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Work or Anti-Work? Anonymous 07/28/2020 (Tue) 14:36:18 No. 725803 [Reply] [Last]
Recently there's been a slight spat on twitter arguing about the relationship of Work and leftism in general, this is about as far as I know on how to even approach this: >On Work As it is now, work can be described as trading your personal time producing/providing commodities /services for an arbitrary amount of fiat usually given by someone that owns the means to carry out such tasks, whom then takes said commodities/services to be sold at a much higher margin in comparison to the amount of fiat given however, the reason why someone would accept this is due to how unless one owns (or partially owns in the form of stocks/shares/investments etc.) said means/platform (or decides to be a landlord), work is largely a necessity, welfare even if provided either does not suffice or often is under threat of being removed by changes in the political sphere, making it's existence incredibly frail and ineffective Now the usual idea thrown around is such work (and it's relations) being non-existent after achieving communism, the point of contention comes during transition to such a state, or if certain situations would necessitate a regression to it. >transition to communism? why not just go for it immediately? I see alot of arguments over the need for transition, mostly centered around how currently we already have a surplus of production, but this surplus exists within capitalism and is unlikely to be sustainable or unexploitative, along with how even if climate change, zero-profits and growing governmental distrust intensify, there is no guarantee that the major powers of the world will all be weakened enough for a global revolution, thus resulting in a similar scenario of the post-WW1/2 period, where nations affected less significantly by these catastrophes became the dominant world powers (well, specifically the united states) , which would (for a time) eliminate the chance of a global revolution and thus an immediate transition to communism (since these world powers would no doubt flex their power and provide moral or literal incentives for their citizens to crush whatever revolutions would occur globally), additional factors include historical racial griefs, ethnic tensions, religious differences/parties, class sympathies (sure, jeff bezos is deplorable, but the average person would still very much question or disagree the repression of local businesses, especially if it's a local food-store they like or something along the lines of petty bourgeoisie etc.) which are unlikely to dissolve without significant repression (especially in the case of religion), in short unless the stars align in a miraculous display of spontaneous global commitment and cooperation towards achieving communism, this seems incredibly unlikely >what's the issue with work then? how could it still be necessary? isn't automation already pretty advanced? don't humans naturally productively carry out their interests, thus merely needing mutual aid to guide them? (Before I go on, I must clarify for those of whom are truly unable to act, like someone in a vegetative state, or recovering from traumatic experiences, this doesn't apply)

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>>741544 Compared to, for instance, a detailed outline of extraplanar travel in 2nd Edition Forgotten Realms? No, not for anything beyond recreation, or understanding perhaps the culture of its authors (be they nerds, or Canaanites with delusions of grandeur). Certainly not as a primary source for anything even vaguely resembling an accurate description of how the brain works.
>>741575 how the brain works doesn't matter as much as the concept of how a brain could come to be if we're talking about physics nevermind metaphysics
>>741420 I don't know but probably from a very handsome and intelligent man.
>>741603 That just circles right back around to "proven falsifiable facts" vs. "idle wankery"
>>740780 >For some people this shit is personal, not academic yeah and it doesn't mean it'll result in victory, if anything it will easily lead to internal struggle if everyone is so easily enraged >The point of labor vouchers is that they're not exchangeable. But there is nothing that prevents people from bartering goods they've bought. Even North Korea has black markets where local production and distribution fall short. fair enough but north korea exists under a state of blockade and technological regression, i wasn't bringing vouchers as a singular solution just what i've heard of >Ever heard of biohackers or communal waste management wholly insufficient or meme tier untested ideas brought up by the kinds of people interested in startups, if you care about maintaining the contentment of the masses post revolution >You're basically saying that certain (socially-necessary) labor is invaluable because it doesn't take place under a specific context. (That of industrialized commodity-production) i am saying it is not sufficient do you just think the citizenry will just magically depopulate into the countryside or automatically work out how to maintain an entire city without it's industrial backbone? it's a real academic exercise to believe your lightly-tested solutions that have no proof-of-work on a scale of say the entire united states would work and not result in the same kind of mass famines/deaths you like to bring up in regards to the USSR and China

