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Thailand protests Anonymous 10/16/2020 (Fri) 15:09:47 No. 1004988 [Reply] [Last]
What are your thoughts on the protests in Thailand? Don't tell me this is another CIA color revolution and we as leftists should support thai royalists
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>>1025424 Tbh it wouldn't surprise me if it was
>>1010993 cringe
>>1025451 It is. It’s just that because they’re not inherently anti-communist like the monarchy so leftists can use it to radicalize people. In a way, the Bolsheviks were a kind of color revolution backed by Germany, but they were smart enough to betray the Kraut immediately when they had the chance.
Imagine calling yourself a Marxist but denying that the bourgeoisie is a progressive force against monarchism. Like what is your end game? Thailand has no ascendant communist movent because of how politically retarded it is.
>>1015180 lol this picture but unironically

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News 10/22/20 News Anon 3.0 10/22/2020 (Thu) 17:59:52 No. 1023923 [Reply] [Last]
Bolivia's President-elect Arce says 'no role' for Morales in new government “He will not have any role in our government,” Arce told Reuters at the MAS headquarters in Bolivia’s administrative capital La Paz.“He can return to the country whenever he wants, because he’s Bolivian... but in the government it’s me who has to decide who forms a part of the administration and who does not.” https://www.reuters.com/article/us-bolivia-election-arce-exclusive-idUSKBN2752K7 Snowden Granted Permanent Russian Residency – Lawyer Russia has granted permanent residency to former U.S. spy agency contractor and whistleblower Edward Snowden after his current permit expired, his lawyer told state media Thursday.“Snowden was granted an open-ended residence permit earlier today,” the state-run TASS news agency quoted his lawyer Anatoly Kucherena as saying. https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/10/22/snowden-granted-permanent-russian-residency-lawyer-a71830 Koba is back: Stalin statue to be erected in South Ossetia A three-meter monument, dedicated to the legendary Soviet leader Joseph Stalin, will be erected in the village of Tsorbisi, in South Ossetia. The initiator of the project is Dzambolat Tedeev, head coach of the Russian national freestyle wrestling team. http://www.idcommunism.com/2020/10/koba-is-back-stalin-statue-to-be-erected-in-south-ossetia.html https://archive.is/SI2RH EXCLUSIVE: Iran's Khamenei ordered end to Iraqi attacks on US interests “Khamenei's orders were straightforward and clear. All attacks targeting US interests in Iraq must stop,” a senior commander of an Iranian-backed armed faction involved in the attacks told Middle East Eye. https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/iran-khamenei-iraq-attacks-us-interests-end

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>>1027434 hezbollah simpatizer can be found only on twitter mouthbreathing libs?
>>1025297 Will post this from now on as a react, love you anon. Keep posting other shots of her.
>>1024177 russian imperialism fucking them over
>>1023936 Most infrastructure is more than 30 years old, what do you think gonna happen.
>>1024711 Nice tits.

