as “liberating” and “women controlling their income/no middle man/make lots of money” is one of their arguments.
>>1157477 If you find human interaction so intolerable that you have to turn to porn to fill your need for sexual/romantic intimacy then your real problem is alienation, not “annoying people”. The point of socialism is to completely reconstruct society on a *social* basis. I cringe when I hear ppl talk about porn or like playing video games in their bedroom/house under socialism like they’ll still be a thing. Partly a lack of introspective ability, partly people stuck in fukuyama’s end of history delusion - even so called “socialists” struggle to imagine life or how a society would look outside of neoliberalism.
>>1157477 Because having sex with an actual human (annoying as they can be) beats having a parasocial relationship every time?
>>1157485 >then your real problem is alienation, not “annoying people”. That’s exactly my point you fucking moron. The fact that I have to use an Albianian shitposting forum to discuss leftist theory and still be annoyed by retarded replies highlights how alienated I am. Imagine how annoying IRL people are, especially you! I rather talk to a chatbot than some of you people. >The point of socialism is to completely reconstruct society on a *social* basis. No to point of socialism is for the proletariat to seize control and reconstruct to the economy to their whims. Whatever happens next is up in the air. If I had to guess, I would say erotica or abstract pornography and video game will replace its current form. But definitely not its complete erasure.
>>1157485 I honestly can't see either going away under socialism. Video games would be really different though.
>>1157488 If the former is so much better than the latter than people ITT wouldn’t be bitching about the latter.
>>1157496 You can bitch about something and still know that it is vastly preferable to the alternative.
>>1157501 Not the point you idiot. if having sex with an actual human is so much better than a parasocial relationship, people wouldn't be favouring the latter so much that would make anons ITT cry about it
>>1157510 Most people are in parasocial relationships because they have difficulties forming real relationships with other humans. I don't think it is about favoring as much as it is out of desperation.
>>1157510 People are having parasocial relationships because neoliberal porky killed actual human intimacy
>>1157477 I can handle it, but... >whines in multiple posts about how his porn addiction is based
>>1157510 >If socialism was so much better than capitalism why are people engaging in capitalism Oh sorry you're just an idiot, my bad
>>1157493 You’re pretty insufferable tbh fam. Weird teenage aspergery elitist vibes. I take it back, your primary problem is not alienation as much as you seem to be a shitty person.
>>1157514 >because they have difficulties forming real relationships with other humans. That is my point. People finding it more cost effective to form parasocial over real ones. >>1157517 This is 0 theory does to a mf. Neoliberal porky are as deeply alienated as the people they are exploiting. >>1157530 What a shit comparison. Socialism didn't exist before captialism so people wouldn't know how much better (or worse) it would be than captialism and can't make that choice. But meatspace relationship existed before parasocial behaviour and is pretty well documented, so the awareness is already there.
>>1157534 >This is 0 theory does to a mf. Neoliberal porky are as deeply alienated as the people they are exploiting Which doesn't contradict what I said, dumbass?
>>1157531 >your primary problem is not alienation as much as you seem to be a shitty person. My alienation informs my behaviour. But the fact that you can't even understand my point and have to lash out like that proves my point. Social alienation while informed by captialism, is not defined solely by it. >>1157542 It does because it means it isn't neoliberal porky doing the killing since they wouldn't consciously harm themselves. At best you can argue that the logic of capitalism and thirst of profit has infected the culture industry and made relationships a (or built around a) commodity, but that it doesn't 'kill' human intimacy, would be like saying porn killed' sex.
>>1157534 >Socialism didn't exist before captialism so people wouldn't know how much better (or worse) it would be than captialism and can't make that choice. This isn't the issue. The issue is that the 'choice' is never made, this is a completely theorylet idea. People don't 'choose' consciously to play candy crush for like 2 hours every day, they are coerced into doing this because it plays on biological functions to which we are currently tied. What's better, real experiences that expand your personality and cause *actual* enjoyment, or these shallow hedonistic things which are sold to us as the only way to live? Read Capitalist Realism. It's not like people weigh up all the pros and cons, it's not like one's 'better' therefore we should do it. To achieve socialism involves discipline and death, risk, and going outside ones comfort zone. Things completely abhorred by neoliberal society and shit like porn and video games. >Just enjoy yourself, you deserve it, you must maximise every moment to enjoy. Be Happy. Look these people are happy, why aren't you? Better get your dopamine fix etc etc. This ideas are peddled to us, not consciously decided.
>>1157534 No, you misunderstand. I'm saying that people are too broken to be capable of having real relationships with others. It has nothing to do with cost effectiveness.
>>1157555 Reducing people to mindless automatons being brainwashed by capitalism and then suddenly turn around and say 'real experiences' is somehow better and worthwhile therefore should be pursued is such a bullshit argument. You can't rob people of their agency when they make poor choices and then appeal to them to use their agency to build a better world. >To achieve socialism involves discipline and death, risk, and going outside ones comfort zone. And people (at least in the first world) are too comfortable materially, being threatened by violence or lack the socialist language to strife for socialism. You put too much weight (probably due to being terminally online) into the capability of capitalism to rob people of their agency. If anything the uptick in riots and chaos shows that people are mad, even with porn or video games, but incapable to channel their anger to a coherent ideology or movement (yet). >>1157556 Too broken is a far cry with having difficulty. I don't agree with the former btw.
