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Help with Marxian philosophical reading list Comrade 07/14/2020 (Tue) 12:42:51 No. 2457 [Reply] [Last]
I've been doing a bit of reading on the economic aspects of Marxism, however it occurred to me that I don't know where to start with the more philosophical aspects. I've seen people post Stalin's, "Dialectical and Historical Materialism" and I've occasionally been recommended some works by Bukharin, however I really don't know what order would be best to understand concepts such as dialectical materialism or the base and superstructure or ideology, and so on. Could one of you anons help me figure out how exactly I should educate myself on such topics?
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>>2457 The conquest of bread The revolution betrayed
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Semi-reelated repost of a tant about Kant The Categorical Imperative is fucking stupid. I'll take the never lying principle, for instance: According to K(u)nt, if a murderer comes at your doorstep asking if you know where a certain friend, the one you are hiding from him, is, you should say yes, because otherwise you'd corrupt the categorical imperative. The logic, if it can be called that, is that by lying about it you are using the killer as means instead of an end, something you should never do to another human being, because if everybody did it then society couldn't function because 1 - by covering/misrepresenting information you take away people's autonomy to take a conscious decision 2 - if everybody lied then lying wouldn't really anything; IE, lying is irrational (gross oversimplification, yes, but I'm not lying about it). So let's destroy Immanuel "bad portraits" Kant with facts and logic, shall we? - The killer doesn't follow the categorical imperative. If anyone could kill anyone willy-nilly than society kan't really function, can it? You're not really seeing people as ends to themselves when you kill them for money, are you? Then how can defend the interests of people that go against the Categorical Imperative? If everybody gave autonomy to people that don't respect the CI, than the CI wouldn't mean a whole lot, now would it? - Once your friend is dead, he can't make informed decisions of any kind. You know, cause his brains are all over your wall. - In defense of the indefensible, Kant says that maybe your friend could slip out the back after all, even heroes know when to be scared, and if the killer caught him outside after not looking inside your house it would be your fault. Let's consider the combinations: A: you lie B: you tell the truth a: your friend runs b:your friend stays 1: your friend is killed 2: your friend survives Kant seems to assume the killer would not enter your house anyway if you said he wasn't there; that's fucking stupid and I won't take such childish assumptions into account. In Aa1,Ab1,Bb1,Ba1, your friend dies; 50% of all scenarios. According to Kant, you are completely at fault in cases Aa1, Ab1. The odds of your friend dying by not lying is still 50%, but fuck your friend, the important thing is that your hands are clean! Oh, and the best for last:

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>Reproduction of Daily Life by Freddie Perlman Short and good
>>2467 You absolutely need to read Lukacs. He's as essential as Lenin.
>>2495 >please find me books that already agree with my beliefs

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The question is when Anonymous 07/27/2020 (Mon) 03:39:14 No. 2874 [Reply] [Last]
The late 2010's and early 2020's upheavals were predicted 10 years ago by a relatively simple model that accounts for elite infighting, income inequality, number of 18-29 y.o. people, etc. The same analysis was retroactively applied to many civil wars and revolutions throughout history and the results were pretty consistent: wars, revolutions and upheavals follow pretty deterministic patterns. The thing that's impossible to predict, is the trigger, the casus belli. In-depth paper in [1], 2020 prediction in [2]. On the other hand the rate of profit is falling (empirically proven in [3]), which makes the contradictions accelerate: median living conditions become increasingly unbearable, inequality between the working population and the elite skyrockets, etc. (coronavirus and climate change are just accelerating even further the process). The question is not if, but when, will capitalism collapse. Two options at that point: regression, the elite fights back and wins (fascism, neo-feudalism, apocalyptic-tier world wars, pick your poison) or progression, the working class fights back and wins (socialism, which means the long term construction of post-scarcity society i.e. communism). [1]: https://escholarship.org/uc/item/6qp8x28p [2]: https://www.nature.com/articles/463608a >Quantitative historical analysis reveals that complex human societies are affected by recurrent — and predictable — waves of political instability (P. Turchin and S. A. Nefedov Secular Cycles Princeton Univ. Press; 2009). In the United States, we have stagnating or declining real wages, a growing gap between rich and poor, overproduction of young graduates with advanced degrees, and exploding public debt. These seemingly disparate social indicators are actually related to each other dynamically. They all experienced turning points during the 1970s. Historically, such developments have served as leading indicators of looming political instability >Very long 'secular cycles' interact with shorter-term processes. In the United States, 50-year instability spikes occurred around 1870, 1920 and 1970, so another could be due around 2020. We are also entering a dip in the so-called Kondratiev wave, which traces 40-60-year economic-growth cycles. This could mean that future recessions will be severe. In addition, the next decade will see a rapid growth in the number of people in their twenties, like the youth bulge that accompanied the turbulence of the 1960s and 1970s. All these cycles look set to peak in the years around 2020. [3]: https://mpra.ub.uni-muenchen.de/55894/1/MPRA_paper_55894.pdf >The downward trend of the rate of profit, its empirical confirmation, highlights the historically limited nature of capitalist production. If the rate of profit marks the vitality of the system, the logical conclusion is that it approaches further to an endpoint.
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>>2897 Well put comrade, have you read Hinterland, by Phil Neel?
>>2898 >I also am unclear why you find urban environments to be hostile. I agree with your opinion but my reasons are more mundane: vehicle traffic, noise pollution, actual pollution, lack of space for gatherings. None of these are inherent to the city-form. An advanced socialist city of the future could avoid or minimize these issues. I do not share the contempt for cities, but I admit that there is a large untapped potential to them. We could create clean, green, efficient, humane and beautiful cities - capitalism stands in the way.
>>2900 >None of these are inherent to the city-form Not that anon, but the entire history of cities is that of people being forced into them out of brute desperation in search of opportunities for sustenance, falling to ruin both as individuals and generationally all their time there, and fleeing as far from the city center as they can manage the moment they claw together enough resources to afford it. It's pretty obvious that people just really, really hate living in cities.
>>2896 Honestly, I'm against trying to predict the future, but I think it's hard not to let some of the "kill me now" nihilistic millennial humor creep into my thought process. Not least because I've been guilty of perpetuating that nonsense myself.
>>2901 >It's pretty obvious that people just really, really hate living in cities I disagree. People hate living in shitty cities.

