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Could someone give a basic rundown on dialectical materialism? Anonymous 10/20/2020 (Tue) 21:14:45 No. 1016831 [Reply] [Last]
It seems to be one of the most important concepts in Marxist, and, more broadly, socialist, thought. I think I have a vague understanding of it, but I feel like it is not quite right. My impression of it is that it claims the environment people live in, particularly their social relations (with employers, families, governments, etc.), are what drive history and politics. This is supposed to be in opposition to an earlier philosophy known as idealism, which claimed that history and politics are driven by ideas. At any rate, could someone give a basic explanation of what dialectical materialism is? Avoid being too abstract if you can.
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>>1016937 >willful ignorance of a topic is better than being to understand it, if critically boo >>1016831 >>1016941 I know asking someone to "just read X" seems like a lazy response, but if anything helped open my eyes to the dialectical process it was reading Hegel's "Introduction to the Philosophy of History" (note, I read this before I began reading more Marx, not that I wasn't familiar beforehand). https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/hegel/works/hi/introduction.htm some examples: >So also when someone starts building a house, his decision to do so is freely made. But all the elements must help. And yet the house is being built to protect man against the elements. Hence the elements are here used against themselves. But the general law of nature is not disturbed thereby. The building of a house is, in the first instance, a subjective aim and design. On the other hand we have, as means, the several substances required for the work – iron, wood, stones. The elements are used in preparing this material: fire to melt the iron, wind to blow the fire, water to set wheels in motion in order to cut the wood, etc. The result is that the wind, which has helped to build the house, is shut out by the house; so also are the violence of rains and floods and the destructive powers of fire, so far as the house is made fire-proof. The stones and beams obey the law of gravity and press downwards so that the high walls are held up. Thus the elements are made use of in accordance with their nature and cooperate for a product by which they become constrained. >... human actions in history produce additional results, beyond their immediate purpose and attainment, beyond their immediate knowledge and desire. They gratify their own interests; but something more is thereby accomplished, which is latent in the action though not present in their consciousness and not included in their design. An analogous example is offered in the case of a man who, thirsting for revenge perhaps justly to redress an unjust injury, sets fire to another man’s house. The deed immediately establishes a train of circumstances not directly connected with it, taken in itself. In itself it consists in merely presenting a small flame to a small portion of a beam. Events not involved in that simple act follow of themselves. The part of the beam which was set afire is connected with its remote portions; the beam itself is united with the woodwork of the house and this with other houses, and a wide conflagration ensues. It destroys the goods and chattels of many other persons besides those of the original victim and may even cost their lives. This lay neither in the deed itself, nor in the design of the man who committed it. But the action has a further general bearing. In the design of the doer it was only revenge executed against an individual through the destruction of his property. But it is moreover a crime, and that involves punishment. All this may not have been present to the mind of the perpetrator, still less in his intention; but his deed itself, the general principles that it calls into play, its substantial content, entail it. By this example I wish only to impress on you the consideration that in a simple act something further may be implicated than lies in the intention and consciousness of the agent. The example before us involves, however, this additional consideration, that the substance of the act – consequently we may say the act itself – recoils upon the perpetrator, reacts upon him and destroys him. Obviously an idealist approach to dialectics (which you'd know he's not trying to hide if you read the text), but I found those two examples stuck out, or at least the one's I recall.
>>1016912 Thanks, this passage makes sense
>>1017055 Is this supposed to be ironic rambling or some kind of mockery? I have no idea what I read https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0
>>1016831 You are mixing up historical materialism and dialectical materialism.

