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What if Hitler won WW2? Anonymous 10/23/2020 (Fri) 01:15:38 No. 1025545 [Reply] [Last]
Would socialism still exist after?
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Play TNO.
>>1027103 China is irrelevant with half of the place still being occupied by Japan
>>1027567 Nah,they can't control it.We used to talk about why Japan couldn't colonize China before.
>>1027734 Japan failing to subjugate Chinese warlords is a far cry from China being a superpower
>>1025545 We would see an era of very dark reaction. In the immediate aftermath, fascism would reign supreme across Europe, Asia, and Africa. However, as we all know fascism is only the intensification of contradictions, not the abolition of them and thus it cannot possess itself any degree of permanence. We would, in effect see a few decades at most before the economic system of the Reich in Europe collapses. This would lead to a large melting pot of liberals, fascists, and socialists scrambling to pick up the pieces of the dying empire. From this struggle the fascist hold would be broken and socialism would begin to pick up steam once more. The world would be scarred, but not broken.

Former /pol/ack thread Anonymous 10/08/2020 (Thu) 00:41:45 No. 966985 [Reply] [Last]
In light of the recent raids, I'm interested in the perspectives of former /pol/ posters on the situation. I came over from stupidpol (yes, I am retarded) so I still hold some conservative social opinions, but I'm more curious of the effects of being a /pol/ack in the long term and if there are knee-jerk reactions to things that you have to dial back. Are there any views you still share with /pol/? what made you immigrate here? and what are your thoughts on /pol/'s current state?
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>>1027172 giga chad marx
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How do I go full lefty I wanna stop falling back into my retarded world view and actually progress as a person? I know I have to read theory and I plan to but that aside, should I stop following right wing accounts on twitter and stop obsessing over telegram channels
>>1027216 Delete twitter account and other social media. Go into the real world and make real friends. Do something useful.
>>1027221 well I have a job coming up soon so I was planning on clearing my laptop of dodgy stuff like my twitter/telegram but I might as well go through with deleting it all
I might as well post this here. Can anyone help me not be racist? I hate being surrounded by loud black people and Hispanics who don't even speak English. Hearing Spanish all day at work seriously triggers me. Part of it is that I'm afraid they're making fun of me because they know I don't understand what they're saying. I know nobody would talk shit about anyone all the time but I'm still paranoid because they could be talking shit about me at least sometimes and I have no way of knowing when. I'm afraid of groups of black people in public. 13/50 is real, even if you think that's caused by poverty/racism/cops. Logically I know the chances of me getting knockout-gamed while passing any group of black people is less than one in a million but I still feel fear sometimes. I also think race and IQ is probably legit. I'm sick of people denying science because they think it's "racist." If you can scientifically refute these findings that's fine but it's so obvious most people react to these ideas in a purely knee jerk fashion because they're afraid of being racist or being called racist. I feel bad about being racist because I don't want to hate anyone or hurt anyone and there are lots of very good non-white individuals but for some reason sometimes racial minorities trigger my hostility. I don't actually do anything racist fyi, I generally won't even say slurs online because I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings. One more thing, I've lived in mostly white areas all my life but I still made a few non-white acquaintances. I never hated them. Make of that what you will.

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Alt-Board Revival Initiative Anonymous 10/18/2020 (Sun) 20:38:05 No. 1012432 [Reply] [Last]
I'm back. You've been too comfortable again I see. Get your ass off of /leftypol/ and ask a question on >>>/edu/ to educate yourself. What you are too scared of being called a nerd? Are you telling me you haven't played any >>>/games/ lately to talk about? You don't want to play with your comrades? You are too cool to watch >>>/anime/ ? Are you some sort of normalfag, quit acting cooler than you are. Tell me at least you have a >>>/hobby/ besides posting here.. You do? Then why aren't you making a thread about it to share your passion with your fellow revolutionaries? Ever heard about hacking? As a leftist you should learn about >>>/tech/ . Or are you some sort of boomer who can't even write an email? HELLOOO? Am I speaking to a wall right now? Or are you >>>/dead/ ? Don't tell me you are some sort of newfag who hasn't visited our hidden board before? This is what you will do. You will make a thread or a post on another board and link what ever threads you like in here. This way you bump this thread and remind people to post on alt-boards as well. Get to it, comrades!
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>>1026552 Not with that attitude
>>1026528 Have a coordinating thread on here for announcements and general chat and do the game night threads on /games/
>>1026528 Well why don't you try it dummy.
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>>1025027 Thanks to everyone who shared their literature in the thread.
>>1026528 you should try on both /games/ and /GET/ and then host the thread on /games/

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Anonymous 10/17/2020 (Sat) 22:46:04 No. 1010583 [Reply] [Last]
As an individual, what should I do to prepare for the climate crisis? What kind of skills will be useful say, 20 years in the future as compared to now? I'm not asking for lifestylist attempts to try and somehow personally prevent climate change, but rather what measures should I take to prepare for the future? Pic unrelated
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>>1010583 >As an individual, what should I do to prepare for the climate crisis? What kind of skills will be useful say, 20 years in the future as compared to now? I'm not asking for lifestylist attempts to try and somehow personally prevent climate change, but rather what measures should I take to prepare for the future? Pic unrelated
>>1011579 >Pic unrelated *pic related.
>>1010583 İnvesting in sand,water and land in NZ,northern canada and farmland-russia.Also moving to north
>>1010583 Returning to monke or better yet living with bedouins
>>1011230 jesus I miss ethiopia

