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New Zealand Anonymous 10/17/2020 (Sat) 15:45:57 No. 1008911 [Reply] [Last]
The Labour Party won the elections in New Zealand. Are they better or worse or the same when compared to European socdems? What do we think of them?
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>>1010457 holy shit there are people here who are convinced by the charismatic psychopath politician bullshit? She's basically trump with a cunt
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>>1010732 >She's basically trump with a cunt
>>1009414 From what I can tell, there's one: The Communist League. They usually don't even get 0.01% of the vote, from what I can tell they didn't run.
>>1011073 >The Communist League Bund der Kommunisten?!
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>>1008911 how will the alt-lite COPE with the fact that "gun grabbers" won out after their "le based" mass shooting?

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Let's watch a movie (motorcycle diaries) on cytube - ORGANIZING THREAD Anonymous 10/11/2020 (Sun) 22:30:28 No. 984828 [Reply] [Last]
Ok let's try organize to watch a movie...specifically on che it's called "The Motorcyle Diaries" I highly rate it. I suggest we watch in the afternoon or at night and we organize a time where euros and north americans and other continents can all watch together on the main bunkerhcan cytube (https://cytu.be/r/bunkerchantemp) https://youtu.be/pUJaRiMz0ws ^ the movie (Spanish w English subtitles) ok let's organize this so we can watch this brilliant movie together leftypol, we need to figure out correlating times and the date should be next weekend as most people are free on the weekend.
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ima guess that most people here are from North America and Western Europe but I might be wrong?
>>992637 Let's do this next weekend Please over lunch break tho I work Also B U M P E D
>>993366 what time for u?
>>993366 next weekend as in not this weekend?
Oh fuck, is the movie over?

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why do rightoids make for such good target practice? Anonymous 10/18/2020 (Sun) 01:45:19 No. 1011096 [Reply] [Last]
seriously tho im surprised the score is 2 for 2 considering how many more of them there are compared to actual leftists and the few pro-gun libs
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They think they're incapable of losing a fight as they're "superior"
Two of those dead idiots died trying to mace people. Someone should make a /pol/jak spraying mace
>>1011096 >thinking killing some literally who rightwinger is an accomplishment Reddit
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>>1011114 Nah it's just fun It's justice served type of shit you know when what is naturally mandated happens

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/theory/ Anonymous 10/17/2020 (Sat) 21:35:01 No. 1010254 [Reply] [Last]
Since we seemingly have no general theory thread up, let's make one. ITT: Discuss Marxist theory Self explanatory. Questions, thoughts, answers, whatever. What are you reading? Post what you're reading and what you think of it. Post other recommendations Again, self explanatory. Post books and articles you found interesting. /pol/ welcome to ask questions if in good faith. If interested but don't know where to start, see attached picture.
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if leftypolacks gave a shit about theory and education they wouldn't be here, the failure of edus fringe existence with even less attention to it than fucking /marx/ should tell you all about the current state of this place but please go on and convert more /pol/acks, you obviously have the means to bring them to the light, some memery on their reptiloid brain capacity that many enough here already share will surely work its magic
>>1010254 >What are you reading? https://monoskop.org/images/3/3b/Lukacs_Georg_History_and_Class_Consciousness_Studies_in_Marxist_Dialectics.pdf Pretty based. So far he mostly explains the history of philosophy what Marx and Luxembourg took from it and how they came to the conclusions they did in a more straightforward way, why Hegel is important and such. Going to read Lenin's Materialism and Empirio-criticism next.
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>>1010254 based Capital book cover

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Egoism and good communism arguments. Faggo 10/18/2020 (Sun) 00:09:54 No. 1010862 [Reply] [Last]
I think that we on the left don't argue much from the position of like actual rational self interest. The reason you should be a communist is that it will vastly improve your own life imo.
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>>1010862 Rational self interest can be tied into the ethics of Marxism, tbh. That's why I don't normally talk about it. One, because I've already accepted Marxist and anarchist have the most coherent arguments against capitalism, and two my own ethical framework usually follows from those arguments. Also, the self-interest thing is a bit of a meme, but I don't push against it much because it's been useful. Stirner's concept of self-interest revolved around the concpetion of owness and the dissolution of reified social fixations. A lot of times that gets left out of the equation when talking about "self-interest" and the scope becomes very narrow. polite sage only because I don't think there's much to say on the topic from a purely Stirnerist perspective.
>>1010883 No it wasn't.
>>1010897 Stirner wrote extensively about communism in ego and its own.
>>1010889 I see where you are coming from and I think most leftists support this idea I'm more so talking about when we try and sell our ideas to not miss and I think we can sometimes come across as empathy driven which for some people signals weakness I think that arguing on the basis of personal benifit is stronger imo
>>1010924 He did, but the idea wasn't that he was against communism, but against the potential it had for reifying relations between individuals as purely workerism and the humanism that was in socialist movement at the time.

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Anonymous 10/15/2020 (Thu) 00:07:55 No. 998945 [Reply] [Last]
>tfw we're the single biggest source of /pol/yp butthurt feels good man
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I wonder if we make them as mad as we make ourselves
>>1002328 We make them way madder than they make us. We thrive on the bait, it's the one time we're relatively unified.
>>999729 Because you missed the chance to voice your arguments when the thread about making new wordfilters was up.
>>999270 It's a satire post you mong, read the spoiler text.