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Xinjiang thread #2000000 Anonymous 10/18/2020 (Sun) 20:25:15 No. 1012411 [Reply] [Last]
I finally got around to see actual footage of some of the re-education centers as shown by state-owned propaganda outlet BBC from Great Britain's (a country well known for massacring people) Tory regime. It... just looks like a vocational school. Strict, but emphasis on actually training people. Compared with how malcontents are treated in every other country it does not seem unreasonable at all. Why do some of you still get pissy about this obvious manufactured propaganda?
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>>1015306 Pretty much. They made the same mistake the US did and now are discreetly trying to fix it.
>>1012411 >chinks force uighers to go to school NOOOOOO, THEY'RE ONLY PROVIDING THEM WITH OPPORTUNITY!!!!1 >aussies force abos to go to school REEEEEEEE THIS IS LITERAL GENOCIDE!!!!1
>>1012411 >Why do some of you still get pissy about this obvious manufactured propaganda? They still have nightmares about daddy or mommy making them go to school.
>>1012411 >Why do some of you still get pissy about this obvious manufactured propaganda? There are ZERO leftists on this site that believe in this conspiracy theory
>>1017254 Mandarin as a second language is not the same as English as a first and only language. Also the Chairman of Xinjiang is a literal Uyghur and most party members there are Uyghurs. Australia has no regions like that

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Postmodernity is literally dying Anonymous 10/15/2020 (Thu) 20:56:08 No. 1002544 [Reply] [Last]
Weirdly, this thread is going to be about art, to be more specific paintings, and even more weirdly, George Orwell as well. So let's go back in time to the first decades of the 20th century, wherein """somehow""" fascism emerged. I put tri-quotes around "somehow" because we exactly know today how that pest emerged and became dominant. Capitalism was in crisis, d'oh, and it created for itself an escape-route. Also, it must be said, that under the colonial routine they had (you know, putting tens of thousands into concentration camps in Africa, lol) had eventually trickled back onto their own population control schemes, as far as 'political techné' goes. What is most interesting about this phenomenon (at least to me, or, at least for this thread's duration) is what kind of ideology, more specifically, artistic thrust followed and gave support to it?! Most of you must have heard about the art movement "futurism," which lasted exactly as long as European fascism lasted. If you haven't heart about it, then [wiki:] >Futurism emphasized speed, technology, youth, violence, and objects[.] Now I would like to focus your attention to the fact that this artistic outlook completely leaves behind one thing... You know, persons? Yes, yes, it does in fact inserts the "youth" but what the fuck does the "youth" means, when you are a fascist, besides an idealized and enforceably retarded stratum of the population? Moreover, the very image of the youth in fascism, IMO, is just a modern version of ancient Greek homo-eroticism, wherein they deny even their obvious ideological imperative to "fuck 'em" and instead idolize them. Now compare "futurism" under Mussolini to "socialist realism" under Stalin. Surprise, surprise, what do we find with Stalin? THE central subject is always the worker, the liberated peasant, the party apparatchik, the liberated women, etc. etc. who »does shit, who builds shit, who governs shit,« right? In terms of 'partitioning' agency, futurism DENIES that agency even exists (the very purpose of including "the youth" is to pretend that the "human element is present," but we instinctively know that "the child" is not exactly an agent), and Stalinist social realism actually attributes agency to the aforementioned (and incomplete) categories. Now let me cut some corners here, and showcase my agenda. I'm writing this OP because I think I have a good idea about what 21st century fascism will rely on ideologically, in terms of artistic support. It's called "precisionism," mate. (Do a google image search at this point, if I may ask you!) Precisionism is what? It is three things, in essence: 1) A completely a-subjective (agency-denying, or -missing) portrayal of the production process. There are literally no workers in these paintings, merely factories which "work" by themselves - magically. Not even the image of the "child" or "youth" is inserted. Understand the following: as far as the progression of capitalism goes (from "free market" to "colonial" to "imperialist" to [culturally, at least] late stage/post-modern) "precisionism" perfectly captures the zeitgeist in several senses. First, and most blatantly, it is a "First world" style. It means, "shit, idk how, but I ordered it on Amazon and it arrived at my doorstep!" but also, "Santa and his 'little helpers' [read: proletariat] work in mysterious ways!" Precisionism is a literal method to hide away the actual production process and the relations of production by EMPHASIZING the means of production as such. Precisionism LITERALLY portrays a landscape of post-genocide, where there are only machines but no machine-operators.

