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🦅 /USApol/ 🗽 United States Politics 🏈 Anonymous 05/26/2020 (Tue) 19:10:57 No. 531727 [Reply] [Last]

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>>1034887 Bull-Moose when?
Wtf I love Hunter now BIDEN 2020
>>1034887 This is a pretty good point, but I don't think either party has any real actual will to do anything, unless a whole bunch of white zoomers actually turn out to be fascist in disguise, I just can't see it happening either way.
>>1034887 >I think the Trump administration and its base of support have real potential to establish a new, possibly fascist status quo I think this is: 1. Unlikely either way 2. More likely as a reaction to a Biden re consolidation crackdown than under the flailing final years of Trump
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Goddamn democrats are useless

🗑️ /ITG/ – Internet Trash General 💻 Anonymous 10/12/2020 (Mon) 02:55:49 No. 986104 [Reply] [Last]
Containment thread for the lowest forms of internet discussion: 💩 Social Media Screenshots 📞 E-celeb Gossip 🕸️ Internet Happenings
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>>1034528 >Millennials think that joining an NGO is a great way to save the world. I say no. Start a company. this is fucking grim. as someone who works in tech only psycopaths start companies to "save the world". the goal of normal people is to sell to google/facebook for a couple mil and never work again
>>1034761 Schnitz was right
>>1034503 >by sheer cinematic innovations Not really it was just the first large feature film to use them. It ripped off a lot of other smaller directors.
>>1034428 This isn't exactly wrong. Kazakhstan was an integral part of the USSR and even still has the Cosmodrome, which even the USA uses for space missions. They only have a 20M population though. It would make more sense to me if it was one of the smaller countries where there really is nothing.
>>1034930 He probably just picked Kazakhstan because it has an interesting/weird name

Who’s at the top of your “I’ll be glad when they’re dead” list? Anonymous 10/19/2020 (Mon) 05:56:54 No. 1012975 [Reply] [Last]
I’ve been watching a bunch of videos of people celebrating Thatcher’s death and it got me thinking about who I’d go out into the street to party over their death for. I think my #1 choice is probably G. Maxwell, but only after she’s properly sentenced to prison or death. If she gets assassinated I’m going full chimp mode.
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Tony Blair
>>1013467 We hate the christcom, don't we folks?
Noam Chomsky
all white people

