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For New Anons and Lurkers: FAQ, rules, and reading list Anonymous Board volunteer 07/05/2020 (Sun) 20:23:05 No. 668788 [Reply] [Last]
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>>761213 Yes, this >>762786 is just ML cope (see overall time of the two clips in response) with the fact that they diverged substantially (especially Stalin) from classical/orthodox writings of Marx, Engels and Marxists.
I've been using leftypol so frequently that I just got a "deja-vu"-like feeling of being in bunker society within a literal bunker.
>>761213 >>762786 >>762794 >Is his analysis in this correct? Marx was a "tanky-light" he did think that it was possible to transition to socialism via the state nationalising industry as intermediate step, but only for the most advanced countries, so while Marx probably didn't think that something like the Soviet Union was possible, he did think that it was possible to use the state as a tool for the proletariat. You could say that Marx was a conditional statist. But the discussion is moot now, there's plenty historical examples of state socialism, so you can't say that it doesn't work.
>>762794 I mean he's litterally taking out of context quotes from critique of the gotha program. Also if a discussion could be made on Marx, I don't think the same could be said for Engels that expresses his views much more clearly. Anyway the discussion is moot since >>764342 is right.
>>764680 I think he would probably beat out the other GOP idiots, so in that sense you are right that he has a solid shot. The democrat probably isn't going to be able to take down Carlson. Obama was literally the most charismatic democrat since Clinton. Every other major Democratic politician in the last 20 years has looked like a fucking idiot.

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COPMALA = VP PICK Anonymous 08/11/2020 (Tue) 20:21:33 No. 764440 [Reply] [Last]
Posting outside of the USA thread because it's big news: Kamala Harris is Joe Biden's VP pick. https://www.axios.com/joe-biden-kamala-harris-vice-president-e2109284-944c-4053-b506-9735e261e3ff.html
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>>764936 i know it's just the same 2 or 3 autists but they are dedicated to their grift
>>764944 Lenin would have voted for bernie tho
>>764944 >and told me that Lenin would have voted for him Well would he?

Anonymous 08/11/2020 (Tue) 21:19:35 No. 764738 [Reply] [Last]
I will not enjoy doing it. but I must, for it is my duty.
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>a thread died for this
Source on this quote?
>>764738 BASED We need a Robespierre flag
>>764755 Source on this quote?

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United States Politics - /USApol/ Anonymous 05/26/2020 (Tue) 19:10:57 No. 531727 [Reply] [Last]
FRATERNAL RIOT PORN WATCHING AND FRIENDLY CIRCLEJERK HERE: https://cytu.be/r/bunkerchanalt Thread theme: FREE RASHID BASARA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWyB447vNjg 100,000 deaths edition https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ What's Next: Democratic National Convention - August 17th Republican National Convention - August 24th Ongoing - Democratic veepstakes Now with livestreams! CNN: https://www.livenewsnow.com/american/cnn-news-usa.html MSNBC: https://www.livenewsnow.com/american/msnbc.html FOX: https://www.livenewsnow.com/american/fox-news-channel.html

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>>764811 Well, Biden can be Nero. Suits perfectly.
What's the voter turnout rate going to be for this year?
>>764836 Depends on how bad Trump can fuck up USPS
Kamala had an approval rating of about 2% during her campaign What are they attempting?

