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italian vs spanish political catholicism Comrade 06/13/2020 (Sat) 16:51:51 No. 1922 [Reply] [Last]
I'm reading Dylan Riley's [Civic Foundations of Fascism](https://b-ok.cc/book/5440703/4e76ad) and liking it quite a bit, but one thing that comes out pretty clearly is that while political Catholicism in Italy before and shortly after WWI had an independent and relatively "leftist" streak - lots of independent workers organizations and so on, probably most people reading this are familiar with the PSI/PPI alliance that might have been able to weather through the fascist threat if they could agree over some smaller stuff - Spanish political Catholicism was much more uniformly reactionary and under the direction of local landowners. And this happens despite obvious similarities between the countries - semiperipheral position in world-economy, historical catholicism obviously, very old "republican" associational traditions in the big cities, a liberal political system organized around clientelism and smoke-filled rooms. When I (or Riley for that matter) try to think of why political Catholicism in Italy would turn against the system, I think of things like "well the state built its power by crowding against the church, which in turn believed it was going to get wiped out by a cabal of freemasons" but that's obviously true of Spain as well, which IIRC actually built up even more bad blood with land reform and so on. And if I think of why they'd be dependent in Spain it's things like "well big landowners used the church to control peasants," and it's not clear why that wouldn't be true in Italy as well - in fact Riley emphasses how in each case local notables organized each initially, but then they became independent in Italy by the 1890s and never really in Spain. Maybe it's just something like "Italy had higher literacy rates and it's that much easier to self-organize?" But of course it's not like illiterate peasants never get mobilized by the left either.

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Time Travel Comrade 05/27/2020 (Wed) 21:43:43 No. 1786 [Reply] [Last]
What can you guys tell me about "Time Travel"?
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I was born in and come from the future, and it does not like pretty. which is why I'm here.
>>1787 I will tell you about it when I travel into the past when you were 5. Just wait
In a way, going to the future is possible if you move at relativistic speeds. Going to the past would require moving at above the speed of light.
>>1786 worst movie plot

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Yugoslavia and post Yugoslav states Q&A Comrade 04/30/2020 (Thu) 08:34:00 No. 1420 [Reply] [Last]
Yugoslavia was the only "eastern bloc" country that was almost entirely liberated by the domestic communsit led anti-fascist coalition. They wanted to follow the Soviet model, but due to some ComInform (ex Comintern) tensions, Stalin excluded them and after 1948 they strated to look for their own path in building socialism and they came up with self-management - the workers voted in the managers, voted on employing new people, what the created value will be used on etc. However, they never really found a good way to trade goods between companies so they re-implemented the market where goods between companies and between companies and consumers were traded. They also had strong relationship with various 2nd and 3rd world countries and helped them out a lot (they worked on importan construction projects in Iraq, Syria, Egypt etc. etc.), and many foreign students came to study in Yugoslavia (people from Congo, Sudan, Algeria, Iraq etc. etc.) In the 70s they borrowed money from the World bank which fucked them at the end of the 70s and start of the 80s (debt crisis) which gave rise to ugly nationalism which eventually destroyed the country and re-introduced a wild capitalism.
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>>1458 Because citizens of Yugoslavia never had a "Yugoslav" national identity. The regime in the Kingdom of Yugoslavia pushed very hard for a unified Yugoslav state and nation, but failed miserably. Post war socialist Yugoslavia was from the start a federal state in which Slovenia, Croatia, Serbia, Montenegro, Bosnia and Macedonia were federal states. And Kosovo, while not a federal state, had the status of an autonomous region. A Slovenian writer once said in 1913: by blood we are brothers, by language we are cousins, but by culture, which develops over centuries, we are further apart than a Slovenian peasant is from a (German) peasant in Tirol (Austrian region).
>>1472 >A Slovenian writer once said in 1913: by blood we are brothers, by language we are cousins, but by culture, which develops over centuries, we are further apart than a Slovenian peasant is from a (German) peasant in Tirol (Austrian region). Typical Slovenian. I love how dead on Yugo stereotypes are. That's why the jokes are funny, cause they're all true.
>>1484 This. Also it's funny how "typical Slovenian" comes from presumably a Croat or Serbian - your guys really are crazy nationalist fanatics
>>1472 >muh mitteleuropa
>>1458 uneven development caused diverging consciousness; "yugoslavization" is a thing, and you can see it today even moreso with the euroregion policy. my impression was that the serbs were the most vested in the yugoslav identity and considered themselves yugoslavs until the ouster of milosevic and even some time after that.

