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Anonymous 07/23/2020 (Thu) 20:44:47 No. 713445 [Reply] [Last]
Do serious mutualists still even exist?
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>>741017 I meant that socialist try to scapegoat every socialist crisis or error as not real socialism too
>>741797 Not really, MLs are quite adamant when they say they that Soviet Union was socialist, for example.
>>741809 Even then, except the absolute tankyest, few will say it was cummie to the last drop in 1990, with many dropping out at Gorbachev, Brezhnev, Khrushchev, even partway through Stalin.
>>741863 but that is because of Krushchev's liberal reforms. Most stop at Brezhnev and maybe Krushchev, but never at Gorbachev.

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AusCom General Anonymous 05/28/2020 (Thu) 08:24:12 No. 537472 [Reply] [Last]
Do we have many Australians on /leftypol/? Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if not, this country is beyond reactionary.
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>>741373 would be better for the economy and thus LNP's election chances (not that they need help) if they locked down properly - they wouldn't have the stop-start shit
Is fighting anti-Asian racism one of the biggest tasks? I keep hearing about Asians being targeted by racist boomer Aussies
>>741362 when did this happen?
Anything happening in Tasmania?
>>741704 yes it would be but i was being faecetious. theyarent stewards of the economy they are responsive to individual business interests, who want to stay open. They see people being sent out to work to death in the u.s and are asking why not here?

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Anonymous 08/01/2020 (Sat) 17:04:30 No. 737306 [Reply] [Last]
Based
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>>737306 Does anyone know the actual context or are we just going to celebrate someones death like /pol/nigggers?
>>737341 The only think Raskolnikov did wrong was not take the money.
>>738004 Context was it was some retired boomer who was renting out his back room. Not as exciting as it seems from the headline.
>>737341 More of this shit is going to happen as evictions are rolling in
>>737323 That meme makes sense in 4chode where posting is fast but I’m sure no one is going to miss the anchored idpol thread at the bottom of page thirty-fucking-six

Anonymous 07/30/2020 (Thu) 07:51:02 No. 732200 [Reply] [Last]
How do pirates, vagabonds, bandits, and organized crime fit into marxist theory?
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>>734549 CrimethInc is pretty good as far as anarchists go. They are lacking a materialist perspective, and they have some smashie tendencies but I think they're worth a read.
Pirates were exploiters, they survived off the labour of workers.
>>734512 >Socialism in One Pirate Ship
>>734521 Sounds absolutely based can't wait to share me dubloons with mehearties.
>>734256 no, I think I'll just keep trolling shitlibs on here, thank you very much. it's easy enough

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/IG/ - Internet General Anonymous 06/24/2020 (Wed) 18:05:04 No. 637502 [Reply] [Last]
Discuss e-celebs, lefty youtube, twitter, twitch, etc.
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>>726072 I also like hist stuff and I think he is slowly outgrowing the edgy /pol/ humor. His last few videos lacked the usual cheap racist shots and rather rely on absurdist and generally dark humor.
>>731132 >>731137 i only gained like 10 pounds from quarinimeme
>>741286 >bitchute
>>724290 Wigonhead is just a grifter.

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Work or Anti-Work? Anonymous 07/28/2020 (Tue) 14:36:18 No. 725803 [Reply] [Last]
Recently there's been a slight spat on twitter arguing about the relationship of Work and leftism in general, this is about as far as I know on how to even approach this: >On Work As it is now, work can be described as trading your personal time producing/providing commodities /services for an arbitrary amount of fiat usually given by someone that owns the means to carry out such tasks, whom then takes said commodities/services to be sold at a much higher margin in comparison to the amount of fiat given however, the reason why someone would accept this is due to how unless one owns (or partially owns in the form of stocks/shares/investments etc.) said means/platform (or decides to be a landlord), work is largely a necessity, welfare even if provided either does not suffice or often is under threat of being removed by changes in the political sphere, making it's existence incredibly frail and ineffective Now the usual idea thrown around is such work (and it's relations) being non-existent after achieving communism, the point of contention comes during transition to such a state, or if certain situations would necessitate a regression to it. >transition to communism? why not just go for it immediately? I see alot of arguments over the need for transition, mostly centered around how currently we already have a surplus of production, but this surplus exists within capitalism and is unlikely to be sustainable or unexploitative, along with how even if climate change, zero-profits and growing governmental distrust intensify, there is no guarantee that the major powers of the world will all be weakened enough for a global revolution, thus resulting in a similar scenario of the post-WW1/2 period, where nations affected less significantly by these catastrophes became the dominant world powers (well, specifically the united states) , which would (for a time) eliminate the chance of a global revolution and thus an immediate transition to communism (since these world powers would no doubt flex their power and provide moral or literal incentives for their citizens to crush whatever revolutions would occur globally), additional factors include historical racial griefs, ethnic tensions, religious differences/parties, class sympathies (sure, jeff bezos is deplorable, but the average person would still very much question or disagree the repression of local businesses, especially if it's a local food-store they like or something along the lines of petty bourgeoisie etc.) which are unlikely to dissolve without significant repression (especially in the case of religion), in short unless the stars align in a miraculous display of spontaneous global commitment and cooperation towards achieving communism, this seems incredibly unlikely >what's the issue with work then? how could it still be necessary? isn't automation already pretty advanced? don't humans naturally productively carry out their interests, thus merely needing mutual aid to guide them? (Before I go on, I must clarify for those of whom are truly unable to act, like someone in a vegetative state, or recovering from traumatic experiences, this doesn't apply)