>>1157553 Bro do you genuinely believe capitalists directly control what the capitalist system does? At the end of the day it’s still based on them fucking workers over so they can fuck each other over.
Why people cry about only fans when it is literally the least offensive version of prostitution. No I don’t believe in prostitution in general but what goes on on the streets and in the third world is way, way worse than any onlyfans
>>1157570 Have you ever had sex? If so you must be able to remember a sexual encounter that completely eclipsed all your masturbations? Maybe not explicitly sex but some emotion connection with another human in this way. This is probably the most human experience there is, and so I will call it 'real' to the petty simulation of it which is masturbation and ASMR vids. The consumer knows this is shallow and that's why these people are in general depressed as fuck. I appeal to people to overcome their societal position and strive for more. To not buy into what the ruling ideology dictates and rise up, to create something that completely disgusts the ruling ideology. >>1157581 Agreed, the laws and discussion on sex work need to be focused on these most violently oppressed, not petty booj white girls, who are still a tiny minority when it comes to world prostitution.
>>1157577 They have some control, but not enough to do those outlandish things you just said. Ultimately they are slave to the profit motive, but the profit motive is not that powerful a force as you made it out to be.
>>1157581 Did you only read as much to think I wanna take away your cope but didn’t get the actual point in the OP?
>>1157589 Outlandish things like massively raise working hours, cut wages, and shill alienating products on people?
>>1157591 I don’t watch only fans. Never have never would. If I was gonna watch porn I defo wouldn’t pay for it lmao. I just think cosmetic factors of e thots make people more averse to it in general than they are of say, a hooker that lives in a motel. Mostly cos these hookers don’t promote themselves in twitter etc, but the only fans ones do and there is the whole culture around that .
>>1157584 Your patronizing and condescending plea will get you nowhere precisely because you don't understand how these people thinks and act, browbeating their experience as shallow and petty. People are depressed as fuck because they do not have any solidarity/kinship with their fellow human anymore, hence retreats to parasocial shit. I would rather tell people to recognize their common interests and needs with their fellow human despite any differences.
>>1157593 How can those things be outlandish when there were the norms a century ago before socialism appeared? Read a fucking book.
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This is alienation, people are alienated from their activity, society, nature and from themselves. Looking for some kind of self-affirmation in mere spectacles and images. It is like people seeking self-affirmation and some escape from their misery in religion. Everything is just empty and superficial images, content doesn't matter only the superficial sign value. Another good example of this is people sharing quotes from philosophers and scientists that sound "deep", while they completely misunderstand what they meant, nor read their work. They just share quotes to sound and appear sophisticated and intelligent. "Rationality" , "intelligence" and "science" just became an aesthetic or a character trait, while it is a method. Don't get me wrong I use ASMR (mainly ear eating) now and then, especially when I have a migraine. The goosebumps and weird tingling feel kind of takes the headache away.
>>1157597 It is the mark of the terminally online to bitch about onlyfans instead of abusive sex work.
>>1157485 you sound like a turbo normie and a complete and utter faggot. If this is the end goal of "socialism" then consider me your worst enemy
>>1157601 I'm not being patronizing. If you haven't had sex then it makes sense why would you defend porn so emphatically. Why do you think throughout modern history the main subject of art has been love? It is probably the most genuine human experience (read Zizek). It's not patronizing to say masturbation is shallow and petty, do you honestly believe the act of masturbation is a noble and genuine human experience that enriches your life? There are many reasons people are depressed, but the people who are addicted to porn and watch this ASMR shit are well aware of the facade of their fake experience. This is a depressing facts and contributes to it. The reduction of human relations as a 'difference in preference' is a bourgeois one. "It's your choice! If you feel more happy staying inside all day wanking to images all day then you do that :)", as if this is actually a choice. It's the same as the capitalists who say you 'choose' to work a certain job so have no right to complain.
>>1157602 I think what you need is to obtain the key skill of reading complete
>>1157609 If your only desire is to recreate the relations of neoliberalism why call yourself a socialist?
>>1157609 Found the retard that has never read theory and will be a poltard in a year.
>>1157597 To be fair I wasn’t talking about OnlyFans from the perspective of a producer
>>1157612 >I'm not being patronizing >proceed to patronize and psychoanalyze other people even more And that comparison is shit but parasocial relationships are a lack of real ones, the difference between is more askin to being on welfare and on work. >Why do you think throughout modern history the main subject of art has been love? No it isn't. The main subject of art has been communication >>1157613 How about you man up and just state your point instead of giving snide comments like a bitch.
>>1157617 i don't care about politics that much fam .in a year i'll probably be doing something else to ease my boredom. and the only reason to go to pol is to troll others.
>>1157625 > How about you man up and just state your point instead of giving snide comments like a bitch. I already did, but you couldn’t see it because you don’t know how to read, Mr. Internet Tough Guy
>>1157625 >And that comparison is shit but parasocial relationships are a lack of real ones, the difference between is more askin to being on welfare and on work. And that comparison is shit coz parasocial relationships are due to a lack of real ones (as you yourself said), the difference between is more askin to being on welfare and going to work.
