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Dindu Nuffin Anonymous Comrade 07/12/2020 (Sun) 01:41:38 No. 12060
ITT "villains" who did nothing wrong.
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Reposting this from the Star Wars thread for good measure
>>12061 Even just going by the movies Sheev was pretty based. >The "Republic" is a corrupt quasi-gangster state >religion and the state are intertwined to the point that samurai monks get sent to "settle diplomatic disputes" and it's strongly implied their real job is to be muscle >whole planets of bourgeoisie enjoy massive spoils of galaxy-scale imperialism while planets in the outer rim live in abject squalor or have their entire economy bent toward producing militaries for galactic proxy wars over economic disputes >Sheev manipulates puppets to put him in charge of the republic so he can fix things >in basically one fell swoop, he wipes out 99% of the religious thugs >anticipates and thwarts what is a barely veiled assassination attempt >Consolidates and centralizes power within the government, halting the dumbfuck proxy wars and saving lives >sets up a cartoonishly evil empire with obvious weak points that can be effectively abolished once he's wiped out the corruption >destroys the booj/nobility planets with the death star (and nothing of value is lost) so the royals playing at rebellion can't reinstate monarchy >allows rebels to fight back but forces them to organize at mass scale before they can fully defeat the empire, to ensure there will be a structure to replace him instead of leaving a power vacuum >doesn't kill the last Jedi but does ensure that the others die before he can be properly trained in the old ways, ensuring the cancerous fundies can't come back
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>>12070 Nice one. He's rather obscure TBH, old Planet of the Apes was great
Killmonger in Black Panther
>>12074 Killmonger was the Populist Revolutionary and Black Panther was a Foreign Backed Reactionary Counter Revolutionary who cucked out for Neoliberalism.
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>>12074 He and Black Panther himself as the 2 examples of what is wrong with modern black "revolutionary" movements.
>>12074 Niggas solution to "helping black brothers" is 'gib them more weapons!' as if vibranium guns would have a significant difference compared to an AK in terms of use. Its would just be MORE chaos.
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>betrayed by his nation and tricked into killing the closest thing he had to a mother >gave up his citizenship to create a military body beholden to no nation that fought for anyone looking for defense and helped Nicaragua fend off imperialism and achieve socialist independence in the process >raided Guantanamo Bay and saved US-held prisoners from interrogation and execution at the hands of XOF >has his military force destroyed for their interference in the plans for US global hegemony over the world ensured via the war economy and hollowing out soldiers as nothing more than economic assets in a war which exists for no reason than the expenditure of capital, so more capital will have to be made, artificially prolonging capitalism and perpetuating the US' control over the world >rebuild your army anyways via your loyal comrade and begin a mission to build a nation by and for soldiers as a way to undermine the plans of the Patriots to cynically use war to extend their power, infiltrates the very military they mean to use to secure their power to undermine it form the inside >end up getting defeated by your technically son >get revived because of meme bullshit in MGS4 >go to spend your last moments with your son who kicked your ass because you want to tell him how happy you are that he finished your fight and was right in all of the ways you were wrong, even knowing the patriots made a virus meant to specifically kill you if you ever came back <die telling your son you respect him as a man rather than as a soldier, and telling him that there is a life beyond the war that both of them had waged against the patriots the whole time, before finally dying at your mentor's grave
>>12060 >sell my inventions <not give it to everyone for free Cringe and unbased.
>>12093 He lives in a capitalist world, you can't keep creating new stuff without money to make more.
>>12093 >>12098 His entire motivation was selfish anyway. Its rather like the Joker in the recent film. It's incidentally helping people but that's not why he did it.
>>12071 Obscure? The first Planet of the Apes is one of the most famous movies of all time.
>>12100 At least Joker was straight up honest about his intentions.
>>12100 >His entire motivation was selfish anyway. As he says in the movie, "When everyone's super, no-one is." This is supposed to be read as evil and destroying individuality as the typical anti-communist shit, but this is complete trash. If you look at the superheroes in the story they are much more individual than the normal people who are actively portrayed as bland. He doesn't want to destroy individuality but to make people more individual and have the same level of power. His motivations are only "selfish" insofar as he is part of the un-powered masses and has seen for himself the consequences of this. Just like in capitalism the masses depend on someone above them (capitalists or supers) to make their lives even possible. Capitalists are the gatekeepers of jobs - without them giving you a job you can't work to live. Supers are the gatekeepers of not getting killed by monsters. In the Incredibles world, normies are reduced to the victims and playthings of supers who are either "evil" (using powers to enrich themselves by attacking the status quo) or "good" (fighting the evil ones on behalf of the status quo and also getting rich for it). Syndrome wanted everyone to be on the same playing field for the sake of safety and personal/political power. The Incredibles wanted to preserve the divide between supers and normies because their self-esteem was based on feeling special and better than the normies.
>>12105 All this is true, HOWEVER he does this out of his own disillusionment with Heroes and selfish want for revenge. He's doing it out of spite and for self-benefit. That's not necessarily bad, but you get my point (hopefully).
>>12086 Ace combat has such a weird obsession with anarchists. On one hand it paints them as the well meaning voice of reason, opposing the senseless slaughter that is war in strangereal but then in zero Pixy's solution to end the belkan war is just to nuke the world, wtf? It reminds me of that guy in dr Stone who wants to kill all the adults so that property rights can't be reinstated. It's like they have to make the communists/anarchists totally retarded in their methods to be able to present the status quo in a good light.
>>12106 I know what you're saying but was it purely out of spite and self-benefit? He was carrying out his plan before he even encountered the Incredibles. He was liquidating the supers who protected the status quo, but aside from defeating the opposition, that was how he was able to duplicate their powers, seizing the metaphorical means of production which he then intended to distribute to the masses. He did stand to benefit from it, but even before he was going to hand out super powers he had a private island and a lot of wealth as an industrialist. What more did he really stand to gain from this? And wasn't the whole point of amassing that wealth to achieve the goal of making everyone super?