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What are the Revcoms doing right, and can we do it better? Anonymous 10/23/2020 (Fri) 21:42:14 No. 1029439 [Reply] [Last]
This is a thread for anons involved in ML orgs (whether it be CPUSA, PSL, FRSO, PCUSA, APL, NABPP, or any other org under the sun) to confront the pressing issue of the Revcoms and their meteoric rise in prominence. First, I'm going to state the obvious: RevCom US is little more than a cult built around Avakian that is so far removed from international Marxist-Leninism that even its former MLM sister parties have denounced it. Furthermore, I don't want this thread to be seen as any sort of justification for the Revcoms, as I believe them to be too innately corrupt and cultish to be saved once Avakian kicks the bucket. However, with that said, there's a burning question we in other orgs need to ask ourselves: why are they doing so much better than us? Every weekend seems to be giving them larger and larger crowds, more and more publicity, and even further public recognition as THE communist party. It's gotten to the point where crackpot theorists like Alex Jones genuinely fear them overthrowing the government, as well as interviews (ie exposure) by people like Tucker Carlson. They're occupying city streets across the country, overwhelming campuses, and are getting a lot of media buzz. Clearly, as deluded as they may be as theoreticians, they are most certainly excelling at organizing, judging by the sheer momentum of their org. As much as I hate to say it, unless we start learning from Revcom organizing and start reinvigorating our respective orgs, we risk letting the Revcoms take up the position of the paramount ML org in the US, something which I think we'd all like to avoid. Here are some successful components of the Revcoms which I think we could learn to implement: 1. A strong social media presence. Unfortunately, our orgs lack a very strong social media presence, with most accounts staying dormant for up to weeks on end. Meanwhile, the Revcoms see an absolute storm of social media posts and content. For example, while the PSL Instagram last uploaded a week ago, the RevCom Instagram regularly uploads upwards of five posts a day, always concerning upcoming events or news events. As far as I know, despite the CPUSA having by far the most legitimacy (for now), they don't even have an Instagram account. I'm not saying that we need to solely focus on social media, but we should have regularly posting, consistently-engaging platforms to expand the party. We can't hope that your average zoomer is going to randomly stumble upon People's World or Fight Back!, there needs to be some much broader outreach on platforms that they already use. It doesn't even require much, just get one of the org's younger members to set up a social media page and just post regularly on issues that matter. If we don't, we risk losing the internet to Avakian. 2. We need to focus more on current, important issues rather than keep descending into sectarian nonsense. It's hard to remember when we spend so much time in leftist circles, but here's the truth: practically nobody gives a shit about "theoretical purity" or which party backed who almost a century ago. They care about real answers to the issues they're facing, like dealing with Trump or opposing ICE. Avakian has tapped into this, and has taken advantage of this vacuum. He's sparked multiple single-issue campaigns, such as Refuse Fascism, to infiltrate broader social movements and give his party sway over the broader concerned populace. So far, this has worked marvelously well, with the Revcoms leading some surprisingly massive protests against Trump and police brutality these last four years, and certainly pulling more protesters than, say, the CPUSA has pulled in a couple decades. I'm not saying that theory and guiding principles aren't important, they most certainly are, but you aren't going to win over any non-Marxists by just talking about how great your theory is. If we want to start putting a mass movement together, we need to start putting the sectarian slapfights and Marx bookclubs aside and instead propose fighting real, current struggles. 3. We need some real, inspiring leadership. I'm going to ask all of you something, and while I'm sure some of you will know, I bet most of you won't: who's currently the chairman of the CPUSA? How about the FRSO? Maybe you can name the head of the APL . . . I thought not. You see, communist parties excel when they have solid, charismatic leaders, people who can inspire workers and have name recognition. People like Browder, Foster, Hall, Cannon, Marcy, Davis, and plenty of others had strong leadership that lead to people rallying behind them, and in many cases founded their own "isms". What have we had since? Bachtell, Webb, and a few other leaders who can't even get their own Wikipedia pages? Meanwhile, you have Bob Avakian, a man who, despite all his general awfulness, you most certainly have heard of before. You hear Revcoms, you think