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/fit/ general Anonymous Comrade 03/17/2020 (Tue) 16:16:12 No. 7004
Ask your /fit/ related questions here. how do i overcome the wall? i'v been working out for almost a year now, gained about 33lbs mostly muscles. i have no made any gain in the past 4 months now despite woring out and eating the same way. how do i get past this and gain muscles again?
>>12096 is it bad I want a dominant twink bf if im a 80 kilos bearmode?
>>13291 >80kg >bearmode lmao post body.
>>13289 Bruh not to put you down but he's a professional athlete, that means he's on steroids. You'll never look like him no matter how much you train. You can still look pretty good and the training regiment would be good if you can pull it off, but you need to throw in dips, pull ups and squats too.
>>13341 >post body no
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>>13289 >thinking you'll get to look like that by doing pushups and crunches >thinking all the jacked guys promoting bodyweight routines aren't on roids and lifting weights I'm sorry you fell for this meme, but don't worry we're here to help.
>>13289 >doing loads of an exercise to get stronk More like work up to 5x5 one-arm decline pushups or have someone sit on your shoulders. Also crunches are shit and bad for your posture. If you do any ab movment like that balance it with supermans. >>13126 >I know less about bodyweight exercises, but the focus should be to train until failure every time and climb up into the hundreds of repetitions with push ups, squats, dips etc. No, you are training for different goals if you do that. That is basically doing calisthenics/cardio. If you want to use body weight exercises you need to increase the resistance by doing harder movements, e.g. regular pull ups to wide pull ups to archer pull ups to one-arm pull ups.
>>13352 >No, you are training for different goals if you do that. That is basically doing calisthenics/cardio. If you want to use body weight exercises you need to increase the resistance by doing harder movements, e.g. regular pull ups to wide pull ups to archer pull ups to one-arm pull ups. I wasn't saying against that but you are right. With bodyweight stuff the focus should be making as large and wide of range of movements as possible, many types of different variations. In this regard I think bodyweight exercises are superior to weightlifting because they are capable of targeting more diverse muscle groups. I still stand by what I said, it is just that what I said is useless if you do not include all kinds of variations to these bodyweight exercises. during corona I managed to actually grow my bench press by doing dips and 5-6 different kinds of push ups at home. this was still a pretty intense chest exercise for me because I am 110kg, and bodyweight exercises actually make me strain. I was very surprised when I actually saw my strength grow.
>>13368 The other advantage of body weight is that you usually engage more support/stabilizing muscles than if you lift weights and especially if you use machines. But it's not ideal. It would be a good supplement to lifting real weights though. Honestly, I only got into bodyweight because my area's gym is so shit that if I put all the plates on the bar they weigh less than I do. If I just do handstand pushups it's more weight than trying to overhead press everything they have. >during corona I managed to actually grow my bench press by doing dips and 5-6 different kinds of push ups at home. This is something people tend to forget - your muscles are combinations of a bunch of different fibers and smaller muscles, and varying your routine is important to rounding out the whole muscle group. Like you noticed it comes in handy later when doing "normal" lifts because you can draw on the more obscure muscle to help you.
>>13351 >gyms closed in NY for the foreseeable future ah well guess i'll just be skinny for another year
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I miss going to the gym so much bros, I have kettlebells but... it's just not the same.
>>13412 I know that feel bro. I had to move training to the shitty public gym with logs, concrete weights & metal bars but it just isn't heavy enough, I don't even get DOMS.
>>13371 >Honestly, I only got into bodyweight because my area's gym is so shit that if I put all the plates on the bar they weigh less than I do. If I just do handstand pushups it's more weight than trying to overhead press everything they have. That's fucking cursed, what sort of gym is that? Planet fitness or some sort of womans gym?
>>13371 Also I agree with everything you said. My normal routine is a mix of bodyweight stuff and weightlifting but I focus more on weightlifting. Machines are a trash waste of time, me and my buddy who never do machines went to a big city gym in the center and managed to 10-12 rep all the machines on their biggest difficulty, it is such a meme. The leg press is maybe the only exception but squats are still better because they are safer.
