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Is a United Front necessary for current leftist success? Anonymous 07/25/2020 (Sat) 19:43:25 No. 719091 [Reply] [Last]
Now I know what you may be thinking: leftist unity is a myth, we can never work with each other, socdems/MLs/anarchists etc. will just stab us in the back and so on. However, I want you to consider something... There is a huge void in politics today that is begging to be filled by anything remotely left of the current status quo as people are getting more and more fed up with the establishment everyday, however, filling that void would require very complex political maneuvering that is out of the league of any single existing political party. So in my opinion, the fastest way to fill this void is for all leftist parties and orgs to join together under some sort of big tent left wing congress that could more effectively coordinate leftist political movement towards the shared goal of worker control of the economy, so you could have for example socdem parties winning small town elections and working their way up from there while boosting smaller but more left parties, while at the same time unionist/antifa/mutual aid groups could do more on the ground organizing workers towards their immediate needs and advertise leftist parties to the masses. I know this may seem a little unrealistic and even if it isn't it'd still need a few years to start coordinating that effectively, but I just want you all to think more about this as I think that in the absence of any major communist party currently gaining anything politically this is the current way forward. I want to hear what you think.
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>>719091 >...however, filling that void would require very complex political maneuvering that is out of the league of any single existing political party. Not really, look at Trump. All you need is a message and stick to it. I'd say win a couple of local elections and dangle those districts you have in front of the Democrats and then pursue a hostile take over of the party. Also purge reddit tier DSA types. (Eventually) We need socialist organizations though that are not necessarily purely political. We have to keep up our movement in the social sphere before they co-opt/ pull and FDR on us. A united front is a political myth regardless of who's side your on (left or right). But it does help if you have several groups all going after the same establishment. For the time being, we need to keep a lid on sectarianism because of what's happening to people at the hands of federal thugs. So in short, a united front is preferable though not always needed. < Me against my brother, my brother and I against my cousin, my brother my cousin and I against the stranger. -Bedouin proverb
I agree with your take, but I just don't see it happening that way. I'm more syndicalist than anything but I'd still support an ML party if I thought it had traction. I cannot say that for most wobblies though.
Stand together or hang separately. The right has entrenched power and the only way to defeat that power is to concentrate all the left's effort on defeating it without wasting any effort on infighting.
>>719091 My local socialist sect-front will be practicing United Front tactics when we vote for Joe Biden this November, because we reserve the right to criticize him on our Facebook page.
Yes. Obviously. There are like 500 communists tops in my city and they are split over about 10 different groups

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lefty booru Anonymous 07/29/2020 (Wed) 08:04:44 No. 728840 [Reply] [Last]
https://leftypics.booru.org/ is giving me a privacy error is anyone else having this problem?
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just hit accept and don't be so paranoid nigga
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>>729079 It's just an expired certificate, booru.org probably just forgot to renew it.
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>>729113 thats what they want you to think
>>728840 Why do I feel like homos aren't welcome there?

Federated Imageboard Technology Anonymous 07/29/2020 (Wed) 05:35:13 No. 728646 [Reply] [Last]
I've been thinking of Mastodon lately and the idea of federation. I've also been thinking of gochan and the efforts here on /tech/ to develop a new chan based on golang. One thing that is learn is that the chaniverse, the 'alt chan' community is declining. Instead of writing yet another chan, something new needs to happen: A common protocol or interface which defines server to server and frontend-to-server operates. This protocol would be defined as JSON endpoints, possibly extended off the already existing 4chan api which is read only. Normal federation is based off of following individual users (see activitypub protocol), whereas this would be based off following boards/topics. The frontend-to server api definition would be there so that mobile clients etc can be made that are standardized, allows SPAs and mobile clients to use it while also providing an optional server-side rendered version for browsers, in case people don't want the javascript of an SPA. Also it would allow everyone to write their own chan software while having it all interoperate with a wider universe of alt chans. The same restrictions of mastodon (ex: blocking certain other instances) could also apply. The only think I think would be needed was individual accounts/registrations so that individual users could follow boards on other sites and it wouldn't have to replicate more than necessary what does everyone think? I am i missing any details? is this a good idea?

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>>728696 uh, how is that less secure? its less incriminating because cheese pizza images don't get replicated across the network and you can simply block an instance
>>728700 You can block nodes and users on nntp chan too.
>>728739 hmm, looked it up and it mostly seems to be onion sites. In any case federation is not the same as full replication/decentralization. I'd rather have the imageboard version of mastodon, somebody make that
>>728741 >i dont want to use thing that exists. Someone write code for my project scrub. 'ideas men' are scum.
>>728743 the problem isnt making it the problem is getting people to use it. How exactly are you gonna get people to use any new tech, without some coordinated spam campaign or something

