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Batshit insane bourgeois historiography and ongoing fabrications v.2 Anonymous 07/14/2020 (Tue) 00:31:10 No. 688638 [Reply] [Last]
Post 'em! You know what I'm talking about... Them fucking trillions! Them fuggen "nuffin good came out of USSR" shit, them "USA won the space race" shit! You know very well what I'm talking about! My previous thread: http://archive.is/GCcfp#selection-5825.0-5827.1
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>>739926 It’s game over the monent he take definitions from the dictionary like Carlgon. What an embarrassment.
>>740883 I could guarantee you those "historians" would freak the fuck out if you'd cite anything from a dictionary as a working definition and go from there regarding any topic, but for some reason everytime it's about "socialism" and "communism" any dictionary becomes the culmination of human thought. Also, I fucking hate this: >leftists like to claim... Like, this isn't honest considering the person never says "rightists like to claim" but what really grinds my gears is that those people seem to think that everybody from Hillary Clinton to the fucking Shining Path is part of some leftist hivemind that only has the same opinions and shares the same takes about everything.
>>698424 There was a thread about this here recently. >Nazino island can't be found on a map because it is now conveniently under water >the only source is the "Black Book of Communism" contributor Nicolas Werth and the Gorbachev-era Memorial NGO >for some weird reason it was hidden until Glasnost with nobody ever hearing something about it >no actual sources seem to exist I call bullshit.
>>741112 >cannibals >Nazino is this where the Nazis came from?
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Anonymous 08/03/2020 (Mon) 17:25:28 No. 742078 [Reply] [Last]
Name a single fucking point he was wrong on. PROTIP: you can't!
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>>744786 >Fixating of jazz is funny though because it's perhaps the genre that the criticism applies to the least. Ikr? It's one of those few very unfortunate and random events in history that turned out wrong. What happened: >german jews flee hitler en masse >Franky boys enter America >keep writing theory, start visiting clubs >they hear american popular music >wow, it's shit Eggz cuzen me, dear bürger jungen? Was is this music called? <it's jazz, grandpa! Same with movies, really. They were watching complete schlock every week. Adorno&co were actually the original Red Letter Media, but instead of vomiting and capeshit they had early horror and romance movies just as vacuous.
>>744755 He wrote a lot of things about everything, compared to the rest of his output jazz was just a little essay. >>744786 >Fixating of jazz is funny though because it's perhaps the genre that the criticism applies to the least. Not true and the jazz he was critizing was the one played during weimar. >Improvising and being deliberately avant-garde to some degree is pretty strongly opposed to the trend of commodification which is to make things as bland and uniform as possible. This is not inherent to jazz and improvisation doesn't change a thing in the context of jazz where nearly always the same metrics who prioritize rythm over anything are used. Adorno praised duke ellington later on >It's also a product of black culture which in context had largely been excluded from the mainstream Meaningless statment and borderline liberalism >>744813 >Same with movies, really. They were watching complete schlock every week. Adorno&co were actually the original Red Letter Media, but instead of vomiting and capeshit they had early horror and romance movies just as vacuous. Idiot. Also in the period were he wrote about cinema he never got the chance to see anything but standardize american trash which for the expection of few directors was largely forgotten couple of years later. I mean you are a fucking retard. At least read his stuff before talking shit based on memes you saw posted here.
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>>I don't enjoy this kind of music <JAZZ IS FASCIST!!!
>>744563 Yeah Cockshott is not well rounded lol...especially after his blog post of attacking Hegel even though he was just 18 when he tried. This weak spot is his achilles heel.
Also the problem with Reddit Letter Media and to some extent other critical theorist is more in the method of analysis than anything else. Most movies are fascist or trash. As most music is.