>>1157630 No you didn't, you start sperging out and asking sarcastic questions like a passive aggressive bitch after I told you neoliberal porkies would not harm themselves knowingly and the commodification of relationship doesn't kill actual relationship
>>1157625 Okay real relationships=good. We agree
>>1157636 That things like slashing wages, raising hours, and shilling this decadent crap is what killed intimacy by killing people’s ability to form relationships. But you decided to be a dick about it and since I have no empathy for you I was a dick in response
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>>1157354 Lol I live in a country with rampant censorship, bans on VPNs, even internet shutdowns Don't have to be a bourgeois firstoid to be concerned about that. And I definitely don't want to see it censored even more because of something fucking banal like porn >>1157351 >parties Illegalism is a thing you know
>>1157640 We? Fuck off. I didn't agree with anything you said. Whatever a real relationship is, a parasocial one is a easier but less rewarding variant one. But its existence should not undermine or hinder the real one. Nor is advocating for it going to help people find it.
>>1157656 >That things like slashing wages, raising hours, and shilling this decadent crap is what killed intimacy by killing people’s ability to form relationships. Again, if that were the case, people would not have relationships a century ago before socialism came to prominence and advocacy for worker's rights and shit. Like I said, read a fucking book.
>>1157361 >Just to be so fucking emotionally concerned about preserving the neoliberal fuckhole mistake we call the internet makes you a piece of shit parasite. How fucking young are you lmao besides not everyones some faggot normalfag that thinks the internet == fedbook & reddit
>>1157668 The proletariat existed as a semi-conscious subject back then But anyway fuck you :)
>>1157673 Even those people had relationships and shit retard. Read Road to Wigan Pier.
>>1157432 2020 has been a rough year for sex universally, it's okay anon
>>1157214 I've been dating lately and using the apps and so many chicks have linked their onlyfans in their profiles. A little off putting.
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>>1157204 >Not going to rant about sex work or women or anything, but I’ve been thinking, like, does this shit genuinely disturb anyone else or is it just me? Nah, saw it coming. There's a reason why Christianity tells women to get married before they have sex.
onlyfans, asmr and all related bullshit is just the gig economy merging with sex work. prior to this, you could say the independent "escort" who manages clients with a burner phone was on the cutting edge. is it really a surprise that sex work is succumbing to the same changes as restaurants, transportation, etc.? you could make the argument that technology has made it incredibly easy to get into sex work, with many "ASMR artists" just transitioning to self-directed, amateur porn, but overall, I think it's still doing less harm than more conventional forms of sex work (e.g., street walking on a Friday night). P
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>>1157432 Zhou Enlai was pretty hot
>>1157294 >It disturbs me how mainstream feminism actively celebrates the commodification of women's objectification. that's why it's mainstream, it's part and parcel of the ruling ideology: liberal individualism in an escalating spiral with individual commodification
>>1157381 >My girlfriend is a simp. I mean it’s better than you bringing girls home and fucking them while making her watch. Like reverse cuck shit. But that’s...Awful.
>>1157380 >Iron Felix pilled you're an uneducated swine if you think that Felix was some brutal thug with no empathy, man was the funder of a commission that helped orphans and shit; he was glad when it became possible for Cheka to stop killing people via firing squad and was all-around very romantic in his personal letters and non-official writings
>>1157381 Girls know that some men are really into threesome so they like this type of teases compared to actually sharing your bf
>>1157242 Is there any evidence that women are getting fired first. Seems more like a bunch of single moms are being forced to raise their own Chad spawns because they can't dump them off at state run kid jails (schools).
>>1157485 >The point of socialism is to completely reconstruct society on a *social* basis. Yeah yeah but what you are doing is making up recipes for the cookshop of the future. The dissapearance of porn and videogames and all other alienation that lurks under your bed, will follow from a restructuring of the ownership of the MOP. Calling to ban porn absent this happening, is putting the cart before the horse.
>>1157381 Kek based and degenerate pilled. It’s alright anon we’ve all been with freaky chicks. Never heard this particular one before tho
>>1157204 >And why do you think people, particularly younger people, become so visibly hostile at the mention of banning porn? Because the justifications for it are incredibly reactionary, moralizing, paternalistic and misandrist. Men don't watch porn at the expense of relationships. They watch it because they have no prospects. Society can recognize fucking druggies and alcoholics as victims of shitty circumstances but not something as benign as watching too much porn. It's staggeringly hypocritical from the left.
>>1157805 >Society can recognize fucking druggies and alcoholics as victims of shitty circumstances Oh please, only if they're rich and/or famous, if you're a deadbeat poor junkie you get tossed in the ditch to die.
>>1157831 >But the 30 something millennial women are absolutely fucked How are they fucked when they're earning more than men now and have more stable lives?
>>1157297 >whatever liberal. We must torture the reactionary tendencies out of people one hundred lashings at a time. This post was written with fat Cheeto dust stained fingers.
