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Anonymous Comrade 03/05/2020 (Thu) 22:45:24 No. 6696
Is Steven Universe liberal? I think it is because it propagates the notion that you can solve issues in society by talk no jutsu.
>>12525 The Muppets and Rocky and Bullwinkle (which I grew up with) have mature themes, but with a certain measure of what to include that would make sense to children, and what to leave for later ages. You didn't see unsubtle gender stuff, and sexual innuendos were meant to make the adults laugh while going over the kids' heads. Modern Sesame street has been dabbling into this whole gender stuff and you can see the kids on the show are fucking confused. Its like with Drag Queens going to schools, the kids just get weirded out by the "the strange clown man-lady".
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>>12532 Yeah, that's just a question of writing ability. A good writer, even given a restrictive mandate like "make a 30-minute toy commercial", can still churn out excellent, deeply nuanced television suited to many audiences and repeat viewing. A hack writer, even given amazing grants like "write a mature boundary-pushing story", will still produce shallow garbage that looks down at its audience. I did consider naming edutainment stuff like old Sesame Street or Beakman's World as examples too, but thought maybe they were a bit too directly targeted at young children for other audiences (especially the infamously insecure teenage audience) to both stumble on and admit to watching, compared to the two shows I mentioned.
>>12536 Yes, this is certainly something I agree with, however while themes about good and evil can be done maturely even for children, themes about sexuality are much harder and rather unnecessary. Children, no matter what liberals say, do not understand sexuality and are not interested in it. At age 5 I was of the impression that kissing on the lips is what lead to pregnancy. At age 8 I thought girls were gross. At age 12 I was only beginning to become sexually awake, and this was generally the rule for all of my peers. Its the reason why under-age sex is illegal - pre-teens and younger have no understanding of this kind of thing,
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>>12537 True, though that doesn't preclude the use of themes that fly over childrens' heads, without beating anyone over the head.
>>12539 > that doesn't preclude the use of themes that fly over childrens' heads, without beating anyone over the head. True, but that's what differentiates things like crossdressing gags in old cartoons and unironic crossdress in modern ones.
>>12540 I think there's an additional wrinkle in the case of shows such as SU, which (so far as I can tell from the marketing) aren't targeted any lower than middleschoolers at minimum. Since sex (or at least romance) is on the menu, this raises the question of writing such material without choking the show to death. As the discussion of AtLA vs. AtLoK upthread demonstrates, this can either be something that develops naturally from well rounded characterization, or something that feels shoehorned and boring regardless of if it was part of the earliest conceptions of the story.
>>12631 >marketing up SU was being watched by a literal elementary school neighbor's kid. She was so obsessed with the show she decided to imitate them and became obsessed with gender politics when she got into highschool last I saw her (after all the show has been since 2013). That shit was airing on CN and that content was always for kids of 12 and under. Besides, you think most parents who work all the time have any time to moderate what their kid sees? They just put up youtube kids or netflix or CN and let everything play. Even if you claim its not aimed at kids, the style is so simplistically cartoonish that it lends itself to that exact demographic, sort of how Rick and Morty does before parents hear the swearing. >sex (or at least romance) is on the menu, this raises the question of writing such material without choking the show to death. Indeed, that is appropriate and possible IN a show, but it has to progress naturally (as in ATLA). Steven Universe just comes off as "hey lets just jump your bones cause funsies!" which A) makes sex utterly casual (which is a bad thing to teach children considering that sex is an adult decision often with consequences) B) makes the idea of growing a relationship meaningless They try to fix this with the whole Garnet situation but it just comes off as cringe. >can either be something that develops naturally from well rounded characterization, or something that feels shoehorned and boring regardless of if it was part of the earliest conceptions of the story. That is certainly true.
>Is Steven Universe liberal? I cannot for the life of me figure out how the fuck can anyone actually need to fucking ask that question. I mean how dense can OP be? If its CalArts it's liberalism made into an artform. Then you watch the actual show and yeah it just affirms it.