>>12105 >fighting the evil ones on behalf of the status quo and also getting rich for it I don't think any of the supers were getting rich in The Incredibles universe. I never saw The Incredibles 2, so maybe there were bougie heroes in that one, but at least in The Incredibles the supers were like student athletes. They get "paid" by living the rock star lifestyle for a few years and having all their needs and wants taken care of, and then they get tossed aside when the bosses are done with them.
>>12113 They were rich relative to normies, like the "PMC" types or labor aristocrats. Even if it's just having their needs met by the state that's well above what normies have.
>>12061 >>12063 Eh, considering that Sheev established Fascism, I'm pretty sure that makes him an asshole Unironically though, the CIS were the good guys who should've won
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>>12115 >CIS although fun for jokes, the CIS were paid and owned by bankers and corporations.
>>12116 Isn't the whole point that he's some kind of energy vampire?
>>12120 Correction should be made. CIS shouldn't have won, but Dooku. He was supposedly an almost Blanquist figure who wanted to have CIS win, become a "puppet" leader of the new Republic, but then turn on the corporations and centralize the state.
>>12139 This I accept. Honestly I enjoy that characters stoic seriousness.
>>12139 >>12140 Dooku was pretty cool. Probably helped that he was played by Christopher "I stabbed a Nazi in the chest so I know what being stabbed sounds like Peter" Lee. RIP ;_;7
>>12142 >I stabbed a Nazi in the chest so I know what being stabbed sounds like Actually it was in the back. And yeah Lee is a great actor, however the Clone Wars animated Dooku was rather charismatic as well
>>12093 >sustaining an aristocracy of the genetically superior is better
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Berlin, from Money Heist i.e. Casa De Papel. Followed all the rules and was fair in his decisions and didn't lose his cool. Was polite, proud, refined and charismatic yet also intimidating strict and unyielding. A respectable if quirky man. Pedro Alonso (who played Berlin) described him as "cruel, heroic, and funny at the same time". Ironically a lot of media denounced him as cold and really misogynistic or derisive of others yet, he his 'derision' was merely a more polite method of insulting people who offended him. He is not mysogynistic so much as oddly chivalrous yet also assertive, he does not force people to do something (unless it is a critical situation) but convinces and gives them a choice, such as Arianna. He also has emotions and demonstrates frighteningly accurate understanding of how others think and feel and how to calm them or frighten them. He is analytical and intelligent, yet passionate and strange, creating an odd, mature character who I sympathize with.
The main officer from Day of the Dead He made some pretty good points
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>>12155 Name one thing wrong with exterminating mortals If global communism had been achieved he would never enact the zero mortals plan Filthy NINGEN need not reply CHAD SELFCEST GODKILLER IS INNOCENT
>>12158 >Be a Kai >hate humans <post on a human site Surely a god like yourself has something far 'superior'
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>>12183 s-shut up! NINGEN Godchan is down for maintenance
>>12098 > you can't keep creating new stuff without money to make more. <Not funding superpowered villains to takeover rather than LARPing as a hero. Bruh. The guy is a literal billionaire. Engels was only a son of a rich factory owner and he funded multiple papers and leftist orgs. >>12113 The supers are like on the Batman thread epithemized the image of individual fascist actions to fix society. They do good because they can, no more motivations. >>12145 >if you don't support A, you must support B >muh binary logic Back to your containment threads Dengoid.
>>12189 >The guy is a literal billionaire. Engels was only a son of a rich factory owner and he funded multiple papers and leftist orgs. Syndrome's plan is to supply every human being with super powers. That would be expensive as fuck, and if he starts by having richfags pay for it, he can use the profit to pay out of pocket for everyone else.
The hijackers from Air Force One and their leader, an imprisoned Soviet general.
>>12060 The "villains" from the Has fallen series are all based as fuck. >North Korean intending to go full posadism on America >Pakistani waging a death struggle to avenge his daughter a victim of drone striking imperialism
>>12194 Aren’t those the movies where one line is “America will reign for a thousand years” said triumphantly?
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Here's an interesting one: Kel'Thuzad. While he is definitely not a "good" guy, his motivation is highly relatable and justifiable. >Be a powerful and magically gifted individual who can come to a position where all the rot of the human kingdoms become apparent: labourers are overburdened and exploited while imprisoned Orcs are held in concentration camps. All the while human lords grow fat and abuse their power. >Attempt to expand the known magical knowledge towards necromancy but get screwed over by the dogmatic order of the mages. >Hear a powerful figure reach out for you. Investigate, discover the true power of the Lich King, and realize you need not be a servant, but can use this as a means to an end. >Swear fealty to the Lich King and start spreading your own revolutionary doctrine throughout human lands: let us do away with the lords, with the social inequality, with death. Let us forever more be immortal and equal, in service of our new king, throw away the dogmatic superstitions of the Light and embrace undeath! >Recruit many like minded followers. Eventually set of the events that will scour the corrupt old order from the face of the earth. >To keep you is no benefit, to destroy you is no loss: all those who didn't accept the gift shall be wiped out by the plague and newly raised armies of undead, forced to serve the will of the master. >Get killed, only to be resurrected and ascend to become a lich latter due to you invaluable service. >Endear yourself to the princeling Arthas, make him your friend, and a suitable replacement for the original Lich King. >Free the Scourge from any demonic control. Now it dictates its own future. And here is his manifesto, "One Truth in Undeath": <Behold the finest of ironies. The living ascribe unto undeath all the most sickly attributes of their own lives--hopeless servitude, savagery, stillness of the spirit. We serve! The living serve, too, though they serve kings, warlords, druids, priests, gods, men, and beasts. We serve only the mighty, unifying will of the Lich King, which compels us unto prosperity and unity! <For all the endeavours of men, there exist only endless records of tragedy, cruelty, betrayal, and selfishness. For the Scourge, there is only efficiency and totality. Serve the Lich King in life, or serve him in death. His is a way of choice whose roads lead only to fulfillment! <Cold in flesh, but warmed by unity, the mighty Scourge are one nation, one mind, one being. True cold dwells in the heartless gaze of the guards who turn away sickly refugees from their neighboring country in a time of war! Are not all men of one kind? Nay, divided in their icy hearts. <Raise high our ideals, and bring low our foes! Fold their broken into our number until all serve the Frozen Throne!
>>12155 Aye, although that scientist dude did have a point by asking "where would you go?"