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English DPRK Lit. Archive Comrade 06/07/2020 (Sun) 20:30:37 No. 1863 [Reply] [Last]
Here's a google drive I found full of documents, biographies, reports, counterprop and theory for Juche, Songon and just about everything else DPRK: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B48PXBn7S_-MMVlaZjlrOEdKWFk There is notably some very recent documents from as late as last year, including the theoretical work of Kim Jong Un. Everything (I have seen) in here is in English. (If you are (rightly) wary of Google here, know that you can view and download these files through a Tor browser.) Anyone got anything else DPRK-related they don't see here that they'd like to archive?
Official DPRK website full of documents in several languages: http://www.korean-books.com.kp/en/

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Comrade 06/09/2020 (Tue) 07:39:05 No. 1882 [Reply] [Last]
What can I learn fron Grundrisse that I can't learn from Capital?
it has a funny name, you'll look smarter if you cite it
>>1894 based

Comrade 06/09/2020 (Tue) 16:17:54 No. 1891 [Reply] [Last]
Anybody know some good readings on the idea that we cannot change ideas without changing their material origins

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/space/ Comrade 06/07/2020 (Sun) 01:15:19 No. 1859 [Reply] [Last]
The history of space travel. I want all material, factoids, trivia, books on space. From Sputnik to the recent Crew Dragon and further beyond

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Sun Yat-sen Comrade 06/05/2020 (Fri) 00:31:55 No. 1839 [Reply] [Last]
Can someone redpill me about this dude?
He was a bourgeois revolutionary and anti-imperialist who founded the KMT. He corresponded with Lenin who considered him a peer even though he wasn't an communist. Sun Yat Sen's socialism was built off of Henry George, not Karl Marx. He's one of the only political figures beloved on both sides of the Taiwan straight. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Principles_of_the_People

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Marx didn't think mining was labour? Comrade 06/04/2020 (Thu) 21:15:53 No. 1837 [Reply] [Last]
-value is generated by labour Alright. -because money is represetative of value, it allows people to hoard value. Yes. >As the production of commodities further develops, every producer of commodities is compelled to make sure of the nexus rerum or the social pledge. [41] His wants are constantly making themselves felt, and necessitate the continual purchase of other people’s commodities, while the production and sale of his own goods require time, and depend upon circumstances. In order then to be able to buy without selling, he must have sold previously without buying. This operation, conducted on a general scale, appears to imply a contradiction. But the precious metals at the sources of their production are directly exchanged for other commodities. And here we have sales (by the owners of commodities) without purchases (by the owners of gold or silver). What? If selling is the trade of use-value with exchange-value represented by money, then to say that selling something to a miner isn't selling is wouldn't either mean that A)mining doesn't generate value, even though it's human labour B)precious metals don't have value, which in turn doesn't add up to either option A nor with out precious metals became money-commodity to begin with?

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>B)precious metals don't have value, which in turn doesn't add up to either option A nor with out precious metals became money-commodity to begin with? Nor with how precious metals Fucking autocorrect
Marx is talking about using precious metals as money. Buying: money form -> commodity form Selling: commodity form -> money form But if you are mining "money", at the point it enters circulation it is not yet in money form, since you produce it as a commodity to be exchanged for concrete use-values. For you it is commodity form -> commodity form. But for the person you exchange it with, it will be already in money form, therefore for them it is commodity form -> money form, i.e. selling. If you have only buying and selling, the amount of money in circulation couldn't grow. This is how it grows anyway.

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Comrade 05/25/2020 (Mon) 14:07:28 No. 1773 [Reply] [Last]
What if I wanted to read more or less "contemporary" philosophers like Sartre, Beauvoir, Adorno, Deleuze, Zizek, Badiou, etc.. but don't have the time and, dare I say, sufficient interest to go through Kant, Plato, Aristotle, and all the other classical authors of philosophy? How much do I have to lose? I'm willing to spend a couple of months reading Plato, but I think I'm only willing to go through secondary sources for Aristotle. Same goes for the philosophers that predated the "contemporary" ones mentioned above. I'd be willing to read a history and primer on German idealism and maybe even read primary enlightenment texts if I have to. So how much do I have to lose? People who are good at philosophy please answer.
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>>1773 read ultra left phylosophy like guy debord , raoul vanegeim , György Lukács , Henry Lefbvre , the revue "international situationnist" , "theorie communiste" or "sic" it's better adorno is good
>>1773 and yes you can read them directly
>>1773 in fact you only need to read a lot of marx before
>>1773 I did pretty much exactly this. you can get away with it by reading pic related to get the framework of what the classical and ancient philosophers are all about. but for some of the people you listed, like Zizek and Badiou (can't speak on the others, but I've heard Deleuze is supposed to be pretty easy in isolation), you will have to additionally understand some mid 20th-century stuff like Lacan and Heidegger.
>>1778 t. theorylet without philosophy there is no Marx


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