>>12639 >If its CalArts it's liberalism made into an artform. how the fuck is adventure time or gravity falls "liberalism"?
>>12640 Gravity Falls still has a lot of inane dumbassery but its decent... its also a massive outlier in terms of shows, the only other of similar type is Gumball, and with both shows what benefits them is that they expand on the animation so that not everything is toonboom. Also Gravity Falls was years ago, every other toonboom cartoon is full of liberal shit or just plain dumbassery. Adventure Time is just over-rated shite that people can't get over because it was still new enough that people accepted it.
>>12507 Reminder that a trans woman made a 2 hour long video tearing Steven Universe apart, see first link in >>9900
>>12642 >Gravity Falls still has a lot of inane dumbassery but its decent... Hmph! I'm willing to defend it as a truly exceptional 8/10 show, genuinely brilliant. >what benefits them is that they expand on the animation so that not everything is toonboom I think what helped GF the most, in terms of visuals, was its extremely robust design phase. Like I said upthread, the amount of symbolism and thematic cohesion squeezed into the design of every character, item, and background, was phenomenal. It's such a shame all that had to be squeezed through the samey and inexpressive lens of Calarts toddlerscribbles by the actual animators. >Also Gravity Falls was years ago Trudat, though there have been (excellent) sequel comics after it failed to get more seasons.
>>12646 >the amount of symbolism and thematic cohesion squeezed into the design of every character, item, and background, was phenomenal. It's such a shame all that had to be squeezed through the samey and inexpressive lens of Calarts toddlerscribbles by the actual animators. Yep >there have been (excellent) sequel comics after it failed to get more seasons. Yep, /co/ saw to that.
>>6701 >the white savior meme where native earthlings was saved by a noble alien and would have died otherwise. It's not a white saviour meme it is a generic colonial saviour meme. the former implies that only whites were colonial... which is wrong. Also I mean they would of died otherwise... because of a problem the gems created in the first place.
>>12676 The white savior trope is usually about a white person saving the natives from European society, so this doesn’t exactly disprove
>>12642 >Adventure Time is just over-rated shite that people can't get over because it was still new enough that people accepted it. Have you even watched it after the first season? I like it. It has a distinct style which changes practically every episode in the later seasons. I love the "James Baxter the Horse" because it's just so simple while also being distinct. >every other toonboom cartoon is full of liberal shit or just plain dumbassery. all capitalist media is liberal shit you faggot. That isn't a distinctive characteristic of these shows, it's just your conception of "the good old days" of liberal cartoons where the style looked like someone shat on a piece of paper and modeled it. I would take shitty little glitter shows over that
>>7074 I read that comic at a public library, shit, that was brutal, the collection beforehand was also messed up, and there was this cool comic where vader just kills a bunch of jedi in a duel, good times
>>7351 god fuck me, diverse, disney kept the gays outta the way so they could sell to some other country, china I think, but given what I hear on this board, I dunno
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>>13207 >That isn't a distinctive characteristic of these shows, it's just your conception of "the good old days" of liberal cartoons Overt liberalism and general liberal themes are very fucking different you fucking newfag and that's not even true. Not being explicitly communist is not necessarily liberal ignoramus. But when your entire show is projecting gender-fluid bullshit constantly and with intention of "educating children about le sexuality" then your show is shitlib rubbish. >the style looked like someone shat on a piece of paper and modeled it Yeah no. Fucking Ren and Stimpy, a literal shitpost of a series was better than this lazy noodly garbage, which despite modern computer technology negating the issues of early animation, can't be bothered to fucking do proper layering or have consistent design. If you think Steven Retardverse or Teen Titans Go, or Thundercats Roar or Cadance is better than fucking Animaniacs or Darkwing Duck or Gargoyles or Real Ghostbusters, then you have no taste or understanding of animation and artstyle whatsoever. Nobody says you can't have goofy fucking designs or mature plot in your kids cartoons, but the past decade of media is made up of 90% garbage that has lax animation, trash story lines and shitty mass-produced artstyle. This compares poorly to the large amounts of good shows from the past which - even despite many being toy commercial cartoons - told good stories. In 10 years no-one is going to remember Adventure Time except with a "hey that weird show existed" but everyone remembers cartoons of the 90s, 80s and 2000s, they are iconic and people talk about them today on and on.