Translators Wanted! Traducteurs recherchés! Übersetzer gesucht! Anonymous 04/18/2020 (Sat) 10:17:17 No. 2534 [Reply] [Last]
If you know French or German, please contribute a chapter to /leftypol/'s first crowdsourced translation project! This project started on >>>/edu/840. The book is Karl Kautsky's history of the French Revolution, originally published as Die Klassengegensätze im Zeitalter der Französischen Revolution in 1889. Coming from the "Pope of Marxism", as Kautsky was then known, this text likely had an immense influence on Lenin and other revolutionaries of his day. It was approved by Engels himself, and may have been foundational in establishing the Marxist theory of bourgeois revolution, yet it has never been translated into English. The original German is available here: https://www.marxists.org/deutsch/archiv/kautsky/1908/frev/index.html and an old French translation is available here: https://www.marxists.org/francais/kautsky/works/1889/00/antagonismes-table.htm What makes this work especially good for us to translate is that it's relatively short - just around 60 pages in total, divided into 10 chapters. With each chapter being 5-7 pages each, it is conceivable to translate a chapter in one day's volunteer work. Comrade Akko has already translated the preface, and is working on chapter 1. That leaves 9 chapters to complete: Preface: Complete! Chapter 1: Second draft complete (French) Chapter 2: Draft complete (French) - Proofreading complete (English) Chapter 3: WIP (French) Chapter 4: Draft complete (French) - Proofreading complete (English) Chapter 5: Draft complete (French) - Proofreading complete (English) Chapter 6: Draft complete (French) - Proofreading complete (English) Chapter 7: Draft complete (French) - Proofreading complete (English) Chapter 8: Complete! (Copyrighted work, permission secured) Chapter 9: WIP (French) Chapter 10:

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>>2597 >>2596 Please don't just bump with just "bump" Even a meagre shitpost of somekind or a meme (or meme translation) would be better.
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Someone translated the Russian into english. Reposting here.
thanks mods
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Here's chapter 9 finally, if someone wants to proofread it. I highlighted a little section in yellow which I wasn't sure about, which I think should be checked by someone who knows German. Some parts of the footnotes in this chapter are actually from the French translator Gérard Billy. I've marked them with "GB" for now, whatever we want to do with them later. Another footnote includes a long quotation from a russian book, translated into german, then into french, and now into english by me, which I guess is a bit dodgy but it's mainly numbers and statistics though so it can't be that bad.
does Chapter 3 need to be done? I'm not a fluent french speaker but I could probably translate it

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Comrade 05/14/2020 (Thu) 05:00:09 No. 1617 [Reply] [Last]
Drop those PDF's or else
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/lit/ Comrade 04/12/2020 (Sun) 10:02:55 No. 808 [Reply] [Last]
What is your favorite book? What book influenced you the most? What do you like about books? what are you planning to read? What are you reading now? Saw this in /hobby/ but thought it fit more here
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Does anyone have pdfs of the The Lord Of The Rings trilogy? As an offering I provide The Hobbit
Here's a little effort post someone made on /leftytrash/ a while ago about the character Holden from Catcher in the Rye
Oh you like reading, eh? Name every book.
>>808 >What is your favorite book? Dandelion wine by ray bradbury >What book influenced you the most? State and revolution by Vladimir Lenin >What do you like about books? There’s more room for interpretation than other forms of media >what are you planning to read? Haven’t read for whom the bell tolls yet, I was thinking of reading that >what are you reading now? Fall of the ottomans by Eugene Rogan
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Which of these books do you recommend? Anonymous 04/04/2020 (Sat) 21:46:37 No. 767 [Reply] [Last]
And which should I skip?
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>>767 Bruh are those even books? Looks like something children and liberals read. I only read theory, history, political-economy, science or philosophy books
>>2849 it makes me extremely sad some people actually act like this though
Pynchon is very fun to read
>>767 My personal favorite is 77
>>2930 It’s not a book about ideology per se, however it’s an incredible book. It’s a story about childhood’s end, fear, anger, nostalgia, with some midlife crisis stuff thrown in. It’s great