>>12207 Forgot to mention that Rhodes fucked up when he took off in that little vehicle without the rest of his men, it's likely they would've survived had he just waited for a couple seconds
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>tfw no lion daddy
>>12225 He overthrew a measured, rationed ecosystem for a unbalanced free-for-all... that's not based
>>12229 >muh caste system was perfect before the wh*te lions messed it up I can smell the curry in this post
>>12230 How the fuck is that even relevant you ape? Look at the result of Scar's "rule" Unregulated constant hunting and resultant over-consumption desiccated the land. Not saying the whole "Lion monarchy" thing was good, but Scar didn't do away with the 'lion monarchy', just replaced 1 good king with himself.
>>12231 >Scar ate all the grain and paid the clouds not to rain. I can't believe you would post such credulous monarchist propaganda.
>>12232 I can't tell if you're being ironic or not in this comparison. He and his hyenas and the lions hunted without regulation, resulting in over-hunting and the herds moving away.
>>12112 >I know what you're saying but was it purely out of spite and self-benefit? Yes. His plan also involves the pointless random murder of a significant number of people in a city just so that he can look like the hero saving the day, hoard his technology for his entire lifespan (assuming he doesn't extend his own life further), and then sell off the technology just so he can look like he was actually just being generous to humanity one last time before he died. He might have ultimately helped out humanity and ended a massive inequality, but it was only incidental to him being a murderous narcissist and a final "fuck you" on a ten-year-long grudge against Mr. Incredible.
>>12196 Weird that they’re directed by a French dude.
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>>12109 To be fair, it doesn't exactly specify whether the missiles that A World With No Boundaries wants to use are nuclear-armed or not. The player is kind of left to assume that they are, but it is not known and never specified. I choose to believe that they wanted to simply use conventional weapons to achieve their goal of neutralising the government centres of the respective world powers as was stated by one of the founders; "The battle to re-line the borders has moved to the meeting boardroom. Those lines will give birth to new conflict. Rising above countries and armies, our 'World With No Boundaries' will become one. For the ideal. For the people." In other words, they wanted to exterminate the people that set the grounds for conflict (ie, Versailles, Balfour declaration, and so on) and presumably leave the disputed territories to figure it out on their own.
>>12234 >resulting in over-hunting and the herds moving away. The herd moved away because the land is barren, which is the result of drought. The absence of herds would cause more plants to grow as grazing decreased.
>>12232 It is based on Shakespeare (mostly Hamlet) so of course the movie is monarchist propaganda. That's how those old plays go: >usurper kills king >land goes crazy as storms tear across the country and the horses eat one another and the sun is eclipsed from the sky and ghosts walk the earth, etc >usurper is killed and rightful heir takes throne >suddenly everything is magically fine again
>>12242 Hello /pol/ >>12247 >absence of herds would cause more plants to grow as grazing decreased. Aye, however that's not the point of the depiction. The idea here is that with Mufasa, the lions hunted enough to cull the herds and allow the grass to grow properly, and still not over-hunt them. Scar does not do this and ends up depleting the herds. The drought is a metaphor for his destructive rule rather than a direct consequence. Also as >>12251 points out its based on Hamlet and Macbeth and other Shakespearean plays on betrayal. However I disagree that it is monarchist propaganda so much as it is a monarchist idealism, something that is prevalent in fairy tales. Shakespear also challenges such ideas in other plays of his.
>>12252 I'm saying that Lion King as a retelling of Hamlet is effectively the fascist story of the interaction between the internal traitor and external barbarians.
>>12254 >between the internal traitor and external barbarians. That doesn't really have anything to do with Jews or Blacks though so mentioning that is pointless.
what's up with these threads where we're just posting pol memes for some reason? I don't get the point...
>>12258 >/pol/ memes Where? The idiot talking about Jews and blacks? cause he's only 1 guy.
>>12116 Is Madoka Magica a Satire of Capitalism? There are a surprising number of similarities between the anime universe of Madoka Magica and our current economic system. I didn't just make this up, I've been thinking about it for a few months now. After sufficient time, I have made this completely up and even wrote a log line and story beats in case any aspiring script writers are interested in making an adaptation based on the idea. Here goes the theory... First, the pun between a soul gem bearing magical girl and a singularly owned sole-proprietorship seems overly obvious, but it's just the tip of the iceberg for everything about the show being analogous to some economic feature or system. There is the feeding cycle between pedestrian consumers, witch corporations, and a magical girl sole-proprietorship; where people feed witches their money, defeated witches rejuvenate magical girls' spent assets, and occasionally a magical girl that loses faith in her cause becomes corrupted and incorporates into a publicly traded C-Corp... I mean, she transforms into a soulless witch. Let's delve deeper into the contracts formed between incubators (QBs) and the magical girls (private, entrepreneurial citizens). There is nothing in a contract that obligates a magical girl to become a witch, it's simply the logical outcome of an indefinite period where specific circumstances will cause her to transform. This is similarly not a guaranteed requirement in the real world either. Indeed, Homura not only survived an indefinite number of iterations of her one month with Madoka and the others, she even proves that one need not ever transform based on her staying a magical girl past the end of the show (until the QBs forced her into a hopeless prison for the movie). The show had some natural deux ex machina law that required magical girls to transform, and reality could go in that direction too with specific circumstances. Let's say that a small business is failing and has a lot of debtors. Courts can seize the company (the owner's assets) and distribute either assets or revenues to debtors to settle the debt. If there is a single debtor, such as a bank, or is a single debtor with enough capital to buy out the others in exchange for exclusive control, such as a bank, then that debtor has total control to how the company ends its existence; which could include being sold to a venture capitalist, being incorporated and being sold via stock offering, or simply being liquidated for cash. Most banks will liquidate assets and hope to cover losses, but a savvy bank might invest in a freshly failed venture just to sell it on the stock market as a publicly traded corporation. Example: Warren Buffet's first business acquisition was an insurance company, and he bought it specifically because it had a high asset to debt ratio that he could leverage for other investments without breaking any laws. Any bank with a similar strategy might even write specific clauses to trigger this situation into their loan agreements; say for a certain asset to debt ratio or requiring minimum valuation to retain autonomy. The