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Anonymous 10/19/2020 (Mon) 07:16:31 No. 1013081 [Reply] [Last]
Alunya appreciation thread, post your favourite Alunyas~
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>>1024994 Why is last pic in such horrible quality?
>>1025173 Old meme that escapes me >>1025206 Totally irrelevant vulture
I need more of that cat

Contrapoints btfo leftypol and the infantile left Anonymous 10/22/2020 (Thu) 15:07:54 No. 1023125 [Reply] [Last]
Do you have any arguments against this?
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>>1025857 >I won't support a government that shoots students literal people of college simp
>>1028682 I wish you were dead
>>1028528 SHES A PRETTY GIRL WITH A FEMININE PENIS
>>1024685 >>1025857 You brainlet, you ought to support the national Bourgeoisie over the international and you ought to practice revolutionary defeatism at home. Those two reasons are why you should defend iran and its government.
>>1028528 and ethots

Are they Anonymous 10/22/2020 (Thu) 07:32:14 No. 1022358 [Reply] [Last]
Are fascists and white nationalists any real threat to anyone? If Biden wins this small reactionary swelling will hopefully subside right?
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>>1028661 I imagine now is a busy time for the cop brigades who investigate these clowns because we're very close to the election. If you follow some of the reporting around this and the notices that get sent out by federal agencies to fusion centers -- some of which work their way into the press -- you'll see that they've been talking about "heightened threats" and blah blah blah leading up to the election. I don't know if that is true or not, but it would explain why we've been seeing an intensification of arrests recently. There was another Boogaloo arrest today, this one in Minnesota. So they're going around scooping people up. You also have to wonder whether the feds are trying to tip their hand on the election, too, like with that Michigan plot. That was the largest militia arrest in a decade. Maybe seal up Michigan for Biden by getting some clowns to film themselves training to kidnap the gov'nuh. Make a big show about the arrest. Look at the white supremacists. But they probably had those guys tagged and tracked months ago when they first showed up at the capitol building with their guns and cool Mohawk haircuts or whatever./ This video was unsealed in the indictment against those guys. You have to appreciate them filming everything for the jury.
>>1028691 unlikely, almost all local and state police forces are sympathizers if not, outright members of these groups. There is also evidence of trump administration trying have feds look more into left wing groups and play off right wing as less of a priority. What's unique now is the election year. Where if it's shown that interference with the election. one side or the other, would say that it's illegitimate and would radicalize tens of thousands against the government.
>>1028691 Ahem >>1028760 >https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2020/10/23/charges-self-described-boogaloo-bois-member-fired-ak-47-style-weapon-into-mpds-3rd-precinct-during-may-28-unrest/ <>According to the complaint, investigators say after firing 13 rounds into the 3rd Precinct, Hunter is seen giving another person a “high-five” and yelling, “Justice for Floyd!”
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>>1028766 >Hunter allegedly bragged about the incident on Facebook, posting, “I’ve burned police stations with black panthers in Minneapolis.” In a private message, he allegedly told a friend that “My mom would call the fbi if she knew what I do and at the level I'm at w[ith] it."
I was posting about this in another thread about the whole mass-base-of-support thing being a requirement for radical actions, but if the Civil War 2 guerrillas are (a) posting on Facebook bragging about their crimes and (b) are worried about their mothers calling the FBI on them, then they're probably going to have a bad time. Instead of practicing for the Boogaloo I suggest practicing the Shabbadoo: https://youtu.be/tDL4PvDmThc

