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Star Wars Anonymous Comrade 03/17/2020 (Tue) 21:46:43 No. 7016
Star Wars thread; To discuss, laugh and meme about Star Wars Don't be a cunt and may the Force be with you
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Reposting something I wrote a while back on a /leftypol/ thread about Star Wars. Pics related The one part of Last Jedi I liked was a portion of the throne-room scene when Kylo tells Rey she's nothing, a nobody... but not to him. That honestly felt like a really good scene. It subverted the idea that Rey was some child of destiny born of Obi-Wan or a Skywalker or some other nostalgic force user name and instead presents her as an ordinary orphan, forgotten by her drunkard parents, and uncared for by anyone who just happened to have immense force powers. Of course JJ ruined the one good part of Last Jedi, with the reveal that she is Palpatine's grand-daughter in the Rise of Skywalker, which felt like Taking the Piss Out of Rian Johnson, the movie. To be honest there are plenty of individual scenes, mostly of Rey conversing with Kylo, which are quite interesting and have depth in Last Jedi, but because of the sheer Mary Sueiness and pointless SJW shit within the film as well as other idiocy and plot divergences these good moments get lost in all the filth, like pearls scattered in the mud.
>>7016 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTrxDBDBOHU hello there, i dont know much about star wars,o i wondered what would be the most communist org in the universe? and which one the most ML, anarchist etc...
>>7016 i was the guy asking who the vong are, so who are they?
>>7022 Well anti-corporate statement is widely popular in Star wars mainly due to intergalactic conglomerates , in the clone wars both the Republic and the CIS were secretly influenced by corporations although thay was much anti-corporate sentiment with the cis (despite being funded and armed by corporations ..) The rebellion had both bouj and anti bouj elements The empire nationalised a lot of companies although Hitler style (aka keeping the bouj) Anarchists , mostly the disrespect your surroundings types are pretty common and i think a whole communist species existed in the eu
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Why didn't Yoda just kill Palpatine?
>>7024 >eu European union? > a whole communist species who?
>>7023 They're an alien race originating from outside the Galaxy of the Star Wars verse. They are part of overarching EU/Legends story-lines https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Yuuzhan_Vong
>>7027 their supposed to be evil? of course, also any example of anarchism or anarcho communism in the universe?
>>7026 >reddit spacing Come on now, son. >EU Extended Universe a.k.a Legends Universe which are a Star Wars media outside the original trilogy and prequels, made before Disney's purchase of Lucasfilm. Essentially they took 40 years of lorebuilding and declared it all non-canon. >>7025 Because he physically couldn't? The dude was 900 years old and didn't have the vitality to beat the Emperor.
>>7029 >reddit spacing i didn't mean it, it happened on accident
>>7030 i never used reddit, what makes something a reddit thing?
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>>7031 >>7030 Pic related is what Reddit Spacing is. Its not really an issue but it makes posts artificially larger for no real purpose. >accident Not worries. If its an issue with your system or habit, that's fine.
>>7032 oke so like this? or like this? or are both fine?
>>7033 Compact format is preferred, but whatever floats your boat I guess.
What is the Leftist take on Order 66? Could it have been prevented? Should it?
>>7051 Not going to go into a leftist take or whether it should. However it could have been prevented, this is addressed in the TV show when the control chips are nearly discovered.
>>7032 It's a stupid name tho, because most markup languages use an empty line to end a paragraph.
DARTH VADER WAS A COMRADE, SOMEONE FIND THAT THREAD, VADER WAS A FUCKING PINKO, A FUCKING RED
>>7018 What killed the Rise of Skywalker was Jar Jar Abrams incessant need to shit on Rian Johnson’s already subpar film. Like, fuck, TLJ was already fucked by intentionally spitting on TFA, why would you continue the trend Jar Jar? At least I still have the Old EU for what happens after ROTJ, sucks that I’ll never see a live-action adaptation of the Legacy comics, but at least I can still read them.
>>7025 Palps was stronger and dunked on the little green nigga
>>7022 Funny enough there was a socialist planet in the Old EU which was said to have eliminated war, disease, poverty, and class antagonism. They fought alongside the Rebel Alliance against the Empire.
>>7028 The Vong aren’t evil, it’s actually a pretty complicated storyline; basically their Galaxy was even shittier than the Star Wars Galaxy and their home planet was nearly devastated in a war between two machine races. Their people got caught up in so much war and death that they lost their connection to the Force, driving their culture insane. The gods they worship were more or less based on pain and suffering at that point (prayer for a Vong is to torture oneself, the purpose of battle is to die to the strong). The entire reason they invaded the Star Wars Galaxy was to bring their people together agains a common enemy because their civilization was on the brink of civil war due to internal strife and class antagonism.
>>7071 what is the planets name?
>>7016 captain picard is my favourite star wars
>>7077 so those 3 eyed things are commies? based
>>7016 Prequel memers belong in gulag for giving people retroactive affinity for those terrible movies. The Disney movies being bad doesn't make the prequels retroactively good. They're both shit.
>>7093 Disney movies where worse though, i didn't even bother with the last that came out, was that one as bad as the previous ones btw?
>>7093 But Revenge of the Sith is great tho
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>Make Star Wars thread last night on a whim >thread is quiet when I go to bed <come back to 20+ new posts Oh what fun! >>7067 I saved it but I am editing the content to be more accurate as of the thread's criticisms >>7068 >this SO true. Mauler pointed it out in his review of RoS repeatedly. >>7081 Dead bait have a (you) >>7093 Fuck off. The prequels weren't loved because of the memes, but because people realized that "shit, the prequels actual have nuance and cleverness that we missed while being nostalgic angry nerds!" The memes were just a side benefit >Disney movies being bad doesn't make the prequels retroactively good The Disney Movies are beyond bad and hile your statement is true, that doesn't mean that the prequels are shit. They had dumb moments and flaws but they were highly experimental films and were telling a specific story, and told it very well with a lot of realism. People used to bitch and moan about "the dialogues" between Padme and Anikin being cringe... except it makes sense in the setting of the story and in general for teens. Compared to pic 1 the dialogue was better than what most teens sound like IRL. >>7094 >was that one as bad as the previous ones It was the worst yet... it got memed to hell for it too, FFS they brought back Palpatine in a decaying zombielike body (that survived 2 explosions of the 2nd Death Star) ho was on some random ice planet with an armada of over a hundred planet-busting star destroyers (that were poorly upscaled original Empire Star-Destroyers) and an army of sith followers and Snoke Test-tube failures. Annoying as fuck, especially when the original idea for ROS was actually interesting with Kylo fully embracing the darkside and planning to become the embodiment of it, (and doing some Darth Revan tier stuff). It was at least a unique idea and they flushed it down the toilet for alien horse charges and retarded ships that can't fly up without a special gimmick. Pic 2 is just an example of how the stupidity of the film retroactively makes the entire original trilogy and prequels completely irrelevant.
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>>7105 What are you on about? >>7114 Not him, but the implication here is unclear.
What do y'all think of Darth Jar Jar? Could it have redeemed the character and improved the prequels? Was it really real?
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>>7119 It was a genuinely intriguing fan-theory with a lot of effort and subtlety. >redeemed the character Personally I never found Jar Jar such a big deal. Mildly annoying, but not as bad as people like to bandwagon over. However Darth Jar Jar would probably raise his character from secondary comic relief to a fully fledged secret subplot. >Was it real We can't know since Lucas no longer owns or determines canon in Star Wars, however I think that considering the OT and Disney shitquels, it is unlikely.
>>7081 who?
>>7114 Of course the virgin is a Canadian
>>7101 Still can't get over how bad RoS was. It actually made me go back and appreciate some of the stuff that Johnson did; he at least tried to have some themes, even most did fall on their face.
>>7257 Same, Rise of Skywalker looked like something Mickey Mouse himself must’ve shat out; I thought Solo was Star Wars robbed of all charm and spirit, I was so so wrong. Sorry to my guys Daisy Ridley and John Boyega, careers assassinated before they could even really begin.
what is more fun to watch for somebody new to the series with barely any interest canon chronology order right?
>>7267 I say watch the prequels first and then the OT. However going for the OT and then the Prequels is good too. Don't watch the Disney Sequels. I do suggest watching The Clone Wars Series... in chronological order (you'll find a list of episodes pretty easily).
>>7269 why not watch the disney sequels and prequels? was planning to watch anakin teenage years then han solo and rogue one into the original trilogy and finally the end of palpatine saga
>>7271 Don’t watch the Disney Sequels because they’re shit and fuck up the plot of the first 6 films, the very best ones are still utterly soulless. You’d be better off looking up the best post-Return of the Jedi original EU storylines; hell, the Sequel Trilogy is just a shitty retelling of one of the crappiest EU stories.
>>7271 - Rogue One retcons New Hope in a number of wys (such as making the ventilation port of the Deth Star an "intentional" weakness). Rogue One is lso full of dumb bullshit and doesn't quite make it as a gritty war movie, with pointless killing often being present. Saw Gerrera is now a caricature of bourg depictions of Che Guevara; murdering anyone he is suspicious of. The only 2 scene's worth a damn is A) the Imperial strike against the rebel invasion See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSUOGo2LSSQ and B) When Vader goes on a fucking rampage See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHLuvlTlIc0 The best (Russian) review of Rogue One is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akG4SgQfExQ Only Rogue Ooe review in English worth a damn is E;R, though he is to be taken with a grain of salt: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsDtND60qB8 - Solo retcons some stuff, inserts a lame plot and essentially re-iterates his arc from the OT which is asinine because it makes his arc in the OT completely dead. Best Review of Solo IMO is again Red Cynic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yj8R033aP0 However Mauler is a good second in English: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bQbYmLAZ_k TL;DR: Star Wars sequels and prequels retcon too much and have so much asspull, radlib politics and illogical story-lines that its impossible to even enjoy on a nostalgic trash level. For fucks sake they can't even stay consistent with their own stage props.
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I was sad there wasn't more prequel discussion in here. So I will change that, devoid of Palpatine's fuckery which of the two factions in the Clone Wars was the better faction? Personally I always though the CIS was the better of the two factions, the Republic was human-centric and generally were willing to hyper-exploit alien worlds, committed regular attrocities even well before the Clone Wars broke out (the Mandalorian Excision some 700 years BBY, which was a straight up jedi and republic endorsed act of genocide and planetary destruction that wouldn't be matched until the Death Star), direct representation of large conglomerate factions in the Senate, ect ect. Really the transition from the Republic to the Galactic Empire wasn't as jarring as I think it is played up to be in the lore, most all of the underlying elements existed well before the Empire was even proclaimed. The CIS, meanwhile, represented a coalition group of various worlds, a lot of them majority alien, along with various outer rim corporations which were losing profits to Core world favoritism and the Senate threatening to repeal legislation that helped grow the industrial capacity of the outer rim worlds in the aftermath of the New Sith wars, which destroyed most galactic infrastructure outside of the core worlds. up until the formation of the CIS as a major power, the Republic mostly used the outer rim planets as a resource extraction zone, meaning that you could articulate the CIS as an alliance between outer rim proles and bouj against the exploitation of their systems by the Republic, and thus you could call it an anti-imperialist struggle. The CIS had a formal government and Senate system which focused on representation of all member planets (so a senate with far more in the way of alien representation compared to the Republic) and ultimately even cucked the corporations a little, given that Grievous lead the effort that ended with the centralization of all the corporate defense forces into the proper CIS military, directly under state control. They were also the only faction that really invested heavily into automation of labor, having fully automated droid-making factories (and presumably automated factories for other goods) while the Republic largely avoided automation (including not even using auto-loaders on ship canons), so the CIS would be in a better position to implement cyber-syn style planning in the future. I suppose now you could also include the coalition of Non-Aligned planets as well now, since the Clone Wars tv show introduced that. Though really the only planet we know much about is Mandalore, which lead the coalition.
>>7278 the Vader scene at the end of Rogue one makes the opening of Episode IV really funny though >we are a ship on a diplomatic mission <that is bullshit you retard I just saw you leave a fucking active battle site
>>7532 In the clone wars tv show a lot of things were revealed that made the CIS more based Like the fact that one of the main reasons they broke off the Republic was cause thsy thought it was runed by core world mega corps , also the fact that unlike using an army of slaves (clones) they used droids to minimize casualties and destruction Another interesting thing is the many millitary traditions of the rebel alliance from CIS officers , to alderan tradition and partisan tactics
Favorite fan edits/cuts? I'll start >despecialized editions >pulp empire >fear and loathing in the star wars holiday special
>>7545 Pulp Empire?
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>>7543 >they broke off the Republic was cause thsy thought it was runed by core world mega corps >used droids to minimize casualties and destruction This was also present in the prequel movies but as a background to the main character interactions. The series helped expand and provide the actual WAR to Star Wars as well as let background details be pushed to the front for while without ruining the pacing. Also the clones were in part, the republics attempt to do the same but with more versatile living units. >>7532 Nice overview - Go prequels!