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Anonymous 07/24/2020 (Fri) 06:41:13 No. 714557 [Reply] [Last]
Hey I'm a Catholic with strong (and increasing) socialist sympathies. It seems to me that traditional the anti-religious animus of is tied to the fact that the Church was once an important institution of the ancien regime/ruling class. But that's pretty much over at this point. The religion of the ruling class is woke neoliberal secular humanism. So is straightforward anti-clericalism from socialists in 2020 an anachronism? I really hope so
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>>738422 >The true face of Christian forgiveness shows itself. Someone has to repent to be forgiven. >Luke 17:3 Pay attention to yourselves! If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him,
>>740713 1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. 3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? 5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
>>740258 >h-hey look guys!!!! bible baste!!!!!!! <5 cherrypicked verses
>>740258 Good job its impossible to cherrypick parts from the bible that paint a far less nice picture of Christianity.
ah yes, the secular humanist US empire... look, you could just study the relationship of party and religious socialists and ask genuine questions but this bad faith retarded nonsense where you pull your /pol/ack ideological shit out of your ass and try to sell it as antiliberal right wing third positionist wokeness or whatever the fuck this shit you try to pull, shouldn't have a place here and you can take that and fuck right back off from where you came from

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The need for hacktivism Anonymous 07/16/2020 (Thu) 00:04:44 No. 693522 [Reply] [Last]
There has been a major shitshow in Twitter, were numerous "blue mark" accounts were hacked and used to post things like pic related. This only makes me wonder: what would have been the impact if instead of that ridiculous Bitcoin shit, it would've been used for socialist propaganda? Instead of Bitcoin addresses, maybe a link to Towards a New Socialism? Maybe I'm being retarded but it seems like we're missing a huge platform here
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The left should have more quality hackers.
>>715009 there is red hack
I won't speak about the IT aspect of the whole hacking thing since I can barely operate a smartphone but I can give my 2 cents on "what to tweet" question. Most people know about a guy named Karl Marx and a book called Communist Manifesto and even though for some it's the "Gulag, Mao, Venezuela, 100 million book" still people know that it exists they just don't and won't read it. Also would any MAGAtard be fooled by Trump account tweeting "Just learned about this book called 'the Communist Manifesto' very great book I love it, this Marx guy seems like a yuge genius. #MakeSocialismGreatAgain"? Absolutely not. People more well versed in agitprop could write something better but tweeting personalised stuff like "Drone strikes ordered by me, Barack Hussein Obama, resulted in 80% civilian casualties and this was covered up by reclassifying every civilian as combatants after the attacks" or more basic stuff like "you don't need bosses or CEOs" would be better but idk
>>693522 XXXTentacle returned from the dead to post a Bitcoin scam.
>>693823 You can't hack people like Obama that way but you can get into their secure networks by phishing people adjacent to them.

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Operation Baidoodle Anonymous 08/02/2020 (Sun) 16:12:45 No. 739225 [Reply] [Last]
>Google is now making it easier to find Black-owned businesses >Google added a similar feature for businesses that were “Women-Led” https://www.theverge.com/2020/7/31/21348990/google-black-owned-businesses-maps-search 1. Have a black comrade who owns a business get 2 friends. 2. Have 1 of his friends put his business as black owned on Google Maps. 3. Have the other friend vandalise the business with anti-black slogan that mentions Google Maps. 4. Black comrade sues Google for Kristalnachting his business. 5. ??? 6. profit + party donations
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>>739225 or just tell them on twitter you're going to use the feature to boycott black business don't actually do a boycott lol but they'll get the idea
Immediately there's a problem with this set up, and off the top of my head 1. Google will claim that it's not their fault. 2. Google is a large corporation, it's legal teams are skilled, and their primary tactic is not just buying out judges and shit it's making sure the case drags out until you give up. 3. Let's assume best case scenario it's settled out of court for 90k to 200k, that's not enough to bankrupt them even if 50 people do it.
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Google is pretty much just doing this. What the fuck were they thinking?
I don't think you can sue if you ask for it personally

News 7/29/20 News Anon 3.0 07/29/2020 (Wed) 18:16:04 No. 730420 [Reply] [Last]
Government announces reparations for Chiapas massacre that killed 45 Those slain were members of a Roman Catholic group known as Las Abejas (The Bees) that supported the Zapatista Army of National Liberation. They were praying in their church when they were gunned down by the paramilitaries, who were also Tzotzil Mayans. https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/government-announces-reparations-for-chiapas-massacre-that-killed-45/ https://archive.is/7o4H6 Bolivian Worker Union Marches Against Election Delay as Tensions Mount The march ended in a council of workers declaring an indefinite general strike and mobilizations all around the country.The COB said the interim government of led by presidential candidate Jeanine Añez had used the pandemic to extend power and persecute supporters of Morales' Movement for Socialism (MAS). https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/07/28/world/europe/28reuters-bolivia-election-protests.html https://archive.is/H7ELr Fuel trucks explode in western Iran amid mysterious spate of fires and explosions across the country Six fuel trucks erupted in flames in the western Iranian province of Kermanshah on Tuesday. It is the latest in a series of unusual fires and explosions across the Islamic Republic, some of which have hit sensitive sites. https://on.rt.com/an2k Belarus Leader Demands Russia Provide Explanation Over 'Militants' State news agency Belta said the detained men were members of the Wagner group, a shadowy private military firm that is reportedly controlled by an ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin and promotes Moscow's interests in Ukraine, Syria and Libya. https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/07/29/belarus-leader-demands-russia-provide-explanation-over-militants-a71017

