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Crusader kings 3 Comrade 10/23/2019 (Wed) 17:00:00 No. 2705
Thoughts /games/? Disasterous lauch like Imperator? Or will it make paradox great again? trailer:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuisQLk9PYc
Edited last time by krates on 07/12/2020 (Sun) 05:34:28.
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>>2705
heres the picture cause i fucking forgot it
>>2705
I heard about the controversy about 'Deus Vult', but I can't help but think that if Paradox actually wanted to tell the truth and not back down to poltards, then they would just portray the Crusades as they actually occurred - a huge clusterfuck that did more damage to Christendom than the jiyhads did.
>>2705
Gonna be the next DLC fest where features from last game will be stripped away and sold back to us. More likely the next HOI4 than the next Imperator because Crusader Kings is an actually somewhat viable franchise, whereas all of their attempts at games about Rome have been utter failures.
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As one of the "old" fans of paradox games (HOI 3, jesus people who played HOI 1 must be dinosaurs) I can say with absolute certainty it is going to be crap. it's not a probably, it's not a almost certainly; it is going to be. This is because that's just how paradox is now, they're lazy money grabbers like any big publisher/developer now, once you cross that line you're dead, no coming back. Ok so HOI 3 was good, Vicky 2 in 2012 was good, EU4 I don't think is very good cause in order for it to be good it has to be $200 in DLC, same for CK 2. HOI 4 had some nice quality of life changes but was ultimately shallower, Stellaris took some time but got good too and with comparatively fewer strings attached but that's cause it's made by a different team. And then we got Imperator. Oh boy. Imperator was shallow as shallow could be, a puddle on the sidewalk has more depth than that game does, and right away everyone could tell why: so they could add the "depth" later with DLC. Now nobody bothers to ask the question WHY is it so shallow? They had 4 years of development time, they have all that DLC money from EU4 and CK 2, so just what the fuck was going on? Simple answer: The CEO and big wigs took all the money and development was token. Hey remember when they said "Hoi4 before 2016 and Vicky 3 before 2020"? CAUSE THEY GOT 2 MONTHS TO ANNOUNCE AND RELEASE VICKY 3 THE FUCKS! And why is there no Vicky 3 despite Vicky 2 coming out in 2010 but there is a CK 3 even though CK 2 came out in 2012? DLC of course. And there's people who defend such scummy tactics by saying "oh but it's not microtransactions" as if I should be thankful that I'm getting only fucked in the mouth and not the ass, or -my favourite one- that it helps with the longevity of the game. I DON'T WANT A FUCKING LIVE SERVICE! I want a good finished game on release with 1 or 2 DLCs that just add some goodies on top like with Vicky 2 and HOI3, the "longevity" they speak of is the stuff in EU4 and CK 2 where they retroactively removed content and paywalled it behind DLC that added other stuff.

So ya, CK 3 is gonna be shallow af, broken on launch so they can just patch it later by making you pay for it, and then they're gonna say "oh but it has 5 times as many events as HOI4 don't you know?" despite said events are actually just the same 2 events over and over again with different character names copy and pasted in, JUST LIKE IN IMPERATOR! Also look at Imperator visually, it just looks like a crack of CK 2 or EU4, which it is, so you can bet your ass CK 3 will just look like CK 2 but somehow worse cause they're still using the Clausewitz engine which was made in 2007.

Oh and it will be made for and catered towards 3 year olds so it can be as accessible as possible.
>>2709
Damn, you might be right but try not to let this stuff get you down. You can always pirate it with all the DLCs.
>>2705
Not to stoked about it. I think CK2 is pretty much perfect where it stands right now.
Personally I am paranoid of them fucking with resource systems, especially levies, which I have a feeling will be replaced with an EU4 type manpower. Also I imagine they will do "improvements" to combat, which again, I don't really want to see, since it will most likely make wars more of a chore. I personally like it now, where you can be pretty sure about who will curbstomp who, making the whole charm of it to enter a war already knowing that you will win, and avoiding ones where you won't.
Also I wouldn't be surprised if it will launch with half the features missing, which isn't that bad for me as a pirate, as I'll just wait, but I definitely see others being pissed for having to pay for previous features.
And also, fuck 3D models, I like the old portraits better
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>>2711
Paradox models literally have not changed since that HOI3, hell Imperator doesn't even have fucking HORSE MODELS!
>>2707
they have confirmed that theyre not getting rid of the phrsse theyre just translating it from latin into "for god" or whatever which is fine by me
CK2 is still surprisingly great even with the absolutely infuriating, unforgivable DLC policy. Stellaris is okay. Has anyone actually played Imperator? Looks like absolutely shit.
My thoughts are: where's Vicky 3? How am I supposed to do a grand campaign from CK2 to HOI4 without Vicky 3? This shit is driving my OCD mad
>>2714
I honestly believe the DLC system for CK2 worked surprisingly fine. Every DLC has a specific set of features and that's it. Meanwhile in EUIV you need to buy 4 DLC to have the full colonization experience and some important features like Estates were locked up behind a paywall before Paradox realized they fucked up. The release of Golden Century was the straw that broke the camel's back and that forced them to change the DLC policy and fix their goddamn game.
Paradox is still scummy as fuck with how they treat employees and what not.
>>2716
what are the DLC you recomend in order to play EU4?
>>2714
I bought it at release, played a single Rome campaign, never picked it up again, once you've played it once you've done everything that's how shit it is.
>>2715
"vICtOriA 3 bY 2020!"
God what lying scumbags.
>>2716
>CK2
>Good DLC
Half the features of the game are paywalled behind DLC m8, including the actual start date, you technically lose 40% of the game by not have the Viking DLC alone.
>>2717
Pirate all of them, no exception. They add too much stuff to explain, some DLC have features that have nothing to do with the supposed "theme" of the DLC to force you to buy them just for QoL improvements and better management features.

