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For New Anons and Lurkers: FAQ, rules, and reading list Anonymous Board volunteer 07/05/2020 (Sun) 20:23:05 No. 668788 [Reply] [Last]
🚨🚨READ THIS FIRST BEFORE POSTING🚨🚨 Visual Guide for New Anons https://bunkerchan.xyz/.media/e7c5eab9a4fa215d646e6c8aaee497ef-imagepng.png Do not put your e-mail in the e-mail field First, Please read this OP. Since we're leftists, there shouldn't be many differences ideologically, but our community has its own jargon and idiosyncrasies which might be jarring to outsiders. Second, although we allow slurs, we are anti-bigotry and it will not be tolerated. Thirdly, the board has an anti-idpol rule. Meaning that discussion of idpol topics is not allowed. There is some flexibility. Where that flexibility is also requires some time to get the feel of it. Fourthly, don't put anything in the name, or email fields. Don't doxx yourself Search the catalog before starting a new thread to avoid duplicates: https://bunkerchan.xyz/leftypol/catalog.html Useful threads are often remade when expired, search the catalog if these links are broken. Questions That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread >>719970 Market Watch >>8552 Internet General >>637502 Original Creations (Memes) >>419177 Leftypol Minecraft server >>>/games/880 (IP: Bunkerchan.aternos.me it's cracked, so anyone can join without paying for minecraft)

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>>>/tech/3840 Greenify the deserts programme
What would be good intro books if I want some lit on leftist history / to understand the left? I was recommended Capitalist Realism, but I didn't like it. It used too much pop culture references and citations of dense philosophers I don't have time to read (Zizek, Baidou, etc.). I want to know why leftists are anti-capitalist and what their positions are (maybe including brief overview of the tendencies too, you all define socialism differently!).
>>744719 oof, that was a bad recommendation for what you want. There are some typically recommended essays, like Why Socialism by Einstein, The Soul of Man Under Socialism by Oscar Wilde, the Communist Manifesto by Marx. I'd also recommend the Sixth Declaration of the Lacandon Jungle, if you speak spanish, the october of 1912 speech of Emiliano Zapata. Longer reading I'd say the Conquest of Bread by Piotr Kropotkin is an interesting read. tl;dr capitalism sucks and we live in a post-scarcity society since the 1900s. All suffering related to scarcity on earth is optional and a choice we take collectively every day. If you want to understand how this happens, you'd need to go deeper into theory, Capital Vol 1 at least, and other things like Ideology and State Apparatus, by Althusser, probably some Zizek even if you don't like him or his ideas, he has interesting ideas. Why leftists in general are anti-capitalist, depends on the leftist. I think most leftist have an "anti-bootlicker" (or in /pol/ terms "anti-cuck") sentiment. They understand that society is organized so that proles contribute more to society than they get back. Many have a general distrust to authority. Honestly the "different tendencies" is kind of a meme. The general aims are similar and differences are irrelevant until one actually comes into power. The biggest difference is how people organize, MLs tend to stale party politics, anarchists tend to be too disorganized to do shit. Doing shit is the most important and hardest part.
What are some good sources on the history of modern police, especially in the US? I want to class pill some normies who are being disillusioned by the current historical moment.
>>744626 Fuck ecology and fuck precaution programme

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USA and national oppression Anonymous 08/04/2020 (Tue) 20:11:18 No. 745485 [Reply] [Last]
What are your thoughts on the calls for national liberation and self-determination for the Black Belt, Aztlan, First Nations etc? And please no one call this 'Sakaist', this shit is elementary Leninism applied to the USA.
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>>746483 >Nope Hmmmm doubt >Employed in a trade and have never used illicit drugs Good for you. 2 + points
>>746493 Brown nazis wtf is nBPOC? something something people of colour
>>746509 They're not even nazis, its just ultra-left idealism. I know this person, their political line is basically non-existant. They just rile themselves up all time looking at horrible shit white people really did do, and then act on impulse.
>>746521 When I say I "know" them, I mean I know of them on twitter.
>>746509 Black and People of Colour i guess Radlibs seem to hate indigenous people now.

