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Anonymous 08/03/2020 (Mon) 02:16:15 No. 740828 [Reply] [Last]
Does anyone have that picture of the three soviet buildings with agitprop murals of female liberation etc, and the modern version where those buildings just have coca cola ads or something on them?

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Hawaii General Anonymous 08/01/2020 (Sat) 02:53:02 No. 736212 [Reply] [Last]
>inb4 put it in USA general A general for discussing HI based politics Any other Hawaii-anons here? Answer (optional): CIA/NSA/FBI questions 1. Which Island? 2. Are you involved in any politics/parties? 3. Who are you vooting for in the upcoming elections?
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>>737308 >Historical anti-colonialist movements didn't actively do that. Yes, but presently there are a lot of people talking decolonialism who do want to do that. That's not to say they are inherently linked, but it's an element and if it goes unchecked this tendency can pull people rightward.
>>736212 >Which Island? Hawaii island, most specific I'll say is west side. >Are you involved in any politics/parties? No lol, only real activism we have is native Hawaiian stuff and I'm a whitoid. >Who are you vooting for in the upcoming elections? maybe green if at all. Voting doesn't do jack here because it's all just a club of business sycophants and technocrats in the Democratic party (which is the only relevent party). >>738101 Most hardcore independence activists I've seen unironically want a monarchist ethnostate. Of course you've also got some virtue signaling whites (who probably live off money from their parents in Cali/the east coast). Political independence is a joke at this point and the energy that's put into it would be much better used elsewhere.
>>738993 but the big landowners and military bases are whitoid controlled no? wouldn't the native Hawaiians be more concerned with those capitalist whitoids than the working class/poor people the whitoids' ancestors brought to the islands for plantation labor?
>>736248 That's why we also trade so heavily with Asia, who pays top dollar the for our extremely high-quality fruit and meat. >>740775 >big landowners and military bases Everyone has their finger in the pie. Whiteoidz, Flips, Nips, even the native Hawaiians, all mostly through a cabal of wealthy families with links in old-fashioned "machine politics" and organized crime, doling out favors for access to different commercial concerns. The ruling class here really feels a lot more like a 3rd-world country's lumpenbourgeoisie "compradors" than proper bourgies, but with the usual extractive industry of agriculture supplemented heavily by tourism.
>>740805 >The ruling class here really feels a lot more like a 3rd-world country's lumpenbourgeoisie "compradors" than proper bourgies Well if you believe Hawaiian nationalists thats literally true if you consider Hawaii a colony