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the dark islam within lovecraftian horror. Anonymous 08/06/2020 (Thu) 17:36:48 No. 2921 [Reply] [Last]
His works contain explicit references to ancient islamic texts, some say cosmic horror is a pessimistic inversion of sufist cosmology. Some of his stories, like the nameless city, is a direct reference to a story contained within the quran. Here are some direct quotes: >At one time I formed a juvenile collection of Oriental pottery and objets d’art, announcing myself as a devout Mohammedan and assuming the pseudonym of “Abdul Alhazred” – which you will recognise as the author of that mythical Necronomicon which I drag into various of my tales [...]. (letter to Edwin Baird, February 3, 1924) >The absurdity of the myth I was called upon to accept and the sombre greyness of the whole faith compared with the Eastern magnificence of Mahometanism, made me de-finitely agnostic [...].10 You can read more here: >https://www.researchgate.net/publication/272537419_The_Darker_Islam_within_the_American_Gothic_Sufi_Motifs_in_the_Stories_of_HP_Lovecraft
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>>2923 It'll probably sink without a trace in /edu/ too because its a dead board.
>>2925 Alright let's just keep it here and hope jannies are kind enough not to delet
>>2925 It's just slow which means people who are interested in this sort of thing are more likely to see it eventually since the turnover if threads is less most people aren't on here 24/7 and this is a bitbof a niche topic
>>2927 *bit of
>>2927 Its niche but I like it.

will translate any russian text under 20k words Comrade 05/18/2020 (Mon) 22:38:49 No. 1688 [Reply] [Last]
it should take me a couple of days max to do so. drop links, pdfs, images if it's larger than 20k lmk and i'll think about it i'll also do belarusian if needed
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>>2719 it can be done. i'm still working my way through stalin and khrushchev so this might be a while
>>2736 No worries, take your time
Does anyone have At the Time of Great Battles by Sofia Dzezhinky? Was published in the soviet union and poland, can't find anything in bong-land
>>2918 It was only published in the USSR so I wanted to ask the Russian speakers. However I don't think an English version exists, or will ever exist, since it is quite a long work and very obscure. For now we have this which is based off it though! https://www.redstarpublishers.org/DzerzhinskyBio.pdf

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What's the deal with Nietzsche and his rabid followers? Comrade 06/24/2020 (Wed) 19:33:23 No. 2055 [Reply] [Last]
Is he like an old Jordan Peterson? A Rorschach test that says "water is wet"? Tolstoy wrote that Nietzsche wrote nothing insightful, that had he been alive earlier no one would have paid attention to his writings, that he and his prominence is a sign of intellectual decay. Trotsky wrote that the reason why Nietzsche's followers can be so radically different from each other is because they take what they want from Nietzsche and ignore whatever else is inconvenient for them. When someone points out the terrible things Nietzsche wrote, the response is either a) you're misinterpreting him! or b) his personal views are not reflective of his philosophy! or even c) you can't critique the genius of Nietzsche because he has rejected reason! Does this strike anyone else as eerily similar to Jordan Peterson and his rabid followers?
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>>2055 > a) you're misinterpreting him! or b) his personal views are not reflective of his philosophy! o Isn't that exactly what people on this site do with Marx?
>>2056 >Additionally I think the reason his followers are "so radically different" is because there is both a left wing and right wing interpretation, where the left wing one is that the master-slave dynamic has to be eradicated from society entirely by subverting the master-slave binary (GWF Hegel, Jacques Derrida), and the right wing one is that a certain caste of individuals in society are entitled to primitive domination because they they reject slave morality (Ayn Rand, Adolf Hitler). Is it possible to recognize the relative truth of the master-slave morality dichotomy, at least in feudal, imperial, and capitalist societies, yet still not want to be master nor slave? >>2055 Does anyone know if the concept of bourgeois reality was based on his master morality?
>>2710 Marx doesn’t strawman nearly as much as Nietzsche does. he does do it in German Ideology for example but Capital is pretty straight forward with zero sarcastic remarks. Nietzsche on the other hand is just 90% exaggerations and insults.
>>2711 ubermench is being above the master and slave
>>2726 That's partially the point though. Nietzsche was the OG philosopher badboy, whose entire thought was intended to shakeup an already stuffy academic environment. If you take him completely seriously he didn't even want ideological followers, but instead people who truly really thought on their own. I think people are partially right to see Nietzsche more as establishing a method than an actual philosophy.

Historical Determinism Comrade 08/06/2020 (Thu) 09:00:46 No. 2916 [Reply] [Last]
Why some marxist use historical determinism as a pejorative and how can someone be marxist and reject determinism?
>>2916 Marxists acknowledge that contradictions are inherent to all things in themselves across all times. There is no such thing as an absolute harmony which can be disturbed or reach. Hence dialectics are anti-determinist at a fundamental zero-level.

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