Avakian and "Avakianism". He gives speeches, he writes short blurbs to be posted on social media, he plasters his quotes on everything, he speaks to large crowds. Clearly, this has created a strong bond between him and his party, and has given them a firm sense of direction without getting bogged down in infighting. Now, I'm well aware that the Revcoms take this WAY too far, to the point where they can't stop jamming Avakian's name into everything and they basically have a cult of personality. This is going to be a massive problem once he croaks, and I wouldn't be surprised if the whole party falls apart once he does. However, there still must be some middle ground between having a cult of personality and having your leaders be literally-whos within their own parties. Personally, I think that La Riva and Rashid have found this balance, and I advise other parties to follow suit. 4. We need to take to the streets. We can't just keep holing away in dusty bookclubs and farmer's-market booths, we needs to show the discontented masses that we are a revolutionary party dedicated to obliterating the miserable status quo. Again, the Revcoms have excelled at this, and you can easily find on YouTube the sheer scope of the protests they've organized, alongside their punchy slogans and publicity-drawing stunts. Meanwhile, you'll be lucky to see any other org get a few people together to hand out flyers, and even that is worryingly rare. If we want to win over the masses, we need to show that we are willing to join them in the streets and fight for their issues. These are the points I've identified so far, and I encourage other org members / potential org members to chime in about what we can do to fix this mess. Because unless we do something soon, there is a VERY good chance that the Revcoms will eclipse the CPUSA as the "legitimate party", and I wouldn't be surprised if they've already reached higher membership at this point. And if the Revcoms do become the main org of the American left, then we will be letting an insane cult organize the masses instead of a genuine, stable vanguard. Just imagine how porky would love it, if the workers had Bob fucking Avakian as their leader. Needless to say, it would be catastrophic for American socialism. This can only be averted by a concerted modernization effort by our respective orgs, to reach out to the people and build a genuine connection. If we don't, we'll be surrendering the vision of Marx and Lenin to the coked-up ramblings of a media-savvy hippie. I, for one, won't let that happen.
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>>1029439 I haven't seen much of the RevCom's influence growing, but I'd like to put in my own 2 cents for problems with the present Communist parties. Speaking from the perspective of someone involved in the CPUSA. I believe what it comes down to is trying to understand power whilst being immersed in liberal culture. Liberals don't know how power works, but they create a meta-narrative around how they think it does. Liberals sanitize the power-process into this thing revolving around discourse, desires, and political norms. Such a worldview, being so ingrained in our culture, naturally infects even the most radical of Marxist-Leninist parties. This isn't a new problem, in fact it's what drove the first real schism between Anarchists and Marxists. Anarchists approached power liberally, that is to say, they valued the primacy of the individual. They seemed to believe they could establish Anarchy either with no prior-structure and organization beforehand, or via men like Bakunin fetishizing "conspiracies." Lenin once said: "Without power, all is illusory." That's more than just an edgy quote. Without power, without a measurable way to claim power, nothing you do matters. What lets the RevComs punch above their weight? For one: the fact they're a cult insulates them from the larger superstructure. In their minds, Bob Avakian literally is the leader of the world revolution, they live in the BA-world, not the real world we do. They sure as fuck can tell you what Bob's favorite drink is, but they probably haven't ever heard of Hamilton. This insulates them from the assumptions that liberalism places in our culture. Their cult, their "insulation" is the superstructure of the org, but the source of their power is their militancy. You can be sure that if Chairman Bob orders you to move to another state, you sure as fuck will. They have a strict hierarchy disciplined into them, and it lets them act with conscious intent. America has always had an Anarchist leaning in its radical politics. Trying to ignite a revolution among Anarchists is like building a campfire out of pinewood: it wont burn through the night, so either torch the whole forest or freeze to death. Anarchists can be great on the small scale. They can mobilize a protest in hours, they can even perform some revolutionary actions here and there (usually petty banditry) but once the fire starts they can't follow it up, and their whole experiment comes crashing down.

