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Anonymous 10/23/2020 (Fri) 14:41:48 No. 1028177 [Reply] [Last]
If you had the power to run the world as you see fit how would you run it? What would be your ideal world?
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>>1028177 >Sortitioned executive branch, with mandates from a representative jury voting on proposals from elected parties. >Non-voters are automatically registered with the Communist Party. >Mandatory military service. > C Y B E R N E T I C S >Restructure production and civilian life to combat climate change. This should be enough for me to relinquish my status as God-Emperor and comfortably watch anime for the rest of my days.
My ideal world is one in which people do not lose the joy and the utopianism of their youth, no matter how much they age. So basically just a world where prussian school system doesn't exist and working/surviving doesn't suck the soul out of your body.
>>1028177 Well as the supreme triple digit IQ tradcath god emperor you have made me, I will ensure that (in no particular order of importance) 1. Twitter is deleted off the face of the planet. I'll give 10 days for everyone to keep contact over mutuals etc. before I delete that place from here to kingdom come. 2. Ensure that /pol/ and any other /pol/tier behaviour is deleted off the chans. I will reform /v/ and turn it into /dmc/, where the only vidya we talk about is devil may cry. /r9k/ will also follow suit in being wiped off the face of the net. If such god awful behaviour continues, simply delete the chans. 3. Delete Reddit, but keep some of the table top communities active. r/battlemaps for instance. 4. End world hunger. 5. Ensure that mass advertising is a thing of the past. Have a fucking EXPO or some shit like E3 every 3 months or so, so we can see new developments in technology, movies etc. 6. A lot more attention and resources given to the arts. Lord knows we need another renaissance of film to combat the needless amount of capeshit we have. 7. Mass deportation of right wing ideologues and personalities to an artificially made island off the coast of Antartica. They can create whatever society they want so long as we don't have to deal with it.

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>>1028177 >If you had the power to run the world as you see fit how would you run it? What would be your ideal world? Nuke America.
Mandatory Human Extinction Project The full capacity of manpower and resources availible to the world's military and industry must be utilized to the end of exterminating all members of homo sapiens within no less than 10 years, and with no restrictions placed on the technologies and strategies used in this effort. Conventional, chemical, biological, radiological and nuclear arsenals are all acceptable, so long as it creates weekly death tolls that outpace global human reproduction by an order of magnitude.

