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Anonymous 07/24/2020 (Fri) 06:41:13 No. 714557
Hey I'm a Catholic with strong (and increasing) socialist sympathies. It seems to me that traditional the anti-religious animus of is tied to the fact that the Church was once an important institution of the ancien regime/ruling class. But that's pretty much over at this point. The religion of the ruling class is woke neoliberal secular humanism. So is straightforward anti-clericalism from socialists in 2020 an anachronism? I really hope so
I like how some people still throw around retard like its somehow ok. but say the n-word once and you're gone. double standard much?
>>738348 >secular religion religion is when people believe things
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>>738365 You just Hitch slapped yourself. You basically proved the point that no matter how many big words you try to use, you're mentally incapable of thinking outside your religious bubble. Which means your opinion on atheism and science dont matter.
>>738384 >implying i'm religious Are you even familiar with Kuhn's work?
>>738381 Ok nīgger
>>738387 You've already demonstrated you dont know the difference between science, religion, secularism, and atheism; why would I continue any further dialog with you? You have the view on science and atheism as that of the average fox news viewer.
>>738378 >then I'd expect atheists to keep their "non-belief" out of it as well. using logic, ofc. In what sense?
>>738383 and they've created an altar around the scientific method, which applies to any argument in this day and age, or so the gatekeepers say. >>738388 yeah I prefer that, thank you fellow sambo
>>738389 Calm down, the Kuhn post was my first post in this thread. So are you familiar with his work or not?
>>738391 by not foisting it on the general population, which many socialist nations failed to do. if you really want consistency, the state should neither support or oppress any religion. of course this is a "best possible worlds scenario"
>>738348 "I fukken luv science and shiet!" might be a religion but scientific theory is not.
>>738392 Who are the scientists praying to? God of testable hypothesis? Big book of big bangs?
>>738396 Enforcing state atheism was very good for China. They're over 40% atheist now.
>>738399 hate to play devil's advocate here but they also have arbitary morals as a result.
>>738399 I agree. Oppression of religion is a very good thing. The nonsense surrounding all religions should not be protected.
>>738397 yeah but its just a "theory" not a plausible "fact"
>>738406 I'm sorry your father drank a lot and wasn't in your life very much.
>>738402 You're going to need to present some evidence for that. How does one even go about scientifically studying morals anyways?
>>738402 All morals from an "authority" are arbitrary.
>>738402 >they also have arbitary morals Like the always very moral popes and kings of medieval Europe who were super religious? Are we really sliding into this sort of idealism that the ideology is primary to creating our behaviour?
>>738409 They cant, thats the point. Thats why religion cannot play moral high ground (but they sure will try).
>>738408 You seem to be projecting. Are you on here trying to witness to fill a void in your life?
>>738408 Projection and rent-free cope. Sums up religious fags like you.
>>738407 Theory is a very robust and substantiated thing anon. Way more so than any religion.
>>738408 >I'm sorry your father drank a lot and wasn't in your life very much. The true face of Christian forgiveness shows itself. More proof that religion is currently not much more than a mile lifestyle choice for most.
So, should I go for Orthodox Catholicism or Roman Catholicism? They seem more based when compared to other protestant strands of Christianity, protestantism is in general pretty cringe overall.
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>>714557 No I think you should be anti-religious if your a leftist, Religion is the negation of human freedom. As to be religious forces you to attain to strict set of values and actions as to disobey, God or Gods will only lead to torment. For example if your religion calls for you to be straight and repress gay thoughts, besides limiting your ability to be free it also limits your ability to be happy. As your constantly self hating if your gay and religious or those around you who are religious including your own family hate and despise you for being born with something out of your control. And religion like nationalism divides humanity into factions who each despise one another, justifies treating one another with like they are less than human. And if you think about what kind of Loving God will torture for something it gave you in the first place. Bakunin perfectly laid out why religion is the negation of humanity, in his book god and the state https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/michail-bakunin-god-and-the-state
>>738433 Neither, religion is garbage. Go read the god delusion and other atheist works to rid your mind of that nonsense.
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>>738433 Become a Quaker.