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My thoughts on "Settlers" by J. Sakai Anonymous 07/28/2020 (Tue) 03:32:52 No. 725037 [Reply] [Last]
I finally got around to reading it. It is an interesting book with some major flaws and a conclusion I do not agree with. Anyway, here are my thoughts. There are many problems with Sakai's analysis. The most glaring is his treatment of the CIO and IWW which are either blantantly wrong, totally unsupported or supported by only the the most flimsy statistics and misquotes. His idea that the IWW wanted only white worker unity makes no real sense given their steadfast commitment to multi-racial, cross border unionism even during the insane xenophobia or WW1. If they had wanted white worker unity, I am unsure why they even formed an industrial union. Craft unions would have been much more sucessful for that purpose. Sakai alleges that the CIO was fundamentally racist and settleristic and that they really only wanted to use black workers. The actual evidence for this is extremely thin on the ground and Sakai makes multiple assertions with no real support, such as saying that black workers were drafted into the CIO, which simply has no evidence of ever happening. Sakai is sloppy to dismiss the historical instances of multi-racial class struggle, albeit in an embryonic form, with the CIO and IWW. He also leans too heavily into the "nations" model of understanding racial oppression, framing all racial conflicts as a simple National Liberation struggle, which leads him to bizarre places in his analysis and seems to misunderstand that while you can certainly think about a "Black Nation", the white worker and the black worker live in the same interconnected society. Sakai is quick to dismiss analysis of racism that relies on false consciousness explanations, but yet the "materialist" alternative that Sakai proposes is flimsy. He spends a great deal of the book talking about the wealth and privilege of white workers, setting you up to believe that all of them are simply net-exploiters who quite simply, do not have an interest in socialism as they are more like bourgeois profiting from the workers below them than exploited proletarians. They are not exhibiting false consciousness, they are fully conscious of their Settler class and are acting upon it. Sakai has to believe this, or else his analysis makes no sense. If white workers are exploited, then they have an interest in socialism and the argument becomes the same as Ted Allen or Noel Ignatiev, that the White Supremacist ruling class has given then privilege but their material interests fundamentally still aligns with Socialism. But how can Sakai think that all white workers are labor aristocrats? By sheer statistics, if he thinks that nearly all blacks are proletarian, then surely there are whites that are as poor, perhaps even working the same jobs as these black proletarians. And Sakai is willing to admit this. He does so tactically near the end of the book when he describes Appalachian whites and clearly notes that they are being ripped off, and explicitly states that they are exploited, though they lack class consciousness. So here it is, Sakai has fallen back into something closer to the false consciousness stance. If they are exploited, then surely their interests lie in Socialism, but instead of looking at this, Sakai makes a strange point about Settler culture without explaining why these whites, objectively, are not being fooled and have an interest, if only white society could be cracked open, that follows with the colonized proletariat. In his later works where he discusses the "de-settlerization", Sakai again tactically notes that a growing percentage of whites are exploited, but simply brushes off the notion of this leading to any revolutionary potential, despite this simple fact undercutting the entire materialistic analysis and reducing it to a petty analysis of some insurmountable white culture that keeps these whites, despite being objectively exploited even according to Sakai, from ever siding with the colonized proletariat. He simply calls the white working class reactionary and backwards facing and leaves it at that. He is no longer a fierce materialist pointing out of the facts of the exploitative parasitic labor aristocracy, he is reduced to a cynic. Settlers is a dead end. For the black radical it promotes an extremely stunted practice that would have no good function in the increasingly diverse inner ring suburbs that house the modern working class. It is difficult to imagine how one would organize a multi-racial workplace if they thought whites should never be organized. For the white radical who wishes to crack open white society along its class lines, Settlers obscures the contradictions within white society.

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>>740844 What about the racial advantage of Asians? Do they need to acknowledge Asian privilege too? How about lightskin black people, having a White parent would certainly by this logic grant you advantages, do lightskin black workers need to acknowledge their lightskin privilege?
>>740813 >based out of the tragedy sakai records Which is sparsely sourced and taken out of context in multiple areas, especially in his analysis of CIO (in which he attempts to frame it as a manipulative class collaborative force that is led by settlers who wish to counteract minority organizing for the benefit of settler workers, which is so entirely based on his own personal assumptions of intent that it is downright dishonest). He then goes out of his way to misquote Foster demanding multiracial organizing as evidence of him accusing blacks of being the enemies of the white working class. The idea of racism impeding labour movements is nothing new, and many marxists have written about such and how to address it. But Sakai tries to present half hazerdly sourced information in such a dishonest fashion to validate his personal narrative that he isn't even worth utlizing outside of if want to make a very, very specific argument in regards to the white working class and their revolutionary potential, or lack there of. >>740820 >READ THE FUCKING BOOK YOu FAITH DRIVEN FAGGOT!!!!!!!!!!!!! We did you faggot, that's why this thread was made in the first place. You can get everything "good" about Sakai from The Invention of the White Race, without all the convoluted narrative baggage. Sakai isn't bad because he says "racism exists, we need to counteract it through multi-racial organizing". Fuck, you could get that from nearly any Marxist from the 20th century. It's the fact he has to spin a poorly constructed narrative regarding such to NOT EVEN ARRIVE at a point about multi-racial organizing.
>>738463 >They had a white dude ride a tractor in their commercial Wow
Does anybody else think its wild that Settlers and Sakai lives rent free in the minds of much of the online left? Its a pamphlet from some guy with almost no other contributions to theory. Its also pretty limited with the lack of sources and that its only really applicable to the USA and other ex-colonies. I'm pretty sure some of you are taking it far more seriously than most of the people who agree with it.
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>>741648 >search /r/stupidpol for "sakai" "settlers" >7 threads >3 of which aren't even specifically about that in the op, just that happen to mention it >with 301 posts total >search my recollection of this board, especially in the last couple of months >10 gazillion thread >500 bajillion posts I'm thinking the thing living here rent free is a stable population of trolls, and baitsluts with absolutely zero impulse control