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>>741544 Compared to, for instance, a detailed outline of extraplanar travel in 2nd Edition Forgotten Realms? No, not for anything beyond recreation, or understanding perhaps the culture of its authors (be they nerds, or Canaanites with delusions of grandeur). Certainly not as a primary source for anything even vaguely resembling an accurate description of how the brain works.
>>741575 how the brain works doesn't matter as much as the concept of how a brain could come to be if we're talking about physics nevermind metaphysics
>>741420 I don't know but probably from a very handsome and intelligent man.
>>741603 That just circles right back around to "proven falsifiable facts" vs. "idle wankery"
>>740780 >For some people this shit is personal, not academic yeah and it doesn't mean it'll result in victory, if anything it will easily lead to internal struggle if everyone is so easily enraged >The point of labor vouchers is that they're not exchangeable. But there is nothing that prevents people from bartering goods they've bought. Even North Korea has black markets where local production and distribution fall short. fair enough but north korea exists under a state of blockade and technological regression, i wasn't bringing vouchers as a singular solution just what i've heard of >Ever heard of biohackers or communal waste management wholly insufficient or meme tier untested ideas brought up by the kinds of people interested in startups, if you care about maintaining the contentment of the masses post revolution >You're basically saying that certain (socially-necessary) labor is invaluable because it doesn't take place under a specific context. (That of industrialized commodity-production) i am saying it is not sufficient do you just think the citizenry will just magically depopulate into the countryside or automatically work out how to maintain an entire city without it's industrial backbone? it's a real academic exercise to believe your lightly-tested solutions that have no proof-of-work on a scale of say the entire united states would work and not result in the same kind of mass famines/deaths you like to bring up in regards to the USSR and China

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Anonymous 07/24/2020 (Fri) 06:41:13 No. 714557 [Reply] [Last]
Hey I'm a Catholic with strong (and increasing) socialist sympathies. It seems to me that traditional the anti-religious animus of is tied to the fact that the Church was once an important institution of the ancien regime/ruling class. But that's pretty much over at this point. The religion of the ruling class is woke neoliberal secular humanism. So is straightforward anti-clericalism from socialists in 2020 an anachronism? I really hope so
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>>738422 >The true face of Christian forgiveness shows itself. Someone has to repent to be forgiven. >Luke 17:3 Pay attention to yourselves! If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him,
>>740713 1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. 3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? 5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
>>740258 >h-hey look guys!!!! bible baste!!!!!!! <5 cherrypicked verses
>>740258 Good job its impossible to cherrypick parts from the bible that paint a far less nice picture of Christianity.
ah yes, the secular humanist US empire... look, you could just study the relationship of party and religious socialists and ask genuine questions but this bad faith retarded nonsense where you pull your /pol/ack ideological shit out of your ass and try to sell it as antiliberal right wing third positionist wokeness or whatever the fuck this shit you try to pull, shouldn't have a place here and you can take that and fuck right back off from where you came from