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Qanon, Hofstadter, and Evangelicals Anonymous 10/20/2020 (Tue) 08:33:01 No. 1014879 [Reply] [Last]
I just finished reading “Anti Intellectualism in American Life” by American 20th century historian Richard Hofstadter. It’s an interesting book and a good follow up to ‘The Psychology of Conspiracy Theories’ Book by Dutch Psychologist Jan-Willem van Prooijen. Hofstadter is a liberal, not a radical, and he does seem to engage of a bit of muh both-sides-ism. although he was briefly a communist in the 30s, he basically comes from the point of view of a center-left technocrat with a hint of doomerism. Nevertheless it’s clear that his main target is the far right. The book was written in the 1960s and mainly seems to be inspired by his dislike of McCarthyism in the 1950s. In the book he jerks off about intellectualism. strong “in this moment, I am euphoric” vibes – although in his case it’s somewhat justified because he was actually an academic historian of some note. Hofstadter essentially blames anti-intellectualism in America on five things: evangelical protestant christianity, egalitarianism and Jacksonian democracy, business culture, a poor education system, and the influence of the American Pragmatist philosophers, especially Dewey. He explains that the reason pragmatic, business, knowledge was valued over book learning was because unlike Europe which was already developed and filled with artifacts from ages past, America was mostly undeveloped and so there was a premium on knowledge that helped build up the new nation, and the aristocracy that normally sponsored art or pure intellect was missing in America. There was also the liberal revolutionary idea that the knowledge of the past from Europe was not needed because the american revolution left all of that aristocratic effeminate clap-trap behind. The education system was also re-geared from teaching classical subjects or being college prep to the social life of the student and vocational skills, a lot of this was based on the strange 19th century psychology-pseudoscience and experimental theories in education. Chronic underfunding and undervaluing of education also didn’t help. In the sections of McCarthyism he quotes multiple McCarthyists, fundamentalists, religious nuts, and klansmen, and the quotations are both insane and eerily similar to modern day right wingers. You could transpose them almost word for word onto Qoomers, chuds, right wingers/pol today, with little to no modification. The most interesting part of the book is where he talks about evangelical christianity in America, and how it began as a sort of folkish christianity against the ‘liturgical’ traditional protestantism. Essentially the evangelicals were ultra protestants who thought the reformation didn’t go far enough in decentralizing authority. So they had lay-preachers, a carpenter during the week would become a preacher on Sunday, every person would be free to interpret the bible themselves, without reference to scholarship on the subject. More based on emotion and feelings, than study, reason or intellect, especially since many were illiterate. Essentially feels over reals christianity, even to the point of screaming and going into hysterics, “speaking in tongues” or whatever. If you read nothing else from this book, read chapter 5, “Revolt against the modern world”. It explains how much of right wing politics evolved from the religious backlash of evangelical and fundamentalist christianity against the erosion of America’s traditional Anglo-Protestant, small village culture beginning in the early 20th century, simply by the introduction of modernity, mass communications, education etc. Right wing thought is a result of the “secularized fundamentalist mind”. Essentially a secularized version of extreme protestant christianity.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTfhYyTuT44 another video on this topic, but made by a breadtuber, connects flat earth to evangelicism as well
>>1023077 Classical fascism was born in a period we usually classify as “modernity” and most fascists embraced modernity. Maybe modern day fascism is “post modern” but I dont think historical fascism was. What is post modernism anyway?
>>1034047 Esotericism? That's what seems to be the context people are speaking in when they describe fascism as post-modern. It doesn't have a coherent practical world view, it just makes shit up to mystify the supremacy of the nation-state.
>>1034331 a lot of fascists were sympathetic to esotericism but plenty of others were not in the sense that they believed their ideology was also to be carried out by a rationalist state to achieve ideological goals they found desirable. Italian fascism had little room for esotericism (evola was a fringe presence under Mussolini and he also was antagonistic at times with the regime at least ideologically(. Nazis did dabble in insane esotericism, but their other conceit was, especially Hitler's, was that national socialism was scientific and that race science was a way to prove their ideology was actually not ideology but the basis of reality itself.
>>1034583 I mean modern fashoids. Rational fashism was completely discredited so they have no other avenue.

capitalism prevents technology Anonymous 10/24/2020 (Sat) 08:52:24 No. 1030858 [Reply] [Last]
What technology are we missing that is not being made because capitalism cant or wont make it. Picture the current world but it is run by a socialist mode of production. How would existing tech be different and what new technology would exist.
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>>1034427 >Capitalism is not meritocratic In theory Capitalism is meritocratic. But in reality it was destroyed by unrestrained bankers and usury collection. Capitalism limits creative production, but not as much as equality can. But I don’t think that communism will improve the situation.. it seems to me that communism is more restrictive, with more meaningless obstruction. To end capitalism, and bring in meritocracy, we should focus on the banking system and debt based currency, exchanging this for labor currency will do a lot to destroy capitalism
>>1034646 The term "merit" has an ambiguous, subjective definition. If you define "merit" as being able to generate the most profit, then capitalism is "merit-based" or "meritocratic" solely in that context.
>>1034646 >In theory Capitalism is meritocratic. No capitalism is not meritocratic, not even theoretically. >Capitalism limits creative production, but not as much as equality can. You are the anon complaining about diversity quotas for minorities right ? You are complaining about the methods people use for fighting for the limited amounts of employment slots in the capitalist machine where people can have a decent life. It is Capitalists pitting people against each other. How is this related to equality again ? I guess i'm a bit perplexed at your choice of words. >But I don’t think that communism will improve the situation.. it seems to me that communism is more restrictive, with more meaningless obstruction. For creative people, capitalism is nothing more than a giant paywall, and private investors are a lot less technology friendly than for example the nomenclature of the Soviet Union was, despite far more serious budget constrains. >To end capitalism, and bring in meritocracy, we should focus on the banking system and debt based currency, exchanging this for labor currency will do a lot to destroy capitalism. I agree with this, a labor vouchers system is better than a money system.
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Meritocracy sucks too.

