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Getting hotwheels on Chapo Anonymous 10/10/2020 (Sat) 18:32:28 No. 979005 [Reply] [Last]
Fredrick Brennan, founder of 8chan, has been on something of a warpath against Jim and co, along with Qanon. He's also said before that /leftypol/ was the only good thing to come out of 8chan. We could probably get a shout-out on chapo if he actually gets on. So, any ideas? Anybody know a guy? Or just want to @ the chapo guys on twitter?
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>>997904 Vast majority of that sectarian shit is bait by poltards. We non sectarian here
book was written more than a decade before the revolution. stop being teenager.
>>980692 social (media) imperialism bro, not cool

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Anonymous 10/15/2020 (Thu) 20:09:30 No. 1002386 [Reply] [Last]
Post criticisms of Carlos Markovski and/or his work
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>>1002727 identity struggles are particular expressions of class struggles, which is the driving force abolishing class is the ground work, resolving identity conflicts needs to be addressed as part of it, but concretely to its specific conditions
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>>1002844 >What the fuck are you talking about? Oppression is oppression He is talking about the unity of opposites that dumbass intersectional theorists accidentally tie all their idealistic struggles to thus rendering everything they do self-defeating, as they are constantly creating the very forces that oppose them.
>>1002899 >identity struggles are particular expressions of class struggles, which is the driving force nope >>1002920 you're just coping
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>>1002954 And you're just memeing.
>>1002683 >>1002698 >>1002705 Go back to twitter,

News 10/17/20 News Anon 3.0 10/17/2020 (Sat) 20:53:59 No. 1010109 [Reply] [Last]
Bolivian government official threatens election observers ahead of Sunday's election BOLIVIAN immigration minister Marcel Rivas has been accused of inciting violence against journalists and international observers ahead of Sunday’s general election. https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/w/bolivian-government-official-threatens-election-observers-ahead-sundays-election Bolivia: MAS Will Have Its Own Vote-Counting System According to the MAS Electoral Control Direction, the quick count will provide real-time reports structured by observers at the local, departmental, and national levels. The aim is to have the photographs of the electoral records to get reliable and trustworthy information instantly. https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/Bolivia-The-Leftist-MAS-Will-Have-Its-Own-Vote-Counting-System-20201017-0003.html Pakistan's united opposition protests against Imran Khan's rule The protest in Gujranwala on Friday was the first held by the Pakistan Democratic Movement (PDM), an alliance of 11 opposition political parties that have united to oust Khan from power. Maulana Fazlur Rehman, leader of the PDM, said: “This is an illegal government. It’s been imposed upon us by the establishment. We reject this illegal rule.” https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/16/pakistans-united-opposition-protests-against-imran-khans-rule Transit shutdowns fail to deter Thai pro-democracy protests Pro-democracy activists in Thailand staged a fourth straight day of high-profile protests in the capital on Saturday, thwarting efforts by the authorities to stop them, including a shutdown of the city’s mass transit systems. https://apnews.com/article/constitutions-media-social-media-prayuth-chan-ocha-bangkok-dd16909e7bb0800cdb98a0e39aa24cee Ex-prisoner Sadyr Japarov confirmed as Kyrgyzstan president

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>>1010109 based post-left alunya
thank you news anon
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thanks news anon
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>>1010109 >Far-right thugs harassing asylum-seekers whenever they leave MoD site in Kent where they are being held, campaigners tell the Star JFYI 'The Star' amd 'The Daily Star' are two different papers.
>>1010967 Where the fuck did you get pic related