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>>1034348 >Any party that actually aspires to power, would not have been willing to destroy itself like that. This whole post is an excellent summary and I agree with it. If you don't have any real power or even expectation of getting it, any little thing can be grounds for an existential crisis.
>>1033355 >All of this is insane, and I sincerely worry that these guys are overtaking our other domestic orgs. They're not. I don't they can grow very much, structurally, because like CPUSA anon said the org is designed to keep the members insulated. The reason Maoism was effective in China (and why Marxism-Leninism is effective when it's good) meanwhile is because it had a flexible combination of centralizing and decentralizing aspects. The theory of how to make revolution was very well thought out, where you can apply dialectical materialism down to the molecular composition of a frying pan. Think of it like an ideological weapon or tool you can use to train cadres which they then take and apply themselves in the most ass-blasted parts of rural China that don't even have road connections let alone telecommunications. They needed to be able to operate in a disciplined but also flexible fashion in remote areas -- without regular communication -- for months at a time. And it was designed to replicate and scale over these vast areas of the country and focused on investigation and analysis of the material conditions wherever they were: the reality. And the centralizing side of the equation allowed shifts in the strategic focus of the overall party during each stage of the process. Whereas in the U.S. today, if you tried to dogmatically apply the same tactics, it wouldn't make any sense at all. It's like the Gonzaloite groups. They say to do it this way because Gonzalo said to do it that way, and he said it because Mao said it, even if they're at a completely different stage of the process than those guys were, so they end up working their way backwards into a kind of idealism in which Gonzalo is like a religious figure or something. In other words, a cult.
>>1029684 Second the PSL being too much outside. They’ve actually gotten very good at mobilization, but have no clue what to do with it!
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>>1034702 Thanks! I think often about an anecdote I'd heard somewhere: that when Kerensky had to flee St. Petersburg when the Bolsheviks overcame it, he passed by some graffiti that said "Down with the Jew, Kerensky! Long live Trotsky!" I'll be the last person to argue that "Conservative" Socialism is needed, I see that as a misguided attempt at overcompensating for "liberal" socialism. However that anecdote shows the level of pragmatism that the Bolsheviks worked on, such that, while stamping out anti-semitism wherever it reared its ugly head, they still could get people with anti-semitic views to fight alongside their Jewish comrades towards the same goals. That example, of course, is comparatively more extreme than the passive-aggressive twitter spat I'd mentioned. >>1034734 The worst element of idealism, is its fallback on "the tainted ideal." This is found in every flawed ideology, and I believe it has to be excised if we want to be a power in politics. The "tainted ideal" as I define it, is this notion that the primary goal of the party is the defense of the party line from "impurities" within and without of the party. Since, for example, racism cannot be tolerated by any Marxist worth his salt, the slightest indication of racism, even accidental racism, is met with ruthless purging by the party apparatus, even if it means expelling a large portion of the party to your party's disadvantage. It completely ignores the fact that if you have a good party line, then Racists wont be attracted to your organization in the first place, and if you have a great party line, the presence of racists within the party wont pose a threat as, consciously or not, willingly or not, they'd be working to dismantle racism. So the struggle against liberalism is also the struggle against idealism, it's the struggle to adopt as material a line as you can. To have as clear and precise an understanding of where your party is in the present moment, and where you want it to be 10 years from now. The more material ones' politics, the more effective they are.