>>13422 Some local small chain that charges $50 a month and is equipped with those single-movement machines and a bunch of cardio equipment. They don't even have a squat rack or bench, just a smith machine. They didn't even originally have a bar. Basically it's a place for suburbanite retards to waste money larping as bodybuilders.
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Guy from my gym that just had heart surgery. Only eats kimchi and rice. No fap and 14 hours of sleep per day. Idk I think juicy.
>>13464 I change my mind Guy is natty and just eats organic kimchi made exclusively from napa cabbage grown and hand-harvested by the virgin priestesses in the trenbolone-rich volcanic soils of Mt Paektu. Here you see him with some of the priestesses who upskilled to dietitians after joining the army.
>>13464 14 hours of sleep a day will do that to you.
>>13424 the worst part is those gyms pull the most money so they are gobbling up the classical gyms.
Are we all in agreement here that roids are bourgeois decadence and the bodybuilder asthetic is just capitalist realism? Or are there porkies on dianabol here?
Bros. How can i stop being a fatass
>>13789 read the sticky on /fit/
>>13789 either go keto or do one meal a day cut sugary shit exercise that's it. anything else other than eating less is a cope, even exercise won't help if you don't eat less.
>>13784 extremely cringe take, especially since the capitalist realist overman is the skinnyfat soy bugman. Bodybuilders are a thing of modernism, not pomo cap.realism. That being said it is just taking the easy route and it fucks your health so you shouldn't do it, if you aren't going to the top (strongman, olympics) roids are cringe and just taking the lazy route. It is excusable for really aesthetic bodybuilding like arnie as well. Roids are bad but your argument is cringe and soy.
>>13784 >he doesn't want to be a Soviet super soldier Pathetic.
>>13789 Count calories/good dieting, exercise, general good health practices (ex: consistent sleep schedule)
Bros how much do you really lift for others/to get chicks vs for yourself? I quit working out after really introspecting and realizing I was just doing it for the chicks and that my efforts would be better spent making money for surgery or something. I even asked my gf if she gives a shit about bodies vs face and she concurred that face matters more. So now I took the doomerpill and quit the aspects of working out for muscles and just train for fitness/sports only.
>>13797 it helps with my adhd
>>13797 These are very shallow reasons. Comrades should lift in preparation for the world revolution. How can we overthrow capitalism while being physically and mentally weak? Proper lifting improves both your body's health and your pscyhe's health.
>>13797 >>13799 both reasons are cringe. you ought to exercise to become an overman, the best possible version of you. if you don't have something serious & time consuming to focus your time on like studying to become a doctor there is no excuse not to train. You can reach both your physical and mental apex, there is no reason why one should prevent the other.
>>13797 and getting surgery is extra cringe bourgie shit.
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>>13797 I lift because it feels good and it's healthy.
>>13784 roids fuck up your testicles lmao, Not worth it especially since the ideal male form to women is either dad bod (vast majority) or ottermode (most of the rest of the small minority, only a tiny sliver of women are not disgusted by guys that are shredded veiny bodybuilder roids mode) >>13795 >he doesn't want to have healthy sperm to father children with NGMI
>>13833 >lifting for women lmao
>>13797 I'm Autistic so it's not like I'm gonna get girls anyway. Pretty much riding the line between strength and looks. Lifting has given me so much already, so motivation isn't really a factor anymore. I do it because I enjoy it, and the slow, upward crawl of kilos is enough for me.
>>13841 Why do bodybuilders always resort to this cop out after they get called out on lifting solely for women? If you are training for big muscles/aesthetics then you are doing it for others and vanity/looks. Strength doesn’t show. So either you lift for fitness and barely look like you lift, or you train for aesthetics and impressing others. Building muscle is really just pure vanity/impressing women. Strength does not equal muscle
>>13864 And you have to be deluded like the bodybuilding forum to think women even prefer that roided out bald spray tan look. Women would rather have a skinnyfit guy with hair and a nice face
broke: lifting for women woke: lifting for gay men bespoke: lifting for yourself
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>>13864 >Strength doesn't show lmao, not even a bodybuilder. Why are leftist so fucking cringe and cope instead of fessing up to being dyels,you ought to learn from rightoids and alternative types instead of whining and making excuses. Strength does equal muscle, if you didn't look like shit or were scrawny you wouldn't even be posting this. >If you are training for big muscles/aesthetics then you are doing it for others and vanity/looks. For vanity sure but that doesn't imply training for others, I train to uplift myself both in strength and appearance and I don't factor into this what is aesthetic to other people. I don't even roid, your arguments are just so fucking cringe and embarassing. Post body and lifts so I can laugh at you.
