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News 10/24/20 News Anon 3.0 10/24/2020 (Sat) 19:09:17 No. 1031911 [Reply] [Last]
Poland’s president has coronavirus, apologizes to contacts Polish President Andrzej Duda says he feels well despite testing positive for the coronavirus, and he apologized Saturday to everyone who must quarantine because they had contact with him. https://apnews.com/article/international-news-andrzej-duda-poland-dd3bb69dba2e1f1439087376ac7061b1 Golden Dawn deputy leader evades arrest after jail sentence Sources were quoted as saying Pappas had not been seen since 1 October when he appeared at a local police station, six days before an Athens court issued a landmark verdict that Golden Dawn was a criminal organisation masquerading as a political party. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/23/golden-dawn-deputy-leader-christos-pappas-evades-arrest-after-jail-sentence Thai protesters’ deadline passes, but PM says he won’t quit Thailand’s government and the country’s pro-democracy movement appeared no closer to resolving their differences Saturday, as the protesters’ deadline for Prime Minister Prayuth Chan-ocha to step down came and went with no new action from either side, and no backing down. https://apnews.com/article/bangkok-thailand-asia-pacific-prayuth-chan-ocha-e8309ea9547ba8bc39c8622a4dcfdaae Brazil Rejects New Political Attack Against Ex-President Lula Brazilian Workers' Party (PT) President Gleisi Hoffman Friday rejected a new political attack over Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva after a lawsuit filed against the former president for alleged acts of corruption. https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/Brazil-Rejects-New-Political-Attack-Against-Ex-President-Lula-20201024-0001.html 'Historic Opportunity': Chile Holds Vote To Replace Dictatorship-Era Constitution

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>>1031974 >‘Who said she had our vote?’ Liberals OUTRAGED that undecided black voters won’t automatically back Kamala Harris
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thanks news anon
>>1032081 Unlike us poor fags they can afford to get pumped full of experimental drugs and enchanted baby blood
>>1032081 The US invented the virus last year and they've all been getting vaccine shots when they're supposedly "quarantined"
>>1032359 Good luck terry

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Yes there will be a Civil War 2 Anonymous 10/22/2020 (Thu) 22:55:26 No. 1025094 [Reply] [Last]
A response to this article https://medium.com/@largemovement/theres-not-going-to-be-a-second-american-civil-war-here-s-why-93453c88c19a Mostly want to pickup on two excerpts that I think get to the heart of the matter, as the analysis of the civil war is sufficiently materialist(if unoriginal and standard by this point), while the focus on the current situation lacks the proper vision, caught up in idealism of the contemporary aesthetic(aka capitalist realism). >But in an unprecedented display of bipartisanship, both the liberal and conservative cases for Civil War Part II rest on the same false assumption: that the Civil War was caused by the same type of polarization in America today. We can all agree here that the civil war was caused by irreconcilable class interests, not ideals of polarization. Yet where I diverge from this is thinking that these illusory shadows are meaningless and devoid of substance. The polarization around the civil war had its roots in a material conflict, that most at the time were blind to. So today I say that the real world polarization, most embodied by Trump himself, is not simply an aberration but points towards a class conflict that is still mostly unrecognized and unsolved. When confronted with this, the author retreats into a lazy position of blaming it on "alienation" >What pundits on both sides have chalked up to the makings of a Second Civil War is, in fact, a result of the immiseration and alienation that Americans have increasingly come to feel in the decades since those Civil War-sized questions were settled. I would hope anyone who has been paying even a little bit of attention is ready to complicate this. What trump represents is a large portion of america being cut out from the social surplus of empire as it shrinks at an ever increasing rate. Correlated to the fall in the rate of profit. It's this loss of surplus that has cut across the lines of identity which caused such a shock against the neoliberal ruling order. The extreme case of Incels as men no longer able to materially support a family even when the superstructure is still promising women to men with enough money to raise a family. The reason healthcare has become an issue is due to the shift away from the high wages that made paying for healthcare a nonissue. Every political and social current in play today is downstream from a lower rate of profit, a loss of ability to allocate and manage surplus social product. Hence the dream of making america great again. But it can't be reversed. While it's true that americans are still largely complacent due to a comfortable enough existence, we continue to live under capitalism. It doesn't matter how much resources or products are in a warehouse, if it becomes unprofitable to sell, they will remain in the warehouse rather than be distributed to those who need it. The usefulness of the dollar at this point is completely in the hands of the federal state. Which is why there is such a fight over the state in the first place. Such political forms of domination and resource allocation are taking the place of money as it loses its ability to function outside of government subsidies. These bailouts for the rich are necessary to continue capitalism. The ruling class fights over the last gasp of economic exploitation. So despite the physicality of wealth, the ability to actually use it will be dependent on moving away from the capitalist mode of production. If the left organizes in time, this will mean socialism. If the left fails due to immobility, or inaction due to malaise, the ruling forces will enact neofeudalism with minimal resistance.