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/IG/ Internet General Anonymous Board volunteer 07/29/2020 (Wed) 23:34:23 No. 731360 [Reply] [Last]
Discuss e-celebs, lefty youtube, twitter, twitch, etc. New 'actually moderated' flavour! Now with 100% less idpol guaranteed!
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>>746492 >He's a right winger wat no seriously, I know you guys accuse each other of being revisionists, chauvinists, horseshoe-ers, shitlibs, and such...but how is vaush a rightoid >>746494 >Sort of, yes, but only nebously. He never really commits to any strict political stand-point. that's very unusual for a leftist in my experience, you guys love labels. does he do this for his e-celeb career, so it's a bit harder to debate him?
>>746489 >ye he seems like a dipshit sociology major that looked into coops and read some rationalwiki articles. does he claim to be marxist/anarchist? He invokes whatever wins his epic debate selectively. He's an incoherent idiot who goes in the pit. >i think that might get me assaulted Trust me, they love it.
>>746507 >but how is vaush a rightoid He's let out some right wing talking points in the past. Im sure some anon here knows the exact specifics, but I remember this thread shitting itself over it.
>>746510 >Trust me, they love it. ya i'm sure they would love the assault part in all seriousness I was thinking about showing up to a PSL conference or something >>746522 >He's let out some right wing talking points in the past. Im sure some anon here knows the exact specifics, but I remember this thread shitting itself over it. i'm sure it wasn't bad enough to make him able to be my friend
Why is the amazing atheist still popular? Didn't he get exposed for pedophilia or something?

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Anonymous 08/05/2020 (Wed) 01:29:31 No. 746505 [Reply] [Last]
what's idealism and how is it different from materialism?
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>>746505 Idealism (as we mean it) is the belief ideas are the primary driver of history, liberalism vs conservatism, constitutionalism vs absolutism, etc. Materialism rejects that notion and posits that the material conditions, such as geography, economy, etc. are the primary driver of history, with ideas being secondary to it, and shaped by the material reality, which we call the superstructure.
>>746512 By what stardard does a question not deserve it's own thread?
It's a meme, whatever you don't agree with you call 'idealism', when you get a reply you say 'read a book' Alternatively you can say "reactionary"
>>746519 ah, so materialism is just bullshit. got it
>>746519 tfw when "materialism" itself is an idea

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Is Recycling Bullshit? Anonymous 08/05/2020 (Wed) 01:08:01 No. 746455 [Reply] [Last]
Rarely I hear leftists mention offhand that recycling either "isn't enough", "is insignificant" or even "causes more emissions than it tries to prevent", but have never actually seen the numbers for it. Back when Penn and Teller did their episode about it ("Recycling is Bullshit"), they only came across as the contrarian edgelords they are, and I wouldn't and didn't put it past them to cite statistics out of context to make their point. Another place you can hear about it is from Certified Soyboy Adam Conover, who in fact falls into the exact same category. So what actually is the truth about recycling? PDFs are more than welcome, as long as they're well-written and know what they're talking about - preferably something more scientific and dry than something written by some pop-sci asshole who would rather present things in black and white. If recycling is indeed a huge waste of time and energy, we can use that to show normies how little foresight capitalism really has, wasting energy and resources in the long run just to appear wiser momentarily.
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>>746502 you capture the carbon in my anus and then i fard and shid it out
>>746502 >you're releasing carbon which can be recaptured so it doesn't enter the atmosphere
>>746518 and how do you do it so cheaply it's better than not burning the thing in the first place?
>>746476 /thread
>>746518 Not as easy as it sounds and not possible to do it in an area where you burn shit for energy.

What do you guys make of the new George Floyd video Anonymous 08/04/2020 (Tue) 14:47:00 No. 744393 [Reply] [Last]
Reddit reactionaries are screeching about how its going to btfo the Left, but I don't really see it to be fair. It literally shows nothing new. Either way I can't wait for the happenings if Chauvin gets acquitted. Don't know if I can link the video because Reddit, but it's literally everywhere.
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>>746062 >reifying race >no we're totally different from the settlers
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>>745973 >He should have mentioned slave catchers and strike breakers, but the point is true So you are claiming that humans can genetically encode complex behaviour within a few centuries ? How does that work ? It can't be regular natural selection because that's way to short of a time-frame for that >>745974 >Monkey banana ladder hose experiment that's pseudo science >>746062 >It means their behaviour and tactics are moulded from slave catchers and genocidal scum. moulded ? is that a technical term? doesn't explain shit >That's why they act as judge, jury and executioner - because that's how your settler ancestors were like. Sorry. lol racist and presumptuous ---- given the lack of a material analysis, "Settler" seems to just be dog-whistle politics
>>746285 >All police encounters are like this egregious example ok retard
>>746397 It's not even dog whistling, it's just thought-terminating emotional rhetoric.
>>746430 No, but for a lot of people in poor communities, any encounter with the police has the potential to get them killed.