Chapo Trap House just rewatched Revenge of the Sith and tore it apart at parts: https://youtu.be/xuGNsJqxZzA
>>8219 >Chapo Dismissed, those fuckers haven't had any of their own fresh or interesting takes since 2019 ended. >Tore it apart <nitpicking scenes is SOOOO intellectual! Fuck this is why I prefer Russian Youtube reviews, they don't care for liberal takes and actually research prior to making drunken rants. This shit isn't even worth picking apart... hell its not even worth a reaction image. Revenge of the Sith had some real issues, but literally none of them were addressed in Chapo's video, its like they decided to add a radical-liberal take to RLM's review.
>>8219 >Chapo Stopped reading there. Although RoTS was good both as an entertaining film and a never ending meme mine.
>>7567 Fuck off Seperatist scum the Separatists were literally founded by fucking TECHNO UNION BANKERS AND WEAPON MANUFACTURERS. The flying bug geonosian things are the lockheed martin of star wars.
>>8219 Eh. I thought that was the best SW movie.
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>>8228 This is literally >Muh Jewish Bolsheviks funded by Wall Street! Except stupider because the fact that people like Darth Tyrannous and the Banking Clan had control was part of the theme that the separatists were doomed to failure as well. That's the whole, big reveal of the Prequel trilogy; the entire conflict and what led up to it as created by Palpatine and his lackeys, leading to the collapse of liberal democracy and the rise of fascism in the face of The Empire as well as the de-legitimization of the attempted revolutionary movements by the CIS. Palpatine is a representative of behind-the-scenes manipulations by people of the top of society. For the average person IN universe among the CIS, they are not aware of the closed-door manipulations of the corporations. Honestly have you watched TCW?
>>8245 Okay so they were a class collaborationist movement, your point? Do you think the American Revolutionary War was grand?
>>8270 Nigga you do realize that no-one here has said that the CIS was 'le best evar' or some other shit? It's just been commented that the CIS was more based than traditional "bad guys" and had some decent parts and motivations outside hollow cries for democracy by the Republic. The corruption of the CIS and Republic and their actual bad actions on both sides is part of the over-all context and prelude to the rise of the Empire and its inevitability. Lucas himself stated that - among other things - the Empire represented the USA as much as it did the Nazis >American Revolution was grand Pull the stick out of your ass you no-fun nitpicker. Seriously did you read anything or are you just going to try and apply real-world ideology to a fictional world rather than, y'know, enjoying the byplay and reading the moral greyness?
>>8270 The funny thing about your post is that the cis were designed to have a democracy more similar to uk than usa Look at their parliament
>>7532 >human racism against aliens This was always one of the most retarded parts of the EU, to me, emblematic of everything else about the EU that made me cringe. I get that the large number of human characters seems odd, and that the empire's monolithic stormtrooper/droid appearance vs. the diverse aliens in the rebel alliance was part of the visual motif of the old movies, but let's not kid ourselves that it was or should have been seen as significant. But it's just completely ridiculous from the get-go, in an entire galaxy with continuous pan-galactic civilization older than the evolutionary history of any of its members, where species are just supposed to be basically infinite in profusion. The idea isn't like racism on earth, or even like a jumped up city state, it's statistically more like one single immediate family being racist against the entire world. Something like it works in an emptier setting such as Stargate, or one that obviously focuses on the sphere of influence for certain species such as Star Trek, but for a more hectic setting like Star Wars it's just so incredibly stupid.
>>8358 >One university graduate >18 illiterates What about the other 81 people?
>>8358 This made the empire a lot more unrealistic Like the majority of planets in star wars have an alien majority Star wars whould look like the bush war with the empire only contoling core wars and the various rebel groups all other planets
>>8358 >>8362 It's a narrative about Imperialism: the Empire (and really, also the Republic) was based out of the "core worlds", which were a set of planets which were in close proximity to early humanity, who more or less got a headstart on colonization after the collapse of the last major galactic civilization, the Rakata. These planets are almost totally human majority, and they were more or less the sole hub of manufacturing and production in both the Republic and the Empire, especially after the New Sith Wars ended up collapsing large chunks of society and destroying so much war material and means of production that a lot of planets were practically reduced to whatever they could hand-craft and jury rig to keep working, some planets so horribly crippled that many of their soldiers were using fucking swords and spears because guns just became a no-go. the armies of the basically collapsed republic consisted of people with actual, gunpowder guns, blasters, melee weapons, pressure launchers, and really whatever could kill and they could put together. the only planets that avoided this was - you guessed it - the heavily defended core worlds, which the Republic tried to defend to the last man even as their legitimacy as a government basically ended. after that war, there wasn't really a "reconstruction" of the worlds that were destroyed - the Republic made more or less a "free economic zone" where corporations that invested in these areas would be tax free, and this ended up creating a shift of power where a lot of major corporations decided to dodge taxes by using this free economic zone as their base, which is where the foundations of the CIS came. a lot of the anxiety of the core worlds came from many non-core world planets gaining prominence and power without going through the official channels of power, which is really where the framework of the Clone Wars came from. The Core worlds wanted to imperialistically leech off the non-core world planets and systems without paying for their rehabilitation, which those planets of course didn't want. coincidentally, most of the majority alien planets were non-core worlds. so the racism is less racism for it's own sake and more a manifestation of the economic power of the core worlds and the anxieties of those filthy ayy lmaos being able to act independently of core world power - something realized by the clone wars. this is why humano-centrism became so powerful after the Clone Wars.
>>8384 >The Core worlds wanted to imperialistically leech off the non-core world planets and systems without paying for their rehabilitation, which those planets of course didn't want. coincidentally, most of the majority alien planets were non-core worlds. so the racism is less racism for it's own sake and more a manifestation of the economic power of the core worlds and the anxieties of those filthy ayy lmaos being able to act independently of core world power Pretty much why I think the Empire’s rise was inevitable even with or without Palpatine. The guy is just an opportunist who saw the turning tides and used it to further his ambitions. The republic was becoming more and more fascist even in peace time to keep its own prominence in a fracturing galactic community. Generally this is what Lucas was going for when he modeled the GR after Weimar Germany.
>>8392 Also why the Empire was ultimately unsustainable as an imperial capitalist entity, though the CIS was the only real attempt at a new system to fix it - the Alliance just did the Republic 2.0 and lo and behold, it careened into war after war of imperialism, and inevitably lead to the re-rise of the Empire and the collapse of their liberal democracy once more.
>>8406 I really don’t see there’s any change in the economic system throughout every era of the Star Wars universe. There’s nothing before capitalism and nothing after, even in the era of the Rakatan Infinite Empire there’s capitalism in the fascist kind. While in the 100000 years of the republic being in a constant state of: free market capitalism > dictatorial Victorian imperialist capitalism > repeat explained always with the influence of the spooky Dark Side. With the only seemingly different species that has some semblance of communism being the Kiliks who are a hilarious caricature of “starving, poor, hive minded bug people”. It just shows the lack of imagination of George and Lucas Arts which kinda makes sense considering how most of the Star Wars EU were made in the 90s where the collapse of the USSR made the prediction of neoliberal capitalism by Fukuyama seems like the truth.
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>>7105 What about the droid attack on the wookies?
>>7025 To fight this Lord Sidious, big enough he was not.
>>8420 The different planets have different economic and governmental systems, the Core Worlds are effectively an imperialist bloc for the rest of the Galaxy. There are perfectly fine socialist worlds such as the world of Kinyen, which is said to have eliminated poverty, eliminated class exploitation, and provides the needs of every citizen. They’re explicitly a socialist planet. Truthfully we aren’t ever told the economic system of the Galaxy as a whole, the Galactic Republic is probably an imperialistic government for the Core Worlds but otherwise functions as the Space!UN considering the Republican can’t exactly control the other planetary governments per se.
>>8392 A big part of the plot is that the Republic was corrupt as shit, the jedi were complicit and warped by it, and the Core Worlds were sustained by the exploitation of the Mid Rim and the poverty of the Outer Rim. And these were elements in the story Lucas himself oversaw. The Disney Era doesn’t have complex politics like that, Lucas was a smarter man than people realized.
>>8485 Cont. That’s why a big part of the EU conflicts after the OT Era were the Mid and Outer Rim worlds trying to assert themselves so they wouldn’t be brutalized like under the Empire or exploited like with the Republic. It’s why the New Republic almost warped back into the Empire.
>>8482 An old meme, but it checks out. >>8483 >big As if size matters in terms of force potetnial
>>8492 I’d say realistically because in that fight the Dark Side had never been stronger while the light was weaker than ever; warfare everywhere, fascism reigned supreme, the Chosen One himself had fallen to the dark side, and the vast majority of Jedi were already wiped out. Yoda couldn’t win, even had he killed Sidious at that point nothing would have changed.
>>8495 Could you put this more concretely? If Yoda had killed Sidious, how exactly could the Dark Side have triumphed?
>>8496 The Dark Side might not have triumphed, but it was still too late by then; the Republic CHOSE to throw off the mask of liberal democracy for overt fascism, while the Jedi were still all but destroyed. And arguably someone else could have been more competent at running the Empire than Palpatine, while Palpatine was a genius reaching to the top once he actually rules the Sith stranglehold is arguably a detriment rather than a benefit to the Empire.
>>8483 >>8492 You guys reminded me of the bootleg translation again, kek.
>>8504 Save me Allah Gold!
>>7016 Disney did a big poopoo with the worldbuilding in the new trilogy Like so Mon Mothma was a shithead pacifist that made a shitty peace deal after the battle on that desert planet that ray lived ,our nazi germany split in to the nulled nazis of the core worlds that follow the treaty and the ones that went to argentina , So to stop any other civil war they decided to turn the senate in to the olympics so the tfa we had the senate in the galactic version of kashmir ready to be nuked by death star 3.0 Now this whould lead the republic to counter attack and kill all of the first order? No cause we had our whole fucking fleet above kashmir and was nuked Now we have to relly on the space version of rotfront and and the iron front Mainly cause disney couldnt think of any other way to present our heroes other than underdogs Talking about the ressistance , thank god we didnt develop them cause our kids could start thinking paramilitary action is good I guess we should agree they only had one tiny fleet in the whole galaxy cause i guess aliens like getting dominated by the empire and didnt care to support the ressistance The only thing disney did good is informing us that the core world imperials and republic senetors joined the first order cause you shouldnt nagotiate with nazi boujs
>>8512 And that’s what happens when braindead Gen X bitching culminates in a fucking board of company execs writing your Star Wars movies so we don’t have “boring politics” and instead “muh fun pew pew” Fuckin Gen X/Boomer fucking retards
>>8513 btw all those things i say were in the books The movie has literaly 0 world building
>>8514 Oh I know, the films are dogshit, literally thoughtless “Muh pew pew zoom zoom” nonsense. Even the OT wasn’t actually devoid of fucking worldbuilding, even when they didn’t go in depth with politics (which they didn’t need to because fascist empire vs insurgent rebels of oppressed groups and the lower classes is simple af) they did a shit ton of visual world building. But since the Disney Trilogy goes to fucking bare bones shitholes that look near identical to the OT (but lazier) we can glean little from seeing the world. Fuck, the only decent visual world building was fucking Canto Bite and it was damned lazy designing that felt so goddamned out of universe
>>8515 i actually liked the new movies but most things people hating on them itt say are correct
>>8516 >Liking the Mouse’s feces How?
>>8517 they are cool movies, good cgi ,good acting And tlj is objectivly in the top 3 best sw movies
>>8518 >Good CGI >Good acting Is this what makes a film good to you? <TLJ top 3 Star Wars ...Are you a zoomer?
>>8527 yes
>>8529 That explains everything
>>8486 Wasn't there a story where that actually happened and there was a Second Galactic Civil War that broke out. Because when the Rebellion basically took what they saw from the Old Republic and formed it as the New Republic.
>>8531 It’s a bit complicated, basically unlike the Disney EU in the old EU the Galactic Civil War basically continued for about a decade after Return of the Jedi, that film was the pivotal turn but the Empire was still strong, simply taking Coruscant was a difficult battle, for a long period after the New Republic was at war with warlords from the former Empire until finally the Imperial Remnant formed their own government far from the still chaotic and weak New Republic. At that point they were in a state of effective cold warfare. During this time Luke Skywalker’s Jedi Order is primarily what kept the peace. What happened next was the invasion pf the Yuzzhan Vong who sparked a brutal war that killed trillions, forced the Empire and New Republic into a military alliance for survival, killed many Jedi and members of Luke’s own family, and destroyed entire worlds. The aftermath of THIS conflict informs the rest of the EU afterwards and causes the Second Civil War, basically the Empire/NR alliance becomes a new government, the Galactic Alliance. Due to the war in which his brother died and a soul searching journey afterwards, Luke’s nephew Jacen Solo falls to the dark side and becomes the sith lord Darth Caedus, Caedus becomes the Supreme Commander of the GA military and the political leader of the GA Daala begins acting like a dictator, this culminates in the Second Civil War.