>>1157834 it's funny - educated, high-achieving women complain about not having many options at their level, and are then forced to "date down", according to their standards. gender relations are too fucked for my brain to handle and this thread further showed that to me. I am happy being a de-facto eunuch.
>>1157841 Everything is fucked, not just gender. Fuck life.
>>1157361 This spaghetti gave me a hearty Kek.
>>1157287 >I heard a term recently: "lumpenstreamer." I like the way it rolls off the tongue but it says something about this vast, lumpenized strata that is trying to eek out a living through hustling online. As everyone knows, most streamers -- and I suppose this is another version of it -- are barely carving out any money compared to the handful of people who get lucky. It's just a hustle among many hustles that people are having to do to get by. I think the term used in academia is "precariat" Its also includes those people who are living off uber, or other gig workers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precariat
I made a thread about a related topic a day ago or so. It got moved to /b/: https://bunkerchan.xyz/b/res/13193.html
>>1157581 >Why people cry about only fans when it is literally the least offensive version of prostitution. I don't agree with this at all. Because an old school prostitute can only take advantage of a few men at a time skills while someone on only fans streamer can take advantage of thousands and sometimes millions of men. Its capital monopoly on simps. It's okay those hoes will get theirs when these women themselves are replaced by real time cgi women. Where a team of animators voice actors and writes makes combine their talents to make the perfect woman. Project melody already proves it works.
OnlyFans is extremely degenerate (for lack of a term that isn't a /pol/ buzzword) but for the most part I think it's one of those things that just exposes you to pathetic people that already existed for a while, and isn't responsible for creating them. Mainly since people tend to balk at paying for crank fodder.
>>1157834 >Working alone for your entire life with no husband or kids isn't being fucked. t. roastie
>>1157204 This could've been a better thread, but the retarded puritans can't resist but give their absolute shit takes. I'd also add mukpang to your list https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mukbang
>>1157939 I mean by that post's logic the men don't have a wife or kids either so if anything, at least women are less fucked. Not saying women have it great but at least they're financially more comfortable and they're probably having more sex/meaningful relationships too
>>1157967 Yes but men have had their entire adult lives to come to peace with it and will have sex dolls to placate them, women will not have that.
>>1157967 Yes but men have had their entire adult lives to come to peace with it and will have sex dolls to placate them, women will not have that.
>>1158011 Also men don't have nearly the same amount of culpability in their own loneliness.
>>1157939 >SILENCE, INCUBATOR incel
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Reminder that something like Patreon, OnlyFans, etc. is impossible in countries like North Korea. Bikinis and jeans are illegal for citizens to wear and the intranet is closely monitored and regulated. In North Korea, something like VR is used for things like medical training whereas in the West it'll eventually become primarily a porn device. Meanwhile neighboring countries like South Korea, China and Japan are riddled with prostitutes and pornographers.
>>1157904 you disagree cos you are an incel or you wouldn't term it like "prostitutes take advantage of men". Least offensive i.e. least damaging to all parties involved.
>>1158362 >MUH VALUES MUH DEGENERACY MUH MUH MUH MUH MUH
>>1158371 this. irl prostitutes are actually pretty nice - don't know why they get such a bad rap. they don't "exploit" men any more than a video game or cigarette company
>>1157904 >prostitutes take advantage of men
>>1157361 dude what the fuck
>>1158414 don't worry we can fix the internet without using gas, i don't know how or why this anon could think this, it's all about electrical bits and code
>>1158371 I shit you not, I have heard IRL pro-"sex work" "feminists" argue that sex work isn't bad because "they are taking advantage of men actually."
>>1157374 yeash asmr is fine, i like a few programming asmrs and one where they go through a typography book.
>>1158566 arent those sex workers like so far divorced from actual human trafficking. there is nothing inherently wrong with onlyfans shit, selling your body for wages is like universal among the working class.
>>1158585 >what's wrong with exploiting alienated men for money?
>>1158588 who cares lmao, we cant all work at amnesty international
>>1157204 Joi from blade runner is partly about this. The acronym JOI is a porn category. It stands for "Jerk Off Instruction." When she calls the protagonist "JO" she is literally calling him a jerkoff lmao.
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>>1157604 Great post. >I use ASMR I think you're going to like this.
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>>1158603 >not posting actual gun ASMR
>>1158611 6 shots. More than enough to kill anything that moves.
>>1158619 that's a .500 S&W Magnum lmao where do you live? some australian hellscape?
>>1158619 >six shots bruh he opened the cylinder and showed you the gun holds five, and then fired five
>>1158622 >>1158623 omg its a revolver ocelot quote, i know its about a single action army, just thought there would be more kojima fans
>>1158625 Kojima is a pretentious hack.
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>>1158625 The whole point of his speech is jerking off that one specific gun though.
>>1157249 Aside from other good replies to this post, it needs to also be said that what constitutes "porn" is and always has been extremely vague, to the point that the original definition given was literally "I know it when I see it." Informational and educational material has been banned for being "pornographic" before. And of course these bans don't really work anyway in practice, instead functioning as one of many laws that can be selectively enforced to target certain people those with power do not like. Anybody who seriously entertains the idea of "banning pornography" is an absolute clown.
