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Dragon Ball Z and Naruto Hate Thread Anonymous Comrade 04/13/2020 (Mon) 17:33:56 No. 3296
These two are supposed to be the Citizen Kane of anime, everyone loves them, yet they are such fucking garbage, literal trash, why are they so fucking bad holy shit. And I watched it when I was a kid and even then I HATED it, I had a friend who also watched DBZ and he hated it too, even we who were just two little dumbass kids could recognize how shit this cartoon was. And dont get me started on Super. Naruto is just as bad if not worse, they somehow contradict their own message every god damn time, and have a little privileged retarded kid as the main character who was born with le epic god powers, and never works a day in his life to achieve anything, its all just handed to him
>Someone is triggered by the /crisis/ thread Naruto is based, fag
Btw Goku was a literal working class saying who beat the shit out of a prince and a landlord, he was a nobody.
>>3298 *Saiyan, fuck
>>3298 Nah he was born better than everyone elsr with OP powers that literally allow him to cheat at any battle.
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>>3296 >never works a day in his life to achieve anything Ok, I won't argue that Naruto is born with special powers and that helps him out. But he does have moments where he works hard, like when he learns the Rasengan. And it's not like the show doesn't glorify hard work itself like with Rock Lee's storyline. But you're myopic in thinking that Naruto's appeal is about the main character. It's about how cool the ~25-40 other ninjas are, their sick character design, their sick ninja abilities, and their ninja society. It's about imagining yourself as a ninja with cool powers who could join this world. I'm just speaking as a person who grew up with Naruto so I have a nostalgic fondness for it, but I don't watch shounen anime anymore, although I do read the BNHA manga sometimes. I agree DBZ is garbage but I really love Dragonball, and that original manga is my favorite manga of all time. There are probably a few shounen anime that are just as good or better, like BHNA, One Piece and FMA. What shounen anime do you think is better than Naruto, OP?
>>3300 No he wasn’t you fucking retard, have you ever even read Dragon Ball? Before Super Saiyan the Saiyans were some of the only aliens whose power set is more or less identical to humans save for the Great Ape form 95% of them couldn’t control and something Goku never had for all of DBZ. Even then, Super Saiyan was only achievable through training and discipline, the only form the Saiyans even have that has nothing to do with training is Super Saiyan God. Goku is a working class hero that beats the shit out of princes, kings, landlords, and gods all the same without breaking a sweat.
>>3301 Jesus fuck, BHNA is classist garbage compared to Naruto, and its world is way less creative and in-depth, plus Deku is far more shallow and boring than Naruto. At least FMA is good. You want good Jap shit then read Akira (huge part of the plot is a class war in Tokyo that the US and USSR gets involved in), Vinland Saga, Ghost in the Shell, Junji Ito, and especially BERSERK
OP is a total faggot to be making such a butthurt thread over 2 anime that ended 5 years ago. >I had a friend who also watched DBZ and he hated it too DBZ has never been called a great anime on its own. Its famous because, like Jojo's Bizarre Adventure its an action Shonen that got popularity for how simple it was. Even its own fans know that things like power-levels and scream-fests are stupid, and that's the point. We know its stupid, we watch it to laugh and have fun with silly over-powered characters before moving on with our lives. >Naruto <contradict their own message Stop watching Plague of Gripes videos without actually watching the actual anime or watching the arguments for them. Naruto does not contradict its own message and it also has multiple messages. >a little privileged retarded kid He is not priviledged. The retcon of the Uzumaki was made almost at the very end during the 4th War arc of Shippuden which is Part II. The 4th Hokage was hinted at being related but that doesn't give him anything at all sine no-one knows or acknowledges him for this. >who was born with le epic god power Oh look yet another newfag who never watched Naruto talking shit. At the beginning of the series Naruto was weak and he had no significant powers. His massive chakra was more of a liability than a help since, unlike an adult he didn't have the control that grows with chakra, instead having it near-instantly. He wasn't a great book-learner but he tried and put effort in, despite, like most children not wanting to do book learning. Kyuubi Mode was achieved in the 4th war arc, and prior to that, any usage of the kyuubi chakra was either accidental and/or resulted in self-harm as well as being a non-factor. Orochimaru totally bodied Naruto in the Forest of Death despite the Kyuubi's chakra. Neji almost beat him. Sage Mode? All training, hampered by the Kyuubi actually. Honestly 90% of the fights in Naruto prior to the 4th War Arc put skill and technique over power... THIS is one of the messages of the series "even a Genin can kill a Kage" Honestly Naruto-haters are far worse than any fans because while the latter can wank Naruto as "great" they do so out of positive feeling, while haters just wallow like pigs in their own dissatisfaction. TL;DR: You're an idiot.