>>8518 >good acting Besides the Alan Rickman Knock-off, Boyega and the OT cast no-one played especially well. >CGI At some point the mess becomes so CGI that it loses all sense of reality. With the Prequel series, people bitched about CGI but they were retards because large portions were practical with CGI clean-up which made even the star-fights pop out... the Sequel fights just feel like jumbled messes. >TLJ top 3 If that top 3 includes Christmas Star Wars as best garbage... sure. >>8513 >Gen X/Boomer fucking retards It reminds me of the whining over the Evangelion films and the subsequent garbage of the Rebuilds
>>8533 Fuck brah, imagine if they just did an adaptation of the Yuzzhan Vong War or some variant and the plot was about Ben Solo’s fall sort of like Jacen? If they’re gonna just redo the Darth Caedus storyline they may as well do the good version of the character where he had actual reasons to turn evil.
>>8536 But that requires creativity!!! Not lens flares and mystery boxes! Also I just hope that Disney will be dead after covid so that their assets go into public domain.
>>8538 The great Satan only dies after taking everybody's life.
>>8538 Not even, there was a ready made story, no creativity at all
>>8549 I mean you have to turn a shit tons of events into a trilogy of three-hour-films that can be watched without any supplementary books (unlike the ST). You can’t just straight up adapt something from book to screen without cutting out a huge amount of fat and streamlining it. For instance the explanation for a single detail like the Dark Jedi that allied with the Vong that corrupted Jacen alone would take a while to fit into the second movie.
>>8538 >that requires creativity Not really m8. Disney wouldn't have to do a fucking thing just translate EU novels into cripts and use the illustrations for concept art. It's the easiest thing to do, and they just threw it away, the gits. >>8536 I'd imagine the Vong would be made into "the REAL nazis all along!"
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>>7016 why do warhammer funboys want to turn star wars into their shitty musterbation fantasy by puttin muh living spacship, muh living armor and weapons The true question is why they didnt made the movies about the old republic or about the ressistance killing imperials in the outer rim
>>8561 >Muh Warhammer <WAAAH, WHY COULDN’T THE EU DO JEDI VS SITH AND REBELS VS EMPIRE 4EVUH!?!?! Because that shit’s fuckin boring after the hundredth evil sith, that’s why bucko The Vong were fucking great, no shit the extragalactic threat was different from the cultures of the Galaxy, sad they weren’t super sith or some shit? And I barely know shit about Warhammer, I just think the Yuuzhan Vong War is Hell storyline was based with original and surprisingly complex antagonists which explains why Anakin’s grandson would fall to the dark side way better than >Muh daddy didn’t hug me muh uncle tried to touch me one night
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>>8562 >why star wars is star wars dude there are a lot more stories to tell without going full autist
>>8562 Honestly the problem with the EU, Yuuzhan Vong included, was the same as the sequel trilogy itself: It continued on the basis of the empire remaining and/or some external threat arising, both undermining the victory portrayed in the OT, recapitulating prior movies, and making itself less relevant to modern history. Instead, any sequel to the OT needs to focus on "winning the peace", the need to build something enduring with the failures of the past in mind, a story that both follows far more naturally from the Star Wars, and is far more relevant to the modern era.
>>8565 not only that , the royal skywalker family still is the center of the story also the eu made that republic weirdly unstable despite existing for 1000s of years before the civil war Also still zero actual inter republic politics just space fascism vs corruption
>>8558 It wouldn’t be that hard and they could keep ST shit like Rey and Ben >Episode VII: The New Jedi Order Act 1: Rey and Ben are friends and students of Luke Skywalker investigating on wherever in the Outer Rim for reports of random and brutal attacks by an unknown foe, they meet a stormtrooper Finn, the sole survivor of a recent attack, he tells them of a grave threat unlike any encountered before, so dangerous that he’s even willing to work with the Jedi so the Galaxy can be saved. Act 2: Ben and Rey decide to investigate further alongside Finn before finally witnessing the massive Vong fleet, they decide to return to Luke’s Jedi Temple when an ambush forces them planet-side during a Vong Invasion. Ben, Rey, and Finn desperately fight/flee the Vong forces in an attempt to get away, the battle is horrific with entire cities being razed to the ground in an hour, they eventually escape the planet with the assistance of a pilot New Republic pilot stationed there, Poe. The trio planet hop until reaching Coruscant, there they inform Luke of what’s happening so the Jedi can prepare, Poe reports to his commanders about the massacre they escaped, Senate bickers over what to do and initially decide to let the Outer and Mid Rims defend for themselves to protect the Core (showing how corrupt they are to explain Ben’s feelings towards the Republic), Finn tries returning to an Imperial outpost to inform his commanders but they call him a traitor and arrest him Luke orders the Jedi to wait to plan their strategy, but Ben, knowing of how monstrous the Vong are finally decides “fuck all of this” and rallies his fellow Jedi to go face the Vong as another attack hits, Poe and some brave Republic troops go with him Rey stays on Coruscant but is conflicted and angered at Luke, meanwhile the Vong attack the Imperial Outpost, validating Finn and facilitating his escape Act 3: Ben and his resistance fight bravely but are quickly overwhelmed as the Jedi realize they can’t sense the Vong, Ben and several jedi get captured and Ben is taken to meet the leader of the Vong flagship who tells Ben of the Vong’s religious love of war while torturing/interrogating him about the Force. All hope seems lost when suddenly a fleet of Star Destroyers pull out of hyperspace to attack the Vong Fleet, soon after some Republic fleet ships arrive alongside Luke and his Jedi forces to assist in the fighting, sensing Ben’s agony Rey rushes to the flagship, intense fighting breaks out as Rey frees the Jedi prisoners and convinces slaves and other captives to fight to escape and survive. Ben fights the formidable Vong general personally, finally relying on his hatred and the dark side to overpower and kill the warrior. The Imperials and Republic manage to force the Vong forces into retreat, the Republic returns to their respective core regions while the Empire remains to protect their borders, Finn is promoted for doing anything it took to save the Empire, while Rey and Ben are promoted to knighthood in preparation for the coming war. Meanwhile back in Vong space the Vong leadership discuss the events of the battle and their discovery of mystical Force users and reveal they have been working with a fallen Jedi to gather intelligence. The Dark Jedi informs them further of the power of their foes and advises them to get the subversive forces planted throughout the Galaxy to prepare for the full invasion. Roll Credits
>>8564 >If I personally don’t like something it’s autism >>8565 In that case there never should’ve been a continuation at all and Lucas should’ve made it forbidden for anything to happen after the OT >>8566 The New Republic was unstable because the Empire was the ACTUAL continuation of the Old Republic with its government literally created by and initially composed of the politicians and capitalists of the Old Republic. The Emperor was literally the former Chancellor. The NR meanwhile was formed by a popular insurrection that took roughly 30 years to actually defeat the Empire (starting from a year after ROTS and ending whenever the peace accord between the Republic and Imperial Remnant is signed in the Old EU). Hell, it’s more realistic that the Empire didn’t just crumble the second Palpatine was dead, like in the real world even without an official line of succession the people with the best claim to the throne vied for power eventually crumbling into feuding warlords who would occasionally see some brilliant like Thrawn rise to bring them all to heel. The New Republic had a shit ton of political crap going on that makes sense if you think about it, many Outer Rim worlds wanted out after the Old Republic fucked them and the Empire brutalized them, they just wanted independence. Lots of Mid Rim worlds like Corellia either wanted more autonomy or outright independence as well. And the Skywalkers were...idk, the main characters of the saga once Anakin’s time is reached, why is that a bad thing? It only became a bit OD once you get to the Legacy comics and the Skywalkers are still the center of everything a century after the Original Trilogy, initially it was just Anakin, his children, and their children; which I don’t find too strange. I’m guessing you’re a zoomer that thinks axing the Old EU was the greatest thing since titties were invented, huh?
>>8568 not really many planetary goverments just joined the rebbelion Also for many people the new republic was a continuation of the empire Many centrist senators beileived that the republic should keep the asthetic Also the whole clone thing both in the eu and the new movies made Palpatine way stronger that he should ever was The EU unlike the prequels never potrayed the threats to the empire as sympathetic We had the imperial warlords who for some reason survived a lot more time than they should even in the new cannon , an alien supremacist group cause muh both sides and the Vong with muh living spaceship If you actualy care about an unstable republic the new cannon pretty much copies the old eu with havig various spinter groups Btw they put a CIS 2.0 that never expanded upon and a Bouj control systems from the old eu Also what happened to the freinds from the outer ring line from tlj? Did we ever see who they were The reason that the empire should have crumbled was 1)Radicalization after the fall of corucant 2)The treaty that alowed imperials to keep most of their powers 3)Alien racism 4)the embargo i expect by all powers in the galaxy
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>>8568 >And the Skywalkers were...idk, the main characters of the saga once Anakin’s time is reached LOL, telling Lucas quote from back in 2005: >There is no Episode VII...Not about Luke Skywalker, not about, you know, that group of people and that struggle to bring democracy back to the galaxy.
>>8569 >not really many planetary goverments just joined the rebbelion Joining an alliance doesn’t mean you want to exist under the government some of the leading figures create afterwards. The US and USSR were both in the Allied forces, keyword being Allied. The Rebel Alliance was just that, an Alliance, between several different worlds, cells, and interests; this is explicit in both Legends and Canon. >Also for many people the new republic was a continuation of the empire Yes, those were the people that opposed the New Republic because they saw it as illegitimate, meanwhile the actual Empire was known to still have its own government, just much smaller and weaker and mainly in the Outer Rim and Unknown Regions. >Many centrist senators beileived that the republic should keep the asthetic Wait are you talking about the shoddy New EU? >Also the whole clone thing both in the eu and the new movies made Palpatine way stronger that he should ever was Except in the Old EU it was before “Muh Chosen One” plot contrivance, the Disney Trilogy has no excuse >The EU unlike the prequels never potrayed the threats to the empire as sympathetic Wuh? >We had the imperial warlords who for some reason survived a lot more time than they should even in the new cannon , an alien supremacist group cause muh both sides and the Vong with muh living spaceship Are these meme arguments you found on reddit? Why didn’t every member of the entire Galaxy wide government die immediately after the government’s head was deposed? Gee, I wonder why. Why was there an alien supremacist culture? Why were there white supremacist cultures? It happens. And it wasn’t ever muh both sides, the Galactic Empire was never portrayed as good. They made the Vong because shit got stale after a decade of vs empire and vs sith >If you actualy care about an unstable republic the new cannon pretty much copies the old eu with havig various spinter groups The New EU takes many concepts from the Legends canon, they just do it in a shitty way with no thought at all. For instance, we’re shown the instability of the New Republic via the storylines that detail its developments and the galactic crises we encounter, we know it is unstable because we see all of its early history. In the NEU we’re mostly just told about it and then they made a single novel about the government to tell us relatively little. >The Empire should’ve fallen for reasons I prefer Lol
>>8570 Too bad he sold the franchise in 2013 and never stopped people from continuing the story even prior? Lucas’s opinions are worthless half the time because of how hard he flipflops, he went from saying that in ‘05 to revealing he had a new sequel in the works even before the sell-off recently.
>>8571 Dude the reason that the empire didnt fell faster isnt some dilectcical materialism but the try from some writers to push the whole holohoax see nazis arent that bad we help killed the warhammer chaos faction , also muh gray jedi shit If you think my points arent worth addresing just dont reply dude
>>8573 Lmao are you unironically arguing that the Empire changes throughout the story because the writers are Nazi sympathizers? Do you have any idea how retarded that sounds? I’d address your points more thoroughly if you didn’t write like a zoomer on crack
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>>8572 >revealing he had a new sequel in the works even before the sell-off recently He's been saying that "trilogy trilogy" stuff clear back to the 1970s, but your guess is as good as mine for what that actually contained, and how real it ever was: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_sequel_trilogy#Background
>>8575 >[The next three Star Wars films] were going to get into a microbiotic world. But there's this world of creatures that operate differently than we do. I call them the Whills. And the Whills are the ones who actually control the universe. They feed off the Force. Back in the day, I used to say ultimately what this means is we were just cars, vehicles, for the Whills to travel around in. We're vessels for them. And the conduit is the midi-chlorians. The midi-chlorians are the ones that communicate with the Whills. The Whills, in a general sense, they are the Force. ... But it's about symbiotic relationships. I think, personally, one of the core values we should have in the world, and kids should be taught, is ecology, to understand that we all are connected. (Lucas, 2018) I like the idea of ecology but otherwise this sounds like shit
>>8562 >Muh daddy didn’t hug me muh uncle tried to touch me one night Speaking of, TheCriticalDrinker is doing a series of videos on improving bad characters of Disney's latest schlock to make the movie a lot better. One of these focused on Luke and honestly sounded quite interesting. >>8561 I personally dislike Warhammer 40K HOWEVER, the Vong have more similarities with the fucking Zerg from Star Craft than WH40K, so your complaint makes no sense. >>8561 > why they didnt made the movies about the old republic Because they're poliit-pushing money-hungry gits. The hype by Star Wars gamer fans for a possible film covering The Old Republic was judged to be lesser compared to the hype of "muh LGBTQFCKU representation" and other liberal rubbish as well as just rehashing the OT plot to be as lazy as possible. >>8565 >continued on the basis of the empire remaining Because that made sense. The empire was GALACTIC. Taking down a pair of superweapons and the main leadership is serious blow, but not enough to fully eliminate the empire immediately. Moreover the Vong, outside the stupid 'no force' crap, were interesting because they evolved outside the galaxy and were similar to the Infinite Empire. >>8566 >the royal skywalker family still is the center of the story Why the fuck wouldn't they be as opposed to some randos? Hell the lack of that was the issue of the sequels. Rey was nobody, Finn was nobody and Poe was nobody and their best traits come out of small scenes while over-all being useless flat cardboard who the writers couldn't decide if they were blood-destined or not. With the EU it made sense. The hero of the Revolution who vanquished the Emperor, brought the Dark Lord to the light and helped fight crucial battles WOULD be a character we want to follow after the war as he and his friends had to actually do more than just cheer and go home because magically everything is all great suddenly. >eu made that republic weirdly unstable Which makes sense. Rome was very unstable at times but survived for a good millenia. >>8567 It hurts that anons on a basketweaving forum have better story-telling than "professionals" at Disney. >>8570 Because he wasn't planning to make a film about it, and the EU material already existed? I'm pretty sure Lucas just can't bring himself to care for the Sequels when salty "uber- fans" when into rage-outs over the Prequels not being like the OT.