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Communism in contemporary Central Asia Anonymous 08/03/2020 (Mon) 20:43:48 No. 742479 [Reply] [Last]
Greetings all! I recently graduated from university, and during my time there I did a fair amount of work on Central Asia, specifically Kazakhstan; going into graduate school, I aim to continue to study the region. Of course, I don't believe in "producing knowledge for knowledge's sake". I want to study the region for a similar reason Lenin studied the development of capitalism in Russia: to better understand current conditions in order to act more intelligently and effectively. This brings me to the subject of this thread: communism in post-Soviet Central Asia. In Kazakhstan, for example, there is the Communist People's Party of Kazakhstan, but it is completely in line with the regime and -- correct me if I'm wrong -- generally has very little impact on Kazakhstani society. However, are there other, more "real" (pardon the basic language) communist movements in Central Asia? Additionally, whether there are or aren't, I'm also curious if anyone here knows how people in Central Asia feel about communism. I hear about communist movements in the Philippines, Sri Lanka, Mexico, Spain, Nepal, Italy... but never do I hear about Central Asia (namely the post-Soviet states of Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan, and Tajikistan). Assuming I'm able to continue studying the region, and ergo able to get travel grants to conduct research in the region, it is a goal of mine -- however possibly overly optimistic -- to be involved with and/or initiate some sort of communist organization, education, etc. in Central Asia.
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>>742945 According to wiki Kazakhstan's GINI is 27.5. Lover than Sweden's but higher than Norway's 24.8
>>742483 If there is such a thing as irrelevant land, don't choose literally what is between Russia, China and Iran with tons and tons of natural resources. Not even small island nations on Oceania are irrelevant on a strategic point of view
>>742479 My family is from Kazakhstan, they moved here to the US in 1999, post collapse. We aren't Kazakhs we are actually Armenians, and from what I understand a marginalized group in the country. My family will constantly speak very well of the Soviet Union and socialism, but they had almost zero understanding of how it works, in fact my mother was speaking about how under Kunaev, small private businesses would pop up and how much better they were than the government markets. The Central Asian region is super reactionary area, and speaking well of the previous government is very discouraged, because "hey guys we have capitalism and democracy now!!!!!1111!11!!11" The youth, in my opinion, are very directionless, they obviously cannot support a country they never lived in or lived in for like one year, but they also do not seem to want to make a difference, but maybe that is just my extended family or something. TL:DR - People have been heavily indoctrinated to hate Socialism and the previous system, but once you ask about their childhoods it is nothing but good times.
>>744396 Very, very interesting, thank you for your perspective! I did know there was a big push in Kazakhstan to present the country as liberal/capitalist/progressive/etc., but I didn't know that it went as far as casting the prior regime in a bad light. From what I understand, the Russian Federation has, on an official level, a decent amount of nostalgia for the Soviet years -- would you say the mood toward the USSR in Kazakhstan is indeed more negative than the mood in Russia?
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>>744784 The Stalin period is what most really reference for the sake of "horror". I think you can see these attitudes reflected in polls, Kazakhstan last I checked only really had ~40% of people saying the Soviet Union was good, but I could be wrong. I remember being told by my grandfather that a lot of folks complain about Mirzoyan, and I believe that is one of the "reasons" the nationalist government uses to marginalize Armenians, but again I am not too sure. I do also remember that they relatively recently found "evidence" of Stalin ordering Kazakhs dead, but I never bothered looking into it, the idea seems nonsensical considering the archives have been open for decades. But as for the people, I would say they have nostalgia for the time, but they refuse to admit it because it was during the "Russian occupation", my immediate family I know has great nostalgia for it, my extended told me stories about their childhoods too, but this is just anecdotal evidence.

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/leftydeutschpol/ - Deutschland General Anonymous 07/17/2020 (Fri) 20:48:29 No. 698135 [Reply] [Last]
Wie macht man sich am besten aktiv als Kommunist? Welchen Gruppen kann ich mich anschließen, um bedeutsam was voranzutreiben? In einem anderen Pfaden wurde schon gesagt, dass es keine Militanten kommunistischen Gruppen hier gibt, was sehr schade ist. Gibts zumindest Schützenvereine, die von Kommunisten behaust oder betrieben werden? Ungefähr wie die Nazis, die nach Tschechien fahren und sich dort mit anderen Nazis in ihren Schützenvereinen treffen. Momentan bin ich nur Teil der IYSSE.
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Will "Ordoliberalism" outlive the chancellorship of Angela Merkel? How durable is it as a system?
>>744057 Because America is basically a failed state
>>744047 I don't think that's a problem as long as you don't look like a refugee or African the people are pretty chill German woman also really like your kind
>>744102 Bullshit. I have lived here all of my life as half latino and women aren't interested in me at all.
>>744118 I just know like three latinos and they can dance well which gives them a great advantage over the average german they also seem more extroverted but i'm no expert