>>13870 Also up until COVID I've worked a physical job my whole life, and I can tell you that people saying 'strength doesn't show' is either a sign of an amateur lifter or a COPE. Gym training both translated into easier work shifts for me and aesthetics and people around me noticed.
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>>13870 >that fucking JUST tier dirty mane/long hair Evola worshipping Kali Yuga fanatic detected
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>>13870 Not him but >Strength does equal muscle Any martial artist worth their salt will tell you that excess muscle-building is a handicap. Not only is it short-term and have low stamina compared to lean-muscle but it also is vulnerable, as anyone who has ever been charlie-horsed can tell you. >leftist fucking cringe Because we don't think being Mr.Balloon arms is based? Look at Greek Olympic statues and art, they're muscled, but not puffed up roid-users. >vanity <that doesn't imply training for others That's a contradictive statement. If you;re doing it for others in the first place and not some side benefit then you're doing it wrong. >>13871 Nigga I am a wiry person, I look fairly thin, but I can lift a small steel fridge up 4 long-ass flights of stairs of an old studio and go back for more with ease. I also did plenty of heavy lifting on a ship, and anything I couldn't do by myself was something that required collective effort in the first place (for example raising the anchor). That was shit I did as a teenager.
>>13870 >Strength does equal muscle, if you didn't look like shit or were scrawny you wouldn't even be posting this. No, it literally doesn’t. You can be 130 lbs and stronger than someone 255 lbs. There’s a difference between relative strength and absolute strength. Strength is training the motor neurons to operate at a higher capacity. It’s training your nervous system vs muscular hypertrophy and getting needlessly larger. >For vanity sure but that doesn't imply training for others Yes it does, vanity can’t be had without a social context. You can’t be vain if you don’t know what societal beauty standards are. It’s like hegel you embroiled in the volksgeist of your time. Before the roided look was fashionable being vain could mean being a literal fatty. >I don't even roid, your arguments are just so fucking cringe and embarassing. Post body and lifts so I can laugh at you. Whatever muchacho. You look big yes, but you have a lot of bodyfat. What I’m trying to say is without roids you cant get a remarkably muscular/lean look that would turn heads on the street, especially when shirted up. Bodybuilders take ephedra and all sorts of drugs to lean out as well. Also yes I am scrawny atm but it’s because I’ve given up on my meal plan, it’s a waste of time and my energy. Especially since I’ve gotten to the core of why I was trying to get muscles and realized it was for pure vanity. I’ve trained martial arts for 12 years now. I’ve been big and skinny, muscle is gained and lost just as easily when people stop following their diet/ roid plan. As for lifts, I do 2 finger pushups, headstand pushups, gymnastic exercises, free weights etc. I dont train like a bodybuilder. <The point is people should really admit to themselves what their goal is even if it’s really is just aesthetics. I’m just trying to save people time and energy that could be poured into other things and setting up realistic expectations. Which honest goals people have can mean vastly different training plans. I enjoy training purely for fitness, I never enjoyed the nutrition aspect so I quit it because I don’t need bigger muscles to be fit.