>>3300 >OP powers Right like.... like what? His ki-levels were high because his adoptive grandfather Gohan trained him prior to meeting Bulma and then Roshi. >cheat any battle Which is why he lost so many times? Which is why many wins are due to superior foes getting too cocky? DBZ is shit but to say Goku is born better than everyone else is downright retarded considering that he was considered a really weak saiyan in the beginning and was rivalled for a long time by humans like Tien, Krillin and Yamcha. Sure, those days are past, that's now.... over 2 decades.
>>3303 I would definitely say that all of those shows you listed are decidedly not shounen animes. So I'm not sure what point you're trying to make comparing apples to oranges? BNHA has some cool and unique ideas, some neat characters. And I like Deku because he's a crybaby nerd, which is not the usual protag personality. Maybe the show is a bit classist, but it's not nearly as classist as today's modern world/society.
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>>3304 Addendum: >retarded He's not retarded either. The anime makes him out to be stupider than in the manga because "stupidity gags" and "explaining things to the audience" such as Chakra. In the anime he doesn't know and it is explained to 'him' which is really for the audience. In the Manga this never happens. It's rule of thumb that manga over-rules anime if the latter contradicts it. Naruto does have trouble with book-learning... but he's not stupid. He comes up with unique plans (See pics related) and learns things others fail to. The Kage Bunshin is a forbidden jutsu that he learns within a few hours to the point of mastering it and augmenting his fighting like no others. We don't see any others his age use Kage Bunshin until well into Shippuden due to how hard it is to do. The same goes for the Henge-no-jutsu and his variants, he uses it to full potential, unlike any other in the series. Including becoming a weapon, fusion and gender-bender, as well as pure energy Naruto has used this jutsu to Fuse with Gamabunta, to become a Dog (fighting Kiba), a Weapon (Fuuma Shuriken against Zabuza), and the Rasenshuriken (Pure Chakra) and a woman (Naruko) as well as infiltrate and do information gathering (becoming Sasuke to talk to Sakura about her attitude to him and Sauce). This is really creative for a "retard"
>>3306 > I like Deku because he's a crybaby nerd, which is not the usual protag personality I honestly liked him at first but he got boring after a while because, the rest of the cast changed and he remained fairly flat. Bakugou is also a bad rip-off of Sasuke in many regards as well as a waste of character. he has the potential to be a villainous hero with his attitude towards other people who are weaker and his murderous intent. Honestly it's a waste, what with the diverse powers and characters like Stain and the recently defeated Yakuza. It's why I dropped the series outside of excerpts I like. The story stagnates in many areas and leaves many good ideas to die after presenting them. There are good parts but it just lacks the hook it had in the beginning. Since I enjoy the occasional Cinnamon Roll protagonist I just switched to Mairimashita! Iruma-kun. It's really cheesy and silly, but I find it more enjoyable, since they don't leave loose-ends with their ideas and have the main character change noticeably throughout the story. BNHA is classist, but this is left unaddressed and so less noticeable, compared to OPM which has an ever-developing theme about how heroes defend class-interest first usually.
>>3306 I thought we were talking manga in general tbh, I don’t really like shonen
>>3307 Posting for posterity Fuck the haters https://youtu.be/gH3Sh3hRV-c
>>3296 Can't tell if you're joking. No one on this planet considers either of these shounen anime to be "Citizen Kane" or anything like it. It's just shallow fun for the masses. I do agree with them being garbage if you're really considering them as artworks that aspire to endure. If you really want something "kino" there's only one and it's pic related. Aside from that there are a few anime and manga that are actually good like >>3303 points out. Pretty good bait OP tho, definitely got the discussion going.