Nigeria #EndSars Protests Anonymous 10/20/2020 (Tue) 23:00:23 No. 1017260 [Reply] [Last]
No one is not talking about it here. Nigerians are mass protesting against police brutality and corruption across the country, calling for an end of the Special Anti-Robbery Squad (SARS), which has a long record of abuses, corruption, and extrajudicial killings. Right now, police are killing protesters at an airport in Lekki. And a prison break in Benin City where 2,000 prisoners escaped. Nigeria is like the most corrupt country in Africa if not, the world. We could be seeing some class consciousness of these protests.
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Let's bump this
>>1028695 i'd bump her
>>1028695 why doesn't the picture expand when I click?
>>1028836 oh nvmnd, pic for ants
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democracy is authoritarian Anonymous 10/12/2020 (Mon) 16:39:02 No. 988233 [Reply] [Last]
if in a community a decision is made according to what the majority wants then that is oppressive towards the minority of that community that did not agree with this decision. a less authoritarian way to run a community would be by consensus. where members of a free association make proposals which would be discussed until a general agreement is reached by all its members. you might use direct as a last resort when consensus is impossible in a certain situation but you can not base your whole system on majority rule and call it anti authoritarian >okay bro that is cool and all but why should i care? i have seen a lot of anarchists on this board who have read little to no theory and as a result still support "direct democracy" this message is targeted both to these anarchists and Marxists who might have been left to believe that anarchists actually believe in direct democracy, while every serious anarchist theorist has opposed majority rule based systems like direct democracy. for more info on this here is a very short text by Malatesta on the subject: https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/errico-malatesta-democracy-and-anarchy mind you there is much more written about this and tons of longer texts in the anarchist library
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>>1009239 >but I still think that some hierarchies and associations are more "legitimate" than others, to the extent that they serve social needs and make an attempt to remain apolitical and act merely as instruments that just happen to be composed of an interlocking set of human workers. I would argue that doesn’t necessarily make them hierarchies. You’re deferring to people who know how to do something for a mutual goal and providing instruction, furthermore for a domain-specific goal. What establishes a hierarchy, I’d say, is the use of force to punish noncompliance, without fear of retribution.
>>1024482 >A hierarchy is an arrangement of items in which the items are represented as being "above", "below", or "at the same level as" one another. WORDS THEY HAVE MEANING
>>1024466 >because they would resist us taking their gibs? A lot, sure. But I dunno how many people are so cucked to their property that they’d choose it over their lives. Many of them’ll just bail, which is arguably a problem in itself as well, particularly if they get horny enough to do a coup. >I doubt all the personal whores/barbers/florists/asslickers of capitalists are gonna be enthusiastic about someone killing their benefactors I doubt they have any personal loyalty to them, and for many of the barbers and florists, they’ll survive a transition far more easily.
>>1024489 My dude, this has the same energy as “no private property is when they take your toothbrush.”
>>1024375 i have seen many of these people, too many to ignore >>1024489 i am not sure if you know, but multiple definitions of the same word exist. for a anarchist "above" or "below" would mean a person, organization or group has decision making power over someone else and interferes with that person's will. to simplefy it obviously, there is more nuance to it depending on situation. a egoist for example could argue spooks (which are abstract ideas that dont exist in the real world) oppress us

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Islamic fascism Anonymous 10/18/2020 (Sun) 10:17:46 No. 1011838 [Reply] [Last]
What does /leftypol/ think about the terrorist islamo-fascist attacks recently? I must say the decapitation of the history teacher in France really pissed me off. But more importantly, the fact that some imams decided to condemn the teacher cause he showed a nude drawing of Mohamad. Will this reactionary behavior fade away with the wind of revolution and is it any different from our local fascism?
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>>1012700 holy reddit pseud >islam fundamentally disrespects the right to free speech but you make a far more convincing case against it than anything in the Koran
>>1019340 >>1019334 >>1011838 People beheading people: bad. People responding to it by saying “liquidate all the dirty brown Katwas”: also bad. We can argue against religious reactionaries Who have specific tendencies informing religious reactionism w/o essentializing religious reactionism to an entire demographic group. It’s not that people ‘are’ radical islamists. It’s that they believe and support radical islam and make actions in accordance to it. Iran’s got the ayatollah because the CIA murdered all the leftists under the shah, after all.
>>1011853 Shut up dude.
>>1027553 no you shut up loser