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Anonymous 10/23/2020 (Fri) 08:43:56 No. 1027189 [Reply] [Last]
Daily reminder that just cause Trump sucks no socialist should ever simp for Biden. Trump is the better choice long term as the horrors of the US are more visible with him, with Biden they can more easily sweep shit under the rug.
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>>1027189 Thats stupid, your all stupid and should be ashamed. Both Biden and Trump are shit, yes. But the better option would voting Hawkins or La Riva.
>>1027251 retardo take, I want Trump to win for yhe prospect of more civil unrest.
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>>1027189 vote green
>>1027415 >the better option would be to throw your vote in the trash I mean technically youre not wrong
>>1027240 Man, they really are desperate to make Biden win

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Discussing Climate and David Attenborough's "A Life on Our Planet VeteranTankie#K8ZyL4 10/14/2020 (Wed) 17:10:26 No. 997589 [Reply] [Last]
David Attenborough just put out a new documentary that was really well done, and was actually pretty realistic about the coming climate crisis. Didn't pull any punches like most hopium filled publications do, and as far as I know I don't know why a >90 year old man would want to spend what are the last years of his life bullshitting people about something he's done for half of his life or more. Talked about the desertification of oceans, of land, of sopsoil being exhausted by our farming practices, overpopulation, temperature rises and what that means for humans and the wider ecosystem at large. These are things we have to consider as communists. Personally, it has always been my belief since I became aware of just how big an issue this was right around the time I left college that human society as we know it globally will be knocked down a civilization or two even. It was a pretty tough thing to realize, as I was also awash with enthusiasm for the material I had read from Marx, Lenin, Engals and coming to learn more about the USSR, China and such. Anyway, what I'm ultimately saying is that when I post on here ultimately its from a dark place because I feel like while capitalism will die any hope for what we know as socialism very well goes with it. Ultimately though for the purposes of this post the documentary was well done and while it had some liberal solutions at the end, I know a socialist world order (that won't exist in our lifetimes in the developed form we need to beat this issue) could have been able to beat this issue. Producing for use value would be a huge first. Capitalism won't, and I know liberals can't even face that prospect. I think the conclusions cannot be ignored just because of hope and belief socialism will triumph somehow, and at least acknowledging a possible end to everything we know has to be considered. NOTE: While the documentary is available through a certain paid service, I don't see why certain free platforms wouldn't have it. I hear there are things called trackers that carry it in high quality and other formats, and a certain bay. If you haven't seen it, do it for the knowledge, for a love of animals or a combination of both.
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>>1016415 >capitalists will be wiped out >*transports elite to another planet while everyone is dying* nothing personnel
>>1027492 It is a thousand times easier to repair earth than to terraform another planet. Terraforming another planet will take centuries. During that time supplies from earth would be required. There is no escape hatch for capitalists. The only escape is building socialism, or face the common ruin of all the classes.
>>1027524 STOP TERRAFORMING AND BUILD SPACE HABITATS YOU FUCKS
>>1027580 Space-habitats are easier than terraforming of course. You do need to make a artificial ecosystem to be able to survive in a habitat tho. Abandoning earth for those means making sure artificial ecosystems will last for aeons. This is knowledge we could get from fixing the earth ecosystem. Capitalism will not be around anymore for that, they clearly are not willing or able to do that, which means a different social and economical organization will do that.

Anonymous 10/11/2020 (Sun) 09:29:55 No. 982439 [Reply] [Last]
Is Ba'athism really socialist? Was Hussein's Iraq Socialist?
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>>1005055 >Churchill in his memoirs described the “teasing of me, which I did not at all resent until the Marshal [Stalin] entered in a genial manner upon a serious and even deadly aspect of the punishment to be inflicted upon the Germans. The German General Staff, he said, must be liquidated. The whole force of Hitler’s mighty armies depended upon about 50,000 officers and technicians. If these were rounded up and shot at the end of the war, German military strength would be extirpated.” When Churchill angrily declared he would be no party to such mass retribution, the President quipped that he would act as mediator, and suggested the compromise of shooting only 49,000. In heat, Churchill left the room. Stalin himself fetched him back, assuring him it was all a jest. >Stalin took Roosevelt’s and Hopkins’s leads, according to the British Undersecretary of Foreign Affairs Sir Alexander Cadogan: “[Stalin] evidently enjoyed teasing Churchill. ‘I can’t understand you at all [Stalin would say]; in 1919 you were so keen to fight and now you don’t seem to be at all? What happened? Is it advancing age? How many divisions do you have in contact with the enemy? What is happening to all those two million men you have in India?’ And more in the same vein, taken in good part.” >When, after three days at Teheran, [Roosevelt] felt he had not made as much progress with Stalin as he would have liked, he tried to ingratiate himself with the Russian dictator by making fun of Churchill. >“‘I began almost as soon as we got into the conference room,’ FDR told [U.S. Secretary of Labor] Frances Perkins. ‘I said, lifting my hand to cover a whisper (which of course had to be interpreted), Winston is cranky this morning, he got up on the wrong side of the bed. A vague smile passed over Stalin’s eyes, and I decided I was on the right track…I began to tease Churchill about his Britishness, about John Bull, about his cigars, about his habits. It began to register with Stalin. Winston got red and scowled, and the more he did so, the more Stalin smiled. Finally Stalin broke out in a deep, hearty guffaw, and for the first time in three days I saw light. I kept it up until Stalin was laughing with me, and it was then that I called him Uncle Joe. He would have thought me fresh the day before, but that day he laughed and came over and shook my hand.’
>>1005169 Ok for real though, why does it seem all historical communists have been shitposters?
>>1005233 I get the feeling that it's only the European and American communists that are like this, though I would love to hear of Sankara pranking Siad Barre or something like that, it probably didn't happen.
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>>982439 Its arab nationalism backed by Soviet Weapons.

