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The beginnings of our new leftypol project Anonymous Board volunteer 05/27/2020 (Wed) 23:20:07 No. 5150
Hello everyone, we have received the results of our project proposal topic, and I'm delighted to announce that we are teaming up with 'leftypedia' to deliver our planned 'argument/talking point resource' idea. In case you don't know, leftypedia is the current version of the old abandoned 'marxistpedia' which was a project started by leftypol users back in the day, so I think this is sort of like a homecoming in a way. https://leftypedia.org/wiki/Main_Page Anyway, if you have a look at the leftypedia site you might be able to tell that they have a much more formal and 'encyclopedic' tone than what we're planning, just like wikipedia, but the admin is going to create a separate 'category' for our new content that will be called something like 'rhetoric: topic' rather than just 'topic', this will also feature on the frontpage much like the encyclopedic content. As a tenplate, I'd like you to feast your eyes on these pages which someone on leftypedia already made (albeit only on their personal userspace for now). https://leftypedia.org/wiki/User:Anarcho-Bolshevik/compendium I'd like to ask if anyone can come up with a slightly more catchy name for our new section than 'rhetoric', cause that sounds a bit cumbersome to me even though I came up with it, so yeah, open to suggestions. So, since that isn't implemented yet, I'd like you all to try familiarise yourselves with the site for now, maybe take a look at the articles that are already there and improve some of them if you feel able. Unfortunately the site currently has only edit by approval so you will have to wait for any changes you make to be approved, this is because of a persistent spambot problem and I hope that we will be able to work out something to change this to normal editing as on wikipedia and the like, please just bear with it for now. If you have an answer to a 'common question', or you have an effortpost you'd like to archive and save, then please post it in this topic for now so that we can work on it together until we can figure out how to categorise our new section of the site. Thanks for your attention! EDIT: I've now got admin permissions on leftypedia, so I can create pages and approve edits directly. If you want to use the site I recommend you create a user account, which I can then approve once you make a productive edit (to distinguish from spambots), then you won't have to wait for approval anymore and can create articles yourself. Or, just ask me and I can create an article for you if you're desperate to make one as your first edit. Thanks guys, I hope we can make this project cool together! t. Caballo
Edited last time by caballo on 05/30/2020 (Sat) 17:19:51.
>>5414 It's an isolated wikipedia and helps us consolidate information on leftist topics without needing to ask unnecessary and repeatedly rehashed questions on this thread and simply refer to a basic wiki.
https://archive.is/EwQfT https://archive.is/Q2Mod 2 excellent posts on quora by David King (a ML quora poster) that dissect contradictive attacks by anti-communists
Looks like the owner has abandoned the site. I wish we could actually arrange some kind of collective leadership for these projects instead of having to be led by one sperg after another.
>>5417 I have permissions to do most things, what do you need?
>>5375 >black belt wtf i love Karate also northern new england is unfortunately libertarian country.
>>5419 >karate Tae Kwon Do is better TBH
>>5266 I play this and imagine myself fighting in a revolutionary war: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2UKhmH03uc Please stahp posting youtube links that are blocked in my country. Make webms pls.
>>5190 >>5258 Yeah that's america though Why would the workers state seek victory on the back of killing workers from another nation? >If they had a strategic bomberlfleet they would have done Dresden style fire bombings as well Bombing civilian targets just for the shits of it? I highly doubt it.
>>5151 >>5255 >>5261 I literally posted all this shit the last thread http://www.cverdad.org.pe/ifinal/pdf/TOMO%20VII/Casos%20Ilustrativos-UIE/2.6.%20LUCANAMARCA.pdf >no arguments of points to make >but i she you post with a trip so i will just point that out for the 100000000th time bro, i like it when you do this. >oh it was actually the SP fault the sterilisations happened, shouldn't have resisted the state violence against the peasantry. Get back in your place dirty proles
>>5167 >>5372 >In a way it can be concluded that when socialism (or quasi-socialism, as was the case in the SFR Yugoslavia) is in danger of dying, something similar to what happens when capital is in danger happens. As in, when capitalism is danger, fascism props up to violently defend it, when socialism is danger, a vulgar quasi-socialist nationalism pops up to defend it (pretty much what the Socialist Party of Serbia, Milosevic's party when he ruled the FR Yugoslavia was.) Now this, I like.There is a huge possibility, that when socialism is about to be dismantled via a revolution it activates in the midst of its crisis a group in intents to save it just as a self defense mechanism, but notice that just as fascism this can´t be born out of the blue, it is grown through the reproduclion of ideology, and realized when socialism crumbles, whether it be communism or a reversion to capitalism.Notice how, this is mostly a universal consequence of the transition between economic systems, an attitude fermented by those who live a \"good capitalism Under-rated thread TBH
>>5325 >Left is consistently the ugliest tree with the worst apples and I'm not fucking with it. I see it throughout history and I seen in the past 5 months. Don't build anything normal people can appreciate, its always some dumpster fire deathcult. So support fascism then and stop bmowsing the website lol. You'll be on our side anyway. Just don't hold any punches or else you'll decelerate. >Righv-wing utopia: White people are not enslaved Remind me what wage slavery is again. Perhaps how Nazi Germany planned to restructure its economy where did Om say that?