suspension in disbelief for this theory to work is that some bank out there would actually adopt the policy of investing in failure for hopes of a successful IPO. Failing that suspension of disbelief, we can still acknowledge that this could happen, even if we doubt that it would happen. The fights between witches and magical girls is beautifully illustrated on screen, but all that magical flash could also just be an abstraction for the negotiations between businesses during a merger. This is especially relevant for a hostile take over. Let's say that a magical girl's sole-proprietorship wants to eliminate a witch's corporation from her city. The girl might try to buy out the corporation's stock or all the local franchises if she has a large enough magical bankroll to finance such an attack. She may also sabotage relations with vendors that the witch needs to operate by buying all the local stock or negotiating prices with those vendors to make corporate activities unfeasible. Introducing a competing product is an obvious strategy too, as would introducing an alternative product that obviates the corporate product line entirely. All of those activities are going to be expensive, and both magical girls and small businesses have a limited reserve for waging such a battle. But if she wins against the witch, and merges the ownership/market to exclusively herself, then the corporation's assets can be utilized or liquidated to replace the resources spent. When Homura defeated Charlotte after Mami's failure, she refused to give the witch seed to Sayaka and Madoka; which makes perfect sense if you envision an equivalent scenario where a purchased corporation is being asked to be given to lay persons that have no demonstrated business skills themselves. Finally I draw attention to the heat death of the universe. The ticking clock that spells eventual doom for some later generation in the future. To say it slightly differently, let me introduce you to the national debt, a ticking clock that spells eventual ruin for some generation in the future. QB openly benefits from the energy released when a regular girl becomes a magical girl and whenever a witch is defeated then fed to him; but he also benefits from the much more profitable scenario of a magical girl transforming into a witch. Banks benefit when you park a large volume of cash into their reserves for regular business activities, for reasons that aren't relevant to this theory. But it very relevantly benefits from your regular payments on any loans you've drawn, loans which will be especially high if you're in the business of putting other businesses out of business. However, a bank could make the ultimate profit if it takes a nearly default company and sells it at an Initial Public Offering (IPO). This is where we get the best parallel between fictional story and real world events. Not only is that the transformation between both magical girls and witches, but also between singularly owned businesses and publicly traded corporations. Furthermore, Because all banks with US dollars purchase their dollars from the Federal Reserve (name is a misnomer, it is not a government entity), they directly owe the debt to the FedRes. So for as much as it is in the public interest to lower the national debt, it is a much greater prerogative for banks to control the expansion and possible contraction of the national debt. QB sees that Madoka has potential to be a successful business owner. But he sees even greater potential from an IPO that will necessarily happen sooner or later. What do you think? Have I been studying for my economics finals too long and I need to watch more anime instead; or am I an idiot for taking both Micro and Macro at the same time because "elective credits are always easy classes"? -OR- Is this an amazing theory that warrants re-watching the classic anime from a fresh perspective, because I'm so on point with my analysis?
>>12266 >>>/anime/ This is a semi-ironic thread for villain-apologists, not a marxist review of anime. That said, good effort post.
>>12265 I think he meant 'dindu nuffin'
>>12195 This.
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>>12266 I´d help you out, but i watched madoka a long time ago, and i though it was shit so I forgot everything about it.
>>12333 >i thought it was shit Based
>>12269 >>12333 It’s an old pasta from an anime Facebook k group. Aren’t even read the full text myself lmao
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>>12337 HAHAHA holy shit I actually did reed it, damn I fell for it like a complete sucker.
- Legends General Grievous (I prefer the Russian robot version, but prior to Disney buying shit, his Kaleesh origin story remained true) - Count Dooku; literally the Itachi of the clone-wars saga.
>>12266 >QB sees that Madoka has potential to be a successful business owner. But he sees even greater potential from an IPO that will necessarily happen sooner or later. HAHAHAHA WTF
Stain from Boku no Hero is a bloody comrade, literally.
Screenslaver, prior to the dumb twist ending was based
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>>12060 The one and only Man of Steel
>>12113 They get a giant mansion in number 2 but thats funded by some trust fund kids that want to revive supers as a concept. You know what thinking back to that. A lot of the story didn't make sense. For instance >>12105 >normies are reduced to the victims and playthings of supers who are either "evil" (using powers to enrich themselves by attacking the status quo) or "good" (fighting the evil ones on behalf of the status quo and also getting rich for it). Syndrome wanted everyone to be on the same playing field for the sake of safety and personal/political power. Supers were already banned long before syndrome started putting his plan in place. The status quo seemed to chug along fine without the supers in fact. So much so the state was hiding them and making sure they couldn't use their powers. It was syndrome's grudge who revived the supers. He could have easily sold his technology and the state would have suppressed the supers for him. He recreated the conditions for supers coming back by unleashing that robot thing. Creating an existential threat that couldn't be handled by the state. Forcing the masses to turn to supers.
>>12116 he's literally a capitalist
>>13826 Stalin was unironically no worse than most figures throughout history and from the communist perspective was easily one of the most effective leaders in socialist history
>>14578 That's why they hate him. They don't like competent socialists, so they try to muddy MLs
>>12091 Yeah but MG1 was Venom who """"Apparently"""" Has gone genuine cray-cray by that point and is just a generic villian and he sorta made a dick move in MG2 by stealing the biofuel schematics and almost starting world war three between Iran-Russia-Pakistan-China
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>Menendez in Black ops 2 >Sister gets disfigured in a factory fire started by a US company >Literally go around funding insurgency after insurgency in latin america against the US goverment and their collaborators >Two SpecOps agents break in and shoot your sister >Trick the Black ops agent into shooting his dad. >Arrange things so that if / when your killed the final scene from escape from LA happens and the US's electrical grid and nukes offline and red dawn consisting of China Cuba and Nicaragua unfurls
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Haven't watched the anime in a while but Squealer from Shinsekai Yori. They did Squealer dirty.
>>14796 Eyyy, I was wondering if I would have to post him
>>14796 He did his best for his people, but his plan relied entirely on a gamble.