>>1158362 Based and Juchepilled
>>1158588 exploitation isn't just a word you can apply to someone doing anything you don't like if you want to talk about "exploiting alienation" then for consistency you extend that to every piece of consumer product marketed to somehow fill a void in your life often simply banning things is just an attempt to repress some negative aspect of reality, and this predictably backfires >>1158566 what they are saying is that it doesn't make sense to treat the cammer as a poor victim forced into something that they need to be saved from, which is the most common line of anti-sex work argument. If you then want to make an anti-sex work argument based on the poor men being exploited out of their money then you can refer to the above.
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>>1158611 >all those watermelons getting rekt Yet this guy says "mmmmm" while getting shot at
>>1158667 Puritanism is a disease of the burger left.
>>1158820 bruh why did they make this, its horrible
On the subject of dystopian internet things, have you guys ever looked into this vtuber shit? Apparently its big money, even for the English speaking market. The vtubes have labels that represent them and facilitate collab streams. Its some weird shit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaXZDzbwP_4&t=452
No not everyone is an autist. ASMR doesn't have anything to do with capitalism and porn would still exist without capitalism though less common.
We'll be so fulfilled and happy talking at socialist meetings that we won't need entertainment anymore. Also you're a degenerate addicted monster if you argue with me.
It makes reactionaries and trads mad so it's good. It's only sex and sounds bro damn.
I get it with OnlyFans, but why ASMR? It's just videos of semi-satisfying noises, I don't really see what's particularly "dystopic" about it.
>>1158667 >Aside from other good replies to this post, it needs to also be said that what constitutes "porn" is and always has been extremely vague, to the point that the original definition given was literally "I know it when I see it." No, it's not you ape. It's literally just anything involving sex that is made with the explicit purpose of causing sexual arousal. Nothing particularly vague about that.
>>1158842 I have played mods with less effort that looks better than this. From and outside the HL world. I guess they wanted too much, they had too many goals, and couldn't or didn't know how to do half of the things they wanted.
>>1158872 Everything makes them mad, anon. They literally hate fun. It doesn't necessarily vindicate something.
God, look how fucking afraid everyone is of being called "incel". Tip toeing around the obvious just so their masculine egos are protected, really is funny that "progressives" have emboldened toxic masculinity by calling everyone who criticizes "sex work" a loser virgin.
>>1157217 Reminder that "sex work" defenders ARE NOT and NEVER will be socialists/leftists, they uphold libertarian values. Most bordering on ancap.
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>>1157904 >simps are the real victims
>>1159186 Yes I too want to be gulag'd as social parasite for uploading Donkey Kong hentai to 4chan at 3AM.
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>>1157904 >prostitutes take advantage of men
Children take advantage of pedophiles.
>>1159224 Plz don't ban me it twas a joke
>>1157314 imagine actually being happy about the society that you live in.
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>>1159246 have sex.
I don't know what it's like to have actual women like me. I've only received at most pity comfort from women, for a brief moment. So, I don't know if it's even "dystopic". It's exactly what I expect to be the only thing I'll ever know, a pretty woman who doesn't know I exist that I would jerk off too. And after a while, it is more comfortable to just watch, rather than show myself and reveal what a failure I am. Believing it to be dystopic implies that realistically every man should be able to find affection from sexual intimacy / approval from women, but that's always been a fiction. I can think of many things in this world that really are dystopian and utterly nightmarish, and some of them are just accepted as perfectly normal for a liberal democracy. For example, when you have a news anchor gleefully praise sending missiles to kill randos at a Syrian air base in a blatant war crime, because your country has been seized by a death cult that wanted to initiate a new President by inflicting some senseless death that had no political purpose beyond the display of killing randos to prove you're in the death cult. This, our news media announced, made Trump "presidential". That Trump would do such a thing is not surprising. That the liberal media believes this display of death cult insanity that served no purpose is somehow "presidential", and that the press didn't even seem to care and went back to saying Trump was a poopyhead, is the real horrifying thing. That senseless death for the sake of the death cult ultimately changed nothing, but this is what we are told makes leaders great. It's the perfect slice of why America is a goddamn shithole and the world is Hell for having America do this shit.
>>1159296 petition to ban r9k
>>1159316 > shitlib oh youre that anon.
>>1159246 I have noticed that most women on tinder look like prostitutes now, most of them probably are, especially those thai girls. But yeah I know, "not all women".
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>thread about OnlyFans devolves into incel shittery Like clockwork.
>>1159342 Hey it was a good thread up until someone started talking about banning porn
>>1159342 The board is 99.99% young men, and 90% young SINGLE men.
>>1159343 Because it’s just about the most puritanical and impractical shit, and people worshipping the DPRK are just pathetic. I don’t have an issue with the DPRK overall, but thinking that a total state takeover and destruction or anonymity and encryption is a good thing or a thing that will do anything other than immediately turn people off of socialism is laughable and utterly deluded, it’s in the same level as vegans who just can’t grasp that nobody likes them or wants their whining around
>>1159254 Rent free
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>>1159364 >rent free! rent free!
>>1159363 If I can't violently enforce my personal morals upon every single person, then is it REALLY socialism???