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Yes there will be a Civil War 2 Anonymous 10/22/2020 (Thu) 22:55:26 No. 1025094 [Reply] [Last]
A response to this article https://medium.com/@largemovement/theres-not-going-to-be-a-second-american-civil-war-here-s-why-93453c88c19a Mostly want to pickup on two excerpts that I think get to the heart of the matter, as the analysis of the civil war is sufficiently materialist(if unoriginal and standard by this point), while the focus on the current situation lacks the proper vision, caught up in idealism of the contemporary aesthetic(aka capitalist realism). >But in an unprecedented display of bipartisanship, both the liberal and conservative cases for Civil War Part II rest on the same false assumption: that the Civil War was caused by the same type of polarization in America today. We can all agree here that the civil war was caused by irreconcilable class interests, not ideals of polarization. Yet where I diverge from this is thinking that these illusory shadows are meaningless and devoid of substance. The polarization around the civil war had its roots in a material conflict, that most at the time were blind to. So today I say that the real world polarization, most embodied by Trump himself, is not simply an aberration but points towards a class conflict that is still mostly unrecognized and unsolved. When confronted with this, the author retreats into a lazy position of blaming it on "alienation" >What pundits on both sides have chalked up to the makings of a Second Civil War is, in fact, a result of the immiseration and alienation that Americans have increasingly come to feel in the decades since those Civil War-sized questions were settled. I would hope anyone who has been paying even a little bit of attention is ready to complicate this. What trump represents is a large portion of america being cut out from the social surplus of empire as it shrinks at an ever increasing rate. Correlated to the fall in the rate of profit. It's this loss of surplus that has cut across the lines of identity which caused such a shock against the neoliberal ruling order. The extreme case of Incels as men no longer able to materially support a family even when the superstructure is still promising women to men with enough money to raise a family. The reason healthcare has become an issue is due to the shift away from the high wages that made paying for healthcare a nonissue. Every political and social current in play today is downstream from a lower rate of profit, a loss of ability to allocate and manage surplus social product. Hence the dream of making america great again. But it can't be reversed. While it's true that americans are still largely complacent due to a comfortable enough existence, we continue to live under capitalism. It doesn't matter how much resources or products are in a warehouse, if it becomes unprofitable to sell, they will remain in the warehouse rather than be distributed to those who need it. The usefulness of the dollar at this point is completely in the hands of the federal state. Which is why there is such a fight over the state in the first place. Such political forms of domination and resource allocation are taking the place of money as it loses its ability to function outside of government subsidies. These bailouts for the rich are necessary to continue capitalism. The ruling class fights over the last gasp of economic exploitation. So despite the physicality of wealth, the ability to actually use it will be dependent on moving away from the capitalist mode of production. If the left organizes in time, this will mean socialism. If the left fails due to immobility, or inaction due to malaise, the ruling forces will enact neofeudalism with minimal resistance.

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>>1028558 What sovereign currency was Germany's national debt mostly NOT denominated in?
>>1028570 Pound-Sterling? It was the reserve currency.
>>1025125 it would be neofeudalists versus fascists (real, not the current bogeyman version under every radlib's bed), with neofeudalism being represented by megacity/silicon valley types, who wish to accelerate to a landian global society with them as an eventual nobility, and the fascists as coalition of economic nationalists who wish to preserve a dead decaying capitalism through force note that this is a bad future
>>1028597 Papiermarks, the German fiat money. Instead, the German war reparations were denominated in gold, meaning they couldn't be deflated away by issuance, which drove Germany's infamous runaway inflation. In contrast, US public debt (much like public debt in the rest of the OECD) is basically all denominated in our sovereign fiat money. Also like most OECD countries in recent times, real interest rates on newly issued public debt are LOWER THAN INFLATION, meaning that every penny of public "debt" we "borrow" has NEGATIVE real interest, earning taxpayers money.
>>1025094 stop being a schizo retard there won't be a 2nd civil war