>>12146 The new 4th season makes him into a real psycho for some reason, probably so people wouldn't romanticize him
>>13235 Stain is the typical example of a villain who has a good idea but "bad methods", and the "bad methods" are used to dismiss the good idea. It's even acknowledged by Iida and Midoriya that Stain was right about heroes but for some reason the fact that he killed people means we don't have to think too hard about the fact that hero society is blatantly corrupt I guess. That said, Stain was an unstable idiot whose brilliant plan of killing random dudes accomplished nothing and everyone in lefty spaces forgets that he wasn't against the idea of heroes, he wanted a government regulated occupation to be replaced by something closer to comic book heroes ie self-organizing vigilantes. He wasn't some based anti-cop guy, just a delusional idealist.
>>14858 I agree with the first half of your post I disagree with the other half; >an unstable idiot He was unstable but hardly an idiot, he was just tired of all the shit so he decided to cut-down the corruption until someone took him down because he was tired and desperate to change things the only way he knew how. >he wasn't against the idea of heroes, he wanted a government regulated occupation to be replaced by something closer to comic book heroes Wrong. He was against that too. He wanted heroes who were heroes because they cared about people genuinely and only did their work for that, not for merchandising purposes or for glory like Endeavor. >some based anti-cop guy Nobody said he was, that was never the point >a delusional idealist He was an idealist, but I wouldn't say delusional.
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>>14796 This. This. This. What a great anime.
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Pic related unironically did FUCKING NOTHING WRONG Not only are they innocent animals just try to fulfill their life processes and survive, they're also anti-colonial resistance fighters in Aliens, beating back the human invasion of their home only to be nuked from orbit.
>>14872 True. Are they sentient?
>>14873 AFAIK they’re roughly as intelligent as dolphins or chimps
>>14872 Well according to the original lore (not prometheus shite) They were parasitic life-forms from a certain planet created as bio-weapons. They're animals, but also invasive species that destroy everything and then hibernate when there is no more food or breeding material. >anti-colonial resistance fighters in Aliens, beating back the human invasion of their home only to be nuked Thermonuclear take there. They're as much alien to the planet they crashed on as the human colonizers. >>14873 The Queen Alien is humanly intelligent but works on instincts. The Emperess and Queen Mothers are high-end human intelligence with telepathic qualities. The ordinary drones are chimpanzee level intelligence, able to figure out basic tech and how it works but not intelligent enough to do more. I like Xenomorphs, but 99/100 they'll kill you or facehug you. 1/100 they'll fuck you and/or take you in.
>>14875 >The Queen Alien is humanly intelligent but works on instincts. The Emperess and Queen Mothers are high-end human intelligence with telepathic qualities. The ordinary drones are chimpanzee level intelligence, able to figure out basic tech and how it works but not intelligent enough to do more. Do we have examples of this in animals? I knew the xenomorphs had different classes and roles like ants but didn't know about their difference in intelligence.
>>14875 >putting tits on a parasitoid REEEEEEEEEE
>>14879 >kills off the entire vanguard LOL this meme again. I;'m sorry but your Menshevik opportunists were never the Vanguard >Tsarist bureaucrats The fuck are you even talking about. Political purges aside, the military purges outright showed an improvement in all areas. >they even almost raped his daughter to tow him in line Holy fuck you really are off the deep end trying to make shit up. >he enabled everything, even letting his best friends get killed Ah yes, because Stalin is literal superman and can stop bullets fired across the city with his mind and is apparently god emperor >a tool Yeah you have no fucking clue what you're talking about.
The bad guy from short lived show "the brink". >become president of Pakistan >immediately try to nuke Israel 2based2live
>>12105 All of which is undermined by his fetish for murdering superheroes, which was of rather dubious utility in testing his creations. There's no evidence that he would actually equalise humanity through his technology - he revels in his superiority, would he ever give it up? The moment someone learnt to fly their rocketboots better he would create an improved version just for himself.
>>14886 >of rather dubious utility in testing his creations. Eh, it clearly showed their weakpoints and thus what problems to address. >There's no evidence that he would actually equalise humanity through his technology He outright states that when he's done playing hero and taking out supers, he'll sell his inventions so that EVERYBODY can be super, and so when everyone is super, no-one will be. Uravnovilovka through a sort-of transhumanism.
>>14790 Based
>>14796 Based. Cantus users were horrible to the bakenezumi. What I didn't understand from the show is why didn't the cantus users slaughter all non cantus users after turning them into bakenezumi? What purpose does keeping them around fulfill when with their powers they don't even need a slave caste?
>>12202 Honestly blizzard could do a joker-type sympathetic story for kel'thuzad with a plot like this. As it stands right now, it feels like it isn't fleshed out enough.
>>14901 The selling part just means that the bourgeoisie and their dogs will become gods, tho. It is really bizarre, since The Incredibles obviously wants to be Randian, but all the bad bits are still just capitalism.
She just wanted to take over the British Royal Family. I doubt she'd be a worse ruler than the current British Monarchy. https://highschooldxd.fandom.com/wiki/Meredith_Ordinton Honestly while I expected there to be a part of DxD that would go to Britain simply because Ddraig and Albion are from there, I was rather disappointed just how much it glosses over the Royal Family and the fact that the CIA and MI-6 are aware of all 3 factions and are even part of them. Also the Hero Faction to some extent, since their ideology rebels against all heirarchy and supernatural domination.
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Steve Merrick from the Old Guard film (which was abysmal BTW). He was the only character with any actual valid goal. Despite trying to depict him as "Pharma-bro" all we get is someone willing to do anything to get the secrets of immortality and spread it. The final reveal about the immortals "saving the world" is so fake and boring that it only underlines the fact that he was right. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-vYDqfTj8w
I liked Bane He caged corrupt cops Exposed Corruption in government and held trials And he doesn't afraid of nothing Not to mention the faggot nolan tried to make him look bad as an allegory for occupy wall street and failed miserably
>>15662 Wasn't the thing about the nuke added because they realised Bane was too obviously the good guy so they had to add in something about random genocide for no reason to make him the baddy again?
>>15666 Honestly even with the nuke Bane is still better than Batman.
>>15655 There a similar video but in English?