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>>1157485 >The point of socialism is to completely reconstruct society on a *social* basis >mfw socialism is not about making a higher moral ground system. It is about class struggle, worker struggle, and a mode of production
>>1159296 The Syrian bombing was evil, sure, but it would only truly be dystopic if mankind wasn’t beset by war and worshipping war mongers for millennia
>>1157581 >Why people cry about liberalism when it is literally the least offensive version of capitalism
Sex workers are victims as much as the factory workers. But in both cases there is such things as bootlickers and they both belong to siberia
>>1158566 Yeh and in Cuba sex workers are known as “jintera” which means bull rider which means they are the one in control. This is the one culture I know of where it is like this, all across the world it isn’t. Getting fucked in the ass for money though isn’t you taking advantage of somebody though, it’s the reserve army of labour taking its toll on you
>>1157776 this. if you read enough dzherzinsky you will see he was a lover of humanity, only retarded tankies and libs believe he was some sort of baby-eater
>>1157766 anon... thats just normal cuckoldry
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>>1157758 this guy comes along and hits on your girl, wyd?
If I have sex with multiple people and it's all for free because we like it, do I go to gulag or no?
>>1159611 >Make thread about how disturbing the modern trend of paying for false intimacy online to escape social isolation and an outwardly atomized society is <Devolves into non-stop arguments about hookers, porn, drugs, video games, incels, and sexhavers
>>1159619 You have only yourself to blame
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i can't get a gf because of capitalism.
>>1159619 You're must be a newfag if you didn't see this coming when you wrote your OP. This is what happens literally every fucking time OnlyFans or porn is mentioned on this board.
>>1158362 Sounds boring as fuck, especially the bikinis part. Honestly I just find it hilarious when Juchetards reveal themselves to be crypto trad reactionaries.
>>1160239 >you can't have your own clothes everyone must wear burger clothing
>>1160246 Fuck Jeans fuck bikinis fuck America and your retarded "culture"
>>1160246 are you retarded? burger clothing is only predominant because of capitalism imposing burger culture on all, end capitalism and you end cultural imperialism, no need to fucking ban jeans and bikinis. and bikinis aren't even a burger creation either.
>>1160246 >having your own clothes >Being forced by the state to wear le based trad cloths that literally every culture ever has had. Not the same thing. Oh and you're a retard if you think jeans and bikinis are "burger cloths"
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>>1160250 >Fuck Jeans fuck bikinis fuck America and your retarded "culture"
>>1159224 only if they ask for candy
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>>1160239 >liberal-socialist fusionism designed to appeal to degenerate westerners is the REAL communism >USSR? North Korea? Fake communism.
>>1160252 They aren't banned dprk just doesn't produce them and they can't import shit there is also no reason to import American shit Sowjetunion went downhill when people started consuming us shit
>>1160255 The obviously are no one was wearing this shit before American cultural hegemony
>>1160265 >Sowjetunion went downhill when people started consuming us shit <if only the people didn't listen to the beatles, communism would never have fallen absolutely idealist take
>>1160280 >I can't touch it so it's not part of material reality Culture has a big impact that's why the US funnels so much money into movies series etc
>it's another radlibs confuse socialism with liberal individualism episode
>>1160280 >if only retards didn't have unrealistic desires for consumerist garbage when the point of communism is providing a sustainable society where everyone has food, shelter, medicine and clothing then the USSR wouldn't have wasted precious resources pointlessly competing with the USA and Japan on GDP and pop culture shit that literally did not matter Yes.jpg People who think that they'll be a commissar of furry art commissions in the communist state, paid in nintendos and funkopops, are absolute fucking cancer and the reason most 'socialists' suck massive dicks and can only be defined as useful idiots. Opposing 'degeneracy' is effective because it attracts beefsteaks who might be attracted to any ideology that promises the removal of global bourgeoisie from their backs while also getting rid of absolutely worthless retards who think socialism="i wish I was a unicorn and daddy Bernie will make it happen for me :DDD" that tard up discussions on sustainability and how to keep people alive and not starving, when some fat neckbearded 39yo twitter movie reviewer aka Movie Blob thinks that socialism is about directly depositing star trek blue rays into his fucking mailbox for the oh-so-important task of doing literally nothing useful. If you want socialism to actually work you need to not be a fucking retard that expends precious resources trying to chase capitalcucks whose system is inherently based on debts which finance shit out of nothing, which ironically is closer to the "pull the new playstation out of my ass" that these absolute fucking brainlet "socialists" sipping their 8 dollar lattes actually want. Are we talking about a society where chicks get their vagoo sewed up for looking at a boy they like? No. We're talking about the deliberately and worthless enshrinement of garbage that benefits literally no one and drags people down into "cool" addictions like buying useless garbage and doing drugs that are only """"sustainable"""" in a shit-tier debt-driven capitalcuck society where the FED moneyprinters go BRR and brainlets complaian their money buys less and less because dumbfuckers don't understand inflation and why 'free money' is a total fucking meme. This is why the socialist paradigm should focus directly on goods like housing and medicine, not on trying to make a communist version of Taylor Swift.