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Islamic fascism Anonymous 10/18/2020 (Sun) 10:17:46 No. 1011838 [Reply] [Last]
What does /leftypol/ think about the terrorist islamo-fascist attacks recently? I must say the decapitation of the history teacher in France really pissed me off. But more importantly, the fact that some imams decided to condemn the teacher cause he showed a nude drawing of Mohamad. Will this reactionary behavior fade away with the wind of revolution and is it any different from our local fascism?
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>>1011838 >What does /leftypol/ think about the terrorist islamo-fascist attacks recently? You're glowing Macron shill
>>1034678 >ban homeschooling to protect from "islamic separatism" (AKA filty mudslimes should be put in their place) >days fucking later a literalwho Chechen randomly kills a priest >use it to justify an expansion of the police state and imperialism in the MENA region >lefty/pol/ shills for you
>>1034778 None of this would've happened if muslims weren't such apes when their religion is "mocked"
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>>1034824 >you don't understand muhammad, you MADE me colonise Syria!
>>1034893 LMAO as if a hardened Syrian dude would even react to westerners mocking him. It's a whole different mentality the people who go to the West vs the ones that stay in their countries.

Depression Anonymous 10/24/2020 (Sat) 13:12:49 No. 1031303 [Reply] [Last]
I know people who are severely depressed to the point of complete dysfunction and yet are ruled by the capitalist ideology. For the longest part of my life "severe depression" was defined as a person who's so dysfunctional they can't get out of bed, can't go to work etc. But most super depressed people I see today are people who work, work, work but outside of that can't get any part of their life to function in a way that even approaches healthiness. My ex-gf was one of these people. She studied linguistics in UNI, then came to job market that had no need for her skills. What ended up happening was she became so depressed that she was unable to feel even basic joy outside of the most basic creature comforts. She was consistently job-searching and doing work of different kinds but outside of that her mental health issues started to explode. We tried to get her to take sick leave many times, but she wouldn't have it. We tried to make her understand that she's a valuable human being even if the chaos of the invisible hand doesn't recognize that at the very moment, but she wouldn't believe us. Sense of worthlessness, paralysis of long term planning (indeed, of even imagining you can have a future outside of your current circumstances), seeing people who try to help you as further proof of your worthlessness. These are the symptoms of the modern terminal depression. My ex got so bad she was talking about suicide every other week. When I tried to make her see herself as a part of a larger economic structure that's fucking hippy detached from the harsh truths of economy. Ignoring the fact I was both employed in a blue collar job, and studying a field that might actually bring us some money. Before we broke up she was finally enjoying semi-stable employment, but the uncertainty of the future only became more crushing by the little advances she had made. Her moods became even more unpredictable, and her general behavior could only be described as "undefined". Her life became a constant dysfunction, while her role as a proletarian became more functional as ever before. I truly and sincerely hope that the class of people who impose this despair and manufactured insanity on the masses will one day feel the full brunt of it. When we're at a point your own family's attempts at taking collective care of you are naturally felt as further proof of your worthlessness, we have entered the eve of a revolutionary period. The people who not only benefit of this order, but torture others by maintaining this old ideology deserve nothing but the full brunt of the peoples despair redirected at them. They have created a mass psychosis of a dysfunctional status quo, so they shall receive a mass psychosis of a revolution.
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>>1034835 Good for those who don't even need to deliberate over whether to live or die, but my broader point is that life itself is pain and those who cannot handle their pain cannot handle their own life and so cannot be owed dignity or respect. Pain is worthless to anyone else but the sufferer, and if you cannot hold an independent will to live then you cannot be anything else but either a parasite or a tool.
>>1034855 >life itself is pain Wrong. Look faggot, just because you've had to endure painful shit you couldn't escape and as a result hold onto a fucking retarded 53 percenter tier cope about life only makes you delusional and unable to empathize, meaning, you are major league sick in the head and not to be taken seriously by anyone.
>>1034768 I asked about brain dysfunction, thank you for sharing. You seem to understand that there are indeed brain traits that influence mood, but also that capitalism is a source of pointless social misery. >>1034855 I would sooner say that life is struggle and that while pain is part of that, if there is no success and emotional release then life is just an un-life. If there is meaning to the pain, then that's one thing, but the whole point of capitalism is pointless suffering for the working class.
>>1032173 I heard this before. Apparently it's because the happy pills can finally give you the energy and motivation to finally go through with it.
>>1034855 >that life itself is pain and those who cannot handle their pain cannot handle their own life You strike me as either a libertarian or on the right spectrum, am I wrong? The question then is, why do political movements arise on the right if not out of fear of pain and the future or some larger ideological purpose that drives them to action and gives them a purpose to live? How would you feel, as an individual, if I told you that the west was becoming increasingly non-white? Would you find it bearable and meaningful to live in such a society, assuming I am correct about the views you hold? The individual does not exist in a vacuum, in other words, but their actions are informed by what is going on around them and how they believe they exist within humanity as a narrative. Some people like racists have a retarded view of humanity, but even these reactionaries draw their purpose by their belief in a view of society and their place in it. So unless you are a libertarian of some sort, who believes in some fantasy of rugged manly individualism which is utterly absurd in an advanced industrialized society with complex divisions of labor and bureaucracies managing our lives, you are deriving your sense of purpose from something-- an occupation, livelihood, or a decent stable living in society which a lot of us here lack or are struggling for.

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/cybersoc/ Anonymous 10/14/2020 (Wed) 15:50:22 No. 997358 [Reply] [Last]
MANDATORY READING http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/socialism_book/ For a complete reading list, see: https://paulcockshott.wordpress.com/2020/05/01/two-reading-lists/ Cockshott's Patreon https://www.patreon.com/williamCockshott/ Cockshott's youtube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVBfIU1_zO-P_R9keEGdDHQ Cockshott's Blogs https://paulcockshott.wordpress.com/ http://paulcockshott.co.uk/ This thread is for the discussion of cybersocialism, the planning of the socialist economy by computerized means, including discussions of related topics and of course the great immortal scientist himself, WILLIAM PAUL COCKSHOTT Previous thread was apperantly accidnetally nuked by the mods, so I'm making a new one.