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>>730420 >lets armed group (belonging to the same ethnicity as yours) come in and murder dozens of their supporters damn so this is the power of zapatismo... Western anarkiddies love to fetishize this dead end project
>>731978 Seriously it's merely an apparatus for tax collection and funding of the military and fifty thousand law enforcement agencies. Like why the fuck do we need ATF, DEA, Marshalls, Border Patrol, FBI, Coast Guard (they are under the DoJ unless in times of declared war), USPSIS, etc.
>>730480 Jews.
>>731992 what's the historical precedent(s) for a nation/state that exists purely for their military?
>>732264 There has been a large quantity of military dominated nation states and eventually they collapse in a similar style to most juntas/dictatorships. Its not a stable arrangement because it both neglects the populace and eventually results in the ruling faction destroying itself.

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Anonymous 08/02/2020 (Sun) 18:39:38 No. 739480 [Reply] [Last]
Did poor whites benefit from Slavery?
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>>739486 There were a lot of faggots in the south
>>739554 they tried that with indentured labor. .it failed for a few reason. One of which being it was too easy for whites to escape and then go unrecognised. Britain used slavery to develop a place and then turn it over to capitalism America wanted to keep it going for ever
>>739503 Good meme
>>739480 Yes. Most indentured servants were given slaves once they'd finished their service. The entire Western world is founded on slavery, anyone white wherever benefits from it, the only difference is by how much.

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Anonymous 07/31/2020 (Fri) 19:50:03 No. 735441 [Reply] [Last]
>Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past Is this a good summation of anti-semitism? When it gets posted on 4chan all they do is call him a jew and make fun of how Satre looks.
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>>737552 >the indian subcontinent That's one >south america Nope >africa Nope >comparing a small secret society to an entire religion <comparing a small sectarian ethno-religious minority to a major religion or race >as we all know only jews have been accused of racism ever, and only they are still racist, and the greeks and italians are antiracist as hell strawman and point missed Similar accusations leveled against the same group of people for 2500 years by numerous other groups of people give's one pause for thought.
>>736925 >but not realizing he's legitimately projecting his own insecurities. About what exactly? My dick size?
>>735579 If that were true they wouldn't shill for Hitler and Himmler.
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>>741084 >If that were true they wouldn't shill for Hitler and Himmler.
>>737565 >comparing a small sectarian ethno-religious minority to a major religion or race Implying that millions of Jews are as interconnected, devoted, and motivated by a common goal like Jesuits are >Similar accusations Contradictory accusations have been floated throughout history, even in the same societies. Romans said Jews wanted nothing to do with any other peoples but at the same time there are records of anti-circumcision laws enacted to curtail Jewish proselytization. You can cherrypick any sort of narrative when Jews have been called capitalists and communists, sectarians and cosmopolitans.

Karl Marx: A Nineteenth-Century Life Book by Jonathan Sperber Anonymous 08/03/2020 (Mon) 04:31:38 No. 741049 [Reply] [Last]
America is the bête noire now. Marx, like you, was a product of incompetent elites who could not provide full employment, social stability (forget upward social mobility), economic stability, or an end to the unending and pointless European wars. Much like now, most proles engaged in capitalism were miserable people who lived a hand to mouth existence. The only good thing about Marx's time is that the proportion of people living under wage slavery was much lower, since a much greater fraction of the world's population were dirt farmers. Technologically and medically, it was a terrible time to live in. Marx had some kind of skin condition that there was no real treatment for other than the primitive "medicines" of his time, like arsenic. Much to the humorous delight of tankies like me, he was denounced as an "authoritarian German" by his anarchist contemporaries. Part of me just can't believe that Porky still doesn't provide enough bread and circuses to keep new Marxists from popping up. The capitalists of XXI seem to understand the importance of circuses, but cheap out on the bread. #YangGang https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/04/1-in-4-americans-skipping-meals-or-relying-on-food-donations-amid-pandemic.html

