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Were 50s and 60s last time when capitalism actually worked? Anonymous 07/29/2020 (Wed) 15:26:35 No. 729758 [Reply] [Last]
When I mean worked, I mean, it wasn't state of crisis as it is today, and gained actual ""benefit"" to capitalists, which actually didn't do anything crazy or outstanding as they are doing today (marketing and production wise). Capitalists in 50s and 60s did just whatever they were doing in 20s and it was working for them. Also employment was actually high (real employment,not jackshit that exist today), that means they had a lot of money to throw away. Am I wrong? What happened after 60s? Why capitalism entered it's dead end after 1968?
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Well, do you?
>>737814 >tfw burgers still unironically believe that pic
>>737818 Doesn't have that issue. But it gotta have a starting date. Maybe they are right but didn't account for 9/11, since that couldn't really be predicted.
>>735497 >Nope, Europe was already running at full blast by the mid-50s not the UK. the uk was still stagnating in the 1950s from ww2, they even still had rationing
>>737814 The vast majority of burgers didn't, not even at the apex of the Silicon Valley bubble which produced that magazine. From at least the 1980s into the 2010s burgerstani have always thought the future will be worse than the past: https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-0520-mcmanus-cruz-pessimism-20150520-column.html >Cruz is right that Americans are in a pessimistic mood. An NBC-Wall Street Journal poll last year found that only 21% said they were confident that life would be better for their children’s generation; 76% said the opposite. >But Cruz is wrong on another important point: There’s nothing new about this brand of pessimism. Pollsters have been hearing those sour sentiments from Americans for more than 30 years — ever since they started asking the question. Advertisement >In 1986, for example, 63% said in a CBS-New York Times poll that they believed the next generation was unlikely to have a bright future — and that was during Ronald Reagan’s presidency, when it was morning in America. >“From 1984 until now, a plurality on almost every survey, and sometimes a majority, has said the next generation would have it worse than this generation,” Samuel L. Popkin, a political scientist at UC San Diego, told me a few years ago. >It turns out that as Americans, we don’t just share the American dream; we share a tradition of worrying that the dream is slipping away. Voters aren’t pessimistic because Barack Obama has been president for six years; they were already pessimistic before Obama entered law school. >And Cruz isn’t the first politician to discover this continent — far from it. Walter F. Mondale sounded some of the same themes when he ran against Reagan in 1984. So did Michael S. Dukakis when he ran against George H.W. Bush in 1988. Bill Clinton did too, in 1992. And so did Mitt Romney, when he ran against Obama in 2012. >All of them aimed their campaign against an incumbent in the White House when the economy was sputtering. All of them encouraged voters to think that the party in power was presiding over the loss of the American dream. >The most striking thing about these polls over the last 30 years is how consistent the pessimism has been. Between 1989 and 2014, no poll ever found a majority that believed the next generation would be better off. >The closest we got to euphoria was in early 2000, the last boom year of the Clinton administration, when a plurality of 44% saw better times ahead. >Last year, in that same CBS-New York Times poll, 23% said they believed the next generation would be better off, 50% said it would be worse off, and 23% said it would fare about the same as the current generation — dispiriting numbers but roughly average for the last quarter-century.

anti consumerism thread Anonymous 08/01/2020 (Sat) 03:36:47 No. 736344 [Reply] [Last]
consumerism, turbo liberalism, culture war shit,and generally anything that helps show the soullessness of living under modern capitalism.
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>>738564 >i fucked 15 years old myself, it's not illegal here
What's wrong with consumerism again?
>>738612 It's litetally not illegal >>738603 i know for you people is impossible to think that not everyone in the world thinks like you, but sometimes is still like this.
>>738614 It's a tool of control. It's the imposition of petty boug ideology throught commodities. Consumer culture It's the homologation of everything that has potential to go in a different or radical direction from the current system. It's castration.
>>738615 Oh I realize that. There's nothing I can do about it, and you know what, I wouldn't do anything about it. But I will still make fun of you.

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What Ideology am i? Anonymous 08/02/2020 (Sun) 02:45:26 No. 738173 [Reply] [Last]
I am economically far left, but culturally i am conservative. Is there any leftists that are also like this? (i am not nazbol btw)
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>>738305 I'm socdem.I support gun rights.
>>738367 Rejection of ALL idpol is ideal
>>738173 Here i am
>>738757 Rock you like a hurricane
>>738201 By not support trannies, do you mean, there are two genders and you cannot change them, but I would leave them alone, which I agree with, or electro-shock therapy for the trannies, which would make you pretty based, but also a huge cunt.

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Belarus TOVARIŠ! Anonymous 07/28/2020 (Tue) 09:34:30 No. 725349 [Reply] [Last]
WTF is going on? A scum banker has 50 % + support in pols and Lukashenko is at 6 %? WTF You're gonna become a neolib hellhole dudes
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>>729047 take your meds
>>735409 Lol no. The reason for this is class. Babarika (and now the blogger's wife) are primarily supported by an alliance of small business owners, tech & finance bourgeoisie and (suspected) Russian porkies. As well as well paid tech employees, and aspiring P.M.C. students.
>>735992 So as I tought. Luka is good at maintaining Brezhevite status quo, but is he capable of building state young IT loving generation would support? Does Belarus has high ranking education? Does Belarus has software and hardware industries that young people would respect? Does Belarus produce or apply high tech technologies? I know that Belarus produces trucks, tractors, some cars, tractors. But is this economy young people like?
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>>725638 "Always has been", you twat.
>>729047 >t. angloid scum