>>13870 Also if you still don’t understand the concept of relative strength (strength proportional to your own bodyweight), take a look at this guy. Rockclimbers have extremely high strength to bodyweight ratios. This is his earlier vid, but this dude is like 60 now and can still do the same stuff. Real strength outlasts muscle, muscle goes with age because of testosterone levels dropping. https://youtu.be/TM_-UGZokOU
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So much COPE in this thread, let us go one by one >>13876 Evola is a cringe, nice projections. I only read marxists and hegelians. Now post body. >>13959 yes yes because every person that isn't a twinky runt has to look like that synthol infused roidmonkey, your insecurities and projections are coming trough. Yes Clarence Kennedy moving around 300 kg looks exactly like him. There are the two genders, you can either be twink femboy or a synthol roidmonkey with no functional strength. >If you;re doing it for others in the first place and not some side benefit then you're doing it wrong. I agree completely. I mainly lift weights & do BW exercises for strength but I also lift for aesthetics, if you aren't a bloatlord or auswitz your gains will be visible after a year or so of training, if you aren't using meme exercises and meme weights. >I-I carried a small steel fridge up 4 long ass flights of stairs! >strong lmao >>13966 >No, it literally doesn’t. You can be 130 lbs and stronger than someone 255 lbs. That depends on your muscle to bodyfat ratio, but you can absolutely be stronger than some 255lb lardass. >Strength is training the motor neurons to operate at a higher capacity. It’s training your nervous system vs muscular hypertrophy and getting needlessly larger. You are oversimplifying it. it is down to training your CNS to better cope with the stress you are putting on it but it is in a large part down to damaging and rebuilding your muscles, strengthening your joints and sinew. If it was such as you said, that it was only training your CNS that mattered to strength (although I'd say 50% of your actual strength is down to it) your muscles, sinew and bones would snap as they have not been getting stronger as well. You can actually see this with dumb roiders because something like this happens, their muscles develop faster than their joints and sinew can keep up with their progressive overload and then their muscles curl up like a curtain or they snap their shit. Also, I never talked anything about hyperthrophy, as I said I am not a bodybuilder, but saying strength=size/muscle is such a fucking cope and it shows you are an amateur or have a shit body. I never do over 5 reps on anything other than bodyweight exercises, most of my lifts are in the 3-5 rep range. Whatever muchacho. You look big yes, but you have a lot of bodyfat. What I’m trying to say is without roids you cant get a remarkably muscular/lean look that would turn heads on the street, especially when shirted up. Bodybuilders take ephedra and all sorts of drugs to lean out as well. Absolutely, I am far from lean. I'd say I am like 20% bodyfat currently, however saying you can't be big and lean is a cope. My best friend who also lifts and is of similar strength to me is leaner than me and looks huge, although of course he is a lower weight. He is the picture with the black bar. >>13968 That is a very bad example for a couple of reasons, you ought to have gave me an example of a scrawny kid lifting 200kg off the ground as the examples exist on the internet, while this mans feat of strength and athleticism is impressive it is far easier to achieve at his bodyweight, he is obviously a very lightweight small individual which makes it easier to lift himself up. You can argue that he is more functional because he is light enough that he can move himself about and I would agree, but the example you gave is very relative to his weight, it contradicts your argument. It is the same with ~60kg people doing hundreds of reps on bodyweight exercises, they have less to lift and achieve strength to do so quicker. It would be impressive if you posted a scrawny kid lifting a massive weight or a 120kg+ fatass doing a hundred pull ups or something, or climbing on the ceiling as he is doing.
>>13959 also >Any martial artist worth their salt will tell you that excess muscle-building is a handicap. Did it occur to you that I do not train strength to fight? Tyson Fury is definitely stronger than the average person but that is not what he trains for, I might be stronger than him in absolute terms even, but he throws a hundred times stronger punch than me. You can train strength in other uses and not just fighting, if I was training to fight I'd be doing more cardio than just running once a week, I'd be conditioning all the time, and I'd stop training as hard for strength gains and train explosiveness in movement more, probably slim down for mobility as well. Strength training also doesn't translate into fighting or compensate for fighting skill, you can still get your ass beat no matter how big you are if you don't know what you are doing. Also the picture I posted above, the weightlifter clarence kennedy himself stays at 100kg or less bodyweight at all times because he becomes inflexible over it, yet even at 100kg he is not some caricature of a baloon animal you posted to make yourself feel better. I would even bet money to say that kennedy is higher bodyweight than the synthol freak you posted.