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Anonymous 10/20/2020 (Tue) 21:03:17 No. 1016772 [Reply] [Last]
why doesnt /leftypol/ believe in subjective theory of value like the rest of the world?
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>>1019255 What do you mean? Why would Marxists care about the hypothetical market value of private property?
We do. It just doesn't matter to Marx.
>>1016788 should be a banner
>>1016788 mods should make it banner
>>1016772 >why doesnt /leftypol/ believe in subjective theory of value like the rest of the world? Because I spent most on my income on mass-produced items that don't have a special price customized to me as an individual with individual preferences. Other random assholes at the same time and place pay the same. It might be worth to dwell a bit on that (not for long though, since the argument isn't that complex). Is it because we all have the same subjective preferences about those things? Nah. Our preferences are only faintly similar in that we value the things more than the money we give for them, the gap between the actual price and the maximum this or that individual would pay instead of going without the thing can be tiny or gigantic. Imagine you somehow have the knowledge of the hidden preferences of your customers (the potential maximum price), can you then translate that knowledge into individually differentiated prices according to that? Items can move between people, so you can't actually translate a drastic difference in potential maximum price to more than a modest difference. Services can't be resold by the first receiver, so what if you deal in services rather than things? If you offer a service and also somehow have a monopoly on that, price differentiation according to the combination of need and ability to pay can happen. If there is much competition however, the price gets pushed close towards the costs of just running the business, and your magical brain-scanner that only tells you the answer to a very specific question (how much I would pay for your service at maximum if you were the only business in the world offering that) is not giving you useful information. >>1019167 >There's an all time favourite of mine called the wine problem. Already in Ricardo. Marx read Ricardo and wrote about wine aging in chapter 10 of Theories of Surplus Value (several years before the first edition of Capital).

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Anonymous 10/22/2020 (Thu) 22:58:40 No. 1025104 [Reply] [Last]
How do I make money without working? Thanks.
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Have a job you love and you'll never work a day in your life
Unironically real estate. There is a reason why most capitalists invest into it with their own cut of the profit, as there is inelastic demand.
>>1025713 *sippppppp* amen to that
>>1025104 sex work
It makes me sick. Man is born free yet everywhere he lives he is in chains. It costs money TO JUST BE. Let me be. I can't I have to sell my labor in order that I may survive in this cruel, terrible world. I have to work in order to eat, in order to have shelter, in order to be warm. Am I not a living, breathing person? There must be more to being alive than working and recuperating from work. Surely there is...

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Space_##m0Wyzz 10/20/2020 (Tue) 21:22:34 No. 1016879 [Reply] [Last]
Lets try that again A New Era for Bunkerchan!
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>>1025278 sauce on the song she's dancing to?
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STOP USING WEBMS STOP USING WEBMS STOP USING WEBMS STOP USING WEBMS STOP USING WEBMS STOP USING WEBMS STOP USING WEBMS STOP USING WEBMS STOP USING WEBMS STOP USING WEBMS
Why were my posts removed?

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Operation: /Cyber_Wiphala/ Anonymous 10/19/2020 (Mon) 11:27:04 No. 1013411 [Reply] [Last]
Our goal is simple, to put the government of Bolivia under President Arce in contact with Glasgow University professor, Dr. Paul Cockshott PhD.
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tfw we got featured on the bunkerhcan twitter
Bumping this. Keep it up comrades
Does anyone have a pdf or link to any of Luis Acre's economic books or papers? Preferably in English although I suppose I could just use google translate. I'd to like to know what he thinks about Bolivia's development and his general views as an economist. Is he a Marxist, or at the very minimum Marxist inspired?
>>1028684 sure here's a lot: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C48&q=Luis+Alberto+Arce+Catacora+&btnG= Marxist? I don't think so, although he was a part of a Marxist study circle at one point.
>>1028706 Seems postkeynesian to me (left wing of keynesianism)

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