>>15673 Not really, sorry. Most of the English videos ranting about Old Guard are mixed between /co/ reeing about it not being proper according to the original content, /k/ being mad that it has shite tactics and soldier-skill and /pol/ mad because they still haven't realized that porky uses idpol shit to make money off of drama.
>>15674 That's pretty wack ngl, there at least any more Russian (Or any other language) ones with English subtitles?
>>15675 Besides Kinokos and Kinomiraru, no, not yet. I hope Red Cynic does a review of it.
I feel like this thread was made to harvest hot-takes and memes and ended up prompting genuine effort posts.
>>12139 >>12140 >>12142 >>12143 See my Dooku post BTW >>14249
>>15676 >Red Cynic Aye, his videos are pretty good, at least, the ones that have been subtitled, although with YouTube shutting down Community made subs, I find it unlikely that it'll be given English subs
General Adams from Killzone 1
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Hold up, how can we have a thread and not mention the ultimate posadist anti-imperialist that lived multiple times?
>>12202 >>15077 They are bringing him back in the latest expansion, and just like everything blizzard does lately, they will fuck him up.
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Kuvira definitely did nothing wrong, but the avatar thread covered that in detail already
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Davy Jones was just given the short end of the stick and the true villain was Beckett who sought to control the Sea for the East India Company. Davy Jones was at first a mortal pirate who fell in love with the sea (and thus the goddess Calypso). He agreed to ferry souls to the next world in return for meeting with her on land once every 10 years. To carry out the duty she charged to him, Calypso gave Jones the Flying Dutchman. He did the job faithfully for the first 10 years, ferrying the souls of those who died at sea over to the other side. After those 10 years were up he waited on land for Calypso to meet with him, but she never arrived. Enraged and betrayed, he gathered the first pirate lords/meeting of the brethren court and showed them how to bind Calypso into human form (Tia Dalma) to tear rule of the seas away from her as vengeance for not showing up after 10 years had passed. Heartbroken and racked by guilt Jones then carved out his heart and placed it into the dead man’s chest, burying it on Isla Cruces. He abandoned his duty in favour of torturing other sailors so that they might feel the same pain he was subject to, losing his humanity in the process, gradually turning into the monstrosity we see in the movies along with the Flying Dutchman. https://pirates.fandom.com/wiki/Davy_Jones He's very much like Darth Vader: Both given the task of enforcing and helping that which their lives were dedicated to (Galaxy (Force) /Sea) They were both betrayed and lost the girl they loved and were left scarred an mutilated inside and out - becoming monsters. Also he's a great Organ player
>>16116 Speaking of Pirates of the Caribbean, Captain Salazar wasn't much of a villainous villain really. All he wanted was revenge for being killed so horribly and what he was doing was essentially purging the seas of pirates because all they did was kill and pillage.
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Karen was just some guy's ex.
>>16280 It’s kinda wild to think most Karens were 80s bimbos that got drunk and did coke and took dick probably all at once just 30-odd years ago
>>16122 >Captain of a warship for the Spanish Empire <Not actually evil <<Not guilty of rape and pillage [X] Doubt
>>15765 >Youtube shutting down community made subs They need glowniggers to take over subtitles too?
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The Soviet general that overthrew the Soviet leader to continue WWIII from the anime Future War 198X.
>>15662 I like the original Bane and his genius to rival Batman himself.
>>14878 >implying parasites can't be sexy Have you see rich Hollywood women?
>>15765 Can't people just download the community-made subs and re-upload them themselves?
>>16554 >Future War 198X
>>15917 >literal fascist <the only villain with the ideology that the creators didn’t hate and in multiple times paint as good but misguided <the only villain that the creators didn’t debased with bullcrap to make their ideology illegitimate Fuck off retard. >>16122 >Spanish empire <not evil Back to the pit Spaniard christfag.
>>16559 >hurr Kuvira is fascist <ur a retard None of what you said is even remotely true faggot, this has been debunked on the vatar thread. >Muh Spanish EMPIRE!!!! Way to strawman the post faggot. 1) the posts states "villainous villain" all we know about him is that he hunted pirates because they killed his family members and he wanted to remove their terror 2) Just because he isn't "le epic socialist comrade" doesn't make him a non-villain in the story. The only reason we are given to not like him is because he's going after characters of the series that people have grown to like, such as Jack Sparrow.
>>12063 >unironically sayin Sheev and not Palpatine Cringe.
>>12106 >and selfish want for revenge That's a based af reason
>>15017 To maintain an Other which to point out
>>16679 Ok Sasuke
>>12060 Antifa Freddy
https://naruto.fandom.com/wiki/Cursed_Warrior_Extermination_Mission The Wandering Ninja did nothing wrong. They just wanted somewhere to settle down and the only reason we care is because the Feudal Lord and his Tactician are shown as good people (and it involves the main characters so we root for them). https://naruto.fandom.com/wiki/Watari_Ninja
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The eggs had to be broken.
>>17168 I was laughing out loud when the main character was saying "wow you're using violence, doesn't that make you as bad as the founders?"
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>>12060 >Satan did nothing wrong. This should be everyone's first choice here.
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>justly overthrows and executes a western-backed puppet >gets immediately invaded by the United States >treated as an irredeemable monster throughout the entire game >>17215 Despite gunning down hundreds of police officers yourself.
>>17231 First choice is literally every villain in ancient Greek literature and mythology.
>>17627 Actually no, one exception, Sisyphus. That fucker deserved what he got. Entropy is the greatest enemy of the tyrant and the greatest friend of the oppressed, and anyone trying to surpass it is a true villain. So long as men die, liberty will never perish.
>>17231 If you hold that New testament Satan and Old testament Satan are the same being Satan is about half as responsible as God for the suffering inflicted on Job and the pointless and extremely cruel deaths of his family, friends, livestock and servants/slaves Apart from that Satan seems a pretty cool guy
>>17653 >held slaves The mother fucker deserved it.