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Theodore Kaczynski Anonymous 10/14/2020 (Wed) 13:33:55 No. 997069 [Reply] [Last]
Opinions on him? I always thought he is just an anarcho-primitivist but after reading The Truth About Primitive Life and I'm confused. In his mind the primitive hunter-gatherer-society was worse the the modern society is. Yet he wants to destroy Technology because of it's opressive nature and return to the primal state. Is he just a spooked radical environmentalist? https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/ted-kaczynski-the-truth-about-primitive-life-a-critique-of-anarchoprimitivism From the letter to a turkish anarchist: "Thus, even though the GA [Green Anarchist] Movement claims to reject civilization and modernity, it remains enslaved to some of the most important values of modern society. For this reason, the GA Movement cannot be an effective revolutionary movement. In the first place, part of the GA Movements energy is deflected away from the real revolutionary objective — to eliminate modern technology and civilization in general — in favor of the pseudo-revolutionary issues of racism, sexism, animal rights, homosexual rights, and so forth." He doesn't even mention class. Furthermore, he never explains why and how technology is oppression but somehow capitalism, sexism ect. aren't? It's like in the battle men against nature, he is siding with nature. This sounds utterly retarded. Am I missing something?
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>>998731 >Class structure as we understand it exists primarily because of IS. TIL Emperors, princes, royal families, merchants, plebeians, peasants and slaves were not a thing and the Roman Empire was a classless utopia. It's like these "le edgy nihilist eco anprim" fags don't even think before they type.
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>>998725 amazing how much rightoids romanticize nature and outdoor activities, yet when I go innawoods, the most enthusiastic people are harmless libs. I daresay, it is the most vanilla lib hobby there is.
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Kaczynski has some serious blind-spots. His view of leftism is colored by his time in bourgeois academia. He is ignorant of any scientific view of political economy, and is therefore left reinventing the wheel in many ways. All that said, his analysis is vigorous and materially oriented. Like Marx, Ted K is acutely conscious of how under industrial society / capitalism we are alienated from our labor, nature, and the means of life. Teds concept of surrogate activities is a pointed illustration of how alienation effects the human subject, particularly the bourgeois subject. Both Marx and Kaczynski recognize alienation as the core challenge facing the human subject in modernity, and both take freedom as the normative ideal we must strive towards. Despite his failures, Kaczynski should be taken seriously by Marxists. >He doesn't even mention class. As previously stated his lack of a class analysis is a major weakness. His writing is certainly animated by his attitudes towards class though. His critiques of leftist social activism and other surrogate activities are attacks on bourgeois leftists and academics. He lacks any affinity for the working class, but the hatred of the bourgeoisie is certainly there. >Furthermore, he never explains why and how technology is oppression He draws a distinction between industrial and non-industrial technology. Industrial technology cannot be produced or maintained locally, and so those of us who are dependent on it must also rely on a whole set of transportation / shipping infrastructure to supply us with parts / fuel / replacements. Not all technology inherently oppressive for Kaczynski, but industrial technology specifically is both the motive and the means for all oppression unique to the industrial age. Without industrial technology there would be no imperialism, no global capitalism, no climate change, no 5 year plans, no cold war, no space race, no wars for oil, no digital age, no alphabet soup. How we could or could have stamped it out is sorta up in the air, although Kaczynski has some suggestions. Global communism in an industrial, post-scarcity society seems like the optimal future to me. However, there are reasons to think we may never achieve such a society. These should give us pause. In lieu of a global revolution, it would be disasterously stupid to just let industrial capitalism run it's course. It may really be better to dump the whole stinking system. Depending on the day I am like 30-60% sure he is right and we are wrong. I hope he isn't. https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/jacques-camatte-the-wandering-of-humanity
>>998731 god you're stupid

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Fuck Kluck 10/18/2020 (Sun) 02:11:56 No. 1011129 [Reply] [Last]
Holy fucking shit I hate liberals so godamn fucking much holy fucking shit
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I hate modern liberals, after the 1970's they stopped even pretending to have any kind of progressive goal. Talking as if contemporary capitalist is all there is then wonder why the masses are at best apathetic towards them.
>>1011173 Nothing is rent free under liberalism
>>1011187 Reagan revolution made them self doubt and they turned centrist
>>1011195 I would still call the liberals of the post war boom centrists yet they had a vision of taming capital markets to the point of making it human.
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Time to understand 4chan Anonymous 10/10/2020 (Sat) 14:19:29 No. 978090 [Reply] [Last]
Since 2009 I have been to 4chan, on and off again, posting there every now and then but mostly observing it from the sidelines as this interesting, constantly transmutating nihilistic beast, always screaming from its chinless mouth, chained to the wall by it's own stupidity. I feel like whatever that cesspool was, is and will be, it's connected to /leftypol/ as well, as most of us have started out from 4chan in one way or another. Enough of the intro, I'll get to the very core of my question - does there exist such a thing as a comprehensive overview of 4chan, detailing each board's relation to one another, how the boards have grown/shrunk over time, what migrations have they endured from people outside of chan culture? I think that a more detailed insight on 4chan and it's components and culture is needed to understand the specific monster, called /pol/. And, PLEASE, don't just refer to materials that look into fascism - I don't want a thread dead because I cannot lurk and need to be spoonfed on fascism. I mean, any overviews, videos, screencaps of previous posts or other materials on 4CHAN in particular. Answer to my question will help me to gain answers to my personal hypothesis. I basically want to control a hypothesis which is saying that 4chan is right now in a stabilization process where individual boards and their cultures are fighting to gain independence from /pol/ and in a 5-10 years time, unironic fascism in /pol/ or 4chan in general will be dead. This hypothesis comes from the fact that if you are one of the oldfags, you probably remember there was a time when 4chan was still not politically correct, but apolitical - a bit leftist, perhaps even, as evidenced by that old Bill O'Reily comment about 4chan being a far-left forum. What if 4chan can move back to being apolitical? I am not saying that it will up it's quality, it can still remain a cesspool with stupidity and cuss words, but with a more apolitical nuance, or even a leftist nuance? Important thing to note is that there has been a generation change in 4chan - it's very obvious that people who go to 4chan today are not the same people who were there in the 00's. If you ask people of 4chan now, it's not rare to find people not knowing what "pool's closed" means, or even who Christopher Poole is. This generational change implies that there must have been a change in 4chan, like how in every 7 years, all the cells in your body have renewed and you are technically speaking made from completely different stuff now, and older, but still essentially, "you" are "you", and you still feel like yourself. If you don't know any good sources, you are welcome to post in this thread with your own take on 4chan. Any constructive or longer posts ITT will help me (and others with the same question) get towards better understanding of where 4chan was, is, and will be, and in turn, will help me navigate more intelligently in the chan culture and internet culture. It is very critical to not operate under false notions and preconceptions when dealing with the beast that it is.
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Why give a shit about 4chan?
>>1008940 this, reddit is better
>>1008831 >/pol/ is currently melting down about the New Zealand election. post screenshots kek
>>978753 /lit/izen here, I can confirm that we're pretty much the most left-wing board on the site, as we actually somewhat understand philosophy and can look at politics as more than just "muh based aesthetics". We're one of the few boards on the site where we can have regular positive Marx threads, as well as laugh at any Sowell fans who try and give their shit takes on Marx's theories (that they clearly don't understand beyond "make everyone equal"). Overall, I'd say the board is mostly a combination of Marxists, post-leftists, and neo-Platonics, with a couple esoteric Nazis that we like to make fun of. I'll also give big kudos to /his/, as while they can be pretty reactionary (there are lots of unironic monarchists), they're at least extremely consistent in absolutely shitting on fascism at every available opportunity, particularly to keep /pol/ from spreading historical revision.
>>978855 Aren't you the same guys who can't comprehend politics without comparing it to 40K or LOTR or some insufferable anime? /pol/ really is the dark mirror of Harry Potter idpol liberalism