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How do we feel about George Orwell's 1984, folks? Anonymous 10/21/2020 (Wed) 22:22:32 No. 1021056 [Reply] [Last]
Reminder that Orwell himself said that "1984 was based chiefly on communism, because that is the dominant form of totalitarianism" and of course "Lev Bronstein" is Leon Trotsky How do we feel, folks? Watching this shite rn, the 1984 Thatcherite film
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>>1028607 Make no mistake, Stalin is best remembered for his anti-semitism and his dismantling of the revolutionary process. Lenin admitted that they had only created State Capitalism and that the project of Socialism was next. But if you look at Stalin's view, State Capitalism is somehow Socialism. And if you disagree with him, you are a trot and you get purged. The use of trot is basically the Stalinist equivalent of triple parentheses.
>>1022679 >Imo the real problem is that 1984 doesn’t really capture what “dystopias tend to be like” The cheap tabloid trash literature of Oceania I also think had more in common with British tabloid newspapers than the Soviet publishing industry.
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>>1021828 Quoting myself but that is a good piece and everyone should read it. >But Orwell could not content himself with historical agnosticism. He was anything but a sceptic. His mental make-up was rather that of the fanatic, determined to get an answer, a quick and a plain answer, to his question. He was now tense with distrust and suspicion and on the look-out for the dark conspiracies hatched by them against the decencies of Billy Brown of London town. They were the Nazis, the Stalinists, and – Churchill and Roosevelt, and ultimately all who had any raison d'état to defend, for at heart Orwell was a simple-minded anarchist and, in his eyes, any political movement forfeited its raison d'être the moment it acquired a raison d'état. To analyse a complicated social background, to try and unravel tangles of political motives, calculations, fears and suspicions, and to discern the compulsion of circumstances behind their action was beyond him. Generalisations about social forces, social trends and historic inevitabilities made him bristle with suspicion. Yet, without some such generalisations, properly and sparingly used, no realistic answer could be given to the question which preoccupied Orwell. His gaze was fixed on the trees, or rather on a single tree, in front of him, and he was almost blind to the wood. Yet his distrust of historical generalisations led him in the end to adopt and to cling to the oldest, the most banal, the most abstract, the most metaphysical and the most barren of all generalisations: all their conspiracies and plots and purges and diplomatic deals had one source and one source only – ‘sadistic power-hunger’. Thus he made his jump from workaday, rationalistic common sense to the mysticism of cruelty which inspires 1984. [1] >In 1984 man’s mastery over the machine has reached so high a level that society is in a position to produce plenty for everybody and put an end to inequality. But poverty and inequality are maintained only to satisfy the sadistic urges of Big Brother. Yet we do not even know whether Big Brother really exists – he may be only a myth. It is the collective cruelty of the party (not necessarily of its individual members who may be intelligent and well-meaning people), that torments Oceania. Totalitarian society is ruled by a disembodied sadism. Orwell imagined that he had ‘transcended’ the familiar and, as he thought, increasingly irrelevant concepts of social class and class interest. But in these Marxist generalisations, the interest of a social class bears at least some specific relation to the individual interests and the social position of its members, even if the class interest does not represent a simple sum of the individual interests. In Orwell’s party the whole bears no relation to the parts. The party is not a social body actuated by any interest or purpose. It is a phantom-like emanation of all that is foul in human nature. It is the metaphysical, mad and triumphant, Ghost of Evil. >Of course, Orwell intended 1984 as a warning. But the warning defeats itself because of its underlying boundless despair. Orwell saw totalitarianism as bringing history to a standstill. Big Brother is invincible: ‘If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face – for ever.’ He projected the spectacle of the Great Purges on to the future, and he saw it fixed there for ever, because he was not capable of grasping the events realistically, in their complex historical context. To be sure, the events were highly ‘irrational'; but he who because of this treats them irrationally is very much like the psychiatrist whose mind becomes unhinged by dwelling too closely with insanity. 1984 is in effect not so much a warning as a piercing shriek announcing the advent of the Black Millennium, the Millennium of damnation. >The shriek, amplified by all the ‘mass-media’ of our time, has frightened millions of people. But it has not helped them to see more clearly the issues with which the world is grappling; it has not advanced their understanding. It has only increased and intensified the waves of panic and hate that run through the world and obfuscate innocent minds. 1984 has taught millions to look at the conflict between East and West in terms of black and white, and it has shown them a monster bogy and a monster scapegoat for all the ills that plague mankind. >At the onset of the atomic age, the world is living in a mood of Apocalyptic horror. That is why millions of people respond so passionately to the Apocalyptic vision of a novelist. The Apocalyptic atomic and hydrogen monsters, however, have not been let loose by Big Brother. The chief predicament of contemporary society is that it has not yet succeeded in adjusting its way of life and its social and political institutions to the prodigious advance of its technological knowledge. We do not know what has been the impact of the atomic and hydrogen bombs on the thoughts of millions in the East, where anguish and fear may be hidden behind the façade of a facile (or perhaps embarrassed?) official optimism. But it would be dangerous to blind ourselves to the fact that in the West millions of people may be inclined, in their anguish and fear, to flee from their own responsibility for mankind’s destiny and to vent their anger and despair on the giant Bogy-cum-Scapegoat which Orwell’s 1984 has done so much to place before their eyes.
>>1022817 He didn't support anarcho communism, he was a fucking Trot.
>>1028664 Good piece