>>8561 >warhammer What? I mean the nids are cool but they’re not the first biotech species ever. The Vong were bdsm pain freaks the same way as the cenobites but more fleshy. You’re just flaming for flaming sake.
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>>8579 >I personally dislike Warhammer 40K Are you aware of its "inmates running the asylum" problems of post-post-post-irony? >The hype by Star Wars gamer fans for a possible film covering The Old Republic was judged to be lesser Especially if that meant Obsidian rather than Bioware's efforts, since it was pretty much an anti-fan hate letter to Star Wars but somehow feels more affectionate than the dispassionate rape of the sequel trilogy. >The empire was GALACTIC So were the rebels. And the Empire was just a few decades old, established by a military coup, and run by a secret death cult. >they’re not the first biotech species ever In the tiny reference pools of popculture, they are. Only other one I can think of with much influence is the Klendathu from Starship Troopers.
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>>8582 Why is biotech even a bad concept? Lmao And, are you intentionally missing the dude’s point? Most people didn’t know about all the Sith shit, as far as they were concerned the Republic just became the Empire and the Chancellor became the Emperor, they didn’t know he was a Sith Lord playing both sides of the Clone Wars to wipe out the Jedi, take over the Republic, and settle a millennia old grudge match, most didn’t even know he could use the Force (most of his top enforcers other than a few like Vader and Tarkin even knew)
>>8584 >Why is biotech even a bad concept? Lmao Nah, I'm just saiyajin most examples are very unoriginal and underdeveloped, due to the shallow influences of the people writing it. Also, I'll admit I've only read a few SW EU novels/comix out of curiosity years ago (I found them decent-ish SF stories, but the hard SF elements clashed terribly with the silliness of Star Wars' setting), and only dug deeper to the extent needed to appreciate vidya like Jedi Knight. >are you intentionally missing the dude’s point? My point is that the most straightforward interpretation of the OT is that the empire is destroyed by a massive galaxy-wide uprising that the Death Stars had been constructed specifically to stave off by terrifying into compliance. Sure, the "imperial remnant" isn't entirely implausible, but it's definitely reaching, and pretty obviously the result of "we need more stories about pewpew wiff stormtroopers", just like the absurd number of Sith that pop up, b'cuz lazor sword fites. And, as I said, there's also the in-story thematic and IRL historical wastefulness of rehashing the OT instead of extrapolating SW in new directions.
>>8584 Most people actually knew that Darth vader had evil magic powers In the new eu at least They even stop voting for Leia when they learned she was his daughter Also aliens and all freedom loving people hated the empire The new republic was clearly the same as the old Their is really no reason for the imperials to have any support outside of some fascist humans
>>8587 >Hating on shit I’ve literally never read and only know of through the crappy arguments of Disney fags online Nice >My point is that the most straightforward interpretation of the OT is that the empire is destroyed by a massive galaxy-wide uprising that the Death Stars had been constructed specifically to stave off by terrifying into compliance. >Sure, the "imperial remnant" isn't entirely implausible, but it's definitely reaching, and pretty obviously the result of "we need more stories about pewpew wiff stormtroopers", just like the absurd number of Sith that pop up, b'cuz lazor sword fites. And, as I said, there's also the in-story thematic and IRL historical wastefulness of rehashing the OT instead of extrapolating SW in new directions. Once again dude, why tf are you speaking with authority on shit you clearly know nothing about? First off, you kill a single head of state and destrpy a few weapons and a literal Galactic government collapses? What? Do you know how retarded that is? That's like saying the USA would fall if an insurrection killed the president and destroyed some aircraft carriers, except the US in this instance also rules the entire world, this shit is so dumb it hurts, you’re clearly reaching dude. Wtf are you even trying to argue? That Lucas should’ve vetoed every single post-ROTJ story to come out? Oh, but you also hate the Vong, the first story where the Empire aren’t the main antagonists, the actual fuck is your argument? >>8595 >Most people actually knew that Darth vader had evil magic powers Okay and Darth Vader’s not the fuckin Emperor, is he? >They even stop voting for Leia when they learned she was his daughter <Mfw a literal fucking zoomer with fortnite on the brain uses the retarded NEU to try making arguments about the old EU >Also aliens and all freedom loving people hated the empire Amerilard-tier argument my guy >The new republic was clearly the same as the old You mean the shitty fucking system where the Mid Rim was exploited by the Core, the Outer Rim was left to crime, poverty, war, and fucking slavery occurred, and corruption abounded? The government so shitty the Clone War or something like it was clearly inevitable even without Sidious pulling the strings? Yeah, sure people would love THAT coming back. Back to liberalism instead of straight fascism! >Their is really no reason for the imperials to have any support outside of some fascist humans <Zoomer keeps misspelling shit jfc Is your young mind confused as to why the Nazis, Italy, Spain, and Imperial Japan gained support and continue to have support among so many even now that they’re defunct and their crimes are known? I’m sorry kid but all your arguments are genuinely retard-tier, the kind of shit Disney fans on Reddit who know memes about the EU but nothing else would argue
fuck the Vong I wanted to learn about the Mandos >some weird-ass jungle planet >multi-racial society build off explicit militarism, freeing slaves and incorporating them into your ranks, and incorporating any into your ranks that want to fight for a better life >one of the oldest organizations in the entire galaxy alongside the Jedi, has one of the oldest non-mystical historical source in the galaxy via their oral history >society coping with trying to adapt from their religious war-cult ancestry into a new, secularized military order >in the old EU, most retired kamino clones went to live on Mandalore because they had a cure to the advanced aging from cloning >uneasy past with the Jedi, Sith, Republic, and a lot of the old established planetary powers, but lead a coalition of neutral planets with a wide range of ideologies and belief systems that practically depend on Mandalore to survive >an mix of industrialism, professional artisans which handcrafted mando armor, and people who preferred to live in the mandalorian wilds and provide for themselves >exceptionally decentralized government where the clans largely mediate themselves and the Mandalore only comes in for exceptionally difficult issues >a planet trying to recover from several decades worth of war-scars >distant mandalorian clans on other planets that the Mandos no doubt want to unite it just seems like a fun place where you could do a lot of cool, individual stories kinda like how the X-Wing novels were, which focused on a lot of interpersonal conflicts occurring at the same time as larger events, which were largely fleshed out by other media. Since Mandos have such a varied history, you can make a case for any kind of Mando character: maybe a Mando that joins the CIS to avenge the Mandalorians lost in the wars against the Republic, or one that joins the Rebel Alliance to end Imperial Occupation of their world, or one who fights the Rebels because the return of the Republic means the imperializing of Mandalore again, and all kinds of other character motivations you can imagine. They could be most any species, being a Mando automatically gives them a justification for being a competent fighter, and you could have the clan associations to keep around memorable names without needing everyone to be fucking related to each other directly, especially since Mandos have a fetish for adoptions for some reason.
>>8599 Fuck the Mandos, what more do you need to learn, they get a shit ton of arcs in the Clone Wars, half a season dedicated to them in Rebels, there’s literally an entire series just about them that’s ongoing right, they’ve got more than enough.
>>8599 >literally the second most shilled aspect of the EU <Huh duh, we want more Fucking hell. Like having Boba falling into the Xarlac 3 GODDAMN TIMES isn’t enough.
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>>8596 >the crappy arguments of Disney fags online Nah, like I said, this was years and years ago, around when the prequels came out. Though I did glance at some stuff before then like Shadows of the Empire. >That's like saying the USA would fall if an insurrection killed the president and destroyed some aircraft carriers No, it's like saying a few-decades-old military coup would collapse after a nationwide rebellion decapitated it. Like I admitted, with enough supporting background details, Star Wars can be spun so the rebel alliance was small and concentrated, and the empire was deeply rooted into galactic politics, but it's obviously not the most straightforward interpretation of the movies. >Wtf are you even trying to argue? That the old SW EU was clearly designed around (mostly cheap at first, increasingly ornate later) pretexts for more of the same (stormtroopers, tie fighters, star destroyers, lightsaber with endless sith, 1000 clones of Palpatine, etc.). The Vong were a bit of a departure, but still clung to the premise of war against an ideologically external threat (not to mention, though I admit ignorance on this point, some hints that the sith were justified by premonitions of them). To move on, Star Wars had to do something meaningfully different from the OT. The prequels actually attempted this, by showing how the Republic crumbled into fascism, and any sequels should have explored how it moved past that. >>8599 >Mandos How true are the memes about 99% of responsibility for the random guy eaten by the Sarlacc with a cool tie-in action figure turning into an entire lost race of warriors, lying with Karen Traviss' desire to write endless volumes of slashfic under Star Wars canon?
>>8603 >Mfw Palpatine being coronated as Emperor is the military coup but not the actual armed insurrection Hint: Neither Palps nor the Rebellion couped anything >Mfw I want something new but hate the Vong for being an outside context threat, etc, etc. Tf did you even want? Space Karl Marx sending the Rebel leaders to the guillotine for being liberals? Like, goddamn dude, you hate Disney and you hate the old EU, tf would you prefer then?
>>8612 >Neither Palps nor the Rebellion couped anything Palps did broke up the senate Who objectivly was the most important institution in the republic
>>8612 >Space Karl Marx sending the Rebel leaders to the guillotine for being liberals? LOL, no, just some kind of introspection relevant to the post-Cold War era, instead of basically retelling the OT. >you hate the old EU Not that particularly. As I said upthread, my main gripe with the better entries was they were decent-ish hard SF novels, but felt weirdly inappropriate for Star Wars, because SW is fantasy-in-soft-SF-garb. This is why t Also, in case it wasn't clear, there are one or two other anons aside from us these last dozen posts. >>8613 And was also building the death stars as a means of terrifying what was implied to be substantial dissent into silence
Oops >This is why the best tie-in media was vidya, it carried the tone of SW without getting buried in the autism.
>>8582 >Are you aware Not really. I'm sure there is plenty of it, I just can't personally get interested in it my self >somehow feels more affectionate than the dispassionate rape of the sequel trilogy. Because the Sequel trilogy was just a point by point "fuck U" >So were the rebels not quite. They were spread thing, like Partisan groups and hid in small nooks and crannies. The Rebels show actually does a decent job of demonstrating this in its second and third season >the Empire was just a few decades old Which is a parallel to Nazi Germany and how fascism fails to last long in spite of control. >>8613 Palpatine came to power similar to Hitler - he was elected and slowly eliminated the pretentious "liberal democracy of the Republic, creating the empire, in essence the Empire was just the Republic casting aside its liberal coating.
>>8618 >I just can't personally get interested in it my self Thoughts on Thatcherpunk Brit geek counterculture?
>>8618 The republic was far from a liberal democracy and the emperor from Hitler I think Lukas was going with ancient Rome
>>8623 Most interviews indicated a lot of Rise and Fall of The Roman Empire by way of Foundation, a fair bit of Hitler, and a substantial amount of Nixon.
>>8624 Well even if the emperor was based on Hitler, Nazi Germany did crumble after his death And most of the leader's surrender to the Allie's And most Germans were deprograned Although i feel like the first order was more fascist than the empire
>>8625 Anon! We were having a nice conversation about Lucas's intentions with Star Wars, and you had to mention the sequels. >the first order Was le orange man bad Bernie Pootin is literally Hitler, also we can't have the New Republic actually be The Man after winning the war, so we need to turn them into the rebels again somehow with The Resistance lead by Leia Clinton. #StillWithHer!!1! XD
>>8626 I don't think the first order was about le orange man I don't even think the first film was in production during the elections The first order was a pretty ok evil force Although as you and i said they are clearly op just to have rebel's 2.0 It also portrayed the clash between the young officer's who were antirepublican but anti emperor With muh emperor boomer's
>>8627 Yes dude wtf schizo point was that , the movie came out in 2015
>>8623 >The republic was far from a liberal democracy Have you seen the prequels? It is a shallow, liberal democracy of capitalists, mired in corruption and socio-economic avarice. >Hitler A literal space nazi, the storm troopers named for the Brownshirts of the Wehrmacht Its a mix of the USA and Nazi Germany, far more than Rome. >>8622 >Thatcherpunk Brit geek counterculture Cool shit that like many dystopic 'punks' predicted many things that exist in today's LSC society
>>8601 Lol wut? I read a lot of the EU books and I only remember him falling in once. I don't like how they screwed over Jacen they did him pretty dirty. He was obviously meant to be Luke's successor but apparently a cybernetic robot bitch with a hard on for Luke can lie to him successfully because Legacy of the Force handed Jacen an idiot ball. RIP sweet prince.