New Zealand Anonymous 10/17/2020 (Sat) 15:45:57 No. 1008911 [Reply] [Last]
The Labour Party won the elections in New Zealand. Are they better or worse or the same when compared to European socdems? What do we think of them?
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>>1010457 holy shit there are people here who are convinced by the charismatic psychopath politician bullshit? She's basically trump with a cunt
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>>1010732 >She's basically trump with a cunt
>>1009414 From what I can tell, there's one: The Communist League. They usually don't even get 0.01% of the vote, from what I can tell they didn't run.
>>1011073 >The Communist League Bund der Kommunisten?!
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>>1008911 how will the alt-lite COPE with the fact that "gun grabbers" won out after their "le based" mass shooting?

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Let's watch a movie (motorcycle diaries) on cytube - ORGANIZING THREAD Anonymous 10/11/2020 (Sun) 22:30:28 No. 984828 [Reply] [Last]
Ok let's try organize to watch a movie...specifically on che it's called "The Motorcyle Diaries" I highly rate it. I suggest we watch in the afternoon or at night and we organize a time where euros and north americans and other continents can all watch together on the main bunkerhcan cytube (https://cytu.be/r/bunkerchantemp) https://youtu.be/pUJaRiMz0ws ^ the movie (Spanish w English subtitles) ok let's organize this so we can watch this brilliant movie together leftypol, we need to figure out correlating times and the date should be next weekend as most people are free on the weekend.
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>>992637 Let's do this next weekend Please over lunch break tho I work Also B U M P E D
>>993366 what time for u?
>>993366 next weekend as in not this weekend?
Oh fuck, is the movie over?

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why do rightoids make for such good target practice? Anonymous 10/18/2020 (Sun) 01:45:19 No. 1011096 [Reply] [Last]
seriously tho im surprised the score is 2 for 2 considering how many more of them there are compared to actual leftists and the few pro-gun libs
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They think they're incapable of losing a fight as they're "superior"
Two of those dead idiots died trying to mace people. Someone should make a /pol/jak spraying mace
>>1011096 >thinking killing some literally who rightwinger is an accomplishment Reddit
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>>1011114 Nah it's just fun It's justice served type of shit you know when what is naturally mandated happens

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/theory/ Anonymous 10/17/2020 (Sat) 21:35:01 No. 1010254 [Reply] [Last]
Since we seemingly have no general theory thread up, let's make one. ITT: Discuss Marxist theory Self explanatory. Questions, thoughts, answers, whatever. What are you reading? Post what you're reading and what you think of it. Post other recommendations Again, self explanatory. Post books and articles you found interesting. /pol/ welcome to ask questions if in good faith. If interested but don't know where to start, see attached picture.
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if leftypolacks gave a shit about theory and education they wouldn't be here, the failure of edus fringe existence with even less attention to it than fucking /marx/ should tell you all about the current state of this place but please go on and convert more /pol/acks, you obviously have the means to bring them to the light, some memery on their reptiloid brain capacity that many enough here already share will surely work its magic
>>1010254 >What are you reading? https://monoskop.org/images/3/3b/Lukacs_Georg_History_and_Class_Consciousness_Studies_in_Marxist_Dialectics.pdf Pretty based. So far he mostly explains the history of philosophy what Marx and Luxembourg took from it and how they came to the conclusions they did in a more straightforward way, why Hegel is important and such. Going to read Lenin's Materialism and Empirio-criticism next.
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>>1010254 based Capital book cover


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