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How do we save Gamers? Anonymous 10/25/2020 (Sun) 15:04:37 No. 1034290 [Reply] [Last]
As everybody knows, capital G Gamers are Nazis, radicalized by a perceived invasion of idpol and whamen into the allegedly traditionally male sphere of video gaming. How do we, as intellectually muscular and very convincing socialists reach these people? I think the first step would be to teach them the difference between bourgeois idpol and leftist ideology. Alternatively, we could tell them to have sex and go from there. I suppose we should tackle the main sources of male alienation as well.
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>>1034359 Seconding this
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I usually deal with the problem via utterly destroying the Ku Klux Klanners in "Rising Storm 2: Vietnam" by playing the Vietnamese communist side and using a hammer and sickle ☭ in my name. Time to die G.I.
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As everybody knows, capital R Rappers are Black, radicalized by a perceived invasion of whitebois and blasians into the allegedly traditionally black sphere of rapping. How do we, as intellectually muscular and very convincing socialists reach these people? I think the first step would be to teach them the difference between bourgeois idpol and leftist ideology. Alternatively, we could tell them to play an instrument and go from there. I suppose we should tackle the main sources of hiphopification as well.

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/prc/ - People's Republic of China general Comrade 08/05/2019 (Mon) 12:39:50 No. 8925 [Reply] [Last]
A general thread for all China related discussion
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>>1034044 no real implications, hydrogen just functions as a store of energy, never as a source. the real problem remains getting clean electricity to drive the electrolysis for getting hydrogen gas. at worst it is won from methane, and does not help at all wrt climate change
>>1034055 So a substitution of petrol based transport with Hydrogen based one would give no benefit from an emission standpoint?
>>1034068 Hydrogen fuel cells, like batteries, are upper-bounded by the efficiency of the technology used to charge them. My understanding is that China is investing heavily in coal plants right now, but promises that they are convertible into nuclear plants in the future. So basically it comes down to whether you trust Chinese planning and whether unforeseen circumstances can mess things up. Personally I am of the opinion that the Chinese investment in alternative energy is serious enough that it would be confusing for them to just abandon it because coal is cheaper, but who knows how priorities could shift if they get into a war or something.
Today: China Bad Tomorrow: China Good
>>1034068 >So a substitution of petrol based transport with Hydrogen based one would give no benefit from an emission standpoint? depend on what energy your using to create they hydrogen

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Hybridism and the electoral path. Faggo 10/25/2020 (Sun) 01:40:57 No. 1032909 [Reply] [Last]
any leftypol users read this book that came out earlier this year i think it has some interesting ideas on how to push leftist ideas through the current political apparatus.
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>>1032962 My guess is that they don't think an immediate abolition of the state (i.e. through revolution) is feasible at the moment, so they are seeking alternative paths to creating a more just society in the meantime.
>>1032923 It's the INGSOC logo
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>>1032924 >reading is for losers
>>1032962 >decentralized Ml ngl Honestly, while I like anarchism, if decentralized marxism is what works, I’d take it. It’s be preferable to a centralized, militant state. Real talk, I don’t think that ML’s are particularly psycho, but their insistance on using repressive state measures to quash counterrevolutionary factors and their strict adherence to the belief that the state will wither away the more we collectivize it, without really being specific about it unsettle me.
>>1032966 What good communist talks about “the year of our lord?”