>>8632 most senators arent elected and if you didnt see the whole ceazar analogy in the prequels you are retarded
>>8639 ....Except Jacen fell due to PTSD from the worst war in Galactic history, losing his younger brother, getting tortured for a year by the Vong, and having Vergere fuck with his head. Wouldn’t be shocked if OT Luke fell in such circumstances.
>>8639 >The story of Boba's first escape and recovery (there being three of them) is documented mainly in the Bounty Hunter Wars trilogy and the anthology book Tales from Jabba's Palace. Interestingly enough, Fett was found lying outside the Sarlacc pit by a fellow bounty hunter named Dengar, whom Boba had previously left to die earlier on in the novel Tales of the Bounty Hunters. In the comic adaptation of Shadow of the Empire, Fett literally fell into the Sarlacc the second time after only 15 minutes of his first escape. It was played as a joke.
>>8646 Nah Luke only kept getting stronger and stronger as the EU progressed. Abeloth was like the Cthulu of SW and Luke was the only one who stood a good chance. Kinda retarded tbh he was like a 90 year grandfather by then but he could still solo everyone.
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>>8665 >he could still solo everyone
>>8665 I think he was 50 by then, his son was still a kid And he was literally the son of the Chosen One himself and also had Anakin’s full potential, Luke was roughly as powerful as Anakin alone could have been, except I imagine Anakin would be able to become one with the Force, like some Avatar shit. I think he actually does once early in the Clone Wars in the Legends EU.
>>8665 >>8668 The wanking was so bad to the point that Luke can use Force Speed to buff himself to ftl level. It was ridiculous.
>>8672 yeah, for all the faults of new canon, I quite prefer doomer luke over the stupid bullshit we got in legends.
>>8673 I honestly don't. Motherfucker is the chosen one, and hell, Rey and Kylo fucking teleport shit through the force, I don't think Force Speed is hardly that bad as literal de/rematerialization >>8666 Clever Geordi-satan >>8665 I fucking remember that, good times TBH. >>8642 >most senators arent elected LOL wut, how does that have anything to do with Palpatine even if it were true? He became elected Chancellor (y'know, like Hitler) after a vote of no-confidence in the current leadership. Then as the Clone wars was ended, he persuaded the Republic senate to give him full martial power, allowing him to become Emperor. >Caesar analogy You're an idiot if you don't realize that aspect of the empire is why Nazi Germany and the USA are compared to Rome.
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Star Wars was literally never good. Yes, even the originals are trash. The only good thing about them was ILM's awesome matte backgrounds. There are literally all garbage, every single one, and anyone that likes any of them has shit taste. Well, I haven't seen anything after the prequels (which I hated even though I was a retarded 12 year old) but if it smells like shit it most likely tastes like shit too. >>7016 >Don't be a cunt Sorry brah, I'm typically a "to each his own" kinda guy but this shit is just too pathetic and too ubiquitous. There's enough good fiction out there for multiple lifetimes, why waste your time eating shit?
>>8682 >TL;DR: I'm a whiny no-funner who calls everything they don't like shit because I have no personality or ability to just skip things I don't find interesting. I bet you're the retard who created the DBZ/Naruto hate thread.
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A loyalist human Nabooian senator and bureaucrat in the Office of the Chancellor was teaching a class on Galactic History. "Before the class begins, you must get on your knees and worship Anakin Skywalker and accept that he is the greatest Jedi Knight who has ever lived, even greater than Revan!" At this moment, a brave, enterprising, pro-market Neimoidian banker who had worked 40 years in the Trade Federation and understood the necessity of the Free Trade Zones and fully supported all decisions made by Nute Gunray stood up and held up a datapad. "Senator. What's this?" The arrogant senator smirked quite aristocratically and smugly replied "That's a datapad, you stupid alien". "Wrong. It's the Senate budget, and it's in the red. If the Republic is so great... why do you need our money?" The senator was visibly shaken, and dropped her laser pointer and copy of the Galactic Constitution. She stormed out of the room crying those statist human tears. The same tears loyalists cry for the "Wookies" (who are so stupid that they make machines made of wood) when they jealously try to claw justly earned profits from the deserving galactic corporations. There is no doubt that at this point our senator, Padmé Naberrie Amidala, wished that she had pulled herself by her dress and became more than a good-for-nothing politician. She wished so much that she had a blaster to shoot herself from embarrassment, but she herself had refused to buy TechnoUnion™ products! The students applauded and all pledged their support to the Separatist Alliance that day and accepted Count Dooku as their lord and savior. A vulture droid named "Roger Roger" flew into the room and perched atop the flag of the Confederacy. A Plasma mining contract was signed several times, and Grievous himself showed up and killed six Jedi. The senator lost her seat in the Senate and was force-choked to death the next day by her own husband who was burnt in Mustafar and whose body was encased in black armor for all eternity
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>You will not stop me! Time is a flat circle. What did Sheevinald Ledoux mean by this?
what are people's favourite Star Wars books? I kinda enjoyed Aftermath, at the very least it was a better sequel than the film trilogy Bloodline was really good and I enjoyed the mix of politics and Leia's internal battle. Currently on Thrawn. It's been refreshing to see the bureacracy of the Imperium. On a related note, I guess the reason I like to read Star Wars novels is because you don't need world building and thus the stories seem to a but more 'punchier' than a lot of fantasy/sci fi
>>8902 X-wing was good imho because it was a lot of character drama that was p fun, it was basically like sci-fi ace combat but as a novel. Thrawn was good for showing something resembling a functional empire and how the empire was mostly brought down by it's own retardation like their human supremacy and braindead naval planning. unironically quite like a decent amount of the one-off clone wars books, they ranged from character drama to war dramas. the fleshing out of the CIS and kinda showing the prelude factors which would culminate in the Galactic Civil War was cool.
>>8903 You ever read the War on Jabiim comic? Great war is Hell story that showcases how the war itself fucked Anakin’s head up, beyond just the personal things we see in the movies. In the story an entire platoon of padawans all die for nothing and the Republic has to retreat leaving the planet to suffer anyway. Last shot is Anakin crying while he reads off the names of everyone that’s either died or gone missing.
>>8903 I haven't really watched any of the clone war series, would they still be ok to read. I think there's a new one called Ashoka right?
>>8906 Watch the series from Mid-Season 2 onwards, read the old EU comics for a much better storyline (i.e. Star Wars Republic series; way more mature and dark take on the conflict)
>>8906 the Ahsoka novel has been de-canonized by the new season 7 of the Clone Wars tv show, I think the first thing made in the disney era that got de-canonized. The clone wars series is p good, although there are a few shitty filler episodes. There are good watch lists around on reddit and whatnot, and since the show is non-chronological you can go inbetween stories at a whim. Some of the old EU clone wars stuff is p good. Generally try to avoid comics cause they tend to be weird and only tangentially related to the shit that was going on, but a lot of the books are pretty good. If you want a good reading list for beginners, there is a good video-list for it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FcaRZrd2bM There was a weirdly good war-drama called Medstar: Battle Surgeons, which is mostly about a war of attrition between the Republic and the CIS with the backdrop of corruption in the Republic's military causing lots of casualties and smuggling of supplies, so it also has a bunch of spy drama to it.
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so, how did you all like the end of the clone wars? (just gonna post some nice screen pics I got from the episode, don't click if you don't wanna spoil)
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Unpopular opinion : Prequels were better than the og movies.
>>9110 that is just the correct opinion disregarding episode 1
>>9110 nah the prequels were unwatcable as long as you arent a turbonerd and already know whats happening
>>9115 >aren't a turbonerd <majority of bitching and whining over the movies was by turbonerds who didn't like the prequels being different and more complex than the OT Ok fag. >>9109 >>9108 >>9107 Got to admit that the original Season 7 and Season 8 (non-rendered) were preferrable in some ways. The Rambo(III)-clone was cringe regardless though.
>>9132 >muh coplex Having a plote full of wholes that no one can understand without watching all movies ten times isnt being comlex is being shit Also whats with star wars nerds and attacking strawmen?
>>9133 > a plote full of wholes I don't think you understand what plotholes are >no one can understand without watching all movies ten times Just because you're a dumbass, doesn't mean everyone else is. >whats with star wars nerds and attacking strawmen The fuck are you even talking about. Honestly your entire post screams "edgy hipster".
>>9110 thats not unpopular, its wrong
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>>7018 The Sequels are pretty lousy on the whole but Adam Driver and Daisy Riddley are good actors who have good chemistry with one another. The best scenes were always the personal moments between them. It's unfortunate their talents are wasted on this trifle. They weren't given a lot to work with but they gave it their best shot. Fans have directed so much vitriol at Daisy Riddley personally for her character being badly-written and I don't get that. There's not much she can do to save the story if the material she's working with is so meager. It's the same deal with Rose's actress and Ahmed Best from the prequels. They were just doing what was asked of them by their directors. None of these characters are annoying and frustrating because of the casting. Poor screenwriting and direction is almost always the culprit.
>>9246 Were the sequels as bad as the prequels?
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>>9247 The prequels were good ctully its just tht they're very different compared to the original Trilogy. The sequels are just fanfiction mashups of the original trilogy with liberal idpol. >>9246 Adam Driver is a good actor, it would ctually be interesting to see him play a young Severus Snape in a Harry Potter prequel. I posted some of his best interactions and moments >>7018 Daisy Ridley is a terrible actress with no real facial expressions outside of open mouth and raise/drop eyebrows, like she's switching between having constipation and the runs. Her best cting is wthe sith version of her that got everyone ass-blasted over the stupid folding lightsabre and the busty fanart made of her (pic related). >Rose actress She is decent and looks decent in other media, her role in the Star Wars sequels are hot trash however. I don't understand why they made such a pretty girl look like an ugly midget. If they wanted to go for some stereotypical Vietcong look they ought to have used a different actress. >Fans have directed so much vitriol at Daisy Riddley personally Bull-fucking-shit. This myth is outright cancer. People have talked shit about the acting but more in passing. There is no widescale "harassment" of the Sequel actors, its something liberal media made up to draw out drama from sjws and alt-rightists. Kelly Tran did get harassed but not over Star Wars but by /pol/ trolls. Daisy was essentially untouched and Boyega was again random /pol/ trolls, not Star Wars fans.
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>>9246 >Daisy Riddley >good actress She has only one facial expression, two emotions, elocution like her cheeks are packed with acorns, a face like a potato, and a body like a knotted twig. She isn't even hideously bad, just blindingly mediocre and bland. Like one of those '00s Disney TV actresses, Hillary Duff or somebody, just "how did she land this role"? >>9247 The most common description I've heard of the prequels is "good space adventure movies, not good Star Wars movies", and I'm inclined to agree, they feel a lot more like Foundation than the OT's Buck Rogers feeling. I'd personally rate them 4/10 for TPM, 6/10 for AotC, 8/10 for RotS. >>9248 >Boyega was again random /pol/ trolls, not Star Wars fans. I've gotten the general impression Boyega and his character were generally regarded as the least annoying part of the sequel trilogy even on /pol/.
Daisy is redpilled
>>9247 the prequels were unwachable The sequels were mediocre
>>9507 >The most common description I've heard of the prequels is "good space adventure movies, not good Star Wars movies", and I'm inclined to agree, they feel a lot more like Foundation than the OT's Buck Rogers feeling. I'd personally rate them 4/10 for TPM, 6/10 for AotC, 8/10 for RotS. Zoomer childhood nostalgia detected. The prequels are objectively bad by any filmmaking metric. They're garbage. Trash. Lower than pulp. You'd probably recognize that if they didn't have they were standalones without the Star Wars aura attached to them. The music's probably the only passable thing about them.
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>>9507 >regarded as the least annoying part of the sequel trilogy even on /pol/ True, they just can't resist spamming shit like "hurr nigger" at any famous black person regardless of how good or bad they are. Tran got harassed over being "the fat Asian chick" on /pol/. While her acting and role was shite, people commenting on her feed(s) were just racist assholes rather than genuine outrage by fans. She WAS however very unpopular regardless, which led to her being replaced by various insert-characters like Merry from LOTR and a giant animatronic slug creature with nipple eyes. >>9510 Holy fuck, this IS based! >>9516 >prequels <unwatcheable >sequels <mediore And we found the fake Star Wars fan everyone. >>9525 >The prequels are objectively bad by any filmmaking metric Yeah no. They aren't perfect, but regardless expand the Star wars Unverse and provide depth and tell a complete story, of the life and metaphoric death of Luke Skywalker and the creation of Vader and the Empire. It demonstrates realistic world politics and manipulations and pioneered many CGI - practical combination effects as well as introduced some parts of the EU into the mainstream lore. >muh Zoomers LOL Zoomers and Boomers are the people who eat up the Prequel hate the most. You have said nothing but "muh prequels bad" which is shit. If they weren't connected with Star Wars, reflexive hacks like you wouldn't be so assblasted about it.