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COVID-19 pandemic thread. Anonymous 07/07/2020 (Tue) 10:12:14 No. 672138 [Reply] [Last]
Why the FUCK is the US so bad at handling coronavirus? COVID trackers : https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (World) https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html (World) https://covidtracking.com/ (USA) https://rt.live/ (Reproduction rate of the virus in the USA) https://www.covidexitstrategy.org/ (Tracking each individual US state's COVID-19 Response)
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>>742969 >Kim Jong Un didn't show his face for 2 days? Of course he's dead.
>>744156 Or the US is just selling corn for cheap right now.
>>744297 Wrong. https://www.upi.com/Health_News/2020/05/12/COVID-19-reaches-rural-America-as-number-of-cases-rises/9131589304431/ It's taking longer to hit but no less dangerous. In fact it's causing major issues because of the lower hospital infrastructure.
>>744588 I still don't understand how anyone can believe anything the media tells us about N.K. Especially since they've declared Un dead like 5 times. It's especially funny since they say they live in a twisted propagandized state as the U.S media continues to make insane lies about the regime.
>>744724 This is the most likely reason tbh. Corn future has been down since March due to the lack of demand following corona

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Anonymous 08/04/2020 (Tue) 13:35:39 No. 744236 [Reply] [Last]
Why where the khmer rouge so retarded? Why were they fixated with farm life and anti-intellectualism? Are there any retarded leftists still that ever supported them outside of kampuchea?
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he was a primitvist
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Pol Pot was Bursys prove me wrong .
>>744236 >>744236 lets be honest, without cia, and china help (mostly in bargain against us favors), they would have collapsed pretty fcking fast. They were retarded mostly cause pol pot was retarded, and all leadership was this retard and his friends. Poor uneducated peasant didnt know any better and thought by following them things would get better, and as they kinda hated urbanites, they bought fully into the retarded pol pot narrative
>>744298 >>744318 Is this a bad joke? Because almost all vietnamese in Cambodia was exterminated.
>>744761 its just a meme, no one actually supports polpot

Anonymous 07/02/2020 (Thu) 14:57:09 No. 661184 [Reply] [Last]
#BREAKING: Jeffrey Epstein confidante, British socialite and heiress Ghislaine Maxwell, has been arrested by the FBI https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/ghislaine-maxwell-arrested-jeffrey-epstein-aide/2495762
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>>742062 See pic related
>>742062 There is a difference between having sex with a teenager who is on the cusp of manhood, and having sex with a literal kid.
>>742062 you're so fucking retarded
>>742062 Nice bait

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Torrent boy 08/03/2020 (Mon) 19:17:55 No. 742288 [Reply] [Last]
I see a lot of conservatives saying, that we are a bunch of "endoltrinated" children. serious question now. Do you think you were "endoltrinated" to be a leftist? Of course, I KNOW that the answers will probably all be negative, but I want to know if anyone believes they were. If most of the answers are negative, why do right-wingers say that we were "endoltrinated"? What evidence do they have of this? What does it mean to be "endoltrinated" for a right-wing? After all, aren't they the ones who follow dogmas?
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>>744674 >that image Being american is a mental illness.
If anything it was my extreme contrarianism that got me where I am.
>>744674 This seems like all it'll do is cause resentment.
>>744674 Why are universities so good at indoctrination they beat out parents?
>>743053 Yes but vague socdem, to anarchist to ML and my grandfather instead of apolitical was registered in the national fascist youth movement.

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Will a new hitler rise up from the ashes? Anonymous 07/30/2020 (Thu) 00:18:01 No. 731531 [Reply] [Last]
Will there be a new Adolf Hitler just around the corner or will it never happen again? Very curious?
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>>737300 We should call everybody n*gger to stop this.
>>737300 >>741102 Off to the homosexual, multiracial and multiculturalism, run gulag with you two.
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>>741105 >Off to the homosexual, multiracial and multiculturalism, run gulag with you two. For the fuher parteigenosse.
>>732067 The Iron Guard's unique emphasis on religion made them unique among interwar fascist movements. The Movement believed that fascists could still go hell for stuff like murdering people, and some of their members accepted that they were consigning their souls to an eternity in hell in order to strengthen Romania.
>>741105 >USSR but ok with not-straights Actually please do this.

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vegan+refusal to work thread Anonymous 07/28/2020 (Tue) 16:48:32 No. 726175 [Reply] [Last]
A general thread for leftist deep ecology and anti-work anarchism
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>>744138 We can reduce our agricultural land use by cutting out beef and pork, use meat rabbits or something else comparable to replace it
>>743996 Are you a solipsist? Because I don't see how your position could be coherent outside some kind of extreme subjective idealism.
>>744146 Or you can cut out the meat and eat this cricket, faggot.
>>744151 He's unironic schizos who refused to take his meds and """"self medicates"""" with lumpen drugs like marijuana. Just ignore him. He runs /dead/ so the jannies like him for some reason and will literally never do anything about his constant derailments and spam.
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