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Why is it more acceptable to praise LatAm anti-American governments? Anonymous 10/21/2020 (Wed) 20:29:27 No. 1020597 [Reply] [Last]
With the recent Bolivian election it seems every left-type is singing praises of MAS, including Chomsky, Vaush, Maupin, Bernie, etc. We've all seen the clips of Bernie praising Cuban healthcare or Corbyn praising Chavismo. My question is why it seems acceptable to praise these countries but not other leftist/anti-American/anti-imperialist governments, even if the aforementioned Latin American governments readily support them. I'm not really interested in discussing the specifics of these governments as that's already been done to death in a million other threads. I'm simply interested in why it's acceptable to praise Cuban healthcare, but not say, North Korea. Or why it's acceptable for someone to support Chavez but call Assad a fascist, even though CHavez actively supported Assad with diesel during the civil war. Even if you don't like Assad or Gaddafi or whoever else it's impossible not to notice the contradiction.
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>>1026874 There was one official prime minister (Lal Bahadur Shastri) and one acting prime minister (Gulzarilal Nanda) between Jawaharlal Nehru and Indira Ghandi. Power did pass directly from Indira Ghandi to Rajiv Ghandi though. So India has had a total of 2 leaders in a row from the same family, not 3. Another thing to note is that North Korea and India have been around for about the same amount of time, but India has had a total of 14 leaders (15 if you include an acting PM), while North Korea has had only 3. All of North Korea's leaders have been from the same family, but 3/14 of India's leaders have been. I don't know anything about Filipino provinces though.
>>1020638 The country that had the election is full of shit while the Norks are honest
>>1020696 >monarcho-fascist abomination https://www.reddit.com/r/VaushV/
>>1024469 The DPRK deliberately created a cult of personality around the Kim family as a way to distance themselves from Mao and remain independent from Chinese hegemony. There are still weird parts to North Korean culture, but they're all still human beings, and when you look closely and realize how integrated and cooperative they are with their neighbor states (including their willingness to liberalize their economy in places to attract investment and trade), the whole 'grand anti-imperialist narrative' spun by Trots and twitter tankies starts to wear off.
>>1021854 > (CIA-backed communism) Utter nonsense.

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Anonymous 10/17/2020 (Sat) 19:55:02 No. 1009879 [Reply] [Last]
Dude marx predicted that comunism will win...
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>>1010427 >so what would be the plan optimization criteria if not profit? If there are markets between neo-feudal territories (but not within them), then the profit would derive from trade between them. If there are no markets between neo-feudal territories, then the goal would probably be to produce wealth for the rulers and to give enough to the masses to keep them from revolting. >So neo-feudalism in your interpretation just means socialism for porkies. I define socialism as economic democracy, not merely having a planned economy. The sort of thing described here would probably be best described as state capitalism, but maybe with feudal inheritance rights or something. Think of feudal lords being in charge of factories and offices and not just farmland.
>>1010427 Neo feudalism is extremely plausible if corporate entities become a sort of monopoly on economic activity in an area with the goal of enriching the ruling class, conquering more territory and more subjects, to get more wealth.
>>1010027 If socialism does not replace capitalism the vast majority will did and they will deserve it
>>1010262 >Le Soviet ruling class of the state capitalist USSR Fuck Now it’s not only redditfags, but specifically Vaush fags 🤮
>>1010192 lmfao my dude you have a very warped perception of socialism if you think that is the case. Try turning off fox and doing a bit of reading.

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Thoughts on general elections Anonymous 10/22/2020 (Thu) 22:08:31 No. 1024951 [Reply] [Last]
Should they be held? If so, how often? I know east germany held them and yugoslavia held them. I also heard that the soviet union held them, but I don't know if that's true. (pic unrelated obviously)
>>1024951 (referring to under a socialist government)
I think representative democracy is riduculous tbqh, there needs to be less of that but more hands on democracy from the population.
direct democracy.

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