>>16283 We don't see any of that TBF
Like every villain is actually based if youre not some retarded npc: Sauron - based Sith - based Voldemort - based
>>17779 >Voldemort - based He represents a cross between the Nazis (ideologically) and the Nationalist IRA (action-wise), so wrong. >Sith - based It's the ironic moment of "only sith deal in absolutes" because the Sith and Jedi are not black and white in their ideologies or actions. >Sauron - based Ah yes, I too have read the Last Ringbearer >>3331
>>17778 >>17789 https://youtu.be/q-ijGEjZXmE >Sauron is Tolkien's unconscious response to Nietzsche Ubermensch
>>17789 >The last ringbearer Bear in mind that the Lord of the rings is written from the perspective of the Hobbits. Who have no interest in the wider conflict other than saving their home.
>>17792 What does this have to do with 17778?
>>17796 Oops meant >>17779
>>17779 >Sith >Based How? Or rather, which sith? Though I'd argue they are all cringe. Jedi are bad as well due to their dogma and tendency to stagnate, but sith are just shit. >Old Sith Literal crabs in a bucket ancaps. They would only get their shit together when either a) an significantlly more powerful sith that they couldn't drag down emerges and unites the others like Gengis Khan, or b) theybare near exrinction so one of the remaining ones rallied power around him. And even when they actually were powerful their sole goal was just to gorge themselves on material excess and please their egos as much as possible, literal porkies. >New Sith Less cringe because they at least got their act together and due to the rule of two can ensure far greater power in their hands. Goals are arguablly even worse than the old sith. While those where just egotistical ogres, these ones are solely moved by wanting to end entropy for themselves, which if I recal actually lead to them physically fucking up the galaxy. So not just porkies... silicon valley IT porkies that want to live forever. Tge only good "sith" are people like Dooku the based nazbol, who pragmatically use the dark side, but not to gorge themselves and please their egoes, but to bring a wider collective boon. I think Revan is also like that, but I don't recal a lot about him.
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>>17628 >Entropy is the best <No Prometheus is the best. Without him we would be still suck in the stone age.
>>17799 I havent read the EU because SW is cringe but Second trilogy is them ending the retarded priest Jedi caste as a necessary obstacle in their own self overcoming. Based nietzschean transhumanists. The rebels can get fucked for all i care.
>>17799 >Goals are arguablly even worse than the old sith Depends on the individual sith, plageious wanted to literally create a cybersyn planned economy which would so decisively end all strife that the jedi would be unneeded as mediators and eventually just would disband. others wanted to extend access to the force to all beings (with the caveat of making them adhere to the sith code of course), but then you had palpetine who was palpetine. >I think Revan is also like that, but I don't recal a lot about him. Revan pragmatically adopted the dark side and formed his sith empire because after the lackluster preformance of the republic in the mandalorian wars he knew there was no way they could beat the oncoming sith empire under valkoryian, who was like palpetine but worse, literally ate whole planets to sustain his life-force.
>>17897 >Second trilogy D-do you mean the Disney Sequels? Are you alright in the head? >Nietzsche is based No >Transhumanism is good I don't know where you see that in Disney Sequels, but no, transhumanism is almost always an easy set up for cyberpunk tier dystopia.
>>12075 LITERALLY. the protagonist is an actual CIA agent meddling in foreign elections. the movie is just one giant neocon propaganda film made for black people.
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>>17793 And the Hobbits are based on rural Englishmen, who don't like changes in their lives.
>>17912 I think he means the prequels you dolt.
>>17793 >>17923 The Hobbit and LotR are canonically written by the protagonists after the fact. Looking at the prose from that light, it's likely that the enemy factions are being described especially unfavorably, and the hobbits come across pretty racist.
>>17927 >Prequels I hope so. Still doesn't make the transhumanism or Nietzsche ideology a good thing. LARPing ironically about the Empire is one thing, but it's not actually based See >>13275 >>12516
>>12070 https://youtu.be/3q6V_YtQ0pY the old Planet of the Apes movies all had pretty good villains, most with justifiable motives to boot
>>17946 It's funny how Tolkien implies that if an orc actually manages to stop being evil, he simply becomes an Elf again. The concept of a purely evil race is certainly an aspect Tolkien himself struggled with.
>>17983 While true, at the same time, Tolkien's dogmatic race views IN THE STORY are permissible because A) he did not share this in his real-world view of other human races B) Orcs and Elves are beings created by gods, who unlike mortal people can be pure evil and embody metaphysical concepts (evil and good).
>>17983 Doesn't the setting have orcs that just do their own thing and aren't loyal to Sauron at all? Just like how there are men who serve Sauron and men who don't. >>17996 >>17983 Yeah, it's fine to posit a setting where there are different races who have certain innate qualities. Consider for instance a science fiction story where humans have been genetically engineered into a caste system with effectively different species. Christian theology also has ideas about good and evil non-human races which is relevant to Tolkien's interests and at least partly an inspiration for his setting.
>>17626 >burgers act like heroes as usual >they get assblasted by a fucking nuke as a result COD4 was based.
>>18003 >a science fiction story where humans have been genetically engineered into a caste system with effectively different species. Like in In A New World?
>>17983 Yeah he changed the origin of orcs to corrupted men instead of elves but was unable to rewrite the Silmarillion before he died. http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Orcs Look under origin.
>>17996 Orcs are Elves who are fucked, because they had to listen to Tolkien's version of Justin Bieber all day every day. The entire army of darkness were a bunch of Beliebers really, who followed a fool who thought he is the hottest shit ever. He was the favourite of Eru of course and had more leeway than the other 14. He wasn't even tied down by marriage like the others. I believe Melkor is Eru himself who after getting banned actually found the Flame Imperishable, creating a stable time loop.
>>18003 Consider that Sauron is just a mere Lieutenant to Melkor and a legit order-obsessed turboautist to boot. The reason he defected in the fist place was because of the lack of the order. It fitted with the theme Tolkien tried to make with technological progress. Sauron was a servant of Aulë the Smith. While he as an inventor has good intentions, it can cause bad side effects, like the clockwork brained Sauron. Of note is also that Saruman was also a clockwork brained servant of Aulë and Aulë also created the clockwork brained Dwarves, whom Tolkien intended to be evil as well until he had a change of heart, but whose element you can still observe in the Silmarillon. Even Tolkien made fun of him (and artificial languages) for creating the Dark Speech which the Orcs didn't bother to pick up. Aside from seething with evil, it was really inferior, and this was intentional on Tolkiens part.