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Geopolitical Sim Anonymous 08/02/2020 (Sun) 01:54:15 No. 738099 [Reply] [Last]
Hello everyone, this is my first time posting here so im sorry if its not the right board. Me and some friends have a geopolitical rol game going and we were looking for people for the commie side, since a player flooded the server with reactionaries larping as the holy roman empire. The game is very simple, players send their moves (actions affecting the world) to the GM who rolls for their results and consequences in the world. Im playing as a russian SF, and we have player spaces for other soviet republics, commie china, arab socialism etc. if you are interested, hit me up on discord so i can tell you more if you are down Martho#1732 Pic related, PART OF the game map
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>>738099 Could you explain the lore?
>>738099 That seems interesting, I sent you a request on Discord
>>738099 >perkel
>>739028 Im cadnava, that crimson country, a buffed up ussr with almost unlimited resources. My main ally is G.E.U (greater empyrean union, empyrea, aldorf and tartarus) kinda like a east germany nation. Our main rivals are the empire (that orange thing) and their main sponsor, ustio, a mega capitalist nation. Theres also blazeland, a colonial empire with colonies all around the globe
>>739877 Is there like magic or is it all real physics? Also how advanced is the technology? It would be intersting if it was in the 80's

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Our criticism in our critical support Anonymous 08/02/2020 (Sun) 02:37:02 No. 738161 [Reply] [Last]
Before I even start, I'm aware some of you will point out the fact that our "support" (defending certain countries which can be considered socialist/quasi-socialist and/or countries opposed to American imperialism) doesn't actually help much at all, materially speaking, and that our words don't really offer any real help towards these countries. While this is true, I still want us to discuss something which I almost never see among people who claim to critically support a country. So let's discuss this very thing specifically, out of the way immediately you support this or that nation, we know that by now, so let's offer our criticism to discuss what they can improve on or change. Btw, I'm only going to name the countries I believe deserve critical support, but feel free to name whichever you want. Starting with Venezuela, I think it's a good, pragmatic move what they are doing by securing diplomatic alliances with Iran, getting their help to bypass sanctions, however what I believe Maduro could improve on is definitely diversify the venezuelan economy and try to push for further to the left economic developments, whatever is available, it could end up helping them, planning specifically to allocate resources more efficiently from the economic siege they're under. For Syria, Assad should unironically read Marx (this goes to everyone here tbh) and try to further his alliance with the syrian communists by unifying the Ba'ath Party with the Communist Party, seeking the proper industrialization and development of productive forces (which are currently fucked because of the war) by pushing forward a NEP style economy. It would help Syria massively after they have won the war. Lastly, China. Xi needs to re-read Marx and strike against revisionism in the CPC. I don't know if he has his hands tied by most of the party and can't do much to change the party line but if he can, he has to. I fear that the CPC's concept of "socialism by 2050" will be the current chinese economic system simply more developed, and shit like a higher GDP nationwise, a higher HDI, lower Gini, shit like that. I'm led to believe this since the CPC has allowed state-owned media to talk about SwCC using this liberal and non-marxist terms to describe their type of socialism, which tells me that the CPC has a twisted view on what socialism is to mantain the status quo as much as possible. So Xi needs to 100% re-read Marx, drop the idealism which can be seen on videos like this, which utilize language as vague as "well-off" and "harmonic" to describe socialism, and push for an actual socialist development, and not what the CPC thinks socialism is. Here's the state-sponsored vid btw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rThM32L94qQ
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>>738185 Well, obviously there can exist the case of what happened in the CPC, but reading Marx (I should've specified in my op that instead of Marx necessarily I should've said theory in general) allows these people to understand the bigger picture and gives them a new perspective on the approachment which needs to be taken in their respective positions.
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>>738161 dumb fuck lurk more
>>738166 >OP never even mentions you're favourite worshipping idol >still s e e t h e s about people not jerking off to fat Kimmy You're not just a clown, you're the entire circus.
Damn, I actually can't really think of much for the countries I would say get my critical "support". But maybe for the DPRK, I don't know how industrialized (if it can be considered a fully industrialized country even) but perhaps it may be necessary to liberalize economically, just a little bit, to allow for faster development of the productive forces. Obviously it can't be done too quickly as that would fuck the korean people through privatizations and drops in standards of living, but I still think it should be something to pursue. It may also interest the WPK to attract foreign investment to the best of their abilities, perhaps China in an act of international solidarity could help massively. Also Cuba if they can see the opportunity to do so. Once the country has its productive forces further developed and is fully industrialized (hopefully in the near future) the higher-ups of the party should read (if they haven't by now) Cockshott to establish cybernetic planning, which would rid them of a bloated bureaucracy. If the bureaucratic planning clique resist the implementation, they should obviously be purged, so daddy should ensure a significant amount of the party has his back to defend himself from any potential party coup.


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