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/lefty/ approved documentaries Anonymous 08/02/2020 (Sun) 22:48:25 No. 740339 [Reply] [Last]
Any other good and informative documentaries? Particularly about history? I'm realizing that I'm kind of an idiot about world history.
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Documentaries are not worth your time you can read and get a lot more info
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>>740350 THIS x100% Prolekult is amazing, watch everything they made. Also try to share, his stuff is highly underrated. My favorite are these two: https://youtu.be/-S-CwVJxxug >History is Marching is a feature length documentary analysing the rise in tensions between major powers across the globe over the course of 2018. https://youtu.be/-jLbq9VwOK8 A Dying Culture: The End of Postmodernity is a feature-length Marxist documentary looking at culture, art, postmodernism, video games, data, social media, the state and war in context of the largest crisis in capitalism's history.
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heres a thread about them on >>>/edu/94
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>>740339 Can't remember their name but the history channel had a docu series for ww2 which went in-depth about the resources and industry of all nations involved as well as military operations, they're basically a materialist analysis of ww2 without even realising it. Taught me to think from a materialist viewpoint.
>>740522 They're two different ways of getting info. I often can't get into a subject unless I have a audio, visual, or artistic object to draw me in. Like I can't just pick up a dense book about Chinese history unless I have some pre-interest to hook me into it. Not to mention that visuals are essential to understanding anything today. We cannot go back.

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Shitty Historical Figures We Could Have Done Without Anonymous 08/02/2020 (Sun) 15:57:19 No. 739192 [Reply] [Last]
Hard mode: No Hitler, Stalin, and Trotsky.
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>>739470 expanding eastward, promoting literacy. Neither are "bad" but to say the ruling class literally determine nothing is absolutely retarded and undialectical.
>>739881 Lol idealist crap
>>739881 >expamding eastward that had been a part of the frankish strategy for centuries though, no? Charlie just got big >promoting literacy a part of the roman larp, every Euro since the basedgoths sacked rome has larped as romans
>>739192 Mountbatten Rhodes Leopold
Lenin, Stalin, Trotsky, Mao, Marx, Engels, Bakunin, Sankara, Ho Chi Minh, Che, Castro, Chavez, etc.

News 8/1/20 News Anon 3.0 08/01/2020 (Sat) 18:50:49 No. 737499 [Reply] [Last]
Milos Jakes, Czech Communist Leader, Is Dead at 97 Milos Jakes, the head of the Communist Party in what was then Czechoslovakia during the tumultuous two years that ended Communist domination of the country and resulted in the election of the playwright Vaclav Havel as president in December 1989, has died. He was 97. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/25/world/europe/milos-jakes-dead.html https://archive.is/v2JIc North Korea’s Economy Grew in 2019, Despite International Sanctions North Korea’s economy grew by 0.4% in 2019, the first time Pyongyang posted positive growth in three years, South Korea’s central bank said, helped by increased construction activity and expanded agricultural output.But North Korea watchers cautioned against reading this as a sign of a recovery for Pyongyang’s sanctions-hit economy. https://www.wsj.com/articles/north-koreas-economy-grew-in-2019-despite-international-sanctions-11596198005 https://archive.is/LCT1P Chile Takes to the Streets Against President Sebastian Piñera Chile's social leaders and activists condemned President Sebastian Piñera's omission of human rights violations and mishandling of the pandemic in his administration's public account presentation to Congress on Friday. https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/chile-takes-to-the-streets-against-president-sebastian-pinera-20200801-0002.html Activists occupy arms dealer’s office in defence of Palestine ACTIVISTS occupied the central London office of an Israeli weapons firm today to draw attention to Britain’s complicity in war crimes against the Palestinians.Four members of newly launched network Palestine Action entered 77 Kingsway in Holborn, where Elbit Systems – Israel’s biggest private arms company – has its British HQ. https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/b/activists-occupy-arms-dealers-office-defence-palestine