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>>1033535 >God if it happens, I just want them to shoot me in the fucking head first and be done with it so I don’t have to deal with the anyone else’s shit. Team Nuke Us Now represent.
>>1033435 iirc Max discusses fiat currency somewhere in Capital
>>1033576 (me) Which would make sense since a lot of MMT economic theorists are Marxist or adjacent I think
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>>1033578 there may contain isolated elements of Marx' works in the MMT theory but they are not Marxist

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Anonymous 10/16/2020 (Fri) 15:35:39 No. 1005073 [Reply] [Last]
le pol face is right again
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>>1010716 Yes. If your chin is behind your lips, you are an incel.
>>1008710 Fascism really is just an ideology born from self hatred.
>>1033738 Go to sleep boomer, it's late.
>>1005120 I thought this poljak was based on this guy kek
>>1011090 Your pun is inaccurate, this isn't green hill zone theme

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(Leftist) think tanks Anonymous 10/25/2020 (Sun) 09:24:47 No. 1033818 [Reply] [Last]
Let us have a more or less general talk about think tanks. Are there actually far-left think tanks out there? The only one I know is the Rosa Luxemburg Foundation: https://www.rosalux.de/en/
>>1033818 Caleb Maupin's Cpi is the only one i know about. Maybe the Gravel Institute could be seen as a think tank too though.
I have actually started to rely more and more on information published directly by think tanks, instead of newspapers. Articles and analysis by think tanks are much more concise and deeper, than from regular news sources. Lately I enjoy reading this journal, which is published by the socdem Friedrich-Ebert-Foundation https://www.ips-journal.eu/

Anonymous 10/21/2020 (Wed) 21:24:16 No. 1020849 [Reply] [Last]
What is /leftypol/'s opinion on Bitcoin?
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>>1029912 this is true, the ethereum foundation is mostly made up of communist furries wanting society to be run by DAOs (decentralized autonomous orgs). They actually built the best platform for it too. DAGs are bullshit though and will not beat out ethereum due to not having proper byzantine fault tolerance and therefore are centralized.
>>1020849 Bitcoin is the first use-case for Nakamoto Consensus which seems to me like it would be a good basis for the type of cybernetic planning systems we will need to implement communism.
>>1033750 What's that?
The technology is good, but the ideology behind it is fucking retarded. Fuck currency.
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>communist money >socialist commoddity production >anarchist currency