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>>1031720 don't even pretend to be this retarded
>>1031210 Can you give a reason for thinking he is wrong on this ?
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>>1031720 Nobody is that retarded, it has to be bait.
>>1016715 >One of the chief assumptions that Marx called in question was the “naturalness” of commodity exchange, and the associated representation of the labour time required to produce things in the form of exchange value. He introduced the vocabulary of “forms”: the commodity is a “form”; exchange value is a “form”; money is a “form”. When Marx calls a social phenomenon a form, he means that it is not a universal requirement: it is specific, historically determined and mutable. If you will, it represents one solution to a problem that has other, substantially different, solutions. This is the same person who says that studying Hegel (from whom Marx took the form/content distinction) is pointless, mind you.
>>1034687 What are you saying?

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WAGIE CITIES ARE COMING Anonymous 10/24/2020 (Sat) 01:10:51 No. 1030094 [Reply] [Last]
Companies like Facebook and Tencent are all building entire cities for wagies https://youtu.be/f1fbuOkxugs https://youtu.be/p5eJeiwFMjo Samsung already has one for theirs https://youtu.be/TBsU6sMg7U0 Top kek, neofeudalism is here
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>>1031160 The worst part of it is that people will support this because Wagie Containment Units are the only thing fit for human habitation under ~$1-2,000. >>1031700 It already happened. Recently, it was discovered that execs in South Korea installed a hidden camera in the women's bathroom.
>>1030230 watched it ln, it was ok
>>1034793 kinda hokey but i think that was the point (and all anti-capitalist films seem to be - like you mock this disturbingly awkward world but still live in a > society type of inception)
>>1030094 Company towns aren't a new idea.

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/BOLIVIA/ Election Day Thread Anonymous 10/18/2020 (Sun) 19:41:51 No. 1012356 [Reply] [Last]
MAS won in the first round with 55.1% of the vote. Official vote count: https://computo.oep.org.bo/ Kawsachun News: https://twitter.com/KawsachunNews Camila Escalante from telesur: https://twitter.com/camilateleSUR Alina Duarte: https://twitter.com/AlinaDuarte_
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>>1034664 >>1034665 Also the former justice minister under Evo had all charges against him dropped by a judge. Only a matter of time before they do the same for Evo: Mas have won.
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>>1034660 Finally a succdem party with balls. Hope they can deliver.

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Neo-Cameralism and Voluntary-Communes Anonymous 10/25/2020 (Sun) 15:41:28 No. 1034357 [Reply] [Last]
What is leftypol's thoughs on those ideologies? As you know we live in democracy every group tries to force their values to society but are we really need that?It's like mine values are true ones so all of society should be forced to them or i would be angryy !!11!shit;really why can't we have seperate communities for everybody. Are you green-vegan?go to place where is nearly full of tress.are you an white-fascist?go and live in ethno-commune.dou you not like lgbt?go and live lgbt-free place.are you support mutualism instead communism?then go and live in mutualist place.It's simple.Why are we fighting each other on things like lgbt is degenaracy and should be removed or we all humans should live together even if it's forced ?
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Is forcing rapists into a cell a violation of anarchist principles :thonking:
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>>1034602 The other amazing thing about the Amish is that they're not separated from the rest of the society by any borders. They live in the midst of the most commercially-minded capitalist society in the world and have still managed to maintain their traditions. Their separation is psychological, although also material as they deliberately limit the distance they can travel by refusing to use cars. And they keep to their culture by refusing to watch television or use the internet. If you don't want to be swept up by changes wrought by modernity, stop watching movies, stop playing video games, stop posting online. Unplug and go live on a farm in a patriarchal Bible collective. My brother knows a Greek Orthodox nun who does use the internet, but she literally lives in a Greek Orthodox monastery on a mountaintop in Greece. Pretty cool pen pal to have because they make a lot of stuff themselves and will send you gift packages in the mail. But the modern megachurch Protestant stuff in the U.S. and so on is really weird to her. But modernity is not so bad, if you think about it: https://youtu.be/BQ_ovV6PoRk
>>1034567 Youth sets a person's subconscious views for the rest of their lives.
>>1034860 So there'll be more homosexuals ending up with a BBC fetish and heterosexuals ending up with a cuck fetish Not my cup of tea but no big deal and definitely not my problem


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