>>13245 Best animation is, of course, eastern bloc mature animated films. https://youtu.be/Zg3a5P8T6g0
>>13245 >Yeah no. Fucking Ren and Stimpy, a literal shitpost of a series was better than this lazy noodly garbage, which despite modern computer technology negating the issues of early animation, can't be bothered to fucking do proper layering or have consistent design. If you think Steven Retardverse or Teen Titans Go, or Thundercats Roar or Cadance is better than fucking Animaniacs or Darkwing Duck or Gargoyles or Real Ghostbusters, then you have no taste or understanding of animation and artstyle whatsoever. both are equally as shit. One is grotesque and uninteresting, the other is too simple and too flashy. >Nobody says you can't have goofy fucking designs or mature plot in your kids cartoons, but the past decade of media is made up of 90% garbage that has lax animation, trash story lines and shitty mass-produced artstyle. This compares poorly to the large amounts of good shows from the past which - even despite many being toy commercial cartoons - told good stories. In 10 years no-one is going to remember Adventure Time except with a "hey that weird show existed" but everyone remembers cartoons of the 90s, 80s and 2000s, they are iconic and people talk about them today on and on. Most shows of that era were made to sell toys/merchandise or other apparel. The 90s had good shows, don't get me wrong, but they still had simple art styles, examples being: Cat-dog, Rugrats, powerpuff girls, etc. Also it's funny that most prolific shows with a 'CalArts' style weren't even made by CalArts graduates. Ben Bocquelet, Rebecca Sugar, Chris Savino and Ian Jones Quarterly for example. Plus the "muh calarts" style shit is still fucking wrong in most cases. The main gripe is the character design, which although a good criticism, isn't a good basis for saying that modern shows are bad. Shows like OK KO, Regular Show and especially Gumball have vastly different art styles and animation styles, with Gumball using various different styles and mediums of animation. >But when your entire show is projecting gender-fluid bullshit constantly and with intention of "educating children about le sexuality" then your show is shitlib rubbish. I'd take that shit over art which looks like monkeys flinging shit over the screen such as in Ren and Stimpy you niggerfaggot.
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>>13248 >One is grotesque and uninteresting Grotesque? Yes, Uninteresting is a matter of opinion since some people find it funny or horrifying and thus entertaining. It is a kids cartoon after-all. Being harmlessly offensive is far better than harmfully PC. >Most shows of that era were made to sell toys/merchandise or other apparel 1) I mentioned that from the start 2) That's only true of the 80s. Federal legislature in the late 80s concerning advertising in kids content forced 90s and 2000s cartoons to stop using Pester Power as a selling method. 3) Doesn't fucking matter, Mighty Max was BASED on a toyline yet it was fucking awesome. >Cat-dog, Rugrats, powerpuff girls And then we had better animated and non-simplistic stuff like Gargoyles and Godzilla the Animated series and Extreme Ghostbusters. > it's funny that most prolific shows with a 'CalArts' style weren't even made by CalArts graduates TO use the phrase of another ex-cal Arts student, popular artists influence other artists. With things like Fairly Odd Parents, the designs were weird but detailed and with a unique style, but those shows died out and in came deviant-art caricatures of low-end cartoons of the 2000s like Teenage Robot and Mighty B. >OK KO OK KO and Gumball use the fluidity of their shows being random as fuck to fully let loose. However things like Cadance and Steven Uni don't do. They're stuck in their rut of PC-shit or brainless randomness, where loud noise and motion = 'humor'. Regular Show actually is more of a Rick and Morty type show and also revels in randomness and a cheap young adult-humor genre. This works as a lowbrow tv show for casul viewing (not kids), apply it anywhere else (like in Star Trek) and it becomes shit. > art which looks like monkeys flinging shit over the screen such as in Ren and Stimpy The niggerfaggot is you if you're saying that. Ren and Stimpy, as I said, were literal shitposts of their time. They still outdo Steven Universe despite being grotesque, because they're unique and insane and not plain and stupid.