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Marxism Leninism is (partially) outdated and here is why Anonymous 10/25/2020 (Sun) 00:23:20 No. 1032667 [Reply] [Last]
Before I start,it would be advised to not take this post personally as an all out attack against ML ideology. Rather, it's my own personal analysis to how ML, despite being successful in 20th century is not viable for the modern conditions. The conditions which gave birth to the USSR were drastically different than the conditions we have now, as people are actually more educated and literate than 100 years ago in most parts of the world. That is why Marxism Leninism took the authoritarian path to the building of socialism, because it would actually be impossible with alienated workers who know nothing about socialism or if they are even literate to be expected to participate in any form of democratic process. With that established, we must now re-affirm that goal of Communism is a Classless society, which by it's own definition is a democratic form of society, and certainly not like what today's People Republic of Korea looks like, with of course, no offense to them, as I understand why they are authoritarian to begin with, because otherwise they would perish because of US imperialism. And with that all pointed out, my solution to incompatibility of Marxism Leninism in modern time is to replace it with more democratic decentralized style of socialism, which by no means is going to allow bourgeois multi party politics, nor is it going to allow revisions such as "Market Economy" and so forth. What I advocate instead for is Hybrid Democratic system with decentralized planned economy. Here is how it all works. ECONOMY: One of the key aspects that I disagree myself with Marxism Leninism is centralized form of planned economy, as in to contrast to what socialist goal is, it strengthens the role of the state which would inevitably lead to corruption within the vanguard party, and overall alienation from the working class. Solution to this of course is to just have decentralized form of economic planning, as it would give more power to the working class towards their eventual emancipation. Some of you may argue that this would create a profit motive, which is an absurd notion considering how it is well established that the state itself can only be sustained by the capital. Henceforth, wouldn't the centralized bureaucracy be the one who would go to pursuit for profit motive, and not the workers who are class counscious in nature? Let us be real here, means of production must be owned by workers, and the economy must be planned out by the workers in order to abolish the commodity production, wage slavery, etc. DEMOCRACY: What I agree with Marxism Leninism is revolutionary vanguard, and how the multi party system is what tears down the class counsciousness for the working class. However, hybrid system between vanguard and direct democratic rule is what I wish to create in order for socialism to be implemented more correctly. Working class, for the small and local issues that concerns them, have a right to directly vote on proposed solutions on the issue in question that sorounds their area of workplace. For the large scale issues, it functions exactly like how it does in Marxism Leninism, though party officials are elected directly by the workers themselves in order for the party to be more legitimate. Party officials are then those who elect the said President of the party, who is the leader of socialist state in question too. Now some of you may ask: "But workers aren't ready yet!" which is partially true to be quite fair. Indeed I forgot to mention that a great deal of education in Marxist economics, philosophy would have to be a thing for this to function, but it should not take too long considering we do not live in an age where 80% of people are illiterate and do not know anything about politics in general. That is why there is also Tutelage period, which is simply put a classic style ML rule with no direct democratic elements whatsoever, in order to educate people before allowing them to participate in elections.

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>>1032667 >Solution to this of course is to just have decentralized form of economic planning you need centralized coordination of your plan either way, ie you need an input output matrix of the whole economy decisions and input can be decentralized to a degree, but plan accepted for execution must be binding with sanctions for those who don't meet their plan targets >which is an absurd notion considering how it is well established that the state itself can only be sustained by the capital define capital capital is a capitalism phenomenon, not a planned economy phenomenon >wouldn't the centralized bureaucracy be the one who would go to pursuit for profit motive, and not the workers who are class counscious in nature? this is a separate question of democratic control of bureaucracy and class consciousness wouldn't make workers immune to the profit motive if we're talking market economy >means of production must be owned by workers, and the economy must be planned out by the workers in order to abolish the commodity production, wage slavery, etc. and how is this in contradiction with central planning exactly?
>>1033010 This but unironically
>>1033010 nonono anarchism is the shit dude that's why you had those anarchist insurrections everywhere just look please read this anonymous paper anon
>>1032667 >centralized form of planned economy, as in to contrast to what socialist goal is, it strengthens the role of the state which would inevitably lead to corruption within the vanguard party I mean literal economic planning is not that profitable for corrupt officials since it's well just the creation of plans so I think a correct way to do it is to let the goverment create a set of economic plans and let the workers vote for whichever they like obviously the plans would not have capitalistic goals like muh economic growth >he workers who are class counscious in nature? are they tho? >hybrid system between vanguard and direct democratic rule is what I wish to create in order for socialism to be implemented more correctly. so like soviets? now I know that they did lost power in the ussr but I think the overall concept can still work specially if there are no parties that compete for power with the workers councils
>>1032667 >One of the key aspects that I disagree myself with Marxism Leninism is centralized form of planned economy, as in to contrast to what socialist goal is, it strengthens the role of the state which would inevitably lead to corruption within the vanguard party, and overall alienation from the working class. Solution to this of course is Sortition? >to just have decentralized form of economic planning Planning and centralizing go hand and in hand.