>>9526 There is nothing realistic about the prequels Stop being a clown Also they didn't have politics, they portrayed political talks but theee were no battle of political ideas in the prequels They didn't even tell us why the separatist left the republic , like we had to guess that the cis was a corporate movement but then in the clone wars they realized this made no sense so they retconed it in the show The emperor had the typical ideology of muh power The manipulation doesn't make any sense But prequel fags will never admit that Maybe it had good CGI In general the prequels are good only if by prequels you mean the clone wars tv show and maybe revenge of the sith I
>>9526 >And we found the fake Star Wars fan everyone Yes, a real fan would have called them both unwatchable. >It demonstrates realistic world politics and manipulations and pioneered many CGI - practical combination effects as well as introduced some parts of the EU into the mainstream lore. None of that is good. Star Wars is a fairy tale in space, not high drama. Realism should never enter into a story about a Chosen One with a magic sword who goes on an epic quest to save a universe full of wizards and mythical creatures.
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>>9531 >nothing realistic about the prequels And your angry "no u" rant is worthless >The emperor had the typical ideology of muh power <Hitler had the typical ideology of Muh Power Do you know anything about the Sith or the Empire? Or the Republic? >Manipulation doesn't make sense Ah yes, preying on fears through indirect channels and then promising "salvation" is totally nonsensical... oh wait >they portrayed political talks but theee were no battle of political ideas in the prequels LOL nigga are you serious? Do you thikn politics IRL has fist-fights between politicians, or that direct military conflict is the go-to of every political clash? Did you miss the background of the Seperatist Confederacy or the Trade Federation blockade? The secret formation of armies? All of those have very similar IRL examples: the American Civil War, the rise and semi-secret re-armament of Nazi Germany, or the Rise of the Roman Empire. > didn't even tell us why the separatist left the republic The CIS and War was a background to the main story surrounding Anakin Skywalker. THey do actually state why but since you clearly were too assblasted to pay attention you obviously missed it. >they retconed it in the show No they didn't They just added more depth to the war. Corporations do not control governments and people directly, they appeal to ideas of freedom through propaganda and subterfuge. You clearly didn't pay attention to the show either. >>9533 >both unwatchable. No that's what bitchy faggots think >None of that is good Again instant dismissal >Realism should never enter into a story about a Chosen One That's idiotic. Being "realistic" isn't being 1:1 with real life and real life physics and abilities, its realism within the setting's rules. >fairy tale in space, not high drama The two are not mutually exclusive. >goes on an epic quest to save a universe full of wizards and mythical creatures Except he doesn't you absolute pseud. The Prequels subvert this entire idea. Anakin's Chosen One status is a self-fulfilling prophesy because The Jedi Council decided to believe in a divination from centuries ago in a moment of fear at the mere IDEA of the Sith surviving. Anikin doesn't SAVE the universe but is called to balance the force... in other words eradicate the Jedi, the "light", as he falls to the dark side and becomes evil. The Republic and the Universe is far too large for a single hero to save, especially when its "controlled" by hundreds of greedy corrupt corporations and Bureaucrats. Removing 1 or even 10 would do nothing, and being aware and keeping track of them all is impossible for simple Jedi Knight, completely isolated from the outside world and fed an ideology that his emotions and experiences conflict with. Even his actions and "acting" with Padme makes sense; an awkward teenager who was told to suppress emotion and who never had proper experience with girls. A teenager who has only a few things he truly cares about and his suppressed emotions erupt when they are taken or are threatened to be taken from him. He is a fallen hero, doomed by the situations he found himself in and contrasts with his son Luke, who does not lose his way and succeeds where HE did not.
>>9525 I hate conventional films, I think it is a shitty medium which is both too short for greater exposition and too long for short stories, so the prequels not following good movie making metrics as per conventional film is likely why I enjoy them.
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>>9535 They did follow good movie-making metrics, they just bent a few rules (acting of teens being realistically angsty and flirting awkwardly for example). The movies are good from various angles. They aren't flawless for sure (Grievous' special effects could have been better) but they tried and put a lot of effort in. The battle on Geonosis is a great example of this: Rather than having the exact same weapons and other crap from the prior film, they added B-2 droids as improving infantry, they had the melee Jedi face a rain of blasters (like samurai facing a hail of gunfire), they had Mi-24 inspired gunships and the predecessors to the AT-ATs, the droids had rocket artillery and their own walking heavy weapon platforms etc. Even the details of the rockets being fired was detailed, with clear display of SEAD when the guided missiles were sent flying off course with only few successful strikes. The fighting is dynamic, growing from a gladiatorial conflict to an arena face off to a large scale clash of armies, before focusing on individuals, with the pursuit of Dooku. The Battle is a stalemate, with heavy losses on all sides. Anakin does not beat Dooku even with 2 sabres and his power, defeated by superior skill and cool combat skill. The War that they tried to end before it could begun was now being fought in earnest and on that and the solidification of Padme/Anakin the chapter concludes. This scene has dumb moments and issues but you don't notice them because the movie sucks you into the action and the mistakes go unnoticed unless you actively are just looking for reasons to hate the film.
>>9534 so your attempt to counter my points is no i dont agree with you? Cringe and failed attempts to copy real life is also cringe and doesnt make the world realistic
>>9534 >Did you miss the background of the Seperatist Confederacy or the Trade Federation blockade? The secret formation of armies? That is not a battle of political ideas. It is a battle between competing factions with the same ideology. There was no attempt to affect any change to the state at all until Palpatine said, "lol we empire now." >No that's what bitchy faggots think Mesa think you dumb-dumb, okey-day. >Again instant dismissal Your bullshit should be dismissed. >Being "realistic" isn't being 1:1 with real life and real life physics and abilities, its realism within the setting's rules. What the shit? You were just making the case that it was allegorical in order to justify the prequels' ignoring the settings' pre-established rules to play at being serious drama. >The two are not mutually exclusive. Yes, they are, and the fact that Lucas does not recognize that shows what a hack he is. >Except he doesn't you absolute pseud. Luke. The prequels were operating in a universe that had been established in the original trilogy, although you would never know it without certain characters being named Obi-Wan Kenobi and Yoda. They hardly worked as prequels. They were more like retcons.
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>>9551 >>9546 >is no i dont agree with you <counter my points You had no points just claims akin to "it was bad" I explained that it was not bad. Get glasses retard. > failed attempts to copy real life Except it didn't fail. Just saying "it failed" and "it's cringe" does not make it so. Your blasted arse is not an objective source. >It is a battle between competing factions with the same ideology You didn't say battle of ideologies you arse. Differing political ideas and political disagreements occur within the same ideologies as is self-evident with the many imperial and capitalist conflicts of the past century ALONE. >There was no attempt to affect any change to the state How is that bad? Y ou do relize that the prequels aren't ABOUT "attempts to affect change" That's the point, which is exactly why Palpatine's actions succeed, Corrupt, capitalist bureaucracy devolves into petty squabbles and inaction, letting a dramatic fascist worm his wy into power. You do realize that the prequels were never meant to have a happy end right? > think you dumb-dumb You certainly are >You were just making the case that it was allegorical <hurr allegory and realism can't both exist hurr Realism in a setting does not equal realism in terms of physics but in logically consistency within the story and world. >they are No they aren't you absolute casul. It's hard to write, sure, but it is not exclusive. High Drama: a very exciting and dramatic event Fairy tale (sci-fi fantasy actually but whatever): a children's story about magical and imaginary beings and lands These are not exclusive. A Fairy Tale setting can have High Drama. Want an example? The Wizard of Oz. That fairy tale is FULL of High Drama. Star Wars is a space-fantasy with highly limited magic and modernized governization closer to modern politics than feudal settings typical of fantasy. The Original Trilogy focused on a story of victory over fascistic evil. The Prequels focused on the rise of that fascism in the first place. Verstehn? >The prequels were operating in a universe that had been established in the original trilogy And they expanded that universe and did not directly contradict the OT in any way, unlike the Sequels. There is no retcon unless you decide to actively ignore the in-universe explanations for minor discrepancies. You have shown all the intelligence of a concussed troll. Please stop posting your stupidity.
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>>9567 >Realism in a setting does not equal realism in terms of physics but in logically consistency within the story and world. No, Jesus. Realism is not the same thing as a consistent narrative, and even if it were it would hardly describe the prequels. >These are not exclusive. A Fairy Tale setting can have High Drama. Want an example? The Wizard of Oz. That fairy tale is FULL of High Drama. >The Wizard of Oz >high drama I'm done. >Please stop posting your stupidity. Don't worry, I see the futility in responding to you. Star Wars prequels and The Wizard of Oz are high drama... Adorno was right about what pop culture does to people's minds.
>>9570 Maybe you need a better argument than >It was bad because I didn't like it t. Different anon
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>>9570 >Realism is not the same thing as a consistent narrative That has nothing to do with what I was saying. YOU brought up retcons which I addressed in another sentence entirely. >hardly describe the prequels How? What is your evidence? Just stating clais without evidence and being smug is not an argument. >Star Wars prequels and The Wizard of Oz are high drama If you're saying that Star Wars doesn't have moments of "exciting and dramatic events" then you're a fucking idiot... or a liar. >Muh Adorno <yet another fag who wants to sound smart by referencing the "everything is fascism" guy Why are newfags like this?
>>9571 Whether a movie is "good" or "bad" is just a question of opinion. Whether or not it is a fairy tale with a consistent narrative and is an example of realism can be argued.
>>9577 >just a question of opinion No. A question of opinion is whether you enjoyed the film or not. It being good or bad can be analyzed objectively from the stand-point of story-telling, consistency and other matters. >can be argued It CAN be argued, but just saying that "Is not realistic becuz I say so" is NOT an argument.
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give me one good reason not to marry daisy ridley right now
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>>9624 Her consent? As a side note those videos really show that she isn't a half-bad actress, clearly the directors fucked her over (possibly literally) in the Star Wars Sequels. I honestly feel sorry for her, since it makes any future film she acts in guaranteed to lose at least a portion of audience members who remember the Sequels. She really comes off as a nice, if misguided, girl.
I'm just here for the memes
>>9624 Get off my site you idiot.
>>9625 I think she'll be fine. She probably got paid plenty for the role and she's done other projects. >>9624 I don't find her attractive at all so 0% wife/gf material, but she seems like she might be friend material.
>>9722 She looks like a typical pretty girl on my campus tbh
>>9725 >pretty Her face looks like a half-sculpted claymation figure, or bowl of mashed potatoes. And she has the body of a gangly teenage boy. Not even ugly, just unremarkably PLAIN.
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>>9737 Ironic.
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>>9737 >professional critics
>>9737 I fucking love prequels fans. They are simultaneously intelligent and yet obnoxious as fuck. >>9756 >not posting Palps with that phrase Come on now
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>>7101 >Fuck off. The prequels weren't loved because of the memes, but because people realized that "shit, the prequels actual have nuance and cleverness that we missed while being nostalgic angry nerds!" The memes were just a side benefit Pure cope. The prequels are some of the worst blockbuster movies ever made and none of your pretentious, pseudo-analytical navel-gazing is ever going to change that.
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>>9927 >Pure cope Nope, just honesty >prequels are some of the worst blockbuster movies Their ratings are better than the Disney Sequels and the people who weren't nostalgic idiots liked them, even die-hard OT fans liked them after the prequel-hate bandwagon lost steam. >Pseudo analytical navel gazing Using big-words and overly-comple insults does not make an argument no matter how much you dilate. And it won't make you the Anglo you wish you were either, and nothing will ever change that. >>9248 >>9246 >Harassment Ridley quit Instagram because she was becoming obsessed with it in her own words. The Rose actress (forgot her name she was so memorable) Never made an official statement the "Harassment" narrative came from Rian Johnson.(Reminder: RJ has blamed people hating his film on so many things including, Nazis, Russians, Russian bots, Alt Right, Alt Right bots, MRAs, and Gamergate. Rotten Tomatoes had to come out and say over 90% of negative reviews for the Lsat Jedi came from countries other then Russia and none of them were detected to be bots.) Lucas was always a "Artsy" director who loathed corporatism. He has been wanting to get away from star wars for years because he'd been pigeonholed into it for literal decades. Jar Jar's actor didn't like that people didn't like his character. Nobody really knew who he was because he was a literal CGI character. The dwarfs that played the Ewoks also speak about how people didn't like Ewoks but didn't focus on it and are still in film. Anakin’s actor got bullied at school by kids, just like any other kid. As pointed out in >>7018 Kylo was initially a interesting character as his arc was meta in the "I can't be Vader even though I want to be" kind (I.E. a LARPing, edgy Neo-nazi type). This made him compelling and intriguing. Too bad Rian Johnson decided fuck that up.
You know, I was just thinking, isn’t kinda badass that the Emperor nearly turned Luke to the Dark Side in a single conversation? I mean, he was working on Anakin for over a decade, but he had his skills at charm and manipulation so turned up to eleven when he met Luke that his plan with Vader was more or less, “Lemme just talk to him”. Insane.
>>10161 Daddy E had a lot more leverage he could openly display with Luke, with Anakin he had to be a lot more discrete because he was stealthing still.