>>3296 stfu annoying ass weeb. who tf watches shounen and expects citizen kane? >don't get me started on super Don't have to. It is absolute Kino. And better than OG DB+DBZ combined. DBS is awesome every arc.
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>>3300 hahaha I knew OP was a dumb ass. Goku is a low class warrior. IT is mentioned multiples times in the games, and manga and anime. He was sent away to earth because it is a shithole and was easy to conquer. His own father considered him to be a waste because his "power level" was low. >OP powers that literally allow him to cheat at any battle Yeah that sounds more like broly. Yet this low class dummy attained the highest powers of saiyans repeatedly before the one with royal blood. Goku is literally a prole. He is a radish farmer who fights Gods in his spare time.
>>3313 Based Goku is an inspirational working class hero When the Saiyan prince said he was low class Goku couldn’t give less of a fuck about the dude or his stupid ass title When Frieza called him a monkey he beat his racist ass
>>3314 I've heard toriyama based freiza on landlords, real estate agents or something like that
>>3315 Toriyama writes whatever the fuck pops into his head. He's shown left-leaning ideas and concepts but it's interspersed between "cool-stuff" he thinks of on the spot.
>>3315 Frieza is a space prospector/real estate tycoon
Ngl I love DB and DBZ, but that has more to do with it being one of the very few Anime I watched growing up than the quality of Anime. I think it's the same for most of the people.
Gintama is the only good shonen, the rest are fucking trash except maybe HxH and no /a/utist 8000 character essay can't change this.
>>3316 >He's shown left-leaning ideas I'm interested. Could you tell me which? He's is literally a manchild. >DB is the only good shonen, the rest are fucking trash except maybe Kinikuman and no /a/utist's 8000 character essay can change this fact. Fixed this for you buddy.
>>3320 DB is ok if you're 10 years old I think. It's the same formula of new villain+new power up all the time, even Dora the Explorer has more variety in its episodes kek
>>3319 One piece is a fucking masterpiece you whore. Take it back.
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>>3321 DB is the funniest gag manga. And that is what I like it as. It just so happens to have great fights. Any hot takes like yours or people whining about power levels are of no concern. If I could I would create a reeducation camp for people who watch DB religiously for the storytelling. It's always the gohan nerds who whine about muh plot and characters. Instead of appreciating the glorious poop humor. I rewatched DBZ as an adult and it completely bored me until Majin Buu Saga when it became a lot more comedic. I have only viewed DBS as an adult and I loved the silliness and humor. I'm sure the kids who watch DBS find it more exciting than funny. It is purely an age thing. Regardless, DB is basically Dr.Slump with more fights and less fourth wall breaks. That is the only correct opinion.
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>>3323 Just watch a good comedy anime with the occasional fights instead, like Gintama
>>3296 >These two are supposed to be the Citizen Kane of anime lol, what? Even in the battle shounen world HxH/Devilman is far more deserving of that title, tbh.
>>3325 Or Baki, for that matter.
>>3325 This. In reality they're Fast and Furious of anime, mediocre action shit that should've ended years ago but won't because it brings too much money
>>3326 >Baki No, fuck those over-muscled meaty horse-hooved fucks. There are better boxing anime than fucking Baki >HxH Over-rated napkin drawings that got blown into something "great" because "something-something deconstructiono" >>3327 DBZ, definitely. Naruto, not so much.
>>3328 Berserk and Akira are masterpieces, just admit, admit it you fucking pussy
>>3328 >There are better boxing anime than fucking Baki But Baki is demented and filled with stupid pseudoscientific and martial arts myth bullshit, which is what makes it fun. I'll admit it's a guilty pleasure, though. Also, do people really take HxH that seriously? I just find the world and it's mechanics interesting and like the fact that it's a series of closed stories that'd be nice on their own even if Togashit went and croaked before finishing it. Maybe i'm just too used to /a/ assfuck contrarianism but it's strange to see people defending Naruto on here, of all things
>>3328 >Naruto, not so much. No one care's about naruto's gay ass son other than shotafags.