Any articles in particular that people would like written?
>>5426 perhaps one on how labor vouchers work, good to just have one ready to link for people to read
>>5426 Some detailed stuff on Lend-Lease based on what has been posted and some stuff on 'le Holodomeme' the current articles are just barebones and lacking
>>5426 organizing
(1.69 MB Anon OPSEC.pdf)
>>5429 Use this
>>5430 This document was already formatted onto the wiki, on top of a few other additions: https://leftypedia.org/wiki/Hacktivism >>5429 We already have a page on that here: https://leftypedia.org/wiki/Organizing Anything you would like to see added to it?
Are you going to explain how communism has never worked? inb4 not real communism
>>5432 It's worked every single fucking time. The problem is those countries are permanently under seige by capitalist ones because revolution has yet to come to the porky core, i.e. your pig pen known as burgerville, bongistan, France, and Germany. I don't know how fucking hard is it for you to accept that capitalists cannot abide by any non porky country existing. If they cannot rape and pillage it for immense profit it is an "undemocratic, unfree, authoritarian """"regime""""".
>>5426 Soviet healthcare is a good topic Some starter info: - https://mega.nz/folder/LIhjFKrA#ey8UpJYWA46ZjZkGjWlP6g (inside russian medicine, red medicine) - https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1981/11/05/the-health-crisis-in-the-ussr-an-exchange/ - https://academic.oup.com/ije/article/35/6/1406/660153 - https://www.academia.edu/18309229/Anomalies_in_Soviet_healthcare - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1025801/pdf/westjmed00144-0116.pdf - Mickiewicz, Ruth, Handbook of Soviet Social Science Dam New York: Free Press, 1973. - Look up Semashko System Most doctors per capita in the world Source: https://www.marxists.org/archive/newsholme/1933/red-medicine/index.htm The Soviet Union had the highest physician-patient ratio in the world, my notes say 42 per 10,000 population, vs 24 in Denmark and Sweden, 19 in US. In this document: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0735675784900482 You can open it without paying with sci-hub.cc Raised life expectancy by 65% Provided Healthcare was a right. Free healthcare for all and about twice as many doctors as the USA; - Article 41: Citizens of the USSR have the right to rest and leisure. This right is ensured by the establishment of a working week not exceeding 41 hours, for workers and other employees, a shorter working day in a number of trades and industries, and shorter hours for night work; by the provision of paid annual holidays, weekly days of rest, extension of the network of cultural, educational, and health-building institutions, and the development on a mass scale of sport, physical culture, and camping and tourism; by the provision of neighborhood recreational facilities, and of other opportunities for rational use of free time. The length of collective farmers' working and leisure time is established by their collective farms. - Article 42: Citizens of the USSR have the right to health protection. This right is ensured by free, qualified medical care provided by state health institutions; by extension of the network of therapeutic and health-building institutions; by the development and improvement of safety and hygiene in industry; by carrying out broad prophylactic measures; by measures to improve the environment; by special care for the health of the rising generation, including prohibition of child labour, excluding the work done by children as part of the school curriculum; and by developing research to prevent and reduce the incidence of disease and ensure citizens a long and active life. (Soviet Constitution of 1977, Part II. The State And The Individual; Chapter 7: The Basic Rights, Freedoms, And Duties Of Citizens Of The USSR) "Over much of this century the nation in the vanguard of the revolution in health was the Soviet Union. In 1897 Imperial Russia offered its people a life expectancy of perhaps thirty years. In European Russia, from what we can make out, infant mortality (that is, death in the first year) claimed about one child in four, and in Russia’s Asian hinterlands the toll was probably closer to one in three. Yet by the late 1950's the average Soviet citizen could expect to live 68.7 years: longer than his American counterpart, who had begun the century with a seventeen-year lead. By 1960 the Soviet infant mortality rate, higher than any in Europe as late as the Twenties, was lower than that of Italy, Austria, or East Germany, and seemed sure to undercut such nations as Belgium and West Germany any year." - Nicholas Ebserstadt (a conservative think-tank adviser)
>>5393 The links in the first pdf are inactive, can anyone find them again?