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READ ONTICIDE. Anonymous 10/25/2020 (Sun) 17:29:06 No. 1034638 [Reply] [Last]
The oppression of black people is not based on discrimination but rather ontological terror. Black people are not subjects. They are non-subjects, deprived of the category of humanity which is built on violence against the black non-subject. The mental health and coherence of the world and all non-blacks is maintained by violence against black people. The black non-subject cannot be explained by Marxism, and their oppression is not comparable to the proletariat, the queer person or the non-black woman. The entire world constructs itself through parasitic ontological violence against black non-subjects, who may be used by workers, immigrants or women but have no role in civil society other than violent exclusion for the purpose of constructing civil society. Black non-subjects exist in the category of social death, and this cannot be seen by the doctrine of Marxism.
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unpopular ideas are welcome, but this grim, prescriptive tone is rather pretentious. you are espousing a fringe ideology that few people outside a set group of academics would be familiar with - it would be conducive to good discussion and polite to offer some more detailed explanations.
Your thread is going to die because of the attacks on the "doctrine of Marxism" on a largely Marxist board but this is pretty interesting. Anti-humanist black queer theory. A lot of this stuff is over my head, though. Incidentally I went to an exhibit of queer art awhile ago and was fascinated by these photo compositions by Paul Sepuya, a black gay photographer who uses cameras and mirrors to photograph gay men in various scenes, bodies intermingled in what could be a scene of intimacy but you could also view the pictures as broken, dissected bodies (white and black) that have been chopped apart. I don't know if this is incompatible with Marxism though because you're getting back to the real, physical world -- human bodies as the subject -- at least on some level. >Thus, the function of blackness as giving form to nothing presents a terrifying problem for whites: they need blacks to affirm their existence, even as they despise the nothingness they represent. By pointing out how all humanism is based on investing blackness with nonbeing -- a logic which reproduces antiblack violence and precludes any realization of equality, justice, and recognition for blacks -- Warren urges the removal of the human from its metaphysical pedestal and the exploration of ways of existing that are not predicated on a grounding in being. ... >In my conclusion, I call for an “ontological revolution.” By this, I mean a destruction of the humanist presumptions of agency, freedom, humanity, and equality which structure black aspirations, political hope, and moral virtue. If my book has any impact, I hope it is to commence this destructive procedure -- one designed to unravel all the unreliable fantasies of black humanism. This romance with metaphysics -- its logic, schematization, calculation, and objectification -- continues to cause great disappointment, misery, pain, and intellectual poverty within Black studies. How long will our field remain faithful to a political ontology (theology) endorsing freedom, humanity, and equality in an anti-black world? Despite the growing number of mutilated, violated, and dead black bodies littering the political field, Black studies still remains hopeful that anti-blackness can be reasoned with, debated with, charmed, and defeated. I hope to unsettle this presumption and open the field to the abyss of nothing, the unique burden of black existence. >Young students and activists are holding Black studies accountable for providing a philosophical/theoretical frame for our existence. Black humanism and metaphysical romance (the dominate philosophical frameworks in Black studies) are no longer convincing. I think the field will begin to take black nihilism seriously because of student unrest and exhaustion. Simply telling our students to “keep hope alive” and “re-imagine humanity and reclaim your agency” is not fulfilling the hunger for an adequate response to anti-blackness.
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By black, do you include some “otherized class” of say, central asians or indigenous americans as well? Because I understand if you're saying that modern societies rely on some objectified other for cohesion. But this would again be a secondary contradiction that arose from the primary one of class. Yes, Racism and other “-isms” are real and valid problems, but they exist as a corollary of class contradictions. The concept of race was literally invented by European slave traders to turn an entire class of people into commodities, and to make workers preserve the capitalist state through some false consciousness with slaveholders. I don’t see why Marxism can’t accommodate what you’re talking about.
>>1034638 op has brainrot