>>1160280 The soviet union might exist if they had built a comparable culture industry. I know the frankfurt boys bemoan the fact that culture became mass produced like commodities on a factory floor. But that's just the base influencing the superstructure. It only makes sense that as the mode of production changes so too goes how societies produce culture itself. Its idealistic that locally produced plays/music/food ect can compete with entire industries pumping out lifetimes worth of content a lot of it for free and distributing into people pockets. Or won't just get absorbed into those sane industries like food recipes do. One thing I've noticed and while it's brought up it doesn't seem to connect. That artist have become prols working in sweatshop conditions in the culture industry. Maybe one of the first steps towards revolution in the first world is unionizing the artist.
>>1160321 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAG-AFTRA Not only does that shit already exist but it has helped literally no one because Hollywood is bourgeois cancer that occasionally wears a Bernie 4 prez shirt.
>>1160310 Dangerously based post.
>>1160333 That's just 1 union and only covers a handful of actors. Who needs to be unionize is the support staff, writers, and animators. And the goal wouldn't be "a communist version of Taylor swift". It would be seizing the culture industry to promote communist value. This would be liberating for the artist who im sure are tired of pumping out Capshit year after year.
>>1160321 >he soviet union might exist if they had built a comparable culture industry. But they did fund culture, they funded everything except lowest common denominator commercial padding for adverts. If the USSR had made Call of duty, you would start out as soldier, the first bullet you catch ends the shooting battle simulation and you would play as military messenger bringing a folded flag to parents of the dead soldiers, then you would play as funeral manager trying to source headstones, find engravers and fuel for the incineration oven, then comes a simulation where you reclaim battle field material where you wade through corpses to find unused ammo and toe back burned out tanks for metal recycling after that comes a military training instructor role where you assign soldiers to survivable missions or to become cannon fodder.
>>1160394 God I hate social realism so much.
>>1160006 >>1160226 Damn So I’m a newfag because I expected more out of leftypol?
>>1160394 Sounds based ngl
>>1160474 I don't think they meant it as an insult. Incels are the worst wreckers on this board. I read your OP and got immediately discouraged, because it is a very interesting topic of discussion, but OnlyFans is a trigger word for incels.
>>1160486 >>1160474 (me) something you can do, and I've seen it work several times, is get the main (good) ideas of this thread and create a new thread that is more focused on your overarching thesis, explicitly avoiding discussion about the worst parts (eg the normative discussion about so called "e-thots" and the regulation of porn). Burger puritanism is a fucking cancer.
>>1160492 Yea, sorry about that Tbh I usually don’t engage much in the threads I make after the first 30 replies which is usually where the good discussion is located
Vtuber shit is such a bizarre phenomenon that no one in 20th century could've imagined. Men are so lonely that they donate hundreds of dollars for women pretending to be 2D kawaii waifus playing games. Just what the fuck is going on
ASMR isn't just girlfriend experience stuff, which is obvious and other people have commented on. I think the idea of ContentTM made to relax to is in itself a product of capitalism though. Porky has people so wired up all the time it's almost like we're in a perpetual manic state. You either gotta work you you gotta consume, constantly. It's not really surprising that people would need help managing stress, anxiety, etc to be able to relax. The fact that this happens through online ContentTM is a reflection on how much people are glued to these devices (although to be fair there's a wealth of ContentTM and much of it is different from what you can experience IRL in your immediate vicinity). ASMR is notable because unlike most ContentTM, it has a focus on tactility over simply being audiovisual. It's not actually tactile though, since these are still video/audio clips. It's just that people use things like 3D/binaural sound to simulate objects in a space around you, and high fidelity audio to give you a crisp feels-like-I'm-there feeling when you hear the sounds. Even the "visual trigger" stuff usually involves things like hand movements that are intended to create an illusion of interactivity and proximity. The simulated tactility suggests to me maybe more than the GF simulator stuff how alienated so many people are. Somebody going tfw no gf is alienated from society and romance, but if you're seeking out simulated tactility that implies to some degree that you're alienated from yourself and your physical contact with reality.
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Y'all are listening to the wrong ASMR.
>>1160799 I want to eat those marshmallows
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>>1157204 >They managed to normalize cybernetic prostitution.
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>>1157381 Jesus Christ.
>>1160394 Red Orchestra 3 - make it happen
>>1160310 Are there that many "beefsteaks" out there in the wild though? It seems like they are about as useful as the sorts who are unironic soibois and shit. I also just don't get the whole issue of some people hating on homosexuals here either to be honest. That being said this is an overall pretty good post.
>>1157381 Repackaged sex (keeps) your interest Repackaged sex (keeps) your interest Repackaged sex (keeps) your interest Repackaged sex (keeps) your interest Repackaged sex (keeps) your interest Repackaged sex (keeps) your interest
>>1158362 >Bikinis and jeans are illegal Absolutely haram
>>1158863 This but unironically Fuck coomers and fuck their enablers
>>1160310 >Opposing 'degeneracy' is effective because it attracts beefsteaks who might be attracted to any ideology that promises the removal of global bourgeoisie All the people I've met over the years whining about duhgenewacy have been rabid reactionary anti-communists. You go have fun allying with petite bourg poljaks, but I'll stick with my "degenerate" friends who are far more communist than the crypto-Naz"""bol""" (stupid)/pol/ transplants ITT.