>>13250 >Uninteresting is a matter of opinion since some people find it funny or horrifying and thus entertaining. In the same way that "some people" find fart jokes funny. >3) Doesn't fucking matter, Mighty Max was BASED on a toyline yet it was fucking awesome. outliers exist, most shows were still awful. Kind of like these days, no? >And then we had better animated and non-simplistic stuff like Gargoyles and Godzilla the Animated series and Extreme Ghostbusters. And we also had shows like Chowder and Avatar LA. Outliers exist, trend is still maintained. >OK KO and Gumball use the fluidity of their shows being random as fuck to fully let loose. However things like Cadance and Steven Uni don't do. They're stuck in their rut of PC-shit or brainless randomness, where loud noise and motion = 'humor'. I don't like Steven Uni either, trust me. But to say that its animation couldn't be beautiful at times is wrong (this was when actual good animators were brought on the shows, don't remember the episode when). The problems with steven universe was that the animation process was disorganized and messy. OK KO wasn't random, especially in the last season. It still had good animation still. >Regular Show actually is more of a Rick and Morty type show and also revels in randomness and a cheap young adult-humor genre. This works as a lowbrow tv show for casul viewing (not kids), apply it anywhere else (like in Star Trek) and it becomes shit. Regular show didn't work as a show because of the demographic in mind, true. But other than i don't find any problems with it. >apply it anywhere else (like in Star Trek) in the same way that you can't "apply" the humor of powerpuff girls to some random show made for marketing. This is a non-argument. >The niggerfaggot is you if you're saying that. Ren and Stimpy, as I said, were literal shitposts of their time. They still outdo Steven Universe despite being grotesque, because they're unique and insane and not plain and stupid. Shitposts which were viewed by kids. It was a grotesque shitshow which used pretty apparent sex & bodily humor while also being "random". It is practically the same thing as the shows you hate. At least steven universe tried to make a compelling story despite falling flat on its head, ren & stimpy was just cheap adult humor in the same vain as modern family guy.
>>13253 (me) Also, I just want to say this. Although I understand your point that most shows these days are shit or have a similar style, for the most part i prefer it over styles such as that of Ren & stimpy and Rocko's modern life. Even then I believe there should be variety. But this isn't a problem with these cartoonists or even these shows, it's a facet of the animation industry. It was economical before to make shows of the same ilk as your favorite nostalgia-driven liberalism, now it isn't.
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>>13253 >find fart jokes funny. And? It's a kid show, SNL which is supposed to be for adults hasn't been any better for years. Again, like I said, it's a shitpost of a cartoon. >outliers exist, most shows were still awful Wrong. Most shows were awesome. Sometimes stupid, sometimes smart, but awesome nontheless. > we also had shows like Chowder and Avatar LA Both are late 2000s cartoons, not 2010s. Shows like Clone Wars and Transformers Prime existed after and THEY are outliers. >OK KO wasn't random, especially in the last season I meant it style of story. It embraced the absurdism of the designs and essentially pulled a new looney toons in that regard. They used the animation to their advantage. >other than i don't find any problems with it Neither do I. >the humor of powerpuff girls to some random show made for marketing That is an utter nonsequitur. My point is that you can't combine such a cartoon style and then aim it at a demographic it shouldn't be aimed for. >It is practically the same thing as the shows you hate Nope, pic related. The background, details and animation were detailed and complex, not flat same-face with a "stretch mouth circle into wider circle" like today. The devil is in the details. >At least steven universe tried to make a compelling story Nope, it didn't try at all. It went through the motions of it (vaguely) but there was no real over-arching story, and instead focus episodically on one or another numbnut asshole to defeat who has wrong-think. This has already been addressed in multiple posts (and youtube reviews) prior so I won't go on this. >same vain as modern family guy Again no. Modern Family Guy is superficially no different to its original version, but the details show otherwise.