>>2718
Let me explain.
In CK2 the DLC are pretty straightforward: you buy the muslim DLC? You can play with Muslim characters with related events and mechanics.
You buy the pagan DLC? You can play with pagan characters with related events, mechanics AND a new start date.
Republic DLC? You can play Republics.
India DLC? You can play in India
and so on
Meanwhile in EUIV the features are scattered to make people buy the DLC even if they aren't interested in its theme.
But I agree that paywalling the new start date is scummy.
>>2719
Can you recomend me a place where to pirate the games? I have the game in steam btw
>>2720
Check cs.rin.ru
You have to sign up but they have everything.
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>>2722
No No that's EA DLC policy, Paradox DLC would be if you can see the comment, but replying, seeing the post number, the date it was posted, being able to namefag or trips, and refreshing the page are all DLC, and it comes with some funny colours for the words in the visual DLC, AND it's now pixilated as it has been retroactively added to DLC.
>>2723
>AND it's now pixilated as it has been retroactively added to DLC
Is that a reference to any particular PDX DLC fuckup?

Also making EU4 estates non-Cossack feature was the worst decision ever, I enjoyed disabling that fucking system.
EU4 started to become more and more like an overly complicated busy-box after a certain amount of the additional mechanics
>>2724
No it's just that Paradox is known to remove features from a game with a patch but said feature still exists in the DLC that comes with the patch, most notable one was the EU4 "straits" update where in the vanilla game they added straits to the most idiotic places, ie France could now walk into England and could not physically be blockaded, but in the Merchants DLC(I think that's what it was called) which came with the patch the straits weren't there again, so the straits were just added to strongarm you into buying the DLC. They do this with every DLC but that one got a lot of outcry back in the day.
>>2725
>in the Merchants DLC
bit on the nose lads
>>2725
>>2726

He probably meant Wealth of Nations or Mare Nostrum. I don't remember the part about straits though,
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>>2727
It was Mare Nostrum, they removed the strait part after the community revolted. Lel Paradox listening to community backlash, how nostalgic.
>>2728
How could even Paradox be unaware of the importance of not being able to just walk across the channel? I mean I'm not particularly interested in pre-20th century history but even I know how critical the English Channel is to Britain's history.
>>2729
A: They kinda did, that's why in the DLC it wasn't there, so you'd have to pay for England being an island instead of a peninsula, welcome to modern Paradox, and B: someone did some digging and found out it's also because this choice was debated between straits and improving the AI so it could land troops properly, but because Paradox is lazy and the DLC reasons listed before they went with straits cause lol why actually improve the game when you can break it and make customers pay to unbreak it.
>>2730
Touche.
>>2716
No, major features that fill out missing parts of the base game should not be considered good DLC ever. Adding new playable culture groups and tribal/nomadic governments I'm okay with. China DLC and meme Aztec DLC fine. But shit like lifestyles, council dynamics and monastic/warrior societies should not be locked behind a paywall, they're just slowly finishing the game and making you pay for it. CK2 isnt the most egregious example, EU4 is far worse because it has so many DLC that are 20$ for miniscule features, but the whole policy is infuriating. I wish there was a community where we could organize a real review bomb or something. From what ive seen of Imperator it looks absolutely insulting.

One of the most aggravating parts of these DLCs are that they actually have the fucking nerve to sell the cosmetic packs seperately. Are you fucking kidding me? God I hate these absolute swine
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>>2732
>No, major features that fill out missing parts of the base game should not be considered good DLC ever. Adding new playable culture groups and tribal/nomadic governments I'm okay with. China DLC and meme Aztec DLC fine. But shit like lifestyles, council dynamics and monastic/warrior societies should not be locked behind a paywall, they're just slowly finishing the game and making you pay for it.

I agree that stuff like way of life and retinues should be part of the base game, but imho societies as a DLC is fine. What pisses me off is how lazily they are done. They become boring very fast and you pick them depending on what kind of trait you want.

> One of the most aggravating parts of these DLCs are that they actually have the fucking nerve to sell the cosmetic packs seperately. Are you fucking kidding me? God I hate these absolute swine

They do it because so that the main DLC are cheaper...lmao.
And most of the paid portraits are awful, it's like they picked up some racist to make them.
>>2733
How about they don't add stuff with DLC in the first place and just add it to the game on launch, you know a finished game. On Launch.
>>2735
YOU CAN'T STOP THE TRUTH, ONE DAY GAMERS WILL BE UNOPPRESSED AND BE ABLE TO FREELY PURCHASE FULL GAMES FOR $60 AGAIN! YOU CAN'T SILENCE ALL OF U- oooooooooo a shiny cosmetic for $5, pretty........
they should make the game more of a sandbox if possible, expand mod-ability and make DLC content optional content that is building on and basically showcasing the platform updates abilities on their professional studio level
something like arma 3 was supposed to be
fuck bohemia interactive for the shit pricing though
I didn't expect CK3 so soon. I assume the base game will be better planned around the release of DLC. Hopefully the intrigue, politics, and general RPG elements are better thought out. I'm guessing the game will be shallow and bare-bones on launch given the current trend with Paradox games.
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>>2738
>Paradox
>Core elements of the game
>Fleshed out and developed
>>2739
I don't see what this has to do with my post.
>>2740
Because you were expressing hope for the politics and RPG elements in CK3, AKA the core elements of the game.....from paradox......in 2019(or whatever year CK3 comes out in). Poor soul.
>>2741
I said I hope for improvements, but then immediately made clear I expect a shallow game given the current trend with Paradox games.

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