>>1160732 >ContentTM This phrase, which I don't know what it means, reminded me of another online phenomenon. The so called "degeneracy tubers", alcoholics and other addicts who stream their binges on youtube and twitch. They beg for donations in exchange for "content". This "content" is naturally dumb shit, mainly trying to get beaten up and being a general asshole, or consuming OD doses of booze or other drugs. I wonder if this phenomenon too is international?
>>1161399 >about duhgenewacy have been rabid reactionary anti-communists And? Opposing consumer culture is not a right wing talking point
Making furry porn doesnt really contribute to oppression of workers.
>>1161696 It does. It reinforces the whole capitalist apparatus.
>>1161468 ContentTM as in stuff produced online for people to consume and to make money instead of saying things you think need to be said like any normal, non-commodified use of a public platform.
>>1160310 >comparing jeans (clothing) and music (culture) to fucking funkopops what the fuck is this even? i hope you realise that socialist society still needs culture, and even under socialism people will want to have some kind of consumer goods available. they might not be such vapid, useless consumerist shit as you get today, but it is still necessary in some form. the biggest proof of this was the explosion of avant garde art right after the russian revolution, thanks to the people finally being unchained to pursue their visions. if you haven't learned that from history already then you must be some kind of retard, the last thing you do is double down on a proven mistake.
>>1158362 reason #385 not to visit north korea
>>1157217 commodifying yourself = cringe
>>1162214 Because it's still consooooming. If you consoooome you are reinforcing capitalism.
>>1157402 This cringetard LARPer kids look the same as 4chan boogaloo neckbeards. It looks pathetic to insiders and outsiders alike.
>>1162498 You are a genius, we will just boycott capitalism! Why did nobody think of this?
>>1162517 I mean, consooming is pretty dumb and unnecessary and I don't understand how people can afford it, but abstaining from consooming is not a revolutionary act. It's just lifestylism.
>>1162517 Karl Marx failed to consider abstinence.
If a trading between 2 individuals, who aren't even companies, contributes to capitalism: Then everything you do contributes to capitalism. It's not a company or corporation making your comissioned (furry) porn. It's one indivudal being paid by another. Something as simple as buying food is more supportive of a corporation than that.
>>1157217 >Dude why do you care about the social well being of your community bro that's libtard thinking I'm glad that you guys on this side at least see the issues of hedonism and that neolibs and libertarians are fucking cringe.
>>1157339 Shut the fuck up coomer
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>>1158830 >Puritanism is a disease of the burger left.
>>1158585 Except for the fact that the act of prostitution inherently drives a divisive wedge between the sexes, and is not at all proletarian
>>1158585 >All workers sell their body This shit again. Let me make it simple for you: a miner's product has nothing to do with their body. Porky is happy if he gets his coal, he doesn't care about the miner's appearance. Same goes for most jobs; e.g. a haircut has nothing to do with the body of the person who did it, and a pie could have been baked by a robot for all you care. But sex requires the presence of another person and their body. Even if it's a sex robot, there's a reason sex robots are made to look and feel as human as possible. In this sense, sex workers sell their body in a way other workers do not.
>>1165391 This Basically Regular workers sell labor power, i.e. their capacity to do work They aren’t actually selling their bodies
>>1165651 They literally are this is precisely what alienation means >>1165391 Nevertheless good point here
>>1158362 Why are bikinis and jeans illegal?
Yeah it’s dystopic, it’s your dystopia so have fun with it
>>1157339 >art >sexual expression you could use a 7.62x39 brain surgery
>>1164605 >coomer wojak plus a completely different person and argument means he's wrong This is a self demonstrating issue at this point.
>>1157396 FSLN anon based as usual >>1157413 this just sounds sad >>1157495 this
>>1174460 Would be expensive to import, and become a unattainable status symbol for a few people. North Korea can't make jeans because cotton fields would compete with food resources. North Korea makes vinylon textiles (juche fiber) that is part of the national self sufficiency doctrine, it's made from hard coal, anthracite and synthetic polymers which does not use up agriculture fields. Vinylon is super durable and fire-resistant, much more than jeans-cloth but it's also stiff and hard to make color stick to it so clothes don't look as fashionable. I doubt Bikinis are banned, but they have a lot of dress code committees for almost all of their communal occasions. You can look at photos from north Korean swimming pools they aren't prudes.
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>>1159116 They're GF simulator videos LARPing as "relaxing videos to help you sleep". Its basically emotional porn. I remember seeing threads on half-chan about it and like half the girls making ASMR videos on YouTube are unironic camwhores who have a bunch of porn out there. As it turns out there isn't a huge jump from going from porn to ASMR and vice versa. The dystopic aspect I think comes from it being a type of market solution to satiate loneliness due to things like lack of economic opportunity and social atomization for males. ASMR is like a type of strange parasocial relationship simulator for a increasingly large group of people with no real prospects in life. I have no doubt that "JOI" from the new Blade Runner movie was 100% inspired from ASMR.

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