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Esoteric Hitlerism General: Satanic Nazis Sage#+GbZOp 07/19/2020 (Sun) 01:37:06 No. 702127 [Reply] [Last]
This is all the evidence we put together in the last thread, in order, for any newcomers. I'm gonna add in a few bits for context as well and lines of enquiry without sources that we might want to pursue Evidence: >leader of neo nazi group "the base" a fed https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/23/revealed-the-true-identity-of-the-leader-of-americas-neo-nazi-terror-group >various themes involving the alt right, their connections to the intelligence services, and the esoteric hitlerist connections in both, alongside pedophile connections https://medium.com/@MKultrawoke/the-truth-about-the-alt-right-a-destruction-by-facts-and-logic-e3d07f27e8cb?source=your_stories_page--------------------------- > a video describing the Order of the Nine Angles https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIkYhf3toG8 >videos of 09A ritual stuff https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jKpikOvzNk&list=PL92ghcVduUkM-V3H2g439J39OmN6C3nxW&index=1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VEyIuuH-qU&list=PL92ghcVduUkM-V3H2g439J39OmN6C3nxW&index=13 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F15opwqezJc >AWD Pedo Cop with probable links to esoteric groups https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/mar/05/met-police-officer-arrested-suspected-of-belonging-to-group-linked-to-terrorism >National Socialist Underground

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>>1018679 Also, it is very likely that 09A has an "inner" and an "outer" layer of propaganda and doctrines. Just as Myatt was never quite honesst about him being a Muslim or perhaps even about the "luminous way" stuff he's doing right now, we have no reason to expect him to be entirely honest about the satanism he preaches to edgy teenagers who want to commit terrorism. We are therefore to expect that the true doctrine behind the inner circle of the 09A is something other, although the satanist version is probably the closest to the things Myatt actually believes (although he might not believe the religious aspects)
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>>919980 lmao insecure chink ricedick
>>1034531 /pol/

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RUSSIAN THREAD Anonymous 10/11/2020 (Sun) 11:37:51 No. 982562 [Reply] [Last]
И мы опять здесь. Тред для русскоязычных пользователей Лефтипола.
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>>1031736 не понял. это в каком смысле коммунисты пытаются "улучшить человека"?
Angloid here, I tried making a thread about this, but didn't really get any answers. Can anybody here tell me what's going on with Nikolay Rastorguev and Lyube? Kind of hard to find info about them over here, my understanding is Rastorguev is a member of United Russia and their song "No More Barricades" are pretty strong indications of them being anti-soviet, but a lot of their aesthetics and songs seem to contradict that. What's their deal?
>>1031736 Мне кажется, что речь идет об отрывке, написанной зеленым цветом.
>>1032083 yes, Rastorguev is a member of United Russia and is very pro Putin. idk much about his political opinions but it is pretty normal for russian celebs to be anti soviet. It is a paradox that they use soviet symbolics and are against soviet union but this is also pretty normal thing in Russia. soviet aesthetic is just part of russian patriotic aesthetic.
у Реброва и Вектора срач по поводу ДиаМата https://youtu.be/X5puXFigIRw https://youtu.be/V6qzjA0DxMM

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/GREEK/-/ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΟ/ ΝΗΜΑ Anonymous 10/07/2020 (Wed) 17:44:39 No. 965423 [Reply] [Last]
Αν όλοι είναι αντιφα μήπως κανένας δεν είναι αντιφά ? εντισιον
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CHADreas Papandreou>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Deng alla to agglwfono leftypol den einai etoimo gia auth thn kuuventa
>>1028419 Ναι, αλλά ήμουν στις φιλελεύθερες μέρες μου.
Mates, ακυρώστε τα πάντα στις 5 Δεκεμβρίου γιατί έρχεται το debate του αιώνα. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyXIOBIOTCE
>>1034387 Πώς γίνεται η ρητορική ενός ατόμου που άνετα μπέρδευες με ενός του ΚΚΕ να είχε τόσο appeal στο ευρύ κοινό;
>>1034458 λελ έχει μεμε ποτεντιαλ αλλά τι να πει ο bolton εκτός από βόμβες ?

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