Former /pol/ack thread Anonymous 10/08/2020 (Thu) 00:41:45 No. 966985 [Reply] [Last]
In light of the recent raids, I'm interested in the perspectives of former /pol/ posters on the situation. I came over from stupidpol (yes, I am retarded) so I still hold some conservative social opinions, but I'm more curious of the effects of being a /pol/ack in the long term and if there are knee-jerk reactions to things that you have to dial back. Are there any views you still share with /pol/? what made you immigrate here? and what are your thoughts on /pol/'s current state?
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>>1030189 >>1030120 Not the racist you're replying to, but I'm curious, what do you mean by "othering" ?
>>967032 Just ignore that liberal faggot, he probably thinks you're anti-trannie and so pre-emptively started coping, se3thing and dil8ing.
>>966988 You sound like a cultist, jesus
>>1033665 You greatly misunderstand and possibly overrate what extroverts are like. Hell, most "channer types" are failed extroverts.

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Alt Right/Nazi cringe thread Anonymous 10/13/2020 (Tue) 03:43:22 No. 991477 [Reply] [Last]
Post the most cringe worthy real life /pol/smokers you can find.
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>>1033356 honestly ruins a man
>>1033356 >Hes got a tiny cock though How tiny?
>>995916 pissing your pants and fleeing like a pussy to own the libs
>>1033356 >>1033552 More importantly, flaccid or erect? Because the flaccid size for most men varies (short to long, variable by temperature) despite them being around the same average size when erect (a bit over 5 in./13.12cm.).
>>1033592 >More importantly, flaccid or erect? Because the flaccid size for most men varies (short to long, variable by temperature) despite them being around the same average size when erect (a bit over 5 in./13.12cm.). TFW flaccid 5 and erect +7. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayKkSFlwkY8 This standup bit was funny. I forgot everything she said, really the thing that makes a big dick so awkward is you have very visible erections.

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Anonymous 10/24/2020 (Sat) 02:32:05 No. 1030274 [Reply] [Last]
Think about it. This dude was born to a single mother, in a poor ass ghetto of a Russian colony. His parents had many kids before, but all of them died. Little Josif was the last one, and the only one who survived. His dad was a drunk who only showed up to beat his ass. His mum fucked the teachers like in Forrest Gump, so little Josif could go to school. This little bastard went to a Christian school, he studied Russian. He studied the Bible. He was still a street kid from the slums, so he got in to fights. He was a notorious street fighter at a young age. During one fight he was thrown under a horse cart and his hand was damaged for good. For the rest of his life his hand was fucked. No more fighting. When the WW1 started, young communist Josif tried to enlist, but the czarist officers considered him to be unable to fight because of his damaged hand. He was a top student, but was kicked out of school because he was reading atheist and marxist books, and promoting the cause to his classmates. He was also a great singer and was invited to sing at many weddings and funerals. Kicked out of school, having no money, mom starving, Russian secret police harrassing him... there was only one thing to do: to join the revolutionary movement. There was the Kadets, the SR's and all kinds of petty bourgie movements. But Josif had studied Marxism, and he had learned about a new revolutionary leader of Russian Social Democratic Labour Party, known then as Nikolai Lenin. This poor fucker, with no money, nothing to eat, nothing to live for, nothing to die for, knew that this Lenin dude was up to something. It took many many years before young Josif would finally meet this Lenin guy. But during this time young Josif was studying Marx. He organised strikes, he worked at oil company and burned their factory to the gournd when their manager (Rothschild) refused to secure workers safty. He led many demnostrations and many strikes which ended in violence by the Okhrana and other Russian authorities. This fucker smuggled arms, organized robberies, spent many many years in prison and in Siberia exile. He was tortured, he was beaten, he went through all the tortures a revolutionary can go through. He made it. You think he was too hard? You think he was too brutal? You should know what he went through before announcim him as a tyrant. He was a true proletarian, and the true leader of our class.
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>>1030274 Stalin was too soft, imo
>>1031289 Fourth page is actual kino.
>>1030355 Source plz
>>1030274 smuchu

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/webm/ Anonymous 06/17/2020 (Wed) 20:31:05 No. 618486 [Reply] [Last]
The webm thread slid off the board and it's all your fault.
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>>1033509 just imagine the hearing loss
>>1033509 NOO THE COMMIES WILL TAKE OUR GUNS!!
>>1033509 instant anxiety
>>1033509 Real life meeting of /leftypol/ in Albania.

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