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>>1006082 I pretty much agree with all of this, depictions of industry without the presence of workers is at best ambiguous. It can range from what the Futurists did (and let’s not forget the Russian Cubo-Futurists, the Constructivists) to the Fascists, cyberpunk or this new trend of “big industrial punk” one Chinese artists invented. Precisionists only become then one way of looking at the problem, it’s more important to see how they relate to the problem at hand, what does industry actually represent? Look at it simply, you either submit to the industry (fascism) or you take a step forward and try to control it (Communism). Now as to what differentiates precisionism (along with cyberpunk) from the aforementioned Chinese “people’s punk” is that the latter does not dwell in negation. It has achieved negation of the negation, new positivity in which socialism is a tangible thing to be worked upon, not just an abstract opposition to the anxieties induced by industry.
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>>1017388 In order: 1. Fascist-Futurist-Novocentist Mario Sironi, Urban Landscape, 1921 2. Communist Yakov Chernikhov, Architectural Fantasy, 1930 3. Communist Song Wenzhi, Chinese Industrialization, 1972 4. Precisionist George Ault, Seeing America in Isolation, 1940 5. Kevin Rogan, In Socialism Series, 2020 6. Fan Wennan, China 2098, 2020
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>>1017460 Fan Wennan, China 2098
>>1003732 >>AAAAAHHHH A PAINTING OF A BUILDING WITHOUT BIG SMILEY PEOPLE HELP MEEEE I AM GOING INSANE PORKY IS DIRECTLY ATTACKING LIFE POINTS WITH HIS VILE CAPITALIST MAGIC This but unironically

What is to be done in America? Anonymous 10/18/2020 (Sun) 09:15:33 No. 1011742 [Reply] [Last]
What’s at the core of American ideals are enlightenment idea such as liberty and freedom. And as Marx said, revolutions are embedded with elements of the society that preceded it. They deeply mistrust the government, and they, somewhat justifiably, hate Communism as a form of totalitarian governance under Stalin, North Korea, etc I propose >Abstinence, not rejection, of non-marxist ideas such as social justice that alienate average workers and lead them astray to reactionary politics. >Maybe some form of constitutional socialism - guaranteeing some level of individual liberty by inscribing them into the rule of law. >Guarantee of democracy. I find it somewhat conflicting with the results of democratic centralism, but we should at least strive to completely achieve party democracy >2A rights are at the core of American conservatism, and they believe we’ll take their guns away as soon as revolution is achieved. We must guarantee it unlike what USSR had done, and use Hoxha as an example. >Property rights - learn to separate and emphasize the difference between personal and private. In any sense, I think it’s somewhat necessary to appeal with ideals such as liberty, democracy, and freedom, regardless of whether they are bourgeois in their current form. Point out how it’s flawed under our current government, and give them the impression that the socialist revolution will not give away to something that is worse and “tyrannical”
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https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/09/richard-kline-progressively-losing.html Read that ^. It traces the history of American progressivism to Non-Conformist religious reform communities, dating back to Lollard times in Europe. Literacy, education, personal liberty and economic liberalism are all embedded in this worldview, formed as it was between the contesting pressures of a rapacious, French-speaking aristocracy and a crypto-absolutist monarchy with little regard for the rule of law, while a venal church hierarchy provided no relief. England from 1350-1500 was also a place of intense factions and civil war, leaving a distaste for power-seekers and military rebellion. Few of them were rich -- it was a proto-bourgeois and petite bourgeois community, but with religious congregants in the lesser nobility giving them communication with power. The suffered erratic but at times severe religious persecution prior to 1600, and political disenfranchisement even after that, which much shaped their negative view of state power before they migrated to North America. This is why progressive dissent in the U.S. is at core a religious one. The goal isn't usually power but "truth," that those in the right stand up for what is right, and those in the wrong repent. >Coming forward to a recent and then present American context, consider these policies, all of which still hold for most who would define themselves as progressive: >Anti-colonialism >Anti-militarism >Abolition >Universal, secular education >End to child labor >Universal suffrage >Female legal equality >Consumer protections >Civil rights