Killian from Spies in Disguise DNW
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>>18004 >>17626 Assad's speech during the "coup" <Today, we rise again as one nation, in the face of betrayal and corruption! <We all trusted this man to deliver our great nation to a new era of prosperity. <But like our monarchy before the Revolution, he has been colluding with the West with only self interest at heart! <Collusion breeds slavery! And we shall not be enslaved! <The time has come to show our true strength. They underestimate our resolve. Let us show that we do not fear them. <As one people, we shall free our brethren from the yoke of foreign oppression! <Our armies are strong, and our cause is just. <As I speak, our armies are nearing their objectives, by which we will restore the independence of a once great nation. <Our noble crusade has begun. <Just as they lay waste to our country, we shall lay waste to theirs. <This is how it begins. <[shoots western puppet in the face] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ajr_XayCA_w Also his movement's banner looks pretty based.
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>sees the hivemind as the next stage of evolution and consciousness >stops typical human parasitical and capitalist behavior (asteroid mining) >gets a bad rap because the nobel goal's method was gruesome Necromorphs are comrades.
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Not really a villain but a movie Song of the South It's not that he's a jovial free man, it's that for some reason people kept spreading this rumor that the movie romanticizes Civil War era America and makes slavery "seem not so bad." The film takes place post civil war, there are no slaves, only sharecroppers. The idea that it glorifies slavery is a misconception caused by an erroneous report given by the NAACP's executive secretary, who had not even seen the film at the time of writing the report. Most of the opposition to the film at the time of it's release came from northerners and Californians who had a questionable understanding of the South and probably thought that everything South of the Mason-Dixon line was racist hicks and cousin incest. Again that's the misconception that's been spread, mostly because it's a case of "since no one in America has an easy way to seeing the movie the urban legends end up overwriting what the movie is really about". If anything though Song of the South was the kind of movie that would have angered conservatives of its time simply for having a black actor who wasn't portrayed as a bootlicking slave or angry savage. You wanna know the whole movie? The kids in the movie literally all gather around Uncle Remus to here him tell traditional African-American stories about Brer Rabbit. The whole point of the film and the book (yes, like all Classic era Disney animation, it was based on a book) was to share the oral traditions of the post Civil War freedmen. It's even implied that the main kid's dad is an anti-racism newspaper editor and it's not just white kids listening to his stories. To quote someone else's comment quoting Lindsay Ellis: "Song of the South promotes the negative stereotype that black people are boring."; it's not as racist as the legends say, but it's also not a very interesting movie compared to better works like Disney's American Legends. I saw some people theorizing that those things combine are why it hasn't ever been re-released; the possible fallout for something so mediocre and memed about just isn't worth it for Disney. I personally think it should just be on Disney+ with the same insensitivity warning that's on several other things, but I doubt it will ever happen.' It's interesting to note that James Baskett was the first African-American actor to receive an Academy Award for his "able and heart-warming characterization of Uncle Remus in 'Song of the South,' friend and storyteller to the children of the world." Song of the South should not be hidden from public viewing (I mean you can watch The Birth of a Nation on multiple streaming platforms, including for Free with Amazon Prime video) and people should view it before making assumptions. >Inb4 "muh racism" or "Disney-fag" This has nothing to do with 'defending' Disney or 'racism' but with the merits of the movie itself. https://www.songofthesouth.net/movie/biographies/baskett.html
>>17626 The fact that every villain in modern burger media is someone explicitly fighting for liberation from western imperialism let’s you know how spiritually and mentally corrupted and twisted burgers truly are. This is like, imagine the Nazis won WWII and decades later made video games about slaughtering entire cities of wicked Jews plotting to nuke the Reich Such fucking despicable trash, it’s like everything that comes out of Burgerstan is designed to be utterly detestable to anyone with a semblance of a conscience.
>>18598 Now that goodguy Biden is back, can't wait for the second wave of Homeland-esque CIA whitewashing shows.
>>18607 I can smell the glowfaggotry coming over the horizon.
>>18598 Name some examples.
>>18598 Now that I think of it, I don't think popular US media has anyone like Chirico Cuvie from Armored Trooper that was a fascist mech ace with PTSD that became a one man army to kill his former fascist comrades to deal with said PTSD. Or Crinn Cashim from Dougram that was the son of the a colonial governor that became a rebel mech ace once he learned his farther was an asshole imperialists that committed a military coup against the local goverment.
>>18778 Almost every American war film that isn’t about WWII Almost every American action hero film Just about every glownîgger show The entire COD series for the most part
>>19164 Weren't both of those shows directed by the same guy?
> Madara Uchiha cast the Infinite Tsukuyomi upon the world in an attempt to bring an end to all conflicts. >Garyō believed that Madara's goals were admirable and could be achieved through different means. >In Garyō's view, the conflicts that Madara wanted to end were caused by money: money created inequality, bringing happiness to those with money and unhappiness to those without it. >In order to free the world from money's influence, Garyō formed the Ryūha Armament Alliance. In theory this dude is based, unfortunately, because the Japanese apparently can't write revolutionaries, they way they go about it is terrorism of Land of Waves... a literal backwater that has comparatively little strategic, economic or political value, and would be easier to convert into followers than bother with unnecessary murders and terrorism against the proletariat and peasantry. https://naruto.fandom.com/wiki/Ry%C5%ABha_Armament_Alliance https://naruto.fandom.com/wiki/Gary%C5%8D
>>19226 It's not from Boruto you retard, it's from the Kakashi Hiden novel which, like all the Hiden novels was illustrated and overseen by Kishimoto.
>>12202 Kel'Thuzad is a bitch, hes my pet. its very hard to take seriously the lore of a boss once you can have them as a pokemon
>>12142 >Christopher "I stabbed a Nazi in the chest so I know what being stabbed sounds like Peter" Lee I remember being like 11, me and my dad watching the 6 hour behind the scenes lotr dvds and that coming up. its stuck with me to this day, hes so fucking badass.
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Was Kane a based Posadist? >Anti-imperalist >lived multiple times >brought aliens to earth by tricking GDI into using the ion cannon on the liquid T bom


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