из интервью 2006 года: http://www.webcitation.org/61BOeYWkJ "Происходящее на Украине, ещё от фальшиво-построенной формулировки для референдума 1991-го года (я уже об этом писал и говорил), составляет мою постоянную горечь и боль. Фанатическое подавление и преследование русского языка (который в прошлых опросах был признан своим основным более чем 60% населения Украины) является просто зверской мерой, да и направленной против культурной перспективы самой Украины. Огромные просторы, никогда не относившиеся к исторической Украине, как Новороссия, Крым и весь Юго-Восточный край, насильственно втиснуты в состав нынешнего украинского государства и в его политику жадно желаемого вступления в НАТО. За всё время Ельцина ни одна его встреча с украинскими президентами не обошлась без капитуляций и уступок с его стороны. Изживание Черноморского флота из Севастополя (никогда и при Хрущёве не уступленного УССР) является низменным злостным надругательством над всей русской историей XIX и ХХ веков. При всех этих условиях Россия ни в какой форме не смеет равнодушно предать многомиллионное русское население на Украине, отречься от нашего единства с ним."
BTW are the mods even alive on the wiki? I've made a few edits a while ago and they get sent to moderation and go nowhere.
>>5438 I'm an admin. It could be a fluke from denying all, but I see some IP edits in the modlong (which I have accepted) so it is likely just all the mods sleeping.
>>5186 On the contrary, it seems rather that we should fill in any information we happen to be aware of. We have a problem of not enough people editing the wiki, much before anything. This is also likely the problem with your wiki, which was likely small. If people see a page with not enough info, they'll add on to it as they see fit.
bay of pigs article bay of pigs 2 Boogaloo venezuala fishermen
>>5441 Definitely this Also is it just me or are we continually drifting to the bottom of the board due to inactivity... This thread should be pinned or moved to /edu/ because it's 100% necessary and informative and is being underused because of so many garbage OPs being posted.
>>5442 Yea, there is a decline in quality on this particular site. Back on 8ch we had a dedicated reading thread that was stickied — mods knew their priorities back then, but hardly such a thing now. This wiki is basically a collection of answers to questions that people keep asking over and over again; I figure that if we pin this thread then there will be a lot less new threads about simple topics, on top of raising the bar for post quality by emphasizing importance on this wiki.
>>5150 I already do Wikiproject:Anarchism stuff on wikipedia. Can i add anarchist stuff that isn't leftism on here, anons?
>>5444 What exactly does that mean? But go ahead lol
We need more file types that can be uploaded. WebMs, SVGs, PDFs, etc.
>>5446 It's so annoying to see all the artifacts on every photo
>Pg-27 even when the garbage is being rerouted to /b/ FFS bump
>>5448 It's not just that /leftypol/ is the wrong board for this thread, but the wrong website. Shitpost threads max out to 500 posts within a few hours while this thread has to keep getting resuscitated. Wrong audience here.
We hear you. Your voices are seen. Thread has been moved.
Resources on Ecomarxism/Capitalism ecological impact - Last subchapter of black shirts and reds (parenti) https://web.archive.org/web/20070111014358/http://www.greenleft.org.uk/manifesto.shtml (for ecomarxism/ecocapitalism article)
Have you seen this? MLs created their own "ProleWiki" >>>/leftypol/1152221
>>6059 Probably because we're so inactive.
>>6063 man we trying
>>6059 9/10 it's a glowfag operation masquerading under a LARP of "le epic radical socialists, defending reel soshulism!"