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What is to be done in America is a complete capitulation of the cultural and the middle class sphere of politics. American progresivism, one that couldn't just be countered by a simple light-reformist release valve, is dead, only small embers if it remain that will fail to reignite its former self. If you accept this, then you can accept the deeper truth - that the "foundational American values" are nothing but a big fat lie, a slimy pacifier for the sleeping middle class potatoes. And even then, only the most malformed of these lumpen truly believe in them, as shown by the urbanite liberals, so happy to kiss the jackboot of the state when its used against some brainlet rightwing thugs (to call them terrorists is a cruel joke), or the migapedes, so joyous with having a big government so long as it passes laws that "triggers the libs". No one really cares about "bursoot of freedom :dDdDD", so neither should you. And with that in mind, an actual vision of what is to be done can be seen. Since burger values are fucking fake, the concept that xyz is too radical for the US, or that it would never fly because muh ideology, is also wrong. This means, that the spooky scary and uncool leftist tactics of old, to the dismay of shmashies, post lefts and Morpheus cosplayers, are just as valid as they ever been. With that in mind, just look at your country - look past the retarded urbaninte liberals and their fraternal suburbanite Republican rivals. Look past and see the shithole that your country, outside the gated boomer safe havens and stratified creative districts, actually is. Look and see the masses of impoverished and fucked over people, the people who live less than paycheck to paycheck, the people who can't afford an ambulance, the people who have to work multiple shitty odd jobs just to get by, or risk getting kicked out by their epic liberal video game streamer landlord. These people don't even vote because they don't give a shit. This is the clay for the American socialist movement. Not the final, dying ambers of the fallen trade unionist titan, not the "woke" progressive students who can't handle being called a fag, not a bunch of RT reporters playing Lenin and not even the spontanious, unguided raw rage that we have seen in the recent riots. So, if you are an American socialist, or even a progressive, it is your political duty to go out and start building a movement from the bricks that the lord has provided you. Of course it won't be easy, yes, you might get gunned down by the feds like Newton was, but that is your best chance, bar the possibility of US just collapsing in on it self, to achieve American socialism.
>>1011742 Camp the cute girls
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勿谓言之不预也。Don't say we didn't warn you. Anonymous 10/15/2020 (Thu) 02:01:35 No. 999348 [Reply] [Last]
China appears to be threatening Taiwan in the People's Daily. Notably, the phrase 勿谓言之不预也 or, "Don't say we didn't warn you" is used. The exact phrase 勿谓言之不预也 was used only three times previously since the establishment of the People's Republic: 1962, 1967, and 1978 just prior to the Sino-Indian war, Sino-Soviet conflict, and Sino-Vietnam war. What are the possible outcomes here? It is hard to imagine China desiring reunification by military conquest for myriad reasons. But they could not be clearer in terms of the consequences should Taiwan persist with its independence movement. English translation of an excerpt: The general trend of history is great; those who follow it will prosper, and those who go against it will perish. General Secretary Xi Jinping profoundly pointed out that we are willing to create a broad space for peaceful reunification, but we will never leave any space for various forms of "Taiwan independence" separatist activities. We do not promise to abandon the use of force and retain the option of taking all necessary measures. We are aimed at the interference of external forces and the very small number of "Taiwan independence" separatists and their separatist activities. We are by no means aimed at compatriots in Taiwan. We are willing to share peace with the broad masses of Taiwan compatriots with the utmost sincerity and seek common development. However, we will also severely punish the various retrogrades of the separatist forces that seek "independence" to "independence" and undermine peace.   We advise Taiwan’s intelligence agencies not to be kidnapped by the "Taiwan Independence" "Chariot of the End". The run of this "Chariot of the End" has only one end, that is, torn apart and ruined. The Tsai Ing-wen authorities only have the private interests of their own political party, and they completely disregard the interests and well-being of compatriots on both sides of the strait, let alone the life and death of frontline intelligence personnel. It is hoped that Taiwan’s intelligence agency can see the righteousness of the nation and the right path of history, and immediately stop intelligence infiltration and sabotage activities on the mainland of the motherland. In particular, it should not continue to serve as the eagle dog and running dog of the Tsai Ing-wen authorities, endorse the separatist forces of "Taiwan independence" and continue to sell to the United States and the West. National sovereignty and the core interests of the Chinese nation. Otherwise, our national security organs have firm will, full confidence, and sufficient ability to resolutely crack down and severely punish any infiltration and sabotage activities by Taiwan’s intelligence agencies.   We would like to tell the diehards in Taiwan’s intelligence and governance departments who adhere to the stance of "Taiwan independence" that there is only one dead end when playing with fire and self-immolation. Our national security organs will resolutely use anti-secession laws, anti-espionage laws and other legal weapons to keep a close eye on diehard elements who continue to engage in "Taiwan independence" separatist activities that endanger the national security and interests of the motherland. , Chasing after hard work, one chasing to the end. The green hills can't cover it, after all, it flows eastward. I hope these diehards will recognize the situation as soon as possible, close their hands as soon as possible, turn their heads back to the shore, and don't want to be attached to the poor city, wandering astray, and looking for a dead end. Don't say it is unpredictable. http://tw.people.com.cn/n1/2020/1015/c14657-31892263.html
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>>999566 >a contest of air supremacy lol no it will be a contest of conventional missles, srbm's mostly. good luck getting air superiority with all your bases under rocket attack and carriers unable to enter range of anti ship irbms
>>1012277 >>1012281 >war is where you tally up how many toys each country has and the one with the most and newest toys wins if you ever make it to the officer corps of the new red army you deserve to get purged
>>1015754 Lol, talk to a Hong Konger. Your perspective has been poisoned by the news it is not anywhere near a "war zone" lmfao.
>>1011141 there are no nuclear weapons
>>1016372 Many of Taiwan's airbases are built into mountains, goof luck destroying those >>1017405 I have talked to people from HK, they say that they want independence, and removal of the police