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>>738534 zulfiqar ali bhutto was bettering the relations with the Soviet Union and would've probably funded the Soviets in Afghanistan had the Americans not funded the Islamic coalition and couped him.
>>738020 Re-opening schools is good. Schoolkids aren't going to die from this, they can barely spread it.
>>739873 Well they wont die, but their grandparents do
>>739883 I suppose its the american problem of zero childcare combined with high work hours making just having grandparents shield impossible.
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>>739873 >Schoolkids aren't going to die from this In 2019, approximately 56.6 million students attended elementary and secondary school in the United States. 0.2% of 56,600,000 = 113,200. https://twitter.com/jeffmason1/status/1286719411496394753 Even if there is transmission of coronavirus among children, we still believe they should be returning to school, ⁦WH Press Secretary says. https://www.thedailybeast.com/israeli-data-show-school-openings-were-a-disaster-that-wiped-out-lockdown-gains Of 1,400 Israelis diagnosed with COVID-19 last month, 657 (47 percent) were infected in schools. Now 2,026 students, teachers, and staff have it, and 28,147 are quarantined.

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Anonymous 07/31/2020 (Fri) 23:38:38 No. 735783 [Reply] [Last]
How did we go from this?
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>>735795 Just don't comment in this thread then
Cause socialism doesn't work
>>739007 Found the glowie white supremacist /pol/ larper.
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>>738729 >Kruschev calls Stalin an evil bogeyman things that literally didn't happen #1 he explicitly says in the 20th congress that stalin's mistakes were made not in malice, but as a revolutionary with the interests of the USSR in mind. decrying stalin and blaming him for this and that was something which occured under gorbachev, e.g. "returning to lenin" and the "collapse of stalinism" in eastern europe. attacking the very nature of soviet socialism was a glasnost thing, which even the most liberal soviet politicians during "khrushchev's thaw" would have found inconcievable.