Taking Intersectionality Seriously Anonymous 07/24/2020 (Fri) 00:51:25 No. 714117 [Reply] [Last]
Taking Intersectionality Seriously I have done something most people on leftypol would consider anathema: Read Kimberlé Williams Crenshaw Since 2017, Crenshaw (along with Hooks and Butler) has been the bugaboo of leftypol since her theory of “intersectionality” is widely considered anti marxist and is used by liberals to argue against socialism and even economic justice more broadly. I decided to actually read Crenshaw in her own words instead of listening to her being regurgitated by secondhand liberal sources. The sources I used: 1. Mapping the Margins: Intersectionality, Identity Politics, and Violence Against Women of Color 2. Demarginalizing the Intersection of Race and Sex: A Black Feminist Critique of Antidiscrimination Doctrine, Feminist Theory and Antiracist Politics These are relatively short writings (19 pages and 31 pages respectively) So going over them isn’t a huge burden. >Over the last two decades, women have organized against the almost routine violence that shapes their lives. Drawing from the strength of shared experience, women have recognized that the political demands of millions speak more powerfully than the pleas of a few isolated voices. This politicization in turn has transformed the way we understand violence against women. For example, battering and rape, once seen as private (family matters) and aberrational (errant sexual aggression), are now largely recognized as part of a broad-scale system of domination that affects women as a class. This process of recognizing as social and systemic what was formerly perceived as isolated and individual has also characterized the identity politics of people of color and gays and lesbians, among others. For all these groups, identity-based politics has been a source of strength, community, and intellectual development.

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>>728274 >uncritically accepting the framing offered by a FUCKING MEME
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>>728190 >once you make over a certain amount of money you invariable end up being capitalist
>>728673 you do, unless you hide all your money under a bed. What the fuck do you think happens to money in the bank account? it gets lent out to other people for interest AKA it enters the circuit of capital. read that fucking linked article niggur
>>728673 I mean he has a point, unless the person is so retarded that they spend all their money on consumption goods like MC Hammer or someone.
>>728658 >>728652 I see no argument

Anonymous 07/28/2020 (Tue) 23:48:48 No. 727531 [Reply] [Last]
Are black nationalists comrades or just reactionaries?
Idpol
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For example, as far as I know New Black Panther Party is cringe black nationalism. Meanwhile New Afrikan Black Panther Party is based
Depends. Certain nationalist sects can be revolutionary or reactionary
All nationalists are reactionary.
>>727531 Reactionaries, because their base is shit. Am*rican blackkks support imperialism overseas and vote democRAT at home. Some of the worst imperialist bureaucrats in recent memory were nigras, like Condoleeza Rice, Colin Powell, the Obamas and Susan Rice.
spooks

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Inheriting economically valuable land as a socialist... Anonymous 07/26/2020 (Sun) 12:09:07 No. 720458 [Reply] [Last]
So my grandparents live on what was once a farm not far from a major city, and the area around their house has slowly transformed into one of the most sought after and expensive residential suburbs. A lot of the old sheds and barns and small fields are still there, albeit abandoned, in the middle of upper middle class villas. Some of it is part of the old farm building, then there's ~2500 sq metres of building land. Me and my brother will soon inherit all of this, and we need to think of ways to use it. A local architect has already offered 400,000£ to buy it from us to build on, but I would like to use it for something better. What are some uses for such a piece of land that could in some way be productive for the community, or at least not entirely driven by greed ? As a leftist, this isn't the most comfortable of situations
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>>721446 t. Retard
>>720482 1. Do farm good 2. ? 3. Profits 4. Fund political parties, guerilla movements, propaganda, etc to support our cause. Basically become who the rightists think George Soros is after getting enough wealth, but be careful anon so the feds don't find you out.
what's the area around it like and do you have money to develop the property?
>>721507 This Either build a fuckton of housing on it, or make it a free park.
>>720458 not to be a prick but 400k doesn't sound like much. Take it real slow, figure things out first. And listen to: >>720651

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Victorian Socialist FAQ (Aus) + semi-official thread VicSocCommissar 07/24/2020 (Fri) 07:06:03 No. 714588 [Reply] [Last]
Hey Comrades, thought it'd be worth putting ourselves up here to see if anyone is interested in getting involved/joining or just has some questions generally. Victorian Socialists is a recent electoral party founded in feb 2018 in Melbourne thats contested state, federal and now is gearing up for some council seats. > Who are Victorian Socialists? Originally a combination of Socialist Alternative, Socialist Alliance and independent socialists (Me) who've come together to make a far-left coalition to contest elections in Melbourne. > What policies do you have? The relevant council ones can be found here https://www.victoriansocialists.org.au/covid_19 and previous policies from the 2018/19 election are also available on that website > Are you Social Democrats? The electoral project is, but the vast majority of members aren't. > Are you a front for Socialist Alternative? No, though they constitute the largest number of members and were both instrumental in setting it up/funding it it is *not* a front for SAlt > Didn't Socialist Alliance split? Yeah they did, not that they vert large or active (Though sad to lose Sue Bolton) > What makes you different from The Greens? Our policies and members are significantly different, though The Greens did nick some of our policies in 2018 and water them down some. It'd be fair to say that we focus significantly more on class/unions rather than just trying to get Green-Capitalism. > Is this thread official?