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>>5394 So I've been slowly adding some parts from (my) nationstates dispatch to the wiki, however since I'm having trouble coding the sources properly I'd like someone to also help out in posting the data and sources if possible. Also 2 other sources to consider for the article including some content about the gratefulness of Soviet people and the myths about "downplaying" http://archive.is/VAS79 http://archive.is/kbywO Also, I request someone correct the part about Zhukov saying "decisive factor" That is a image-quote spread by wehraboos and /pol/. The full and actual words he stated are as follows. "The Soviet people give their due to the people of the United States and Britain, to their soldiers, sailors, officers and military leaders who did everything in their power to bring closer the victory over Nazi Germany. We sincerely honour the memory of the killed British and American seamen who despite the dangerous situation at sea, despite the fact that they faced death every mile of the way, delivered to us the cargoes under the Lend-Lease agreement. We highly appreciate the valiance of the participants in the Resistance movement in many European countries." (…) "We also touched upon the deliveries under the Lend-Lease programme. Everything seemed clear in that respect then. Nevertheless, for years after the war bourgeois historiography has asserted that it was the Allied deliveries of armaments, materials and foodstuffs that had played a decisive role for our victory over the enemy. True, the Soviet Union did receive supplies the economy needed so badly: machinery, equipment, materials, fuel and foodstuffs. For example, over 400,000 vehicles, a great number of locomotives and communication facilities were brought from the United States and Britain. But could all that have had a decisive influence on the course of the war? I have already mentioned that the Soviet industry developed on such a scale during the war that it provided the front and rear with everything needed. I see no sense in going into all that once more. As for the armaments, what I would like to say is that we received under Lend-Lease from the United States and Britain about 18,000 aircraft and over 11,000 tanks. That comprised a mere 4 per cent of the total amount of armaments that the Soviet people produced to equip its army during the war. Consequently, there is no ground for talk about the decisive role of the deliveries under Lend-Lease. As for the tanks and aircraft supplied to us by the British and US governments, they, to be frank, did not display high fighting qualities; especially tanks which, running on petrol, would burn like torches" - 2014 edition of his memoirs ("Marshal of Victory: The Autobiography of General Georgy Zhukov") link: http://booksdescr.org/item/index.php?md5=B2EEF3B4C47AF4D8AFE26F4F6F75E34B Also working on the utterly devoid WW-2 page if I can, expanding into myths about the USSR also taken from there. Also Created a Molotov Ribbentrop Pact which is very much necessary as the subject is lengthy as hell. However I also believe that the Wikipedia page is far too bloated. For example the section on the Background reaches all the way back to WW-1 and The German-Soviet interactions of the Weimar Republic and other information while lacking key information. The Munich Treaty is also touched upon in bloated fashion and portrays the Soviets as overtly aggressive. I suggest taking the base information of wikipedia's page and rewording it, cleaning out unnecessary fluff and inaccurate russophobia and anticommunism and providing context from the Soviet view of things. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact#Background Also Grover Furr's prodigious work on Poland contains detailed primary sources on the subject that I suggest we make use of. https://msuweb.montclair.edu/~furrg/research/mlg09/did_ussr_invade_poland.html Good luck comrades, help make this project work!
>>6130 Also for the Winter War article this dude has some good sources https://www.quora.com/Did-the-Soviet-economy-work-at-all/answer/Chuck-Garen/comment/42562297?nsrc=4&snid3=1449987297#
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Recently finished the article on The Great Plan For the Transformation of Nature and while it's pending admin review I just wanted to post some sources worth looking over for anyone who'd like to add more. https://leftypedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Plan_for_the_Transformation_of_Nature An article going over the opinions and historical assertions of Russians and Historians modern and past, on the plan - http://novsoc.ru/stalinskiy-plan-preobrazovaniya-prirodyi-v-kontekste-istorii-russkoy-myisli/ An article written by an anti-communist Ukrainian ecological group. Many assertions are unfounded anti-communist drivel however a few citations are legitimate and should be looked into. - http://www.ecoethics.ru/old/b61/52.html An article with some basic information and high quality images that I don't know how to upload. The Stalin poster should be the top image and several other photos ought to also be included throughout the new article. - https://ardexpert.ru/article/14074 Cyberlenin article written on the plan https://cyberleninka.ru/article/n/stalinskiy-plan-preobrazovaniya-prirody-trudnosti-i-uspehi-ego-realizatsii-v-adygee-1948-1953-gg A 1952 academic review of the plan - http://istmat.info/files/uploads/52263/kovda_v._a._velikiy_plan_preobrazovaniya_prirody_1952.pdf Another article: http://archive.is/56nXK Dispelling myths: http://www.domarchive.ru/chronica/8787
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>>5150 >Cuban Republic article doesn't mention Castro or the Revolution except in passing >Castro doesn't have his own article >Che Guevara isn't even mentioned >Bay of Pigs is forgotten MFW https://leftypedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Cuba
>>6168 Thanks, good source to sue for later
>>6175 *use


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