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Anonymous 10/23/2020 (Fri) 14:38:03 No. 1028153 [Reply] [Last]
What the fuck does "Socialism with Chinese characteristics" means ?
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all you need to know: gucci is fucvkin TIGHT xi has the drip
>>1028611 interesting, tell me more im quite new
>>1028153 Red fash.
>>1028153 Chinese Characteristics=Capitalism

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capitalism scared a zoomer Anonymous 10/23/2020 (Fri) 00:57:12 No. 1025438 [Reply] [Last]
i'm just in my 20s, never worked in any condition, my friends have and they told me stories of all kinds. bosses yelling at workers, fights breaking out, customers being dicks. i don't think i have anxiety but this shit scares me. after reading about socialism i've some how mentally prepared myself for the wrong workforce. my parents want me to start working soon (tho prob not during the pandemic) and i'm kinda scared of hierarchy by this point. i don't want to diagnose myself, but i feel like i have depression and anxiety FROM capitalism. does anyone else feel this way?
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Blows my mind someone could get to 20 without having a job. Even if your parents do give you money like, don't you want to be free of having to ask them? Yeh late night come home work suxxx I know but like, nobody is ever gonna leave you roses by the stairs if you live at home with mom and pop. Y'know? How you gonna organise workers if you're not one? Also, also I'm jealous as hell. Worked since I was 15, got friends who are 28 and literally never had a job, paid all the way through uni etc, had time to become an artist or some shit because they weren't wasting their youth working. Fuck that shit. Don't be one of those.
>>1027281 >Blows my mind someone could get to 20 without having a job. I'm 23 and I've never been able to get a job, not even dishwashing or other shit work.
>>1027281 >Even if your parents do give you money like, don't you want to be free of having to ask them? How many expenses do you have as a 20 year old lmao. > had time to become an artist or some shit because they weren't wasting their youth working. Fuck that shit. Don't be one of those. Damn dont hate others because their parents got just enough money to pay for them.
>>1027312 How autistic are you?
Work sucks sometimes but at least it keeps me occupied. Plus I like what I do even if some days it sucks. Pick up a trade OP, it's much more fulfilling than a 9 to 5 office job or a shitty service industry job that pays like ass.

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/GREEK/-/ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΟ/ ΝΗΜΑ Anonymous 10/07/2020 (Wed) 17:44:39 No. 965423 [Reply] [Last]
Αν όλοι είναι αντιφα μήπως κανένας δεν είναι αντιφά ? εντισιον
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Χαρρυ Κλυνν ταξιντζης https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0H-a0aFSZII
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Έχει πάει στρατό το γρεεκ ?Εγώ ψάχνω δουλεία για έξω μέχρι να τελειώσει η αναβολή να βγώ ανυπότακτος εξωτερικού
lol what the fuck are those letters dude
>>1028428 γιου δοντ λικε εμ ? :^(

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Native English Speakers!! Help Needed!! Anonymous 10/16/2020 (Fri) 13:05:01 No. 1004714 [Reply] [Last]
I translated an article by Glushkov on collaborative planning, and I want to mail it to Cockshott to get his review. But first I would like some feedback on my translation so that I can redact it for better readability.
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>>1015048 >summary plan When I think summary I think of a reduced amount of information, like lossy picture compression. The summary of a novel does not contain the original novel. But what is called "summary plan" in this text seems to be the total plan, so I'd call that "total plan". >norm >normative How about "standard" and "standard-setting"? It's not that norm sounds weird in that context, but normative does. >as I understand it the term means direct costs in input products as costs in kind Then call it that, in-kind input costs? >capacity commissioning Maybe capacity assignment is better. >and is this phrase "planned dynamics of shift rate of industrial equipment loading" coherent at all? I don't understand it. It seems to imply something one-dimensional. This sounds like better English: "the planned dynamics of changing industrial equipment usage'' -- but I don't know if that's losing something crucial as I don't really understand the article at that point. >consolidated department of Gosplan Maybe highest department of Gosplan? >is it better to use "model of inter-industry balance" or "model of inter-sectoral balance"? Same. >production pulls-up