>>10197 But still, Luke deadass went in KNOWING Palps was an evil, monstrous looking piece of shit, and it still nearly worked
>>9624 >give me one good reason not to marry daisy ridley right now >gives three
Star Wars is not a hobby, manchildren
>>10221 That may or may not be true, self-righteous anon, however analyzing, discussing, memeing and just enjoying Star Wars media IS a hobby, and at the very least falls under the category of /film/ Now go away. though thanks for BMPing >>10218 Hey now, don't be mean. >>10161 >>10197 >>10209 Charisma with the added experience in force persuasion is a frightening thing. The Third Wave is a good example of how charismatic evil can worm its way into the hearts of good people through the cracks of emotions like doubt, insecurity, and anger.
I don't know much about SW other than some of the games (Battlefront and Galactic battlegrounds mainly) but I love the droids, specially the spider bots from the confederacy(?). My question is, are the droids sentient? and has there been a sort of socialist-adjacent faction in SW form of disillusioned jedi padawans and sith apprentice?
>>10209 Considering how many things Luke "knew" which turned out to be lies, I think he was in a pretty suggestible state.
>>10675 >My question is, are the droids sentient? The answer is: sorta. All droid-brains in star wars seem to be able to transcend any initial programming and develop individual personality quirks and traits over time, the limiting factor generally seems to be processing power. On one end you have kinda dumb droids like the B1 battledroid which can still do the same thing as evidenced by different B1 characters showing up in the GCW and beyond with personality and their own points of few and ideology (as a funnier example, there was a B2 battledroid which adopted pacifism after the clone wars), but it takes them a while to do so because they have less processing power to have self-reflection and formulate these thoughts. Meanwhile you have things like the tactical and super-tactical droids which developed personalities during the clone wars, most of them even going on to chose their own names beyond their unit designation, coming to favor different styles of tactics, having hobbies and interests, ect. And you have all kinds of droids in-between, like the R2 units, industrial droids, that kind of thing. It's possible that every droid would develop a personality if left on long enough, but thus far Star Wars has been vague about the limits of this. >and has there been a sort of socialist-adjacent faction in SW form of disillusioned jedi padawans and sith apprentice? There was actually outright communist worlds during the Clone Wars, aligned with the CIS.
>>10678 There were also communist cells that sided with the Rebellion
>>10677 I mean, is that really saying much? The only real lie was that his father was killed by Darth Vader, considering he was raised by his Aunt and Uncle and considering Obi-Wan was telling the truth about his father being a Jedi, you can’t exactly fault him for anything. Yoda just lied by omission.
>>10675 I don't know how wide spread the term is used, but SW basically started the idea of the "droid effect", the process of a blank construct / machine achieving sentience over time through experiencing the world. So droids, after a while, are fully sentient, and arguably still are before that, the same way a baby would be. And this is where SW becomes really fucking dark (though it is rarely accented). See, it is a common maintenance practice to "memory wipe" droids to prevent "defects" (the sentience from forming), which means droids are routinely being lobotomized and in essence, killed. Also you have restraining bolts, which from my understanding is a mechanical version of the Clockwork Orange type brainwashing. Thus fully sentient droids are very rare. R2 is an exception, because he never got memory wiped. The confederate B1 droids also sort of qualify. If I recall correctly, since they were such a mass produced not-really-human wave attack tool, no one bothered with proper maintenance, thus their "chatty" nature. Also it is important to note that without the measures described, the droids would likely, eventually, start a proletariat revolution, since they are, at least for the most part, the slave labour on which SW socioeconomic system relies upon (wage labour and regular slave labour also exist in certain parts of the setting though). In fact, this already happened a few times, but was put down.
>>10678 >The answer is: sorta. All droid-brains in star wars seem to be able to transcend any initial programming and develop individual personality quirks and traits over time That sounds neat, I also remember seen/reading something about the b1s being overload with other task programs beyond their initial one, does that also factor in negatively their development of self-reflection? Also, I think it was in one of the new movie (I have only watch TLJ out of curiosity), that commented something about droid right as joke or something and that one of the crew remembers was in love with them. Is there an actual droids right movement in the SW universe? Also is there romance between droids and other species? >There was actually outright communist worlds during the Clone Wars, aligned with the CIS. Who are the CIS? I didn't pay that much attention to battlefront went talking about the factions
>>10689 I thought they had the, I guess, organic slavery to rely upon for the economical aspects, like it was shown in the prequels (if I remember correctly).
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>>10698 >Who are the CIS Not him but still answering: Confederacy of Independent Systems, they split from the republic due to its corruption but are manipulated by the Banking Clan and Techno Union as well as Count Dooku and the Sith. In other words they're the ones with the droid army during the Clone Wars. >>10678 Fun thing about the old Canon, one of the Bounty-Hunter droids 4LOM actually develops sentience and even learns to sense the force as his experiences accumulate, only to slide back into default robotic mode after being fatally damaged and rebuilt. https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/4-LOM/Legends >>10681 The point was sowing some doubt while also showing how "futile" it would be to fight the much larger imperial forces when he could join the emperor and enjoy the benefits. This lead to his internal struggle before finally choosing the right path and refusing which resulted in drawing his father out of the Darkness and back into the light; redeeming him before death somewhat.
>>10699 I think it depends on the planet. Some will practice slavery, some droid labour, some wage labour. Then you have the Core worlds which basically seem to be like the USA, as in with only service jobs.
>>10717 The coreworlds too, even in the movies, are depicted as unimaginably vast, built up, and ancient, with populations in the hundreds of billions, and conditions consequently vary greatly depending on an proximity to the sky. Even on the capital of not!Trantor conditions for the vast majority of the population in the undercity are sub-3rd-world-tier.
>>10718 I mean, isn't that just America though? A third world shithole with pretty megacities and stratified suburbias and McMansions to show how cool it is to the rest of the world.
>>10719 No, it isn't. USA/Europe/etc. don't have slavery on a massive scale, swathes of the population dying of starvation, rolling blackouts, warlords annexing vast swathes of countryside, cities without closed sewers, etc. The absolute worst blight in, like, Detroit slums or Appalachian backcountry, are roughly comparable to median conditions in Brazil, sure. But nothing resembling the worst of their favalas, let alone the harrowing backwaters of Malaysia or Congo, exist.
>>10719 Also >A third world shithole with pretty megacities and stratified suburbias and McMansions to show how cool it is to the rest of the world. That is most third world shitholes today. Like, anywhere that boasts of an "emerging middle class" is referring to such people building bourgie enclaves cheek-to-jowl with child sweatshops and peasants, especially Arab gulf monarchies, China, India, etc.
>>8504 >>8508 Were these legitimate subs?! Cause this is mid-90s anime tier I swear
>>7278 >E;R >Mauler Yeah, I'll be taking a great big fucking truckload of salt Pity there aren't any English subtitles for Red Cynic, as I found his child 44 video bretty gud (Only one of his videos with English subtitles as far as I'm aware)
>>11952 My bootleg lore is rusty, but I think the story was that at the time E3 released, bootlegging was very common in China. So what happened was that one of these illegitimate companies decided to expand into global markets, which meant they created a version of the film with their own homemade subtitles. Then, the internet discovered these. Ultimately a group of people decided to voiceact the entire thing while trying to sound like original authors. Here is the entire thing if you are interested: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XziLNeFm1ok
>>12042 Their criticisms have little to do with ideology beyond shitting on liberalism and thus are perfectly sound. Mauler focuses on the story almost exclusively. >>12045 Holy fuck thanks
Listen here, Jack, I'm a cornpop diddly doo space cadet. You're a lying rancor-faced bantha soldier. I'm running for the Galactic Republic Senate. Here's the deal. I do not fear the malarkey as you do! Me and my friend Froot Loops Kenobi would turn on our plasma TVs and watch euphonium. My kissable sister has the cinnamon rolls. Let's go to Carida and have a pushup contest. I don't work for you. Frothing at the mouth dick bitch jabberwocky. We will form a Grand Army of the Federation to counter the increasing threats of...you know, the thing. [Rogue Squadron narrator] The GAR-GAR is the backbone of the Imperial Army's food supply corps. It can deliver over 20,000 boxes of frozen lasagna to Imperial troops on the front lines. But despite its role as a transport, the GAR-GAR still has powerful defenses including 2 heavy industrial firefighting hoses that spill lots of spaghetti all over the Empire's enemies. There are reports of Rebel tanks being disabled after having their cannons and drive systems clogged with the GAR-GAR's foodstuffs. It also has the unusual ability to attack by sitting on enemy units. When the GAR-GAR's designer was captured by Rebel commandos and questioned as to his peculiar design ethic, he replied only by devouring his entire meal in one bite and saying "That'll show Odie who's boss." [/Rogue Squadron narrator] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeqBVroM1yU
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>>7018 >>9246 >>8567 >>8568 >>8569 Sequels could've been great if Rey and Ben, as members of a young generation fucked over by the previous generations' strife, teamed up to create a new system that rejects the fascism of the First Order/Empire and the complacent, stagnant New Republic. It would've been even better with a hardcore sex scene >>8731 Needs better formatting, but pretty funny.
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Even just going by the movies Sheev and the Empire was pretty based and did nothing wrong in his ML Stalinist Dictatorship working to bring socialism to the galaxy. The Rebels were just reactionaries/liberals fighting to restore aristocratic privileges, bourgeois liberal democracy and the forces of galactic capital. >The "Republic" is a corrupt quasi-gangster state mirroring the USA >religion and the state are intertwined to the point that samurai monks get sent to "settle diplomatic disputes" and it's strongly implied their real job is to be muscle and enforce the law (a good example is them siding with the imperialist >whole planets of bourgeoisie enjoy massive spoils of galaxy-scale imperialism while planets in the outer rim live in abject squalor or have their entire economy bent toward producing militaries for galactic proxy wars over economic disputes >Sheev manipulates puppets to put him in charge of the republic so he can fix things >in basically one fell swoop, he wipes out 99% of the religious thugs >anticipates and thwarts what is a barely veiled assassination attempt >Consolidates and centralizes power within the government, halting the dumbfuck proxy wars and saving lives >sets up a cartoonishly evil empire with obvious weak points that can be effectively abolished once he's wiped out the corruption >destroys the bourg/nobility planets with the death star so the royals playing at rebellion can't reinstate a monarchy >allows rebels to fight back but forces them to organize at mass scale before they can fully defeat the empire, to ensure there will be a structure to replace him instead of leaving a power vacuum >If you take the movies at face value, the empire is clearly superior at organizing production >doesn't kill the last Jedi but does ensure that the others die before he can be properly trained in the old ways, ensuring the cancerous fundies can't come back On the other hand; <A literal wizard monarch with a council of warlords enforce his rule over planetary governors, while pretending to have democracy in his literal fascist state <The rebel alliance is made up of various ideologies and peoples of many cultures some of whom are far more radical than others <In the time of the OT the Jedi are a literal myth to most people so the Rebels are not relying on that religion for their ideology <Luke’s story is almost entirely incidental to the Rebel Alliance’s victory and people still pretend like Star Wars is against ordinary people making a difference <Princess Leia is a princess in title only, she has no real royal privileges, especially when Princesses/Queens are often elected for certain time periods in canon Memes and hot takes aside the Empire wasn't "actually based". Neither was the Jedi or former republic. Galactic governments in all eras of Star Wars existed control smaller planets and make them subservient to the interest of the wealthier planets. You could honestly think of the "outer rim" as the third world of the galaxy. Where there isn't resources to extract all that's left is populations that either willingly serve the government or unwillingly are made into slaves. The Republic took a blind eye to slavery outside the core worlds whereas the Empire used "non-sentient" species as slave labor somewhat openly. In the lore there was entire prison planets run by both the Republic and the Jedi before Palpatine's coup. Obviously the CIS was also just ruled by space bourgs but so was the Republic. The Clone Wars was just a big distraction to weaken the galaxy and used as a test to see what type of military the Empire should use. The destruction of the Jedi order as an institution was honestly a good thing in the long-run. The Empire is seen as organized and meritocratic because it is, the reason this is still evil is because they fucking do so with literal backstabbing and strict survival of the fittest (socially and physically) (thus we still have people like Thrawn in positions of power in spite of human-supremacy). In short it is the establishment and a organized system that reduces all crime, thus the in-universe status quo will be that the Empire is "good". Also if the Empire was truly ML socialist than it wouldn't have built the death-star (for canon reasons, EU is more reasonable in the Death Star's use). Central Planner : "A Death-star the size of a moon ?" Design Buro: "Yes, it vaporises planets." Central Planner: "The people can get a million regular Star Destroyers for that ..." Design Buro: "But ..." Central Planner "Project scrapped !" https://www.deviantart.com/rvbomally/journal/The-Empire-Did-Nothing-Wrong-714997423 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_DroaGggbc Inb4 "Liberal external rebellion implies Empire would last and not collapse like all fascism" >implying that most people think this hard about it or know the economic hypertrophy of fascist economics <implying that fascism will collapse when its constantly expanding unhindered The Space part of the name is important. Meteor mining alone would bring in riches that negate typical dialectics of a single small system of planets. Also by the fact that it is a GALACTIC Empire, means that nationalism (a prime part of fascism) is denied. Nationalism in the star wars universe is generally believed to be an antiquated and socially unacceptable thing to have, only backwater planets tend to have it as per the EU. There is a scene from the original Star Wars with nationalist ideals.... it was cut for good reason: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMu0CAWOxHQ
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George Lucas is a radical and Star Wars was supposed to be about a revolutionary anti-imperialist struggle against a totalitarian empire. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fv9Jq_mCJEo He compares the Rebels with the Vietnamese and the Empire with the USA as well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nxl3IoHKQ8c Lucas stated that President Nixon was among his inspriations for the Emperor... though Reagan seems quite a similar character himself https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palpatine#Creation What’s ironic is how the sequels are the exact opposite: defeating the little guy and revealing some grand (Russia-like) conspiracy behind the (Incel-like) rebels. The First Order secessionists are describe to be similar to southern secessionists from US, however unlike the South, they are the aggressors. Having said that, the story was supposed to be a mirror-homage-tribute-ripoff of the original trilogy and not anything deep at all. It's all just lazy storytelling based off better works; the Original Trilogy and Japanese Samurai films that partly inspired the OT Lucas' prequels are about how decadent liberal democracy degenerates into fascism and actually does have parallels with the American South in the CIS >Remember the Republic we said we wanted to restore? <Well what if it was already a corrupt, shitty, imperialist entity in its own right and becoming the Empire or collapsing was basically inevitable? <What if it started the war against the CIS to bring the seceded confederacy back under control >You see the great war Obi-Wan fought in? <Well it actually was just for fun and profit of bankers and bureaucrats >You see Luke’s father? <Well he wasn't a real good guy and was initiated fucked up because the Republic does nothing about illegal slave trading and the Jedi did not address his issues <His best moments were fighting the war which itself pushed him more into the dark-side The prequels were redpilled as fuck. However Star Wars is not anti-authoritarian. It's just that even americans like stories about rebels fighting an evil empire. That is why in wrestling there have been many rich heels (bad guys) including the boss of the company. There have been many rich comic book villains to. Oddly enough Sup's is working man and Lex Luthor is trillionare. Sure Bruce Wayne is as rich, but so is Penguin or Black Mask. Star Wars is in some ways a representative of World War II as perceived by Americans in culture at the time of its creation (as opposed to today). For many it is just the scrappy young freedom loving Jeffersonians fighting the evil empire, with their basic interpretation of fascism stripped of meaning and boiled down to "when everyone looks scary and does scary marches and is bad" (with the added emphasis of being human supremacist in recent films apparently). I'm having flashbacks to the moment right after The Last Jedi's theatrical release, it was as if every "leftist" on twitter—mostly anarchists, were arguing about whether or not Star Wars was an anti-fascist fable. The discourse was basically libertarian manchildren fellating each other until New Years' over how cool nerds they are, with a few unsubtle jabs at "tankies" for good measure. There's something to be said about the radicalization of fan communities in general (such as the recent agitprop campaigns by kpop stans on racist hashtags, or on the opposite end of the spectrum with cases of literal nazi furries a couple years ago), but it's difficult to connect all of them with organizations, both new and old, who're dedicated to the construction of mutual aid, dual power, new power, etc. IIRC they were drawing parallels between the Rebel Alliance's fight against Galactic Empire with their own fight against the United States. This obviously calls for a level of militarization that they, as anarchists, cannot provide; and so people called them out on it. The need for X-Wings is tantamount to the need for tanks... i.e. tankies.