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The need for hacktivism Anonymous 07/16/2020 (Thu) 00:04:44 No. 693522 [Reply] [Last]
There has been a major shitshow in Twitter, were numerous "blue mark" accounts were hacked and used to post things like pic related. This only makes me wonder: what would have been the impact if instead of that ridiculous Bitcoin shit, it would've been used for socialist propaganda? Instead of Bitcoin addresses, maybe a link to Towards a New Socialism? Maybe I'm being retarded but it seems like we're missing a huge platform here
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The left should have more quality hackers.
>>715009 there is red hack
I won't speak about the IT aspect of the whole hacking thing since I can barely operate a smartphone but I can give my 2 cents on "what to tweet" question. Most people know about a guy named Karl Marx and a book called Communist Manifesto and even though for some it's the "Gulag, Mao, Venezuela, 100 million book" still people know that it exists they just don't and won't read it. Also would any MAGAtard be fooled by Trump account tweeting "Just learned about this book called 'the Communist Manifesto' very great book I love it, this Marx guy seems like a yuge genius. #MakeSocialismGreatAgain"? Absolutely not. People more well versed in agitprop could write something better but tweeting personalised stuff like "Drone strikes ordered by me, Barack Hussein Obama, resulted in 80% civilian casualties and this was covered up by reclassifying every civilian as combatants after the attacks" or more basic stuff like "you don't need bosses or CEOs" would be better but idk
>>693522 XXXTentacle returned from the dead to post a Bitcoin scam.
>>693823 You can't hack people like Obama that way but you can get into their secure networks by phishing people adjacent to them.

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Operation Baidoodle Anonymous 08/02/2020 (Sun) 16:12:45 No. 739225 [Reply] [Last]
>Google is now making it easier to find Black-owned businesses >Google added a similar feature for businesses that were “Women-Led” https://www.theverge.com/2020/7/31/21348990/google-black-owned-businesses-maps-search 1. Have a black comrade who owns a business get 2 friends. 2. Have 1 of his friends put his business as black owned on Google Maps. 3. Have the other friend vandalise the business with anti-black slogan that mentions Google Maps. 4. Black comrade sues Google for Kristalnachting his business. 5. ??? 6. profit + party donations
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>>739225 or just tell them on twitter you're going to use the feature to boycott black business don't actually do a boycott lol but they'll get the idea
Immediately there's a problem with this set up, and off the top of my head 1. Google will claim that it's not their fault. 2. Google is a large corporation, it's legal teams are skilled, and their primary tactic is not just buying out judges and shit it's making sure the case drags out until you give up. 3. Let's assume best case scenario it's settled out of court for 90k to 200k, that's not enough to bankrupt them even if 50 people do it.
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Google is pretty much just doing this. What the fuck were they thinking?
I don't think you can sue if you ask for it personally

News 7/29/20 News Anon 3.0 07/29/2020 (Wed) 18:16:04 No. 730420 [Reply] [Last]
Government announces reparations for Chiapas massacre that killed 45 Those slain were members of a Roman Catholic group known as Las Abejas (The Bees) that supported the Zapatista Army of National Liberation. They were praying in their church when they were gunned down by the paramilitaries, who were also Tzotzil Mayans. https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/government-announces-reparations-for-chiapas-massacre-that-killed-45/ https://archive.is/7o4H6 Bolivian Worker Union Marches Against Election Delay as Tensions Mount The march ended in a council of workers declaring an indefinite general strike and mobilizations all around the country.The COB said the interim government of led by presidential candidate Jeanine Añez had used the pandemic to extend power and persecute supporters of Morales' Movement for Socialism (MAS). https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/07/28/world/europe/28reuters-bolivia-election-protests.html https://archive.is/H7ELr Fuel trucks explode in western Iran amid mysterious spate of fires and explosions across the country Six fuel trucks erupted in flames in the western Iranian province of Kermanshah on Tuesday. It is the latest in a series of unusual fires and explosions across the Islamic Republic, some of which have hit sensitive sites. https://on.rt.com/an2k Belarus Leader Demands Russia Provide Explanation Over 'Militants' State news agency Belta said the detained men were members of the Wagner group, a shadowy private military firm that is reportedly controlled by an ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin and promotes Moscow's interests in Ukraine, Syria and Libya. https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/07/29/belarus-leader-demands-russia-provide-explanation-over-militants-a71017

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>>730420 >lets armed group (belonging to the same ethnicity as yours) come in and murder dozens of their supporters damn so this is the power of zapatismo... Western anarkiddies love to fetishize this dead end project
>>731978 Seriously it's merely an apparatus for tax collection and funding of the military and fifty thousand law enforcement agencies. Like why the fuck do we need ATF, DEA, Marshalls, Border Patrol, FBI, Coast Guard (they are under the DoJ unless in times of declared war), USPSIS, etc.
>>730480 Jews.
>>731992 what's the historical precedent(s) for a nation/state that exists purely for their military?
>>732264 There has been a large quantity of military dominated nation states and eventually they collapse in a similar style to most juntas/dictatorships. Its not a stable arrangement because it both neglects the populace and eventually results in the ruling faction destroying itself.

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