ACAB alternative Anonymous 08/04/2020 (Tue) 23:20:18 No. 746146 [Reply] [Last]
The left's attitude towards the police is seriously warped to the point it makes us deny basic realities and result in wrecking our own organizations and forget our class politics. Just a few examples. I personally know an anarcho-feminist who claims was beaten and raped by a fellow leftist, a politician no less. When I was told this my first question was: "did she call the police?" The answer was: "no, she's an anarchist!" The most idiotic thing ever, because what if he goes on and rapes another woman? As a supposed feminist it is your duty to protect your fellow women and as an anarchist it is your duty to demand justice and legitimate punishment regardless of what form it comes in. Instead she asked her comrades to start a gossip "war," basically a smear campaign, because if you don't put your money where your mouth is and call the police people will naturally be skeptical of your claim. Then there was the case between two anarchist collectives in America (I don't even bother googling the case for you, because it's such a typical ailment of the new left) where someone from the first collective accused someone of the second collective of sexual harassment and both groups agreed not to call the police. The second group asked to uphold due process and hear both sides of the story together to which came the accusation that they are already victim blaiming. That is to say "we don't have to prove shit, if you don't kick him out, your group is reactionary." Thus the solidarity deteriorated between the two groups. The alternative, again, would have been to call the police because it's the only third party that has a certain degree of neutral commitment in this case (yes, I know, it's a bourgeois legal system, but it jails actual rapists all the time if you haven't noticed yet). This could have saved the solidarity between the two groups, but the left chose instead to cannibalize itself instead. (Because all of the cases I know of, and because it can be used as baseless wrecking, hell, even as CIA ops -- see the manufactured Assange case -- I became the fervent supporter of communist parties adopting the following policy: if there's no sufficient proof [no alibi, eyewitnesses, physical evidence, etc.] of a crime that would uphold in a court of law, the accuser is obliged to inform the cops, and the accused has to have his membership suspended for the duration of the official investigation. If the legal system can't decide, the comrade must be readmitted and the two separated into different branches of the org if both wish to stay and work towards communism. If he's proven guilty, he gets kicked out for life for hindering our cause. If she's proven to have been making up the case she gets kicked out. Professional revolutionary practice requires you to be vigilant and live a collective life inside the party and separate your private life. A communist party is not a social club. It's not recommended to marry inside the party, because if you divorce and gets dirty, the cause could loose one of you. It's not recommended to go to pubs together with comrades, because alcohol leads to dumb shit. Your comrades inside the organization are not your friends, potential significant others. If you are desperate for a comrade as a significant other, then a Leninist chick should seek out anarchists girls or other communist party members and vica versa. Such is life as it is now. Own up to it.) And finally the case of Bernie which just proves how fucked you are as a leftist now. When his mike was taken from him by BLM activists one side called him a weak or cuck or unprofessional (for legit reasons, imo), the other tried to justify this. When not long ago when naked vegans did the same his team made them fuck off and then was accused of being insensitive, aggressive, male chauvinist, what ever. This "damned if you do and damned if you don't" situation in my eyes shows how deeply unprincipled the left is today. The Marxist position is that the policeman is an unproductive worker. This means that unlike a productive worker who produces value he is maintaining the current system with all its niceties and vices just like a social worker or a judge. He's a wage earner like you and has inherent class interests like you, some of which are shared: he wants his kids to get medical care, good schools, he hates corrupt politicians, etc. It is the specifics of his jobs and the characters of the national institutions that makes him in effect, but not necessarily as a person, often times the enemy of the working class. In this sense, structurally speaking, ACAB most of the time holds, but it can also be the case that he's on the side of the worker when he captures the lumpen who stole from a worker, when kills, yes, kills a racist mass shooter, or in the very rare case under capitalism when he has to arrest a bourgeois (for tax fraud, whatever).
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>>746298 Now this is an actual post, somewhere close to the 1:1 ratio. You are literally saying that anarchism "categorically" isn't about justice if the only way to get it is through the institutions!! But then the alternative is no justice at all and the left cannibalizing itself. Your point is thoroughly idiotic without actually offering positive alternatives. In other words you justify the left eating itself without offering another route, lol. >you said it was a politician The person in question FYI is someone who barely got into the local assembly. He's a meme-tier Green. None of your points hold. Even if he was a big bucks socdem or whatever, not filing against him an official charge of rape is potentially threatening further women. >cops are the least inclined to prosecute powerful people like that Again, local assembly, literal no one, but even this wasn't the case you are LITERALLY advocating for not jailing rapists, which is laughable/abhorrable to 90% of the population. <when anarchos refuse to use the police: >Good. Adults can solve problems between themselves. <when the predictable effects come in: >This is how a non-adult behaves. These are literally inseparable, you moron.

