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New Zealand Anonymous 10/17/2020 (Sat) 15:45:57 No. 1008911
The Labour Party won the elections in New Zealand. Are they better or worse or the same when compared to European socdems? What do we think of them?
>>1008911 Succdem
>>1008911 Ah yes new zealand What happened to that tarrant guy?
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>>1008930 A Succdem country in the pacific is a big deal when you remember that the world's biggest Socdem country, China, also has geopolitical and strategic competition with the USA in the pacific.
>>1008939 1) They're part of Five Eyes 2) Their location is the most strategically irrelevant i could think of
>>1008911 Labour is very center, I wouldn't even really call them soccdem. Completely neo-liberal and uncritical of capitalism. The leader, Jacinda, apparently used to be a "socialist" and claims "neo-liberalism is dead". But I have yet to see or hear about any changes that positively affect the working class, or minorities. Child poverty in particular continues to get worse under Labour.
>>1008935 Prison forever
>>1008952 The penguins or the aussies could go rogue and we need a place to launch the nukes to get them you know?
It's apparently one of the biggest landslides in New Zealand's modern history, and the first time in 70 years that a single party will be able to form a majority government there on their own without needing any coalition partners. Also the Greens picked up seats and the Maori party won a seat. The losers were the conservative National Party which is now a rump minority, and the right-wing populist NZ First party which lost all its seats. RIP. /pol/ has been full of butthurt and devastation about this so I'm fine with the result. I don't know anything more than what I've already wrote about internal Kiwi politics. Apparently her government has handled the coronavirus very well. I don't know how much the Christchurch shooting had a role to play in this as well, although it certainly does for /pol/ since they tried to turn /theirguy/ into a saint. Well, if that had an "accelerationist" effect, well then those morons did a brilliant job.
>>1008911 basically they're left-neoliberal. substantially better than National, but their record in government has been disappointing and there are worrying signs it's not likely to move to the left after today's win. the prior Labour government (lead by Helen Clark from 1999-2008) was much more impressive in its historical moment. Again neoliberal, but did a lot more of interest - renationalized air new zealand and the railways, created a state owned bank, set up a proper tax credits system ("tax credits" being a weird name for a form of low income welfare), improved health, kept out of iraq, slashed rents in state owned housing, and improved labour and union rights, etc. it was still neoliberal in macroeconomic management, but it's probably the only leftish party that actually made a lasting positive impact by being in government during that period. (contrast Britain's New Labour and the German SPD, who fucked up way more than they fixed.) basically, the party doesn't deserve uncritical support and they've been a disappointment this time around even given the historical moment, but the uncritical loathing they'll no doubt attract from certain kinds of /leftypol/ user is misguided and overlooks the potential for a far more interesting analysis of the options and limitations available to electoralists. >>1008952 NZ is one of the safest locations in the world, which perversely makes it very strategically important. Half of silicon valley wants to buy a bunker there in case something happens in the US. Plus in the more extreme climate change scenarios NZ remains habitable while Antarctica gets opened up, with NZ being one of the last stopping points en-route on that side of the world.
>>1008995 Should be the wall if you asked me
>>1008939 >pic Yes thats me I want to have sex
>>1008911 Is there a communist party in NZ? How did they do this election?
>>1009350 I’d hire you as chief torturer any day
>>1009350 Ok satan
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Is New Zealand the only Anglo country that isn't absolutely retarded?
I mean they're succdems at best but I'll take that over nothing >>1009563 based
NeoLiberal
New Zealand - Somebody Elses Country Full Doco https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJQvKIHV6n4
>>1008911 The Prime Minister seems very down to earth, I saw her with the wholesome twitch woodworking streamer here: https://youtu.be/yViVVRpZoEw
>>1009224 >and the right-wing populist NZ First party which lost all its seats Arent those seats picked up by another right wing party.
>>1010457 she's examining his wood
>>1009304 >Again neoliberal >but ... renationalized air new zealand and the railways, created a state owned bank, set up a proper tax credits system ("tax credits" being a weird name for a form of low income welfare), improved health, kept out of iraq, slashed rents in state owned housing, and improved labour and union rights, etc. brah this sounds like a dream right now
>>1010457 holy shit there are people here who are convinced by the charismatic psychopath politician bullshit? She's basically trump with a cunt
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>>1010732 >She's basically trump with a cunt
>>1009414 From what I can tell, there's one: The Communist League. They usually don't even get 0.01% of the vote, from what I can tell they didn't run.
>>1011073 >The Communist League Bund der Kommunisten?!
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>>1008911 how will the alt-lite COPE with the fact that "gun grabbers" won out after their "le based" mass shooting?

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