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Anonymous 08/01/2020 (Sat) 04:39:21 No. 736425 [Reply] [Last]
Did Stalin do him dirty?
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>>739565 >Stalin is too coarse and this defect, although quite tolerable in our midst and in dealing among us Communists, becomes intolerable in a Secretary-General. That is why I suggest that the comrades think about a way of removing Stalin from that post and appointing another man in his stead who in all other respects differs from Comrade Stalin in having only one advantage, namely, that of being more tolerant, more loyal, more polite and more considerate to the comrades, less capricious, etc. This circumstance may appear to be a negligible detail. But I think that from the standpoint of safeguards against a split and from the standpoint of what I wrote above about the relationship between Stalin and Trotsky it is not a [minor] detail, but it is a detail which can assume decisive importance. >>739570 What are you asking for proof of, exactly? That Stalin ordered the purges? I can get you proof, I'm just trying to clarify.
>>739561 >The trial listed the evidence and testimonies, read the transcripts You mean the trials which had no actual physical evidence and relied entirely on eyewitness accounts and confessions given under duress?
>>739600 >What are you asking for proof of, exactly? That Stalin ordered the purges? I can get you proof, I'm just trying to clarify. Didn't Getty come to the conclusion that the purges were a result of centralization attempts during a time of largely afforded local autonomy, which created a great degree of chaos which culminated in party accusations which led to the purges? From my understanding, Stalin mostly facilated a reactive role the majority of time as opposed to an instigatory, and in fact lacked the internal government cohesion needed to carry out most of what he wanted.
>>739756 Why are you defending fucked up shitheads like Yezhov?
>>738284 >According to whom? Horst Falkenhagen, who said of the gestapo, "Toward the end of 1936, Heydrich (the real power in the Gestapo) set out to obtain and did obtain specimens of the handwriting of Tukhachevsky, Hammerstein, Von Seekt and a number of German generals. The leak in this story comes from Admiral Canaris, head of the German Abwehr, to whom Heydrich applied for the documents and for Abwehr handwriting experts. At the same same Canaris also learned that the request was connected with the fact that the Gestapo held in custody four GPU agents in their Berlin headquarters." Chief of the Abwehr, Wilhelm Canaris, rejected Heydrich's request for handwriting samples of Tukhachevsky and the aforementioned generals, likely fearing Hammerstein( a fellow anti-nazi) would be implicated with the Soviets (there is evidence to suggest he had communist sympathies, and his son was known to have communist contacts who he joined up with). Of course the latter is speculation on my part, but it would seem unlikely Canaris would otherwise care about Marshal Tukhachevsky's handwriting being obtained unless it would harm his clique of anti-nazis. Handwriting was obtained from the regular german army, however, despite Canaris' refusal to cooperate. Falkenhagen (a contact of Admiral Canaris) later said canaris told him of Heydrich boasting about having Tukhachevsky arrested. I don't condemn Stalin for trying Tukhachevsky, though I would disagree with his execution even if he was a traitor. Stalin was given false documents by the gestapo, I can't blame him for the wrongful execution of Tukhachevsky, but it's absurd boot licking to deny the fact Tukhachevsky was innocent of treason. Kruschev rehabilitated Tukhachevsky on this basis, as we all know, and knowing the aforementioned General Hammerstein may have had communist sympathies, and his son was a communist, It wouldn't surprise me if either of them passed on this knowledge of the gestapo plot to communists, who in turn sent this information to the Soviets.

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Anonymous 08/01/2020 (Sat) 06:20:13 No. 736571 [Reply] [Last]
Nanjie is one of the last Maoist villages in Chengguang, Linying, Henan. The village GDP achieved 100 million yuan in 1992 and they reject autistic Dengoid policies. The village collectivized its agriculture production and industry. Is this the future that the rest of China should adopt? Sauce: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjie
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>>737660 Because China is so famous for supporting communist parties and orgs in the west and global south
What people don't realize is even if China is a neoliberal country RIGHT NOW with US-like oligarchy it's STILL prudent to support their struggle against the west.
>>739787 What kind of meaningful support could we even give?
>>739817 Countering the propagandas by the west on social networks is effortless. Even shitposting and upvooting help.
>>739780 It could stem from the fact that priorities changed for China, its government stopped working for socialism and started its policy of “returning Chinese glory”. This involved a more positive outlook on Chinese dynasties and ancient history, and a stop on the changing of culture. The Chinese government now is simply more concerned with returning China to a global power than supporting socialism world wide.

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Anonymous 08/02/2020 (Sun) 20:30:25 No. 739781 [Reply] [Last]
Had the bolshevik jews damned the soviet union to fail with their oppression of the deeply christitian majority, alienating itself even more from the proletariat? Anchoring for anti-communism, idpol baiting, and low effort shit
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>>739840 I can't find anything in russian that confirms it.
>>739861 Not circumcision but religious ritual circumcision.
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>>739781 tbh they should've just pushed Christian communism Acts 2:44-45, >"All who believed were together and had all things in common; 45 they would sell their possessions and goods and distribute the proceeds to all, as any had need." Acts 4:32-35, >"Now the whole group of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one claimed private ownership of any possessions, but everything they owned was held in common. ... 34 There was not a needy person among them, for as many as owned lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold. 35 They laid it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need." Matthew 6:24: >"No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money." Act 11:29: >"29 Then the disciples, every man according to his ability, determined to send relief unto the brethren which dwelt in Judaea" Acts 4:35: >"[...] to the emissaries to distribute to each according to his need".


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