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>>746303 <3 Of note: those who oppose this analysis without offering a critique are literal reactionaries posing as radicals.
>>746345 >but since you wrote a lot I think it deserves a thought. Where is that thought then, you idiot?
>>746146 ACAB is cringe embrace AJAB ALL JANNIES ARE BASTARDS
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/Posadism General/ Anonymous 08/04/2020 (Tue) 22:59:15 No. 746095 [Reply] [Last]
Please discuss and share resources on this topic.
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Also, consider that even if we could mutually communicate with one another, the risk of peaceful aliens turning out to be imperialistic outweigh the benefits of peaceful aliens turning out to be actually peaceful anyways. It is better to assume genocidal hostility on part of any non-human species out there.
>>746425 Why are we basing our ideas of what beings from other worlds to ourselves, because its the only thing we can base aliens on. Which is a pretty horrible way to compare to beings who might not even be humanoid like we are, have the same kinda evolution of being top of the speices of their planet. >>746456 Once again the idea of being open hostile to anything non-human is the complete opposite of what Posadism was even about. It is a xenophillic ideology embracing the ayy lmaos as comrades from space, rather than keeping hold of the xenophobic ideals. These are things that must be crushed from the get go if you ever want to get off the rock which you live. Now its not to say you can't defend yourself but out right open hostility is basically petty shit like we have on Earth. If you can't even get over that how the fuck are you going to make it into space when you are too busy killing your own species over differences in pigment.
>>746446 >we won't understand their culture just as crows and dolphins can't understand eachother But we understand crows and dolphins, we study biology to try and understand them. >growth of both species will hit a brick wall. Holy fucking shit, when will that happen 99999 billion gazillion years from now? If the universe didn't destroy itself by then. We can just have space borders, and really if our species growing so fast that we need to keep on growing we should just use more protective sex. But we probably have enough space on thousands of other planets. Also we would have pretty much unlimited amounts of minerals and energy by that point. Really your argument for intergalactical space war is retarded. We could learn from aliens and they from us. They might be radically different but that would be greatly exciting to learn and study about. You're talking in biological terms when there are limited resources and species compete with eachother till one outcompetes the other. But in space when we have astroid mining, and are on multiple planets, etc. There would be no mind for growth for growth's sake.
>>746481 Aliens will be made of the same type of matter, working under the same laws of physics, and therefore emerging under similar histories to ourselves. However there is much room for variation, so much so that no two species will be alike in ways that would permit productive relations with one another. The development of productive forces will get humanity into space, not ideals of pacifism or compassion. Such ideals run counter to continued development.
>>746487 But do they understand each other? Even now, do we understand them enough to have friendship with them? Space is mostly empty, and what is out there is still finite rather than infinite. Finite resources still imply decision making fit for finite worlds.

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Will 2020s America be like 1970s - 1980s America? Anonymous 08/04/2020 (Tue) 23:33:07 No. 746179 [Reply] [Last]
Or will it be like 1930s America? Like, let's see: >Explosion of poverty >Explosion of crime >Business closures >Government in total disarray >Widespread discontent and protests >Government probably boutta fuck the economy something fierce >Middle class people fleeing the cities for the suburbs and rural areas again (70s-80s) Is this how real life cyberpunk finally comes into existence?
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>>746193 The 90s was literally the peak of Burgerism, tf are you talking about?
>>746179 It will be like America of any year- It will suck.
It's the decade where we'll die.
What the fuck is cyberpunk even
>>746190 where have you been?

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Is Krautistan embarking on a Fourth Reich Anonymous 08/04/2020 (Tue) 20:17:42 No. 745505 [Reply] [Last]
Apparently American is pulling out all its troops from the Land of Deutsch and Deustchstag has responded with G*Roman militarization Krautland has fought two world wars against the anglos already will they fight a third? https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/08/04/mili-a04.html
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>>746312 Comrades, is an army not fascism?
>>746312 thing is though it pretty much is if you're a lIbErAl dEmOcRaCy.
>>746320 Fascism is when you throw soy milkshakes at people you don't agree with.
>>746355 Actually I think fascism is when you cry about a milkshake for a year
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