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African Revolution Anonymous 10/20/2020 (Tue) 22:43:53 No. 1017210 [Reply] [Last]
Nigeria is in a battle with itself currently. The Islamic North is now fighting with the Christian South. Protesters in Lagos have been shot by police and being brutalized on the streets.
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>>1017242 The side that was supported by Soviet Union and Algeria with Syria.
>>1017323 But they were also supported by Burgerstan and the UK.
>>1017242 Everyone was pretty shit in that conflict, it was mostly just states trying to gain influence in the country and cozying up to whoever would give them the most power once the war was over. The Biafra secessionists would have probably just become a neocolonial puppet if they won, but in suppressing them the Nigerian government killed like 3 million people, many of who probably didn’t give a fuck about the conflict anyway.

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Anonymous 10/16/2020 (Fri) 22:29:21 No. 1006488 [Reply] [Last]
In late September the Nordic Resistance Movement was banned in Finland by the Supreme court. Few weeks later, in early October, the same illegal Nazi group held a demonstration and police didn't do anything to stop them. The pigs just watched them from 20 meters away. Meanwhile there was another peaceful demonstration by Extinction Rebellion (mostly underage teenage girls) and the police used pepper spray on them and dragged them to cop cars and locked them up for a day. All this happened while we have a Social Democratic government in Finland. We have the Socdems, the Left Alliance and the Green League in power. The police and the Nazis do what they want. The Socdems have no rule over them. Remember this when you think Social Democracy will help us to bring Communism.
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>>1006488 >>1006488 >We have the Socdems, the Left Alliance and the Green League in power I am pretty sure any Parliament do not have such a direct control over what the police on the ground do or not do.
>>1011795 What does picrel have to do with your post, no one here likes Clinton and we laughed the same at libs when Trump won.
>>1008549 What the fuck are you on about, mate? Soviet Union crushing the NRM? The NRM are absolute cucks and traitors to the people, as are all right wing nationalists and have been since the founding of the country.
>>1006488 >Finnish Fuck off snow faggot, Lotta Svärd's don't belong here
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>>1011827 >tfw no Lotta Svärd gf