>>738437 >Recommending garbage modern pop atheism Don't bother, >>738433 go read Marx, Engels, Lenin, and Stalin instead.
>>738443 Why not Feuerbach's Essence of Christianity?
>>738443 That pop atheism is denting religion hard bro. Because it points out the flaws, shows that it adds no value to ones life and lacks any proof for a reason to believe in a god.
>>738454 People constantly rag on these nu-atheists and their followers as being neck beard virgins, their only arguments against religion, are science proves God didn't make the earth in seven days shit. And half the time these people just become reactionaries just because it becomes the cool thing to hate the SJWs. Marx and Bakunin had way better reasons to be anti-religious than these clowns.
>>738465 While it is true you can "argue" that religion is bad for working class. You can ommit the need to argue at all by shifting the entire burden of proof on the religious individual to actually prove through reason, logic, and evidence that their belief is actually true. They cant, and probably never will be able to.
>>738472 you actually think belief is based on "reason, logic and evidence" in the first place? have you ever met a religious person or
>>738422 Then so is gayness, blackness, and other forms of construction
>>738478 The fact that you dont think to them its any of this has me questioning if you have?
>>714557 Late 19th century Catholic social teaching is some of the most sublime,progressive and based political philosophy ever conceived outside standard leftist circles. It's also superior to many degenerated leftist philosophies today. T. ex prod - now agnostic
>>738374 >my sweet summer child Go back to reddit you literal fucking subhuman
>>716086 Someone can recognise the repeated crimes of the church regardless of their sexual preferences.
>>716102 >The orthodox church in Russia canonized Nicky This little fact always baffles me, why would they canonise the guy who is most notable for driving Russia into the ground, losing several wars he shouldn't have gotten into, had protestors shot and then got executed because of all this. The church will revert to reactionary thinking wherever it is free to do so.
>>714609 >America has a Christian industrial complex Buddy, uh pal, this isn't the 80's and 90's anymore. Yes the bible shows up in ceremonial activities and yes there are some ancient televangelists still alive and kicking, but for the most part the mainstream right has abandoned religious legitimacy. A good number of right wing figures aren't even religious anymore, they instead worship ideas like the 'free market' or 'ethnostates.'
>>738407 t. Scientifically illiterate dumbass A scientific theory is a reproducible and falsifiable model of reality based upon facts and empirical observations; a theory is not NOT the same thing as a hypothesis. Theories and facts aren't in some hierarchy of "truthfulness" with facts being higher than theories; rather, theories incorporate facts to create an explanation of natural phenomena that can be tested and falsified. Theories that have better predictive power and produce a more accurate model of nature are kept, while inferior and less accurate theories are discarded
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>>714557 Acts 2:44-45, >"All who believed were together and had all things in common; 45 they would sell their possessions and goods and distribute the proceeds to all, as any had need." Acts 4:32-35, >"Now the whole group of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one claimed private ownership of any possessions, but everything they owned was held in common. ... 34 There was not a needy person among them, for as many as owned lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold. 35 They laid it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need." Matthew 6:24: >"No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money." Act 11:29: >"29 Then the disciples, every man according to his ability, determined to send relief unto the brethren which dwelt in Judaea" Acts 4:35: >"[...] to the emissaries to distribute to each according to his need".
>>738488 you think people choose to be black or gay?
>>738422 >The true face of Christian forgiveness shows itself. Someone has to repent to be forgiven. >Luke 17:3 Pay attention to yourselves! If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him,
>>740713 1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. 3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? 5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
>>740258 >h-hey look guys!!!! bible baste!!!!!!! <5 cherrypicked verses
>>740258 Good job its impossible to cherrypick parts from the bible that paint a far less nice picture of Christianity.
ah yes, the secular humanist US empire... look, you could just study the relationship of party and religious socialists and ask genuine questions but this bad faith retarded nonsense where you pull your /pol/ack ideological shit out of your ass and try to sell it as antiliberal right wing third positionist wokeness or whatever the fuck this shit you try to pull, shouldn't have a place here and you can take that and fuck right back off from where you came from

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