>>3329 >Berserk Isn’t it terribly made anime? I read manga cause I saw several clips of Anime being pretty terrible CGIfest.
>>3332 I didn’t suggest the anime, I said manga
>>3324 Don't really like meta humor that much. I prefer DB humor. To each his own
>>3296 Boruto's dad's anime FTFY, dipshit
>>3331 >shotafags <Naruto Nigga what >no-one cares Well clearly you do since you're making such candy-ass comments. >>3335 >Boruto's dad Dead meme >>3330 >do people really take HxH that seriously You probably missed the massive hype in /a/ and other anime forums how Hunter x Hunter is so great. Its like Yu Yu Hakusho fans all over again. >>3329 Akira is great. Berserk has good stuff but its obsesses so much over graphic crap that it starts to get tiresome. Regardless I wasn't talking about either. >>3330 >strange to see people defending Naruto Nah it's definitely the /a/-faggotry, it plagues this board too. People are so used to jumping on the "fuck Naruto xddd" train that 90% have never even seen Naruto outside of clips and memes and just parrot the same tired old bullshit. It's got decent story and characters and touching, overarching themes as well as action and ninja-magick.
>>3336 there are no dead memes only deadass anons who are going to get whupped by me
>>3337 Hello stephen
>>3296 Nigga if DBZ and Naruto blast your ass so much then Boruto ought to give you a stroke.
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>>3296 >Citizen Kane of anime lmao
Naruto is Maoist Third Worldist and anyone who denies the class conscious message will go to gulag.
>>3341 Naruto is ideologically conservative but with a message of serving the greater good. It's very Stalinist if anything considering the inherent ideals of "sense of duty" and "shinobi being tools AND people" which is the idea behind "The Will of Fire"
>>3296 >Naruto/DBZ hate thread <not even a single decent meme for the OP pathetic
>>3342 Nah the main villains of Naruto were basically anti imperialist third worlders fighting against first world (kohona) imperialism. It doesn't get more redpilled than that. All the god stuff that got brought in at the end ruined the story.
>>3344 >the bad guys are anti-imperialist >red pilled
>>3345 Might be a polyp. There is no shortage of nazi weebs
>>3345 Actually the whole point of the arc was to make Naruto realize that he and his country had still not come to terms with their imperialist dickery and that if he truly wanted to govern his country he would have to find a better way that took into account the interests of the other nations and peoples. Watching people he love get slaughtered by people who had been abused by his forerunner's military forces impressed upon him the callousness and futility of the power struggle. No, it's not CCCP propaganda but for a fucking anime that's still better than most. >>3346 Holy fuck this place truly did get invaded by ledditors if a term such as "redpill" is immediately associated with /pol/. Stop guzzling the MSNBC libtard.
>>3347 Shut the fuck up polpotato There is a difference between the real REDpill and le redpill used by kekistanis and weebs
>>3344 In what sense Madara and Kaguya were anti-imperialist?
>>3349 Madara realized “Muh liberal Konohagakure” was really just a means for the Senju ruling class to rule over the other clans peacefully rather than through direct warfare; Madara tried resolving it by giving everyone peace, freedom, and abundance; the problem was he was a staunch individualist with bourgeois idealism. Kaguya was an imperialis herself, hence why she’s given no redeeming qualities.
>>3332 The 1997 adaptation is good, 2016 version is trash.