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Anonymous 10/16/2020 (Fri) 00:09:53 No. 1003375 [Reply] [Last]
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>me based
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>>1005991 Back in 1945 North Korea had so much food, that they still haven't used it, huh?
>>1006010 Where the fuck did you find this
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Anonymous 10/17/2020 (Sat) 20:57:47 No. 1010123 [Reply] [Last]
Let me just take a second to explicate and actualize something that some people might have been starting to notice: /pol/kids are showing up here in larger numbers every day. This means more /pol/ posters are curious (even if they mask it with “raiding” or “gotchas,” just as they were curious when they made the mistake of checking out /pol/ and getting tricked into buying the empty right-tard ideology. This also means we have a golden opportunity to actually fucking explain why it’s in their best interest to leave their spooky blood and soil bullshit behind and learn the material reality of the class struggle and their own class interests. (Hi /pol/ guy reading this, have you ever felt like you’re getting fucked over more by the system then by all the other broke-ass people like you? Like your coworkers, maybe?) Guys, it’s time. We can start really winning the ideological battle. We just have to be aware of this and try. To succeed, we need to understand the playing field. I hope this helps. Thanks for listening.
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If you want to teach people theory then you need to make theory threads or reply to them >>1008714
>>1010234 Good idea. Made a general: >>1010254
I like when poltards start a thread and then get 5-10 replies saying "read a fucking book" and they all link the same book that directly addresses the question and then sage the thread.
>>1010140 if you want to make changes on a wide societal level you will need theorylets on your side as well
>>1010265 lol at everyone who links to books they never read

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Anonymous 10/16/2020 (Fri) 22:29:13 No. 1006486 [Reply] [Last]
Hello Fellow leftists where should I hide my guns for the revolution, which by the way when is it? I dont want to be late
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>>1006495 My mommy doesn't let me have a race car bed?!? :( Granma calls her 'busid. >>1006517 I want to join! My mommy said I can join if I do my homework, it's really hard to color in shapes so I'm going to work so hard! Can my little BOTHER Porky come? >>1006523 Mom said no sugar after 7 or I get the zoomies.
>>1006486 On election day, I hide my guns in my vents personally
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>>1006486 >Hello Fellow leftists where should I hide my guns for the revolution
>>1006486 >by the way when is it? Don't wait for the revolution, organize!
>>1009652 I dont have enough good boy points to leave home by my self

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Karl Kautsky died 82 years ago today Anonymous 10/17/2020 (Sat) 21:41:21 No. 1010281 [Reply] [Last]
What do you think we can learn from him? Kautsky is such a baffling figure. He went from being considered the highest authority on Marxism and leader of the Second International to an irrelevant old socdem figure who died in obscurity as fascism gripped Europe. Here's Trotsky's words on his death: >The appearance of an epoch of great crises and of great shocks revealed the fundamentally reformist character of the Social Democracy and of its theoretician Kautsky. Lenin broke resolutely with Kautsky at the beginning of the war. After the October Revolution he published a merciless book on the “renegade Kautsky.” As for Marxism, Kautsky, from the beginning of the war, behaved incontestably like a renegade. But as for himself, he was only half a renegade from his past, so to speak: when the problems of the class struggle were posed in all their acuteness, Kautsky found himself constrained to draw the final conclusions of his organic opportunism. Kautsky undoubtedly leaves behind numerous works of value in the field of Marxian theory, which he applied successfully in the most variegated domains. His analytical thought was distinguished by an exceptional force. But it was not the universal creative intelligence of Marx, of Engels, or of Lenin: all his life Kautsky was, at bottom, a talented commentator. His character, like his thought, lacked audacity and sweep, without which revolutionary politics is impossible. From the very first cannon-shot, he occupied an ill-defined pacifist position; then he became one of the leaders of the Independent Social Democratic Party which tried to create a Two-and-one-Half International; then, with the debris of the Independent Party he returned under the wing of the Social Democracy. Kautsky understood nothing of the October Revolution, showed the petty-bourgeois savant’s fright before it, and devoted to it not a few works imbued with a spirit of fierce hostility. His works in the last quarter of a century are characterized by a complete theoretical and political decline. The foundering of the German and Austrian Social Democracy was also the foundering of all the reformist conceptions of Kautsky. To be sure, he still continued to affirm to the last that he had hopes of a “better future,” of a “regeneration” of democracy, etc.; this passive optimism was only the inertia of a laborious and in its way honest long life, but it contained no independent perspective. We remember Kautsky as our former teacher to whom we once owed a good deal, but who separated himself from the proletarian revolution and from whom, consequently, we had to separate ourselves. https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1938/11/kautsky.htm
>Karl Kautsky died 82 years ago today Good.
He was right about unions.
>>1010281 Is there anything worth reading from him? I only know him from getting his ass whooped by Lenin
>>1010299 He wrote one of the best reading guides for Capital out there, it was even taught in the USSR. https://www.marxists.org/archive/kautsky/1903/economic/index.htm


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