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News 10/20/20 News Anon 3.0 10/20/2020 (Tue) 19:07:13 No. 1016239 [Reply] [Last]
‘One of the most impressive phenomena in modern Russia’: Communist leader Zyuganov asks Kremlin to listen to Khabarovsk protesters Writing on Twitter, four-time presidential candidate Gennady Zyuganov called the demonstrations “one of the most impressive phenomena in modern Russia,” and asked the Kremlin to listen to the concerns of the aggrieved and “take the path of development and progress.” https://on.rt.com/asx6 Uruguay: Leftist Leader 'Pepe' Mujica Retires From Politics He will be replaced in the Senate by the Broad Front politician Alejandro Sanchez, who was also a member of the National Liberation Movement-Tupamaros (MLN-T). https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/uruguay-jose-mujica-retires-from-active-politics-20201020-0008.html Germany: SPD's Olaf Scholz promises police racism study Finance Minister Olaf Scholz said a study on racism among Germany's police "should have been commissioned long ago." He plans to work with Interior Minister Horst Seehofer, who has previously rejected such a study. https://www.dw.com/en/germany-spds-olaf-scholz-promises-police-racism-study/a-55330774 Eric Abetz refuses to apologise for demanding Chinese-Australians denounce Communist party A conservative Australian senator has refused to apologise after he caused a storm of outrage by demanding three Chinese-Australians publicly and unconditionally condemn “the Chinese Communist party dictatorship”. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/oct/16/eric-abetz-refuses-to-apologise-for-demanding-chinese-australians-denounce-communist-party Forest fires weaken Portugal’s government

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>>1016819 Because the tactic works. The US military teaches mao even though he is a communist. We can not discard a useful tactic just because of it's ideological origin.
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>>1016239 >Uruguay: Leftist Leader 'Pepe' Mujica Retires From Politics Post rare Pepes.
>>1016623 1. When I was a young man during the Bush years, Crimethinc appealed to me with its edgy anarcho-art-punk style. As I matured as a person and a socialist I read more mature theory, and I'm certainly not alone in this evolution. 2. News Anon also frequently includes links to wsws, an organization which deserves nothing but the absolute deepest contempt. I still like News Anon and appreciate his effort posts. 3. Fuck you
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thanks news anon
>>1016623 be nice >:(

Anonymous 10/20/2020 (Tue) 16:45:28 No. 1015616 [Reply] [Last]
For what purpose?
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>>1015616 To preserve based dead man
>>1015616 To pay respects to his life and work? You only live as long as you’re remembered.
>>1016028 >it was a different time!!!! how about you fuck off instead of being offended on the behalf of people who have been dead for 50 years
>>1015616 >there are people on this board who call themselves Leninists without ever having made pilgrimage to his tomb

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Why did China want to crush the Vietnamese Revolution? Anonymous 10/15/2020 (Thu) 23:45:44 No. 1003299 [Reply] [Last]
and why did China back the Khmer Rouge? So much for left unity lmao
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>>1003299 D E N G
>>1003322 For a few reasons. China had a border dispute with the USSR. Mao had split with Kruschev over de-stalinization, and each country began establishing seperate spheres of influence. The presence of a Soviet ally to the south of China put them in a precarious strategic position. The enemy of their enemy was their friend, so they began colluding with the CIA to install an anti-Vietnamese puppet state in Cambodia.
Because they are han national socialist
Vietnamese crushed the vietnamese revolution AND the cambodian revolution. Are you drunk?
>>1017264 Explain

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