>>3344 >the main villains of Naruto were basically anti imperialist third worlders <A Mercenary who gained immortality through organ replacement <A puppet maker who is obsessed with immortality and creating eternal heart <A man obsessed with blowing things and people up as art <A man who lives to fight strong opponents and cut them down <An immortal sado-masochist who worships a bloody god and loves murder <(Formerly) A genius scientist obsessed with immortality and abilities <A sociopathic murderer who killed his entire family. Later retconned into being a man ordered to do something by the equivalent of the CIA <A living black slime bonded to a tree person who has attempted to manipulate the shinobi world for millenia to bring about the Resurrection of his goddess mother <A boy manipulated by an arrogant bastard in hiding into bringing about a world war to serve his purposes of disillusionment <A decrepit arrogant bastard who wants to be god because "muh humans always fighting so just live an illusion everybudy!" The only real anti-imperialists of the Akatsuki was Nagato and the original Akatsuki, who are 'villainous' reflections of Naruto's ideology who lost their way. Oh and Kaguya, a goddess who ate a god-fruit to bring peace, but out of paranoid delusion she started putting everyone in a trance and making them obedient plant-human slaves. >>3348 >Everyone I dislike is /pol/ Fuck off plebbitor >>8425 What 2016 version? There is no 2016 Berserk in Ba Sing Se. >>3350 >Senju ruling class Which is a delusion equivalent to "muh Jew overlords" Madara is a literal ancap >Madara tried resolving it by giving everyone peace, freedom, and abundance No, he sought to provide the ILLUSION of this because he decided that it can't be done in reality. >Kaguya was an imperialist No, she was essentially corrupted by power after attempting to single-handedly create peace. This is a recurring theme of Naruto m8. >No redeeming qualities ...You need to read into the lines more then. The point wasn't that she was iredeemable, but that Naruto and Sasuke, like with Madara could not physically take her down and force her to see the error of her ways like Madara did when he died.
>>3352 Naruchad Gang rise the FUCK UP
Narunegros are in absolute cope mode/buyers remorse because they wasted a big part of their life’s watching a 1000+ episode shitshow. At least DBZ negros have the excuse that they watched it when they were kids and didn’t know any better
>>3352 >everyone i dislike is reddit Fuck off polyp
>>3355 Go back projector >>3354 >imagine being so mad <buyers remorse LOL an hour of saturday morning cartoons is SUCH a big part. You're just salty.
>>3355 Nah he's right it's always the redditors and newfags who scream /pol/ at everything and who have no idea how to fit in. FFS you're shitting on anime on a fucking imageboard - forget leftypol you don't even understand the culture. I don't like anime either and never watch it but unlike you I participated in this thread and pretended to be a naruto fan because it's all good fun. But you come in and just start shitting on anime in a thread discussing anime. Pretty retarded. We should bring back copious use of racial slurs since that is what protected this board from being stuck with dumbass redditors before. I miss the days when redditors told each other how bad and reactionary/misogynistic/racist etc. Leftypol was so we never had to deal with them.
>>3356 >>3357 Okay, poltards
>>3354 >buyers remorse Most of people watched it on telly growing up bruh.
>>3357 >I miss the days when we more heavily appealed to /pol/ ans engage in white idpol Kill yourself or go back
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>>3360 >>3358 >Muh White pypo! >Muh pol Y'all faggots are as original as soggy white bread >>3357 >We should bring back copious use of racial slurs Kek, that's a thought >it's all good fun Not anymore, or you'll offend our radlib overlords!
>>3361 >ifunny memes >frogposting >kek >fag fag fag Nah I was right, you belong in 4cuckchan. Suck my dick polyp.
>>3362 >he thinks frogposting has never been part of /leftypol/ Yup newfag confirmed. kys
>>3363 >announcing sage >newfig >"kys" LIKE A FUCKING YOUTUBE KIDDIE nice revisionism, 4cucktard
>>3361 Tbh only the virgin white kids like Naruto. Chad black and Hispanic kids staned DB
>>3365 What about chad white kids?
>>3366 Oxymoron
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>>3365 >Chad black and Hispanic kids staned DB Nigga are you serious? Black kids fucking loved Naruto, I remember being that we was in "le ghetto" areas and shit. >>3362 >ifunny Bitch where >frogposting Pepe has been a part of leftypol for a long time you dope <bitching about keke and fags You really are a fag, go back to reddit butthurt lib. >>3366 >>3367 Oh look its the "le anti-white racism is good" gang... idiots who take ironic memes seriously need to leave, cause ethno-nationalist retardation and leftypol are opposite ends of the spectrum
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>>3364 >announcing sage <when there is no sage button and everyone just fills every tab across /leftypol/ to sage posts because Space didn't bother reinstalling the Do Not Bump checkbox. >newfig >muh kys If that is what you're offended by you really are a redditing newfag. Constant swearing isn't necessary, but your level of "no u can't do dat!" is pathetic. Cope or leave.