>>13254 Based but I already posted that moron >was economical before to make shows of the same ilk as your favorite nostalgia-driven liberalism, now it isn't. LOL wut, the budgets for these toon-boom messes is higher than any of the old toons and the nostalgia for the old toons is a big money factor. Also stop with this "it wuz liberal then too" because that's not the same. There is no nostalgia involved. Unless you're referring to something like G.I. Joe which is just unfocused military hero-porn.
>>13279 Not that Anon, but didn't the Ren and Stimpy guy whip the animators because he was autistic about never recycling faces and got canned for it?
>>13245 apparently gender identity was cooked up by a pedo, it doesn't exist
>>13306 I don't recall that being the reason he was canned. I certainly don't remember it coming up. That was probably something 4/co/ cooked up.
>>13281 >LOL wut, the budgets for these toon-boom messes is higher than any of the old toons and the nostalgia for the old toons is a big money Outsourcing to South Korea and usage of software like Flash has been incredibly economical.
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>>13248 >Ian Jones Quarterly WTF happened to this guy? His old webcomic, though very angular and obviously beginner work, had a good style (AND WAS ACTUALLY WELL WRITTEN). Even a quick dig through the earlier stuff on his blog & Tumblr show he was improving.
>>13306 >didn't the Ren and Stimpy guy whip the animators because he was autistic about never recycling faces and got canned for it? <genius=/=sanity Yes, and?
>>13328 Also, as an off-topic question, but wasn't John K also sacked for pedophilia?
>>13329 There are a lot of things said about John K., and a lot of them are probably true, but I can't say as that I particularly care.
>>13319 >has been incredibly economical. Yep, which means they pocket the money. It's a money-laundering scheme essentially. >>13329 No, it was long after he was fired. 2 women acused him of essentially coming on to them when there were 15-14. He apologized and blamed his mental issues.
>>13333 >He apologized and blamed his mental issues. Based and blaming-mental-health-for-hitting-on-kids-pilled
>>13306 It was more that he kept missing deadlines (mostly because of his "never draw the same face twice" policy") and because he kept pushing the envelope too far for the censors to accommodate.
I have a few friends that get furious with me when I point out the flaws of this series. Like for instance when I talk about Steven just forgived the Diamonds after all the tyrannical shit they did and how it was basically >pic related. They're also the same people who think conservatives/nazis should be jailed for having racist opinions.
>>13445 See >>8788 and the following arguments
Don't care about the show but I wanna bang them space rocks, specially Garnet and Whide Diamond.
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>>14616 >TFW the porn of the show is 100x better drawn (and animated sometimes) than the actual show Media related
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How 4chan trolled Steven Universe Fans on tumblr: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_WH43BGdL0
>>13445 >They're also the same people who think conservatives/nazis should be jailed for having racist opinions. They should be jailed if they commit genocide which is what the Diamonds did.
>>14708 The point is that the same liberals who defend Diamonds being genocidal are people who want to jail people for opinions.
>>14720 the dissonance is stronk
>>14763 I don't think there's dissonance, with the correct level of insanity. Feelz>reelz is the lens they view everything through
>>14695 Damn. Tough to pick who is more pathetic, the faggots spending their time doing this or the faggots getting assmad and crying racism because someone recolored a cartoon.
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>>14793 Who spent more effort? The metric for successful vs. unsuccessful trolling is shitposts in vs. saltposts out ratio.
>>14794 >>14793 Considering that edit and draw fags on /trash/ can whip up cheap shite like that in a matter of minutes, compared to the sheer rivers of crying screaming and diatribes about how its racist... 4chan definitely got the win, especially since Steven Universe was banned to the /sug/ generals on /trash/ rather than /aco/ or /co/

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