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/LeftyBritPol/ George Galloway is a stupid cunt edition Anonymous 08/10/2020 (Mon) 23:01:47 No. 761650 [Reply] [Last]
Fuck George Galloway. Fuck the Union, and FUCK the Queen
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>>764681 we weren't on par, but we did enjoy our post war boom and hence all the rich boomers. Of course all that has been south for 40 years now. We also used to at least have a "dynamic" economy and we actually made things.
>>764693 We had rationing for nearly 10 years after the war, when that ended we went into sick man of europe mode thanks to horrific war debt and everywhere else getting better industry than us until thatcher gutted the rest to elevate London. We had a few areas we were briefly leading at before they all collapsed. The idea that we weren't is weird imperial nostalgia peddled as the truth mixed in with american imported media.
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>>764681 tbh the sick man of Europe thing is overplayed >>764720 Britain only really got the sick man of Europe label in the 60s/70s. Britain missed many opportunities and could've done much better, but at the same time it's important to remember that a lot of our relative decline was just us getting upset that we weren't leaps and bounds ahead anymore. When you go from having 25% of world exports to a single digit figure, you feel terrible even if in absolute rather than percentage terms your exports aren't actually doing too badly - what's changed is that everyone's buying more, and Europe is selling more. On inflation and on unemployment, Britain was doing better relative to the major European economies in the 1970s than in the 1980s. (A particularly damning situation considering that poor policy choices in Britain exacerbated the impact of the 1973 oil crisis) Nowhere is this made clearer than by the way that Italy managed to overtake us in the late 1980s, not the 1940s, 50s, 60s or 70s. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Il_sorpasso_(economics) ) annoyingly and semi-relatedly i'm 95% sure there's a k-punk post that referred to postwar Britain as a country that only gave up rationing somewhat involuntarily. I don't recall it being literal, but it was a fun point. But now the only similar thing I can find is http://k-punk.abstractdynamics.org/archives/002118.html tbh I'm not trying to do a whole "Britain was great" thing. I'm just trying to get at Britain being kind of average and weird, but depressed because it went from the global superpower to a cold island getting bullied by Iceland and only consistently in the top 5-10 nations of the world for any given measure, rather than consistently #1. There's plenty of room for tearing in to the reprehensibly stupid decisions made by British leadership and especially by the British bourgeoisie, perhaps the stupidest and most cosseted bourgeoisie on the planet.
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The chans are still right-wing Anonymous 08/11/2020 (Tue) 17:59:44 No. 764129 [Reply] [Last]
You'd think that after getting humilated and taking so many Ls, there would be less right-wingers on 4chan or at the very least they'd reflect on their actions, but I suppose not. Is it impossible to convert people nowadays? It seems like every time I bring up the fact that when they had their chance to have a boogaloo most of them (especially the zoomer right) barely shown up at all.
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>>764129 a large scale, long term plan would be required, but they have more power than us so its useless. all we can do now is recruit from other sites and see what happens
>>764578 Your average zoomer right-winger is on average considerably more gutless than your zoomer radlib so this is probably the way to do it.
Ok, I might get a lot of flak for this, but I think it is a very bad idea to lump the entirety of 4chan into one big strawman of stupid people. They may be wrong and misled but a lot of them could be considered smart in their own ways. Why do people like to have such a black and white, binary approach to dealing with situations like this and denouncing your opponents as completely worthless is beyond me. It is a very dangerous form of holier than thou narcissism. Stay smart and stay humble, folks.
>>764262 nazbolism is based beyond comprehension, stfu back to twitter
It's impossible to convert anyone. People don't change their minds by discussing. They have to feel on their skin the pain of their actions to understand.

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Belarus - Glowie General Anonymous 08/09/2020 (Sun) 23:25:50 No. 758383 [Reply] [Last]
Belarus election: Lukashenko's claim of landslide victory sparks widespread protests >Riot police deployed in Minsk and about 20 other cities in some of the biggest clashes in the country’s history >Clashes broke out in cities across Belarus on Sunday evening as riot police used rubber bullets, flash grenades, teargas and water cannon to quash protests against the results of the contested presidential election. >Alexander Lukashenko, who has ruled for 26 years, claimed he had won a landslide victory in an election marred by accusations of vote-rigging. The election commission announced on Monday that Lukashenko took 80.23% of the votes while his main opposition challenger Sviatlana Tsikhanouskaya (independent), who has held some of the country’s largest political rallies since the days of the Soviet Union, had only 9.9%. >Large protests broke out soon after the polls closed in Minsk, where a crowd of thousands gathered in the centre of the capital. A reporter for the Guardian saw police use water cannon against protesters and was fired on by rubber bullets. Opponents of Lukashenko chanted, “Leave!” Police made dozens of arrests. In one video, an army truck appeared to run into a protester. source: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/09/belarus-election-lukashenko-landslide-victory-fixing-claims
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>>764845 Putin and Lukashenko aren't comparable. Russia is a fully neoliberal state, this isn't the case in Belarus. There actually exist better options in Russia which aren't allied with the current regime, so they aren't that comparable at all. Besides, Russia is an actual imperialist power; if they went to war against anyone (small nation or other imperialist country) revolutionary defeatism should be applied.
>>758383 /pol/ and /leftypol/ must send Lukashenko our energy to defeat the CIA and NATO scum.
>>764908 Is /pol/ divided on who to support?
>>761186 Zionist butthurt is unreal.
>>764919 Only boomer shills like the protestors. They're all unlikable neolibs.