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>>1015172 >'testing is an international norm of education' norm here means more like a rate of consumption of something, ie fuel norm - the rate of fuel consumption >or 'he is making a normative argument here' so it has strong moral connotations to it then.. not good >>1016240 >so I'd call that "total plan" what about "consolidated plan"? total plan implies fully disaggregated plan when in the article this top level deals with aggregated products maybe "summary plan" is actually more appropriate here because aggregation is accompanied by an information loss? >Then call it that, in-kind input costs? I dunno, it sounds like too much of a stretch, too far away from original, maybe I misinterpreted the term, and it can mean direct costs in any units How about "direct product costs"? I guess it is ambiguous enough to mean costs in any units? >How about "standard" and "standard-setting"?

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In all seriousness Anonymous 10/21/2020 (Wed) 11:54:43 No. 1019061 [Reply] [Last]
Are White nationalists actually a threat? They seem to not be, but I’m asking you guys just in case i’m not missing anything
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>>1020264 based and pol pot pilled.
>>1019061 No, and to that end, be VERY skeptical of leftists who push for accepting liberalism as a way to fight Nazis. The neoliberal order is still by far the greatest threat to socialism, and no amount of tiki-torch wielding larpers will warrant an alliance with the center of global capitalism and imperialism. The very fact that orgs like the CPUSA are trying to revive the popular front of the 30s is one such example, considering that they can't see the difference between literal fascist states invading socialist states vs a massive neoliberal establishment dealing with a few unpopular fashie domestic groups.
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>>1019646 >that file name But seriously tho, to the people itt posing them as a major threat, do you really think that these <200 member orgs are worth fighting over the gargantuan neoliberal complex? If you want to fight mobilized reaction, fight the evangelical movement that's been infiltrating the neocons, because that's the closest thing to institutional fascism we've seen in a while. But these clowns? They're too stupid to realize that modern fascism requires a rebranding, I wouldn't lose any sleep over them
>>1019373 this. we must always fear the religious, their retardation knows no bounds
>>1028376 I wouldnt go as far to say fear but to destroy the death cult of religion especially evangelicalism ehich in itself is a the literal definition of a death cult. Stay vigilant against both as neiberals are the bigger enemy of the two.but we should take out the death cult by any means necessary.

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Anonymous 10/23/2020 (Fri) 13:25:10 No. 1027724 [Reply] [Last]
bumplocked: fighting windmills, also >>1028327 and QTDDIOT Why am I supposed to give money to beggars again? I am not here to correct the failings of the state and these people are clearly drug addicts
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I mean you don’t necessarily have to, I used to but crime has been getting bad in the City lately and I’d rather not take my wallet out unless I have to
>>1027724 Quite literally don't. There are much better things to put your money towards that actually have a lasting impact.
Because if the poor don't get to live of charity the state will have to take responsibility
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>>1027740 So cute. >They try to solve the problem of poverty, for instance, by keeping the poor alive; or, in the case of a very advanced school, by amusing the poor. >But this is not a solution: it is an aggravation of the difficulty. The proper aim is to try and reconstruct society on such a basis that poverty will be impossible. And the altruistic virtues have really prevented the carrying out of this aim. Just as the worst slave-owners were those who were kind to their slaves, and so prevented the horror of the system being realised by those who suffered from it, and understood by those who contemplated it, so, in the present state of things in England, the people who do most harm are the people who try to do most good; and at last we have had the spectacle of men who have really studied the problem and know the life – educated men who live in the East End – coming forward and imploring the community to restrain its altruistic impulses of charity, benevolence, and the like. They do so on the ground that such charity degrades and demoralises. They are perfectly right. Charity creates a multitude of sins.

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