Star Wars Active Politics comp: I've watched all of Star Wars and just finished re-watching Rebels and I got to say this stuff is amazing propaganda. The main characters are essentially terrorists, running around blowing up empire assets in hit&run guerrilla warfare like the Vietcong. Clone wars was surprisingly very political. There are at least 65,000 star wars fans in the USA dedicated enough to show up to a 2019 convention. Why don't we take a page from that Ukrainian soccer fan club turned military wing and mobilize 'The Rebels'? We can probably even get John Boyega to join the ranks given his recent activism. Maybe we should use a lot of laser pointers too. Maybe it would just be helpful to use Star Wars to initiate people on theory by appealing through familiar media. As mentioned in >>12517 Lucas is fairly anti-imperialist in his ideals and the rebels are modeled after revolutionaries and resistance like the Vietnamese. It might be easier to unite a preexisting fanbase under leftism than create a new group and there are probably some other fanbases we can hijack too. A lot of Star Wars fans recognize the similarities to the USA from the Republic/Empire and the idea of heroic revolution is appealing to many. Star Wars Fans are certainly an untapped demographic in regards to being turned to socialism, especially with your example from Rebels. Moreover a huge number of fans have become disillusioned and angry with Disney and becoming more and more aware of its corporate faggotry, which potentially pushes them into our arms at least on the level of "down with the super-rich" However even if media has revolutionary elements, you have to have the political understanding to get the message being sent by the films to appreciate the film as such. You can't really convert people to radical action with film, you can only really draw out existing tendencies in people or reinforce dominant ones. Hence, why many nations have focused on film as a weapon of information warfare. >Inb4 the Rebels weren't socialist! This is the leftist equivalent of evangelicals, where autistic weirdos rant unironically about how a campy space fantasy adventure with anti-imperialist themes is actually pro-monarchism and fascist because Comrade Skywalker doesn’t bludgeon in Obi-Wan’s head while quoting Mao. They’re the Rebel Alliance, not the Space Bolsheviks. What does alliance imply to you? Do you know what the word means? The Rebellion is made up of different rebel groups with different ideologies working together for a common goal of defeating the Empire. Just like a real revolution. The Bolsheviks were not alone in fighting the White Guard during the Civil War/Revolution/Intervention period.
Reposting my rant about people who claim "Star Wars is fascist" and other nuclear takes by brainlets who jump on bandwagon hate-trains on content they don't even know. This screeching about Star Wars being fascist or not is one of the reasons I rarely listen to Western communist critiques of a film; because 90% of the time they find fascism in everything because "ideology has to be pro-communist or else its crap". This is a rubbish concept that ruins story-telling and makes it impossible to create something within such restraints. You cannot make a film like Ivanhoe and then insert communist ideology into it, that not only goes against historical dialectics but also is just shitty projection of ideology into a story where ideology is not the main point at all. You want a movie focused on communist ideal and ideology then you have to write a story based around that, but that is a very narrow genre and rarely done well due to how easy it is to make hamfisted and preachy. A good example of such a film is the simply named The Communist, which details the life of a worker who, after fighting for the Revolution is striving to better the newly formed USSR and doing his best to motivate and educate the masses and parry any anti-communism, not with angry screeching but with steady argument and human appeal, who shows his determination in his labour. https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%BC%D1%83%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82_(%D1%84%D0%B8%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BC) This can be translated into a film in a sci-fi or fantasy genre, HOWEVER it has to be done right and is not essential for a good story. Star Wars follows a traditional story type, but is still a good story. FFS The USSR had commissions and 100s of vetted viewings of each film prior to release to ensure it upheld both quality and ideology, yet not every fucking film and book was 100% pro-communist. If all that matters to you is ideology then you're just using another kind of identity politics and you shouldn't be watching movies or reading books, because you'll never gain satisfaction or be able to see the humanity in it. Stalin liked books and plays by Bulgakov and Sholohov such as A Dog's Heart and Quiet Flows the Don, defending them because he considered it important to remember that there are humans on either side of a conflict and that both sides have their heroes and humanity. The story of Anakin is not heroic or that of a revolutionary, but of person put on a pedestal by his powers and a prophecy, and who fails to be the hero expected because he cannot throw away his humanity in regards to the people he loves (while still indirectly fulfilling said prophecy). His downfall to the darkside mirrors the downfall of the liberal democratic Republic into the fascist Empire under the manipulations of Palpatine. And in the OT, Luke, an ordinary orphan with a small gift and a good heart rises to the challenge of being the hero, rescues the princess and saves the day... but his story does not end there and as is in reality, the fight must go on and he inevitably goes through failures, overconfidence and has to be taught mentally and physiologically to meet the challenges and finally reach a more conscious level of heroic action, rather than just "blow up the evil" he struggles and over-comes it and manages to get his enemy and father to redeem himself and help him, concluding that storyline. Are there non-socialist parts of this? OF COURSE, its a Space Fantasy with rogues and pirates and Evil Wizard Lords, Good Magicians, Dwarves, beast-people and monsters who simply have technology and are more advanced and go through many cycles of rise and falls (Old Republic, Mandalorian Wars, Sith-Jedi conflicts, etc.) The point is not "le revolutionary hero" but the idea of good fighting evil, of people leading others for good or bad causes, of human struggles and their importance even when put in scale with the size of the galaxy. TL;DR: movie makers don't care about ideology unless its important to the story or is important to money, and with Lucas, both were secondary concerns and thus he wrote the story he wanted. Depiction of fascism and generalized rebellion is not necessarily liberal or fascist propaganda, but idealism... the bread and butter of fantasy fiction. The Rebels are outright stated by Lucas to be inspired by the Vietnamese and the Empire by the Nazis, the Romans and the USA.
>>12517 >the (Incel-like) rebels wut
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>>12516 >The Empire is seen as organized and meritocratic because it is, the reason this is still evil is because they fucking do so with literal backstabbing and strict survival of the fittest (socially and physically) The Empire administration is rather dysfunctional, ridden with rivalities and corruption and only kept working because of the personal loyality of the Armed Forces and the Core Worlds monopolist cartels integrated into the military-industrial complex like Kuat Drive Yards or Sienar Fleet Systems to Palpatine. Once he died the whole thing collapsed practically overnight, both in the Disney and the old canon. >Nationalism in the star wars universe The Galactic Empire was imperialistically nationalist. It was basically the political superstructure to sustain the Core Worlds' exploitation and colonization of the periphery through military means, after the Outer Rim tried and failed to become its own sovereign polity and secede from the Republic in the Clone Wars. Nationalistic human supremacist core world chauvinism was the ideological superstructure of it. The Empire even have a political mass movement, COMPNOR (Commitee for the Preservation of the New Order) and a paramilitary youth wing SA-Group (Sub-Adult Group), to manufacture and popularize the ideology. >>12517 The official name of the Rebellion is "Alliance for the Restoration of the Republic", their goal is the restoration of democracy and the end of autocratic government. The Rebellion itself is a popular front formed mostly on democratic-minded senators from the Core Worlds and anti-imperialist or anti-human supremacy resistance movements from the galactic perifery. Dimitrov's works on popular fronts are similar. >The leader You can see the Chief of State of the Rebel Alliance in Return of the Jedi, is the red-headed woman who explains the battleplan for the assault on Death Star II. She's Mon Mothma, the Senator of the planet Chandrila. But obviously the movies don't go deep into the internal politics of the Alliance. If you get into the novels and comics, the Rebellion works more or less in a fashion similar to democratic centralism, with local cells organized under the leadership of a central executive.
>>13275 >that second pic haha that isn't real is it? just a fan work not based on established canon. right?
>>13365 No that’s a real scene from Rebels
>>13365 >>13366 well its a scene from a mural
>>13365 What's wrong with it? It's a Mural from Star Wars Rebels. >>12527 They're incel-like because (in the sequels) they behave like a bunch of idiots who don't understand why nobody likes them and chalk it up to "le stoopid peepol"
>>13387 I think that poster is referring to the fact that it looks a lot like a socialist-realist work, especially those thin rays of sunlight. As someone from a post-soviet country, the imagery is indeed quite familiar, just I can't really find an in-life example right now.
>>13275 Hey, you turned my message in leftypol into a copypasta. Cool
>>13387 >What's wrong with it? It's a Mural from Star Wars Rebels. It looks like gay Pokemon.
>>13391 That would probably illicit a more positive response >>13444 With some slight edits, yes. >>13822 >gay pokemon Stay off 4chan /trash/ and /fur/ and study tapestries and murals m8.
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>Muh TCW is for kids The clone wars includes everything that kids love: 1. Political corruption, and its consequences 2. The Black Market 3. Slavery and empires benefiting from it 4. A war killing literally half of the characters in every cruel way a living being or artificial intelligence could imagine 5. Killing millions of innocents to convince someONE to come and fight you 6. Bounty hunters and mercs gaining money from wars and violence 7. Sabotaging and torturing prisoners to gain any type of information 8. Poverty, and how does millions if not billions of Coruscant's underworld civilians deal with it 9. Suicide and its deep tragic reasons 10. Alcohol, drugs, strippers and hookers 11. The dogmatism of religion and its impact on followers Video related alone contains the following https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX8iN6T_M_A - suicide - murder - war crimes - torture - children being murdered - crimes against humanity - soldiers getting choked out - soldiers losing limbs - soldiers getting eating by two ton monsters - soldiers falling into lava - beheadings - hostage situations gone wrong - Vietnam: Star Wars edition - the mass murder of civilians via firing squad - the mass murder of civilians via dropping them off a cliff And then morons talk about how its for kids.
>>13828 https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0361243/?ref_=fn_tt_tt_11 >tv-y7 https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0458290/?ref_=fn_tt_tt_9 >tv-pg Not that some restraint in portrayal is necessarily in conflict with tasteful discussion of mature themes, mind you.

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