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Direct Democracy and Federalism Anonymous 07/22/2020 (Wed) 19:21:30 No. 710458 [Reply] [Last]
What do you think about Direct Democracy and Federalism as a means of achieving social consciousness and the dictatorship of the proletariat? Why would/wouldn't it work?
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>>762409 >Feminism is irrelevant >in the middle-east um wat
>>710458 Federalism is a cuck power structure. Better to have centralized planning than to outsource to decentralized powers. Direct democracy is... eh? I don't hate it but it's definitely flawed. Maybe at the local level it would work. I'm a fan of Chinese democracy where elections are hierarchical. The people only directly vote for their local government, no more.
>>710642 Hey I've seen that episode of Kino's Journey too anon :-)
are communalist better than anarchist?
>>762409 > feminism in the middle east this is a good thing you fucking retard

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Hinterlands : America's New Landscape on Class and Conflict Anonymous 07/12/2020 (Sun) 04:56:01 No. 684289 [Reply] [Last]
Anybody else read this? Thoughts?
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>>763902 Not in EE that I'm aware of, but sn't this typical of most undeveloped countries, where half the population and all of the modern infrastructure are squeezed into one capitol megalopolis, ringed with shanties, while the rest of the countryside is perpetually abandoned as a 4th-world swamp of serfs that can't even get 24-hour electricity?
>>763936 Thats the state of the hinterlands structure, including in the developed world now.
>>764177 >including in the developed world now I'm not aware of anyplace in 'murku/yurop/etc. where the power shuts off after 5 hours each day >>764189 >muh zero sum intraclass porky propaganda Sakaispamming should be a blanket bannable offense
About to clean up this thread and ban everyone who continues rule-breaking in here.
>>763936 Sounds like Wales tbh

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Anonymous 08/10/2020 (Mon) 21:07:35 No. 761183 [Reply] [Last]
I fear that we will lose this struggle and never achieve communism. We absolutely need to rethink and improve our theory and learn from the failures of the past socialist experiments. Many communists are in full denial about this and still follow dogmatically anything that Marx and Lenin wrote. Nearly every socialist state collapsed or regressed into capitalism, but these idiots make up endless excuses about CIA, Gorbachev, etc. We need to be intellectually honest about our past mistakes and change our theory accordingly. This is extremely important and i hope other communities on the internet understand this and have more constructive dialog on how to develop our theory. This stagnation of ideas can’t continue forever because we are running out of time.
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>>761702 it doesn't make me frustrated, it's just bait. there's a facade of innocence and good faith, as if you were completely new to the internet radical left (or possibly even the internet) and had never lurked. anyone who's spent any time here knows virtually all of your takes will be extremely poorly received, but you just state the most elementary versions of them, the ones that everyone has heard many times and is already annoyed by, but you don't address this in any way.
>>764078 An eternity of scarcity, superstition and stagnation under neo-slavery economies settled around oases scattered across barren desert continents separated by sterile oceans, is the real destiny of mankind.
>>764078 Yeah I don’t either. It seems more likely to create an atmosphere of fear and desperation, and not in the sense that people believe the capitalists or their leaders are the problem. Everyone will know there are droughts creating famines, that it is so hot in some places you can’t even be outside during the daytime. The more well off middle classes of the underdeveloped countries will beg their militaries to maintain order as the poor underclass tries to survive by looting and migrating around the country. The poor will probably kill each other too if they don’t know where their next meal is coming from. Communist revolution is spurred by the understanding that it is the exploiting class that is creating hardship and suffering in the working classes. But if it is the planet’s climate, I think terror and dread will fill all of its victims as they try to desperately escape to someplace with food or stability. And the west will look at all of this and urge its citizens to rally around the flag, so that they can maintain some relative comforts compared to the rest of the world. Many of those poorer countries may even suffer famines exacerbated by the propertied continuing to export food to wealthier countries as people in their own countries starve.
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>>764078 >>764403 >>764405 I'm not necessarily saying that's the scenario we're gonna get, just that it seems like one of the most plausible. It's not impossible that leftist ideas will survive climate catastrophe and if the left can organize and offer solutions it could begin to build communism, at least in some corners of the new post apocalyptic world.
>>764403 i honestly don't think we'll survive very long as a species. we almost went extinct a thousand times before we became so widespread and numerous that we couldn't be wiped out by a little bad luck. in those times we had an entire planet's worth of untapped stable ecosystems to support us, and traditional knowledge and culture adapted to our local conditions. if you've ever read about how much game and fish there used to be a couple generations ago, it's fucking unreal. these days my childhood memories of hundreds of ladybugs in a rosebush on an ordinary summer day and the entire neighbourhood being covered in thousands and thousands migrating butterflies feel equally unreal. even being stung by an actual honeybee is something i haven't heard anyone worry about since the 90s. we will not see such stability again as a species, if the miracle happens and we will have living descendants when the mass extinction ends, we will not be homo sapiens anymore. it takes hundreds of thousands of years for the biosphere to restabilize after a cataclysmic event. and it's good honestly. not existing at all is so much better than living in fury road. i'm not having kids, no one else should either. last person left please turn out the lights.


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