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Direct Democracy and Federalism Anonymous 07/22/2020 (Wed) 19:21:30 No. 710458 [Reply] [Last]
What do you think about Direct Democracy and Federalism as a means of achieving social consciousness and the dictatorship of the proletariat? Why would/wouldn't it work?
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>>710685 And maybe they would vote for all dicks to be removed or some other wild fantasy. The point being is you're so deep in reactionary ideology that you think a politically conscious and active society would pull dumb shit like this. >>737918 So how do we have a successful socialist/communist revolution when, according to you, proles are too dumb to govern themselves? I don't understand how people like you can even call yourselves socialists when you don't think the mass of people aren't capable of being anything but proles.
>>738246 >you're so deep in reactionary ideology that you think a politically conscious and active society would pull dumb shit like this what about being political conscious and active necessitates good desirable policy choices?
>>738269 If you're going to argue that we can democratize the economy that necessitates that the mass of people are capable of critical thinking. If people are not capable of having the skills required for that then there's no hope for socialism/communism. How could people be so dumb and yet stage a revolution and build the kind of structures we advocate for?
>>738229 good software design

Leftist Music General muse 07/31/2020 (Fri) 05:50:41 No. 734405 [Reply] [Last]
Back on /leftypol/ for the first time since 2016, so I thought I'd make a music thread like I used back then. Lets all share and discuss leftist music. Id's be cool to see if anyone saved the old webms I made way back when. Obligatory GETchan link:https://www.youtube.com/user/PchanKingOfGETs
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This song will always remain in my top 5 favorite songs period (including non-socialist music). It's by far my favorite version of Hasta Siempre https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ofG7aHN2PY
More anti-imperialist than leftist per se, but still an amazing song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esMtF333cgQ
Daddy Ho would be so proud listening to this shit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zPT3rR3HAs

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Leftypol Content Cheka 2.0 /Glowy Watch/ Anonymous 06/01/2020 (Mon) 06:26:54 No. 556308 [Reply] [Last]
And we are back after last thread got buried. In light of recent advances in proletarian struggle and the accompanying recent grifting attempts from outside forces, I'm reinstating the thread to assist in analyzing, quarantining and moderating grifters and bad faith actors. Report attempts at grifting and derailing discussion. Shame and track for b& if they make ground. Happy posting.
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>>710152 Literally shilling for Stepan Bandera of the OUN UPA... y'know, the Ukrainian Nationalist who collaborated with the Nazis and the SS to murder non-West Ukrainians.
>>557132 The "I'm not a fascist" shills keep coming back >>731935
>>734637 ban everyone who posted in that thread unironically, there's people openly supporting mussolini
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Current american hysteria towards China makes the left an old enemy to glowuighurs. But this site is insignificant in size and influence unlike other social media platforms. Any Maoist organizations are under surveillence because obvious China ties. But regarding this site the greatest threats are /pol/yps shitting up the place or normies who wander here reporting to police some young and radical kid who is being edgy.
There is a 4th International Poster in >>737914 that I am 99% sure is glowbaiting because they take fake-leftists standpoints and strawmen in response to legitimate concerns over issues clearly being attacked by Porky-owned mass-media

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Anonymous 08/02/2020 (Sun) 01:31:55 No. 738047 [Reply] [Last]
If bunkerchan has __ amount of money we could buy in order to __.
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>>738157 bashes lynxchan >uses lynchan
>>738202 Apparently they're thinking about switching to something else before the big switch to Gochan because Lynxchan is that bad
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>>738202 SOCIETY MOMENT
>>738157 Space_ is worse than Stephen Lynx in every way but attitude. Space_ is a retard who let bunkerchan stay on an extremely old version of lynxchan because he was too lazy to migrate it and fucked up spacechan so badly the mods went on strike.

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Revolution and American Indians: “Marxism is as Alien to My Culture as Capitalism” Anonymous 08/01/2020 (Sat) 00:17:10 No. 735915 [Reply] [Last]
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>>738009 Progressive in productive class societies, such as slavery -> feudalism is progressive. It isn't progressive in many instances.
>>738021 I don't think it was necessary. Capitalism could have devoloped in other ways. But I do think Capitalism as a system is an improvement is progressive despite the route of primitive accumulation which included the extermination of the native americans.
>>738002 >If your intent is to destroy as much as the capitalist’s plan is then why shouldn’t the billions of colonized peoples i don't have any intent to destroy anything. What i'm saying is that early stage agrarian societies like native americans are in no way natural allies of communist movements.
>>738021 Another major factor in the development of Capitalism was the black plague. Was the black plague progressive? No. Was Capitalism? I would still say yes.
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>>735915 Can somebody make a class analysis and explain why he hates written language ? keeping people illiterate used to be a ruling class thing to keep the masses dumb

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The Labor Aristocracy. Anonymous 08/01/2020 (Sat) 20:15:07 No. 737625 [Reply] [Last]
I have been reading a few things on the Labor Aristocracy recently, from the original Lenin stuff on it all the way to "The Myth of the Labor Aristocracy" and "The Worker Elite". I wanted to start a thread on the general theory of the labor aristocracy. Who counts as a labor aristocrat? What separates them from the proletariat? Why does the bourgoise allow labor aristocrats to exist? Is the concept of labor aristocracy even coherent?
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>>737640 What do you call the workers who are in the middle class then?
>>737625 They should all be hung the only true proles are mcdonalds jannies
>>737965 And imageboard jannies
>>737970 imageboard jannies are porkies. they don't even get the bullet, we strangle them with piano wires (make sure they don't die, just torture them) and skin them alive and then barbecque them
>>737979 Yeah, I'm gonna say based.

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