lads my forearms are fucked, i look like a recovering famine victim. only have two 9.5kg dumbbells at home, any good routines to maximise my gains? also is working out at night healthy? i only ever seem to have energy to work out at like 1 AM
>>13984 You should aim to relax your muscles and sleep after lifting for gains since that's when muscle grows
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>>13985 Don't listen to him, you are still a newbie and should be training all the time, just make sure you get 7-8 hours of sleep a day. >>13983 do inward grip pull ups and deadhangs and lift rocks unironically. Find the heaviest rocks you can still lift and leverage them to your chest or onto your shoulder, if you aren't struggling to do so the rock isn't heavy enough. Keep a good posture to not fuck up your back. I train with a 80kg rock but I've been training for a long time, I saw my forearms explode when I started training with a rock, same goes for grip strength. Nothing in the gym works like a rock. You can also bearhug it so you have to hold it with your core, biceps and forearms and carry it. Don't ahve a good picture of me flexing but have pic related.
>>13981 > twinky runt <If you're not muscled AF that means you're a twink Do you just throw ad hom around for shits and giggles? The level of ignorance regarding body-types and muscular strength training >lmao <steel fridge weighs the same weight as a person, awkward AF to carry compared to a barbell <in my teens >hurr ur weak Ok retard >your insecurities and projections are coming trough I'm sorry when did farmwork come into this? Insecurities? Ok LOL. Look at any martial artist's work out, excessive muscle building is more of a hindrance than a help, unless your job is literally carrying heavy weights all day and nothing else. which even for industrial labour is not true for most workers (roofing for example). >Clarence Kennedy moving around 300 kg looks exactly like him If you're implying that clarence kennedy is 100% no-steroids I'm going to laugh. Your body is well muscled, I'll give you that, but A) Your muscle definition isn't close to Kennedy's and I doubt you use roids B) People have different muscle types. Look at Emelianenko, the guy has little visible muscle definition, just sheer body mass. Sure he does weights and training, but not nearly as much as a body builder, and as a result he's a fucking beast in the ring, even in his older years. >>13983 >Did it occur to you that I do not train strength to fight? Sure it did, but if you're training for yourself and your own benefit, it would be more useful to be able to have reasonable strength and also be able to fight well thean enormous strength that gets useless if someone faster than you knows how to hit right. >he is not some caricature of a baloon animal you posted to make yourself feel better You missed the point entirely if that's what you assumed > kennedy is higher bodyweight than the synthol freak No shit, you're missing the point, Dios mio.
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>>14235 Clarence is obviously on roids because he competes professionally, you can see when he is on cycle and off cycle but he is not your typical roidmonkey from the gym, he is not an example of a juicehead as you used. >Emelianenko Yeah basically everything you said. He has a lot of muscle mass though, it is just not visible because he got fat for mass & to pass for heavyweight category. He doesn't need that much strength (in weight) but he needs that much mass in weight. My friend, who I posted above, was actually in an interesting predicament. He was the weight of a heavy category but not the 'mass', he would actually be at a disadvantage despite his relatively high bodyweight at the time. >Sure it did, but if you're training for yourself and your own benefit, it would be more useful to be able to have reasonable strength and also be able to fight well thean enormous strength that gets useless if someone faster than you knows how to hit right. I do strong man exercises because I want to be a strong man. It helped me out on multiple occasions, it just didn't make much of a difference in a fight. It made any physical job I did trivial and allowed me to do some two man work on my own, and overall I became healthier for it, I've managed to do some work on the farm that the farmers couldn't complete without a tractor that had to be hauled from another village, and I've managed to fix bent metal without any tools for people, just because I had happened to be there that day. I think that strength correlates with muscle mass, and this is the biggest thing that irks me with your posts. In an absolute sense, unless you are a skeleton, your strength will be visible apart from just getting defined if you train long enough with enough strain. Saying that this isn't this is in my opinion a crab in a bucket mentality, that it can't be achieved, or whittling all of it down to bodybuilding. It's just cringe. If you train long enough and exert yourself more over time your muscles can grow and they can grow significantly, a natty grown man can lift 300kg lean, and this can be seen on his body.

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