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>>722671 fair enough on not pitching it to council but overall i guess my question is what kind of theoretical base you guys are running off if reducing labor hours isn't already central to your agenda i mean marx lays the situation out pretty clearly >Capital is dead labour, that, vampire-like, only lives by sucking living labour, and lives the more, the more labour it sucks. >If the labourer consumes his disposable time for himself, he robs the capitalist.
>>714588 >Our policies and members are significantly different Really, they're not. Your policies are the standard policies found on the policy pages of socialist parties everywhere, checking off all the "correct" issues. What's the point of forming yet another cookie-cutter socialist party that alienates a substantial chunk of the country for the sake of pandering to minorities? Wouldn't it be smarter to just say, no, bugger it, we're going to differentiate ourselves from the rest of them and focus on working class issues that matter across the board, not let ourselves get bogged down with the usual intersectional grievance bs? There are millions of working class Aussies that would think favourably of socialism if every socialist party weren't hell bent on attacking them. For white men in particular, one would have to be braindamaged to align himself with any of the existing parties. "Socialism" today, i.e. the woke campus variety, is nothing more than a coalition of women, homos, and browns all scrambling over one another, fighting for acknowledgement and recognition of "their" issue, scrapping for their share of the spoils (the white man's output). It's wretched. But it doesn't have to be that way. Focus on this: >Tax the corporations and the rich >Public ownership >defend our civil rights >Workers’ rights >Industry and jobs >Social rights

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>>721959 Do you mind telling a non-Australian the issue with abos? Are they like European gypsies or some shit. Also >anti-white Lol, what a polfaggy way to put it, there's literal anti-white idpol propaganda here that isn't any subtle, such as Settlers.
>>728477 The Greens aren't socialist. The last actually socialist member was Lee Rhiannon and they kicked her from the Sydney branch a few years ago. Moving on from that Imma have a crack at breaking down all the things you clearly haven't looked into. Here goes: >Tax the corporations and the rich On our website under covid above we literally have the tagline "WORKERS WON’T PAY FOR THEIR CRISIS - TAX THE RICH" >Pulic ownership And then "MASSIVELY EXPAND PUBLIC OWNERSHIP" >defend our civil rights on the same page (seriously, I dont think you read any of it and it's pretty obvious) "The State government has unnecessarily restricted political freedoms and over-policed minor infractions of the lockdown laws." >Workers rights Again >Industry and Jobs Again, more on that on the previous elections since this is council but still

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Exploitation in China Anonymous 07/28/2020 (Tue) 17:57:47 No. 726294 [Reply] [Last]
is it true that workers in China get exploited more than their American and European counterparts?
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>>727898 >"They have a single legally constituted body for workers representation" <"Nazi Germany had the exact same structure for legal representation of workers disputes (should be read: The existence and membership (mandated in some places) of the only union that is allowed to exist does not preclude the idea that abuses are taking place)" >"Recognizing and appreciating this nuance is literally the exact same thing as demanding regime change" Quarter-wit, go home.
>>727898 Just wait until people hear about the All-Union Central Council of Trade Unions in the USSR!
>>727993 You're pointing at organization who had the exact same problems of bureaucratic graft - to the effect of jeopardizing socialist construction by shooting down Glushkov' OGAS project, which would have completely uprooted the labor bureaucracy, which, while better than anything in the west, had ossified into a force no different than a normal management body,
>>726543 This is absolutely anecdotal and I would not take it as authoritative, but when I was attending uni in China a sociology professor I met claimed the Chinese suicide rate is actually somewhat higher than is generally reported, and it has been climbing steadily over the last couple of decades. Guy was normally very pro-CCP, but very concerned about this issue. Will see if I can find any of the data/evidence he showed me in English, but it has been a while.
>>726874 I mean there are also ancient East Asian cultural traditions that emphasize laziness and not working very hard. The current material circumstances reward and encourage certain traditions. Same way Protestant sobriety and industriousness was very common in early capitalist Europe

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nice socialist future 08/27/2019 (Tue) 13:42:58 No. 45251 [Reply] [Last]
post artwork for a nice socialist future

avoid, dread-mongering, collapse-porn and techno-phobia.
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Palace of Soviets in 2061 after socialist reconstruction in the 2050s
>>456734 I'm crossposting my request from >>>/tech/3501; would love to see more constructivist literature disseminated online.
Nice
Architecture should be moved to >>>/tech/ or >>>/hobby/, is it possible to move the entire thread there and attempt to colonize those boards with active threads such as these combined with a permanent link in a stickied thread here?

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USA CONSPIRACIES Anonymous 07/28/2020 (Tue) 22:00:32 No. 727117 [Reply] [Last]
What books/podcasts/epic poems can I read to learn the truth about US government secrets and fuckery, i.e. CIA and FBI shit, COINTELPRO, MKULTRA, etc? I'm talking proven or as good as proven US government conspiracies. Gimme what you got.
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i concede that point elaborate
ccp
Who the fuck is the thot in OP's pic? Never ever seen her before.
>>727225 Although Chomsky's stance as a left anti-communist is an indefensible position, new leftists should take this work very seriously because it is a substantial contribution to the theory of corporate media. They should have cited Parenti, of course, since he had similar ideas which preceded theirs, but it is still a great text with exhaustive analyses and fine argumentation.
>>727378 >>727553 literally just searched glowie and that was the first result.

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