>>3368 >we can say nigger because that’s based and drives the Redditors away <but if you make fun of wypipo you’re a fucking nazi monster!!!!!
>>3370 >>8541 No it means that you guys are outing yourselves as retarded r/socialism rejects because you can't go two posts without bringing in race and shitting on naughty/bad/reactionary/unapproved words. For the record, no one in this thread even said "nigger" before your post here >>3370 but the mere suggestion of using naughty words immediately brought out your liberal rage against wyte peepol. You guys are imbeciles. Making fun of wyte peepol is fair; anglos are literally a meme, but you came in here with an agenda of tone policing so that ONLY wyte crackas could be made fun of since that's the only approved race to hate on. Fucking imbeciles. None of you belong here.
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>>8556 >>8555 >>8554 >samefagging this desperately Liberalism, not even once.
>>8563 >comrades You're not the comrades of anyonem aside rad-lib knee-jerkers. But hey, keep up the denial, whatever floats your cope-boat.
>>3373 >Bitter cunt is the only one keeping the Naruto thread alive
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>>3374 yeah, this shit thread does need anymore bumps or replies. the truth has already been posted >>3313 and this guy just seems to be interested in projecting for the the replies. >>3373 >n-no you're not my comrade!1 because of cartoons!!111 and white people jokes!1 radlib reeeeeeeeee
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>>3375 >because of cartoons The fuck do cartoons have to do with "muh whitey stoopid" idiocy? >Truth has been posted While the Goku post is pretty good, it also has nothing to do with the past 10 posts of liberal COPE. >projecting I don't think you know what that word means >bumps thanks again! >white people jokes <Hurr talking racist shit about white people = white people jokes and is totally funny This isn't even the same as casual chan speak and the use of 'fag' and 'nigga'. Especially when its just 3 posts in a row jerking the same person off. >I posted a smug Kefla edit, I wun! Brilliant argument >>3374 >Bitter cunt You mean the bitter cunt, samefagging about "whit pypo" nearly a dozen times? Honestly, thanks for bumping this thread, fags!
>>8662 Probably the mods doing their job. Thanks for the bump
>>8675 Are you braindead? 1 - Some redditor got offended about the word redpill and when they got called out they started screeching about "le /pol/" to shout down opposition. 2 - In response to the reddit COPE, people ponder bringing back the old chan-speak of being casual with "faggot", pepe-posting and and other shit that people did for laughs. 3 - Immediately people start posting about "le whitey" unironically parroting black-supremacy memes, because "hurr racism against whites is funy xD", on and on for a dozen cringey posts, like somehting out of a liberal race-pandering twitter. So how does this correlate to "muh racist whitey offended about diversity" you absolute mong? How is deleting shitty posts like that = "muh bad mods" when its both A) a derail of the thread B) completely un-leftist and idiotic Do you like the Black Panther movie too?
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>>3376 >I posted a smug Kefla edit, I wun! Yes.
>>3379 >Zamasu smug derp This is needs a 'Hnnng' edit.
>>3303 >It's another seinenfag can't appreciate shonen episode Hahaha, every time.
LMAO when you remember Vegeta sold his soul to a wizard nutsack to be stronger than Goku and then Goku let him win
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>>3382 Pic related is the perfect reaction image to this revelation
https://archiveofourown.org/works/25263772/chapters/61247113 Funny fic about the Otsutsuki being sent to the One Piece world after being hit with Therapy Fist and Talk no Jutsu. Similar https://www.webnovel.com/book/otsutsuki-in-one-piece_15637811806570705
>>3308 >akugou is also a bad rip-off of Sasuke I take this back and instead replace it with him being more like Vegeta.
All shounen is shit.

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